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The teams are each given 125 wedding dresses to sell in an empty retail space they must design and decorate. For the second time the rolodexes are put to the test and both teams feel the heat as they try to get big sales lined up on short notice. Celebrities on one team have trouble getting friends to pony up money for charity, while some on the other team have trouble just getting out of bed. The fundraising goes down to the wire, putting one team over the top and the other team into the boardroom, where Trump fires another celebrity.


turn2theriiight
I just absolutely love Joan River's laugh.

Tom Green's look = Ferris Bueller's Principal Ed Rooney + beard. "So THAT's how it is in their family..."
Snark Shark
"Wrong elevator!"

What a sad sack that man is.

I just absolutely love Joan River's laugh.

And her smile! Like that lady getting her faced stretched in that movie Brazil!

Dennis was definitely kept for ratings. Trump knows he can always shift blame totally to a PM for not "controlling" a strong personality, then march out the drama with that strong personality the next week.

And Brande continues to impress me greatly. I'm not even surprised anymore at this point.
NotTheBox
Didn't have much of an opinion of Brian before tonight. His little gem of wisdom that women are sitting around waiting for some man to marry us, while men just try to avoid it, killed any appreciation I might have developed for him.

Man, that men's team is awful. The only one I like at all is what's his name, Sandra Bulloch's husband. I live in GA and was a big fan of Herschel in his UGA days but he is a prissy little tattletale. "I don't do what Dennis does, I don't drink." Shet up Herschel. It's not about your superiority as a teetotaler. It's about the fact that y'all just suck!

Love watching the women watch the men get fired.

How the hell is Dennis even still there? If you have somebody that you knew ahead of time could not be led, would not listen to anybody, and was just going to do whatever he feels like- why even bring him on for a team game? Much as the men suck, it's really not fair to them. Dennis could give 2 shits about any of this. Unless the show is "follow the whims of the lazy ass human comic book AKA Dennis Rodman" why even bring him on board? If he wants his own show, he could easily get one. Why did he sign on for this one?
killdozer
I'm tired of these challenges that amount to absolutely nothing but who can call the most rich friends. The actual product is meaningless, any marketing to the public is meaningless, the storefronts are meaningless, the team mamangement is meaningless. It's just about making phone calls, and that's always an advantage to the women beause people are always more willing to give money to women than to men. A stripper like Brande can just keep calling sugar daddies every week and be praised for "leadership," while the guys who don't have any tits to shake are called "losers."

What a bunch of bitches to be yelling out to customers that the men's store "sucks." It's for CHARITY, you twats.

Was anyone else offended by one of the women (I forget which one), telling someone on the phone, "you can just throw the dress away?" What spoiled, pampered brats these people are. A $5000 dress is literally just garbage to them.
Fellaway
Wow. After the way he talked up his mad skillz as a leader (and denigrated others' in comparison) last week and the way he's fought for himself in the BR, Tom's behavior on this week's task and in the BR was inexplicable. It's like he voluntarily rolled over and died from the get-go. Was he that self-deluded about his performance as PM that he didn't have any arguments marshalled on his behalf because he couldn't imagine anyone criticizing him, or did he just not care?

Jesse went up further in my estimation for being the first to say The Donald should fire both Tom and Dennis. And if this had been regular The Apprentice, he probably would have. Dennis hasn't brought anything to the table yet in terms of on task performance, and I keep waiting for these fabled smarts of his to show up in the BR. They weren't in evidence tonight. But, of course, they kept Dennis around probably in hopes of just what we're apparently getting next week: His dramatic "meltdown."

Wonder why they let the ladies see the full BR this week instead of cutting them off before the firing.
MerBear
Right outcome. Tom was worthless. Even as a team member, he's worthless but as Project manager, horrible. It is irritating that Scott was let go instead of Tom last week. And yes, I agree, the EEE was a terrible idea of Scott's. Pretty amazing that Jesse would rather his team lose TWO guys than keep such dead weight. Dennis is just spoiled and entitled. He is flat out not a worker. He's used to being catered to. And I don't consider his basketball playing "work". Some basketball players are hard workers on and off the court; he is not and never was; he's just big and tall. Anyway, I am enjoying this season more than I expected to. Wow, the women can pull in the bucks.
philmphile
Yes, why is Dennis still there? Won't even answer the door? Allergic to dogs? Or is it cats? He was hungover, that's all.
Or had a babe in the room....
bagatelle1
Hated this episode.

The challenge was at odds with itself. They have a limited number of dresses for prospective brides to try on and expect to get top dollar, when the whole set up screamed 'bargain basement prices.' Why have a few ladies show up to buy a dress when the challenge was really about calling your rich friends?

Also, Dennis Rodman doesn't care enough to participate, won't even call in sick... and Trump won't fire him?
Snark Shark
Wonder why they let the ladies see the full BR this week instead of cutting them off before the firing.

Because Trump didn't split the BR into two stages like he normally does. He had no patience for Tom, so he didn't even grant him the chance to pick people to bring back alone.

Yes, why is Dennis still there? Won't even answer the door? Allergic to dogs? Or is it cats? He was hungover, that's all.
Or had a babe in the room....

This is Dennis Rodman. It could have been a farm animal for all we know.
Fellaway
Because Trump didn't split the BR into two stages like he normally does. He had no patience for Tom, so he didn't even grant him the chance to pick people to bring back alone.


Hah! I hadn't even noticed that! Guess I was too hopeful he'd just up and fire both Tom and Dennis.

And, somewhere, Scott Hamilton laughs...
MerBear
bagatelle has a good point. While I enjoy CA, the inherent problem with every single challenge is that it ultimately just boils down to who can call the most rich friends to bring in big bucks. Those rich pals don't care if they're buying the best cupcake or a wedding dress in the best decorated showroom so all the efforts during the actual task don't matter much at all. Game design flaw. Just make 'em work the task. No calling in favors. The only way The Donald gets around that is, it's good for the charity and it's supposedly fun for the viewers to hear that a check from Tim McGraw just came in, etc.

Also just have to add: pretty funny when someone corrected the description of the Russian "model" to "stripper". She looked like a strung out hooker. And you just know she was in Dennis' room when Tom was supposedly knocking on his door....
bagatelle1
Because Trump didn't split the BR into two stages like he normally does. He had no patience for Tom, so he didn't even grant him the chance to pick people to bring back alone.

Trump must have been having a very bad day because to fire Tom without doing the second phase of the boardroom didn't seem justified.

Trump was yelling at Rodman to answer his question and Rodman just sat there mute, chomping on his gum. And that didn't get him fired? Not showing up and he's not fired? Tom was shocked and so am I.
PRgal
I'm convinced that Dennis wasn't fired because he's Dennis. He's the only "real" celebrity on the guys' team, after all.
PMS Babe
I'm so sick of them all catering to Dennis. Tom kept covering for him to George and others and Trump keeps giving him a free pass. It's like they all feel so lucky to be associating with him. Tom should have been prepared to go after him hard if the men lost.

It was so obvious by the editing that the men would lose because we never were shown one woman making a mistake.

Agreed with everyone else who is sick of these call your rich friends tasks. Yawn.

Jesse seems like a snake to me. Yes he's obviously smart, but he is lethal as well.

Big Tom Green fan from way back and sad to see him go.


Edited to add- I wonder if Dennis was even in the room when Tom was supposedly knocking.
tracyKAY
Joan really called it with Clint. He is shady and a snake. Jesse is totally going to win this thing and I hope he is PM next week.
wtrabbit7
Dennis was definitely kept for ratings.

It looks like Dennis will deliver the drama next week. If any other teammate drank during a task, went to a bar later that night, and then missed the project the next day, they would be gone.
I'm not upset to see Tom go, however.

I felt a sort of bad for Khloe's charity. I know every little bit helps, but she could only give $20k. This week and the week before her win the charities received six figure donations. I really dislike the "call your rich friends to make donations" challenges. I thought this wedding dress challenge was ridiculous. If they actually had to sell the dresses to real brides I wonder what the total sales would have been. I can't imagine too many sane women saying to themselves "Buy my wedding dress from Tom Green for charity? Why not?"
NotTheBox
While I enjoy CA, the inherent problem with every single challenge is that it ultimately just boils down to who can call the most rich friends to bring in big bucks. Those rich pals don't care if they're buying the best cupcake or a wedding dress in the best decorated showroom so all the efforts during the actual task don't matter much at all. Game design flaw. Just make 'em work the task. No calling in favors. The only way The Donald gets around that is, it's good for the charity


I completely agree and have always hated the "call your rich friends". While it may be good for the charity, somebody forgot to notice that it makes for really boring tv.

My guess is they can't get the celebs without promising them this "out". The so called celebs probably don't want to be shown on tv being incompetent at basic things that a high schooler working her first fast food job has probably learned. So they think their chance to "shine" is in calling all the other wannabe celebs they do the party circuit with.
bagatelle1
It was so obvious by the editing that the men would lose because we never were shown one woman making a mistake.

Yes, we could see early on, that the women were going to win. They didn't even show half of them participating. We didn't see anyone being lazy or screwing up... we didn't even see Tionne or the golf champion with the big fake teeth, or the Deal or No Deal lady. There was no need to edit them in, since the drama involved the men's team. That's what we needed to know about since that's what the boardroom would involve. So, no suspense at all really.
katesus7
It's just about making phone calls, and that's always an advantage to the women beause people are always more willing to give money to women than to men. A stripper like Brande can just keep calling sugar daddies every week and be praised for "leadership," while the guys who don't have any tits to shake are called "losers."

Well, no, it's about which group has the most rich friends willing to give money. Last year, the men almost always won these kinds of challenges, because they were the one who had the most rich friends willing to give money. It doesn't make any of them whores.
SpencersMommy
Of course Dennis wasn't fired! Just like Lennox Lewis last year, Trump can't fire his handpicked alpha male, even if he doesn't do anything. But the men Trump sees as the wimps, Scott and Tom, are expendable.

The women are doing well, but in fairness all the tasks to date seem really geared to women. Cupcakes, online shoes and accessories, now bridal gowns? Although the bridal gown challenge was designed for Alpha Rodman.

If Dennis was allergic to cats, and somehow found himself in someone's apartment with cats the night before a challenge, drunk, and didn't have the sense to get the hell out of there, he certainly should have been fired. Both Dennis and Tom should have gone.

Loved Tom trying to convince his team he wasn't hung over with a touch of still drunk! I could smell his breath from my sofa!
Lordloveaduck
Didn't they have a wedding gown task on regular Apprentice a couple seasons ago? I was amazed to see absolutely no marketing outreach at all. Last time one of the teams did flyers and somehow went to someplace where brides go, although now I don't remember what that place was exactly. But they got a LOT more people and sold many more dresses, if memory serves. I was shocked that both teams together only sold 43 dresses out of 250 available to them. That is really a terrible showing, despite the money the women earned.

Totally agree with those who said the task was at odds with itself. The women's set-up did not look as bargain-basement as the men's did, it had some nice touches and a pleasant environment with the flowers and the make-up and all, but where they found their customers was an absolute mystery.
Fandomania
Is it just me or is the editing just noticably horrible this year? It's like not only are the "celebs" phoning it in, so are the producers / writers and everyone else associated with it. I literally fell asleep during the show last week, and I'm not even being sarcastic to say that when I woke up, nothing had changed. I can't even remember what the challenge was last week it was so boring.

I'm tired of these challenges that amount to absolutely nothing but who can call the most rich friends. The actual product is meaningless, any marketing to the public is meaningless, the storefronts are meaningless, the team mamangement is meaningless. It's just about making phone calls...

Amen, brother. Did you hear the totals at the end? The women actually sold one less dress than the guys, but raised goobs more money. That makes no sense. I prefer to think that the women won because of their superior skills in decorating the store. At least the dress sizes were typed, not scribbled last-minute. The guys' store looked like ass.

Was anyone else offended by one of the women (I forget which one), telling someone on the phone, "you can just throw the dress away?" What spoiled, pampered brats these people are. A $5000 dress is literally just garbage to them.

Can I get a double, Amen? Yup. Could have at least donated the damn dresses to charity or something. I sorta feel bad that the place that gave them the dresses in the first place got such short shrift. I think the bakery in the cupcake challenge got more airtime.
mooncreek
Wow, Dennis did a masterful job of getting Tom to bow to him. Also, I would have to agree that eye trouble was Dennis' problem: it's very difficult to leave your bed when you're still seeing double.

Shet up, Brian. Just shet up and look pretty. Did he seriously call himself a man's man on a team that still contains two athletes (ok, one likes wearing wedding dresses but there is still Herschel) and a motorcycle builder?

I wish Trump had gone along with Jesse's suggestion. It is obvious that there will have to be a player or two moved from Athena soon anyway so why not get that over with. But then we wouldn't have The Main Event drama for next week in which a 6'8" drunk wacko bullies a 5 foot nothing country loudmouth.
bagatelle1
Didn't they have a wedding gown task on regular Apprentice a couple seasons ago? I was amazed to see absolutely no marketing outreach at all. Last time one of the teams did flyers and somehow went to someplace where brides go, although now I don't remember what that place was exactly. But they got a LOT more people and sold many more dresses, if memory serves. I was shocked that both teams together only sold 43 dresses out of 250 available to them. That is really a terrible showing, despite the money the women earned.

Yes, but in that challenge, it depended on how many dresses were sold. The more dresses sold, the more money. The celebrity apprentices just have to find one sponsor willing to hand over a cheque for fifty thousand and they can win the challenge without even giving away a dress.
Snark Shark
I wonder if Dennis was even in the room when Tom was supposedly knocking.

Sure he was. Just not alone. Either his Russian girl from what was actually probably an "escort service" was still there, or some other woman (or guy, or transvestite, or whatever) he picked up in a bar.

Yes, we could see early on, that the women were going to win. They didn't even show half of them participating. We didn't see anyone being lazy or screwing up... we didn't even see Tionne or the golf champion with the big fake teeth, or the Deal or No Deal lady. There was no need to edit them in, since the drama involved the men's team.

It was also that this was an episode edited down from the bloated 2 hour format every other episode this season will feature.

Shet up, Brian. Just shet up and look pretty. Did he seriously call himself a man's man on a team that still contains two athletes (ok, one likes wearing wedding dresses but there is still Herschel) and a motorcycle builder?

Now we know why the show spent two weeks before this not letting Brian talk AT ALL.

Is it just me or is the editing just noticably horrible this year? It's like not only are the "celebs" phoning it in, so are the producers / writers and everyone else associated with it. I literally fell asleep during the show last week, and I'm not even being sarcastic to say that when I woke up, nothing had changed. I can't even remember what the challenge was last week it was so boring.

Look at it this way. We have two choices so far. Either the episode is bloated up to 2 hours (around 90 minutes of actual airtime) and has lots of filler, or its shaved down to too little (1 hour aka "45 actual minutes of airtime"), like this one was. Either way we lose out.

Same thing on American Idol for many recent seasons too. Too much, or too little. They never get it "just right".
MerBear
The thing I like about Herschel is that he seems to want to do things honorably. He was not a snitch about Dennis drinking -- it was a fact -- and no different of a fact than others that people drag out during the boardroom when they're trying to stand up for themselves. He also looked bothered when Joan and Khloe came over to their shop and just poached customers by saying that the men sucked. I agreed with Herschel on that tactic of the women. Last week, Tom was a frenetic, psuedo-artiste coming up with supposedly edgy ideas -- ones that he KNEW would never be appropriate for a Zappos or any other company campaign. He likes to get a reaction from people by being shocking -- well, that may be fine in his type of shock comedy but it's worthless in this arena and he's nothing but a major time-waster. Herschel is a straight ahead kind of guy -- you work hard and you get the job done -- so Tom and Dennis' methods are the polar opposite of his.
backformore
I'm tired of these challenges that amount to absolutely nothing but who can call the most rich friends. The actual product is meaningless, any marketing to the public is meaningless, the storefronts are meaningless, the team mamangement is meaningless.

Agreed. The show has become ridiculous. I'f you're selling a cupcake for 9 grand, a dress for 10 grand, and the "customers" couldn't care less if they're getting a cupcake or a designer wedding dress, that is a huge flaw. The challenge that they're showing on TV is who can make and market a cupcake, who can set up a store and sell dresses to prospective brides. But the real challenge is who can make phone calls persuading rich friends to drop by with a check.

ETA: What should have happened - Making up flyers - advertising a one-day only sale, for charity. Have two women in bridal gowns hand out the flyers. AND - call wedding planners from the phone book, tell them about this great opportunity for brides, offer them the opportunity to bring over customers, AND to hand their business cards out to other brides-to-be. Call a radio station and ask them to announce the sale. But - that's only if the way to win is to sell to actual wedding dress customers.

Dennis Rodman is a joke - but he's been a joke for a long time. He got drunk, and I would bet that he wasn't even in his room, which is why he didn't answer the door. Tom Green covered for him, which was stupid. I think Tom was a bit star-struck that he got to party with Dennis the night before, so he thought they were BFF's.

What Trump should have done - fire both Tom and Dennis, and bring Scott H back.
Snark Shark
It is obvious that there will have to be a player or two moved from Athena soon anyway so why not get that over with.

I very badly want to see Melissa and Joan split up. Make Melissa TRY to be relevant on her own and see if she actually can be.

Move her over along with Annie to maximize the entertainment value.
Moche
he women actually sold one less dress than the guys, but raised goobs more money. That makes no sense. I prefer to think that the women won because of their superior skills in decorating the store. At least the dress sizes were typed, not scribbled last-minute. The guys' store looked like ass.

I thought he said the guys sold 21 dresses and the women sold 22 but there was a huge difference in totals (65K-ish to over 100K-ish)?

I too am tired of just calling in your big bank friends and the tasks themselves are meaningless. Some of the celebrities who don't have other celeb friends but themselves are famous are at a real disadvantage because they don't have the power roladex (i.e last year's Olympic softball Jennie Fench).

Also, I'm tired of the project manager being the defacto "loser" almost every time if the team goes down. Really look at what people did or did not contribute, all equally. It takes the fun out of it.
superpole2000
This show is great when results are not based on money/donations. It's a wonderful depiction of project management and what can go right/wrong. It's entertaining, enlightening, and addictive. Once the donations are involved, the show becomes farcical, frustrating, annoying, useless, and a waste of my time. I will refuse to watch any further episode where these donations decide the outcome.

I've never seen such a two-faced show where I know within the first couple minutes whether I can watch the rest of the hour or not.
jaycbird1
What has been really pissing me off about the men, and in this case, Mr. Rodman, is that they are showing absolutely no respect for the charities they are "representing". Neither Dice Clay or Green even MENTIONED who they were playing for during their taxi moments! And this week, Rodman seems intent on proving that he is entitled to just take up space.

What. A. Moron.
Vermicious Knid
Dennis bails on the challenge, gives a bullshit excuse, but Tom goes home. Aaaargh! And it sucks that in a non-monetary task the charity only gets 20K. One of the wedding challenges in past seasons used an e-mail blast from Theknot.com to contact thousands of people. What exactly were Dennis and Herschel doing when they were wandering around? I hope they show more of that in the 2 hour version, and the truth about what Dennis was up to the next morning.
SunShine Gal
So where were Tom's creative brain-storming ideas for this challenge? When he's actually got to produce for real, he shows up late and drunk. He's got no ideas at all. Can't manage to get Dennis to show and put a dress on or something. His leadership basically boiled down to telling his team to bring in money. Well, DUH! I very much loved that Tom got his ass verbally kicked all around the boardroom and in front of ALL the men's team and women's. I'm not at all sorry it happened to Tom.

I found it interesting that QVC just gave $35,000 to Joan. They fired so many people last year from their company yet are throwing around that kind of money.

I live in GA and was a big fan of Herschel in his UGA days but he is a prissy little tattletale. "I don't do what Dennis does, I don't drink." Shet up Herschel. It's not about your superiority as a teetotaler.

The thing I like about Herschel is that he seems to want to do things honorably. He was not a snitch about Dennis drinking -- it was a fact -- and no different of a fact than others that people drag out during the boardroom when they're trying to stand up for themselves.

Exactly. Every week Trump asks members of the losing team to tell him who the weak members of the team are. He has to ask several times before someone says anything. They all look like whimps for not speaking up. Tonight Donald called specifically on Herschel who gave his honest opinion. There's nothing tattletale about it. His insight matched the footage we saw tonight so he was telling the truth. Also, just because Herschel doesn't drink doesn't mean he was thinking himself superior to anyone. He's not trying to force his clean living down anyone's throats. He's living the way he wants to live... if others feel guilty that they aren't living that way that's their problem.

Joan really called it with Clint. He is shady and a snake.

I still haven't seen this come true. He thinks that both Tom and Dennis should go. He was right!

During the cupcake challenge Dennis shows up very late and doesn't even get out of the catering van to participate in the challenge. I didn't think he could do any less in a task than that. Until tonight. Wow. Dennis doesn't even show up at all. To Trump's face, he says he wouldn't even get up to open the door if it were Michael Jordan or Phil Jackson knocking. Certainly he wouldn't bother to get up and answer the door if it were Trump. How does that make you feel now, DT? Congratulations, Dennis made you look like a fool on your own show.
CitizenKang
I was ok with the cupcake challenge being about rich donors- since that was the first task and we didn't know that the teams were so imbalanced. This wedding challenge showed that the women just have many more rich friends they can call and that made this episode boring. I wish the dresses had set prices this time, and varying prices, so that we could see that actual sales and skill were involved in selling off the dresses. This task was just poorly designed.

I found it interesting that QVC just gave $35,000 to Joan.

I think there is something unfair about this. It should at least be a singular person writing a check.

I defended Tom last week, but I was really disappointed in his effort this week.
Durazo
I totally agree that it's BORING to watch the players simply calling their rich friends to donate.

Trump not firing Rodman was transparent and pathetic. Tom may be an obnoxious twat, but getting that terrible men's team to raise $63,000 was pretty damn good.
SunShine Gal
I re-watched the episode and the QVC check was for $25,000. I couldn't go back and edit because it was quoted.
Bryce Smith
This episode was clearly focused more on Tom's leadership, or lack thereof, and Dennis's uselessness to the team more than anything else.

I still throw in my support behind the women of Athena and think one of them could and should win.
Canaduck
Unless I dozed off, there was a massive hole in this episode that went unexplained. I only recall seeing Annie in action once, on the phone, during this task yet when Trump asked Brande who the most valuable team member was, Brande choked out Annie's name along with Melissa's. I'm guessing that Annie's donors were the reason that Athena surpassed the $100K mark. Odd that she received short shrift in the editing.

IMO, Dennis was totally in bed with the hooker when Tom came knocking.
angelsoulnme
I agree with everything all of my fellow posters have said. I have to say that I was bored last night, the challenges are boring, the same ole set up is boring, the whole show is getting boring and it's only the 3rd episode!

As a PM in real life, yes I am ultimately responsible for what happens on the project and my team, but occasionally, you have a mistake made by one of the team mates that you either didnt know about or was out of your control.

Dennis should have been fired last night. He obviously does not care, and has no plans on really being there for his team. He is such a jerk.

I was also thinking that instead of the teams being about to call up their rich friends DURING the challenge, they should not be allowed to gather any outside DONATIONS. Then whoever wins will win, and if you are the winning project manager you can have your team call their friends and ask for donations then. I'm sure that Tim McGraw would give the same amount of money to the said charity if it was after the win.

If they dont do something to change up the show, I'm probably going to stop watching it.
pinkluxe1
I echo the sentiments of everyone who is annoyed with these "call your rich friends" challenges. But I think its going to come back to to bite them in the ass when they all run out of rich friends to call. I mean its not like most of these people are huge stars anymore and I think they have but so many wealthy friends they can call and expect money from at the drop of a dime. We're just three episodes in I think they've mostly exhausted their big money donors, and they might have to actually rely on WORK to make it through the rest of the challenges. I hope that happens soon because I was bored to tears with this episode. I felt like there was nothing going on.

I die laughing whenever someone types "SHET UP" on the board.

Also, I'm tired of the project manager being the defacto "loser" almost every time if the team goes down. Really look at what people did or did not contribute, all equally. It takes the fun out of it.


ITA. Its made worse by the fact that Donald assures us of that every single week.

I was on Team Tom last week, but I think he definitely needed to go this week. He really didn't do ANYTHING except show up, and late at that. I really didn't like the way Donald fired Tom, though. Donald had the same dismissive attitude toward Tom as Scott did. Donald always talks about how much he respects people when he fires them, but I think he was actually rude to Tom because he never expected him to be good anyway. He could have been a little more diplomatic.

On a shallow note, a lot of people have talked about not being able to look at Joan's overstretched face, but I have more trouble looking at Dennis. He just looks so...dirty. And his crusty, extra pink lips just look gross. I really can't even listen to him talk. He needs some serious speech therapy.
Nascar
Didn't they have a wedding gown task on regular Apprentice a couple seasons ago? I was amazed to see absolutely no marketing outreach at all. Last time one of the teams did flyers and somehow went to someplace where brides go, although now I don't remember what that place was exactly. But they got a LOT more people and sold many more dresses, if memory serves. I was shocked that both teams together only sold 43 dresses out of 250 available to them. That is really a terrible showing, despite the money the women earned.


That was in season 2 when Kelly Perdew was the winning PM for the task but Sandy Ferreira, who ran a bridal salon, did all the work. She used the internet to attract customers, but as others have mentioned, the task or customers don't really matter in Celebrity Apprentice.
Serpentine2007
Anyone notice Dennis seemed as shocked as we were that he wasn't fired also? He was like "whoa, so that's it, we're done?" when Trump dismissed them.
Decormaven
What are we learning about business from this show? In past seasons, at least the CA hamsters pretended to garner a little insight about a particular industry. Now it's just Celebrity Rolodex.
I think the bakery in the cupcake challenge got more airtime. Fandomania
The bridal gown company must not have ponied up enough cash, or Melania Trump was a silent investor at the bakery.
jersey guy 87
While Dennis not showing up should have been grounds for being fired it was Tom (the PM) who went out drinking with Dennis the night before. I have to assume the production schedule didn't allow for a dual firing last night.

I found it interesting that QVC just gave $35,000 to Joan. They fired so many people last year from their company yet are throwing around that kind of money.


While $35K (or $25K which was the actual amount) might be a lot of money to most individuals to a company like QVC it's not very much money at all. It doesn't even cover the cost of one employee and, because it's a charitable donation, it lowers their corporate income tax.

Horrible task, the men are a joke. They showed virtually none of the women so there was no way one of them were going home. Other than Clint and Herschel none of the men apparently called in any favors.
MariaArg
Also, I'm tired of the project manager being the defacto "loser" almost every time if the team goes down. Really look at what people did or did not contribute, all equally. It takes the fun out of it.


In this case, I think this was the right call. Tom Green, as much as I defended him last week, was awful.

Also, I hate Brian McKnight. He's a "MAN man". Disgusting.

I think the problem was that wedding gowns are not exactly an impulse buy. Women don't go around on the lookout for a good price on a dress to pop out of nowhere, just in case they decide to get married in the near future. So there was really no way other than calling friends with money.
ParadiseFound
I thought Dennis should have been fired last night. He's not taken this seriously since day 1 and frankly, I am shocked and disappointed in Trump. I know Trump thinks that Dennis will bring ratings, but I think Tom is much funnier in realtion to the other contestants and actually cares a bit more than Dennis. Although last night, Tom was horrible! Really unfortunate. I was pulling for Tom to turn it around, especially on those smug asses like Clint Black, Hershal Walker, & Brian McKnight. Jesse James is my favorite right now because he just keeps his mouth shut!

I love love love Joan Rivers. She just makes this show for me. She is so funny. I hope she wins this whole thing.
JanGator
I'm still waiting for evidence that Clint Black is such a snake. Aside for some petty arguing/interrupting last week, I have yet to see what the other celebrities are talking about. Maybe we'll get an answer about that next week since Rodman's meltdown seems to revolve around Clint. Then again, Rodman could get pissed at Mother Teresa so I take it with a grain of salt.

Speaking of Rodman, he should have been gone along with Tom Green. And if they had to keep it to one firing due to production schedule, Green should have stayed. He wasn't good this week, but he can at least be useful whereas Rodman adds virtually nothing to the team.

Hee - Celebrity Rolodex. Good one, Decormaven!
bumblehare74
Didn't have much of an opinion of Brian before tonight. His little gem of wisdom that women are sitting around waiting for some man to marry us, while men just try to avoid it, killed any appreciation I might have developed for him.


He was clearly joking. What he said was mild IMO, compared to the garbage that spills out of Joan Rivers mouth just about every time she opens it. Wasn't Joan the one that asked someone about their sexuality over the phone last week?


What a bunch of bitches to be yelling out to customers that the men's store "sucks." It's for CHARITY, you twats.

Was anyone else offended by one of the women (I forget which one), telling someone on the phone, "you can just throw the dress away?" What spoiled, pampered brats these people are. A $5000 dress is literally just garbage to them.


The women were absolutely classless. I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, Trump and his minions didn't call them on their behavior. The company that provided the wedding dresses can't be too happy.

Joan really called it with Clint. He is shady and a snake. Jesse is totally going to win this thing and I hope he is PM next week.


Based on what? Trash mouthed Joan Rivers? She was working with her group. How the hell does she know what is going on with the men when they are not in the boardroom? She probably hates black hats. That is how they used to tell who the bad guys were in movies in the olden days.

The women are doing well, but in fairness all the tasks to date seem really geared to women. Cupcakes, online shoes and accessories, now bridal gowns? Although the bridal gown challenge was designed for Alpha Rodman.


Not only are these tasks geared towards women, the women have the advantage of going up against a very poorly constructed men's team. Is this the best men's team TPTB could put together? Seriously?
shelley1005
SpencersMommy: The women are doing well, but in fairness all the tasks to date seem really geared to women. Cupcakes, online shoes and accessories, now bridal gowns? Although the bridal gown challenge was designed for Alpha Rodman.


I might have to turn in my feminist card, but I totally agree...I think that the tasks so far have been skewed towards the ladies. First task...making and selling cupcakes. Hmm, who might have more experience baking cupcakes? Probably the ladies. The second task was the least biased of the bunch...but it was still a website that sells women's clothing, shoes, etc. I am sure all of the women have heard of zappos.com...and many of the men probably never have. And the third challenge...selling wedding dressing to women. Also seems like something the women would have more experience with...and feel more comfortable doing. I'd love to see some challenges that are more stereotypically male centered.

Of course that isn't why the men lost. They lost because they suck. They don't seem to have a clear vision or plan when they take on a task. The only one who seems spot on each and every week...is Jesse James. Plus, the men just don't seem as skilled at asking their friends for money as the women. And we know that deep down...that is what almost all the competitions will be about.

I've been a supporter of both Tom and Dennis in previous episodes...but in last night's episode, I could no longer stand in their corner. They did nothing to help their team...and did more to hurt it. Dennis was being Dennis. He decided it was more important to party and get with a Russian stripper...than to help his team. Honestly...I am surprised. I was a Rodman fan back in his Bulls days and the guy was always strange and did things his own way, but his work ethic was pretty gosh darn good. His time was his time...but when it came to the game, he always showed up. I just think Dennis doesn't care. He cared about basketball...CA...not so much.

If Dennis had been playing ball...pun intended...I would have tried to get him on some early morning talk shows...wearing the wedding dress...talking up the event. Or even just putting the word out using him.

PMSBabe: Edited to add- I wonder if Dennis was even in the room when Tom was supposedly knocking.


I wonder if Tom ever actually knocked on the door. Me thinks he didn't...and just said he did. Or maybe he did and Dennis just ignored the knocking and pounding for 20 minutes. Which one is more likely?

Tom completely bit the big one on this challenge. He barely led the team and seemed so aloof and arrogant while doing it. Plus, he seemed more interesting in being Dennis Rodman's friend and wingman than winning the task. I also wonder why he didn't raise any money on his own. He was all over calling his contact list in the first task...and he didn't do that at all in this task. I can't believe his contact list has already dried up.

Also...Tom was willing to wear the dress to be a fool with his teammates, why not during the challenge? It would have brought attention to the men's room. But then again...the foot traffic doesn't win the race, it's the big money. I actually think that is too bad because it doesn't reward good planning...just good contacts.

Props to Hershel and Clint...they worked their tails off in the challenge and it's too bad it wasn't rewarded. And I got the impression from Clint that he might not have all that many numbers in the rolodex to call, so hopefully he didn't use all the calls he had.

I was sad to see Tom go...since I think he had a lot of potential, but unfortunately he chose not to show it when he was the PM...and he let his man crush on Dennis effect his performance.
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