Discuss the show's awards, nominations, and other recognition.

FYI: Voting for the K-site awards has begun. First Up: Best Actor.

Okay... the award for stupidest and most pretentious actress on a series goes to Erica Durance for this little maneuver, which I first learned about at ONTD;

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/24597395.html
The comments here are equally priceless;
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheyd...859#t2989651859

For those who can't read it... the jist is that Ms. Erica Durance has nominited herself in the role of Lois Lane for an Emmy in the category of Best Female LEAD in a Dramatic Series. Other contenders include; Mary McDonnell, Holly Hunter, Glenn Close, and Kyra Sedgwick.

Even leaving aside the talent issue... clearly Ms. Durance has gone off her medication because, even to my limited understanding, I'm pretty sure that appearing in 12 out of 20 episodes does NOT make you the female lead.

Especially not when you also have;

1. Kristin Kruek who's actually billed as the female lead.
2. Allison Mack who actually did appear in all the episodes and had more screentime than anyone except Tom Welling.
3. Laura Vandervoot who was in just as many episodes as Ms. Durance, but had twice the screen time.

The story also points out that even Lindsey Lohan was smart enough to pull her name from consideration because the role she was nominated for "didn't fit the category."

Someone needs to stage an intervention with ED and her shameless self-pimping. It doesn't just make HER look like an idiot, it's also misrepresenting the series to the public FOR HER OWN PERSONAL GAIN.

You know... if I were a mid-level saleman for a corporation and tried to represented myself as the executive vice president of sales and marketing in order to get something for MYSELF... I'd get my ass fired in a heartbeat. Just something that I think TPTB at the CW and Smallville should possibly think about in terms of Durance's future.

I agree, Chris. ED as lead?! She's the t&a/comic relief/B-C plot in 12-13 episodes. Misrepresentation is an understatement!

LMAO.

Okay, then ED, the 12-13 episode actress has made herself into the lead actress of the show - I wonder what the producers have to say about this stunt - while happily ignoring that last season, the actual lead actress was KK. Wow, she's got no shame. She thinks she's now the lead of the show because her character has the right name? Give me a break *rolls eyes*

Is LV going to nominate herself next?

Maybe AA would like a leading man nomination?

No, wait, wait, there's always Gina. Doesn't she deserve a best supporting actress nomination too?

What good can come of this besides people ROF laughing their asses off at her presumption? Maybe because AM officially has lead status and ED's pissed?



Lordy, that does reflect on the series as a whole doesn't it? She *WANTS* it to be the LnC show so much, that she's trying to make it seem like it is already with a nomination for last season. Is she trying to force the show's hand in getting more episodes or something? Even if AM isn't lead next season, and they opt to keep KK there (for some god awful reason ie make people think the show is fine despite the actors jumping ship) how does she get off on casting herself as the female lead of the show?

Wow. Diva much, ED?

This entire scheme of Erica Durance's was ridiculous and shameless self-promotion and I think it backfired. The article singled her out, with a picture, even above that terrible, terrible wooden actress from the Bionic Woman as a joke nomination and compared her winning for lead actress to Zac Effron winning for a miniseries/musical win. It's equally as ridiculous. I love most of the cast, but I don't think any of them has done the work of a Kyra Sedgewick or of a Glenn Close to begin with. It seems ridiculous to me that she would put her name in at all, considering the scores of shows from SHowtime, HBO, and broadcast, and cable that are up for noms as well.

Then, when you think about how she has the LEAST screentime of any of the actresses, even poor LV, who won't even be on in season eight, it's really just insulting. She's basically putting herself ahead of both Allison Mack, who worked the most this year, and Kristin Kreuk, who's BILLED as the lead. Not to mention that both girls have been full-time regulars for SEVEN years. They've both done almost three times the episodes Durance has. How, in what universe, is the girl with the least screentime, only 12/20 episodes, and a storyline about having sex with her boss on his desk going to be even considered seriously for an Emmy nomination?

Can you see her winning and gushing over Mary Louise Parker or Gennifer Goodwin?

Yeah, I thought not.

That's why I can't fathom how she did this - the show saw KK as the lead last season, NOT ED. The network saw it that way.

Seriously, her ego makes me think she's the resident Diva on set.

On the shallow side, that is a lovely picture.

On the not-so-shallow side, is there any possibility that the show did this? Or, even the network? I'm sure I remember Hilarie Burton being submitted for her work on One Tree Hill a year or two ago, and it being made very clear that it was the network submitting it, not her submitting herself. (Ms. Burton seems to be a nice person, but she is not Emmy caliber.) Maybe this is the CW or the new showrunners trying to pimp out Erica Durance, and not so much Erica Durance being completely delusional.

With that much airbrushing I'd hope so.


Doubtful. The whole article was on how these people specificially nominated THEMSELVES for those categories.

This was definitely an ED stunt of some kind. She obviously wanted publicity... but I don't think Diva Durance quite wanted THIS kind.

I believe Erica Durance would have to sign off on a submission, so nobody can submit something for someone else.

I'm sure networks encourage folks to enter, but I don't believe they do it for the actors/actresses.

Having said that, I think it's a complete joke that ED would have nominated herself in the category that Sally Field won in last year. A category in which she would compete with Kyra Sedgwick and Holly Hunter (the only actresses who could be a lead in only 13 episodes because their shows typically only run 13 episodes, therefore, having them in every episode).

I'm sorry, but Sally, Holly, and Kyra > Durance...by SO much.

If she had nominated herself for Best Supporting, I could understand that. Or, heck, even nominated herself for that movie she did on Lifetime for the TV movie category. I could see that as well. But, Lead Actress in a Dramatic series? That's completely wrong on so many levels.

I can appreciate her effort to have high hopes and lofty goals, but you still have to be realistic about certain things. This really speaks to me on how she views herself and her role and that does her no favors in my mind. She sees herself above the actress who is actually been known as the female lead (KK) and above the one who works the most and has the most connections to the story (AM).

I could understand her submission if she had sparked interest from the entertainment industry and people were talking about her performance, but it just seems like an attempt to get her name on the ballot with bigger names, just so she can get noticed. Maybe she meant to do that or maybe she didn't, but that's how it comes across. It makes me laugh, but at the same time, it bothers me, immensely.

WOW. That is so RUDE and presumptuous of ED. KK was the lead actress of S7. She is billed as the lead. That is her role. And AM was the only actress to be in all the episodes and she had the most screentime which means she put in the most work on the show, while ED was only in 12 episodes. And LV had more screen time. If she wanted to submit her name for her work in S7 which is ridiculous since she has no talent, it should have at least been in the SUPPORTING actress category. At least that would have been accurate. She is not a lead. Not in billing, not in screen time. It's like she is trying to step over the women who have the billing and the screen time to have a rightful claim on that category.

That is shockingly rude and tacky. Seriously.

Whoa. I don't have a problem with anyone from this show submitting themselves for an Emmy because that's his/her right. However, Erica submitting herself as lead is just such a crock of bullshit. Who decided that was accurate? Not only that, but as savingpeople pointed out, she's in a category with Kyra and Sally. There's not a shot in hell she'll get a nomination. On another note...

I've always wondered this with any of the CW or WB shows, is it really the network or the actors that is the problem? Because to me, a good actor is a good actor no matter what show or network he or she is on. I'm not necessarily saying that any particular person or show really needs or needed to win an Emmy, but if someone turns in a good performance on a CW/WB show, are they any less qualified than someone from cable or the other four major networks?

I don't really know if it was ED's people specifically who would do that; it boggles how anyone would consider her the lead actress, and I'm saying that as someone who actually *likes* Erica. If anyone is the lead actress, it'd be Kristin, and even her role was diminished last year. Supporting actress, then yeah, go for it.

But this is the same scheme that nominated almost everyone from Bionic Woman which was one of the worst series I've ever had the displeasure of writing about. (Sorry about that - I thought it'd be good!) That show was embarrassing, and not even the good kind of bad. Sigh.

I also have to say, as good as some of the technical production of Smallville is (no one would argue it's a beautiful show), being on a netlet I don't really see it getting recognition. "Once More With Feeling" and "Hush" from Buffy didn't get Emmys as far as I know, even though both were excellent. The only exception I'd make to that comment is that I was and am surprised that Christopher Reeve received no nomination for his guest shot on "Rosetta." "Legacy" would've been a good tribute Emmy too, but I don't think that episode as a whole was as good as "Rosetta" was.

ETA: Just looked at some of these horrible nominations. One that was made fun of I could get behind though: Melissa Joan Hart was really good on SVU in her episode with [strike]Beaver[/strike] [strike]Kid Flash[/strike] [strike]Impulse[/strike] Kyle Gallner.

Aren't submissions for a single performance/episode? Maybe it's because ED had a leading role in the specific episode she submitted. For instance if AM wanted to enter her Sleeper performance wouldn't it seem strange to do so as a supporting actress? Likewise even though KK is credited as the female lead what if the work she was most proud of was in Bizarro or Arctic? Would KK enter as a lead even though her role in the submitted episode was clearly supporting?

I think performers are asked to enter based on the status of role they play over the course of the year but the decision is ultimately up to the entrant. Maybe that's because they know there are times a lead's meatiest performance of the year happens to be in a supporting role and vice versa.

I don't know. I guess I'd be willing to listen to ED's reasoning before passing judgement on the decision.

The actors nominate themselves. No one else can submit their forms without their consent. It would seem no one else from SV decided to submit themselves. It is the actors who decide which category to submit themselves in whether it is supporting or lead. The cast of "Friends" jointly agreed to submit themselves for nominations in the supporting category. Early on, Monica/Courtney Cox was considered the lead as she was cast that way, but pretty quickly she decided it was best for them all to compete in the supporting categories because they were an ensemble so she dropped her own status down from lead to supporting voluntarily so no one's feelings would be wounded by not being on equal footing with their co-stars. Very smart and classy move on her part.

Katherine Heigl has gotten a lot of criticism because she didn't submit herself for Emmy consideration and the media noticed and asked her why and she claimed the material she was given last year wasn't worthy of Emmy consideration. Lindsay Lohan's agent said they didn't submit her brief guest star role on Ugly Betty for consideration because they felt it was too brief to be worthy of consideration. Now, sometimes actors have it in their contracts that the producers have to do an award campaign for them for their roles (whether it be Emmy or Oscar) but that is usually only for the very top tier actors. It is a perk because they get publicity focused on just them paid for by someone else. Sometimes it backfires on them because the producers live up to their contractual obligations to do Oscar campaigns for roles no matter how the film ended up which sometimes means the ads only serve to remind people of the actor's bad performance.

Most of us would not have had any idea ED did this if ONTD hadn't reported it to mock the actors who were presumptuous enough to think they deserved consideration. Only people in the media who see the whole nominee list of 1063 people and the people who narrow down the nominees would have known but for ONTD wanting to ridicule people about it.

I just think that if it were the guys playing Jimmy and Ollie had nominated themselves for lead actor of a dramatic series, they would also be criticized even if they were a big part of the particular episode submitted. There would be tongue-clicking about whether the guy had taken GAville talk a bit too seriously.

Agreed. If AA submitted himself as a lead a lot of people would be WTF?
But if he were submitting his twenty minute performance in Sleeper should it be categorized as a supporting role? It seemed he was clearly the lead in that episode.

See, to me "lead" really goes from where they stand in the opening credits especially... even in GreenArrowville, Justin was only a guest star, for example. On that same note, for "Sleeper" Tom is still the lead of the show, even if his screen time is limited.

The whole process seems silly to me.

The category is for lead actress of a series. The choice of a single episode is the one that shows off the actress' chops the best, IMO, but it's still for the actress that's considered the lead as per the show and the network. All the other entrants are on for full seasons, even if they are crappy shows.

If there were awards for a single episode then it's another story.

The nom. I could get behind was for the kid who plays Micah from "Heroes". He's awesome - such gravitas!

(I hope MR submitted "Descent", even though the Emmys always over look the genre shows.)

ED as lead actress is so out there. Next up, Sue Denim travels to Mars on a bicycle - yeah, it could happen.. (My mind can't get around this one, and that's saying something.)

I agree on MR and Descent. That's a tour de force, but I believe ED is the only cast member who submitted for consideration.

On LJ, I posted about this topic and someone PM'd me back why speculate when you can find out the deal with a phone call like they did. They called the Emmy/Academy of Television Arts and Sciences folks to find out who submitted her application, "got transferred through a number of very pleasant people to someone who very nicely looked up her application for me. I think she was looking at a hand-filled form because she couldn't quite make out the last name, of her manager, but quite easily made out the official name of his management company." (I'm editing out unrelated info)

"Also, this is curious, because I thought people who were submitting their names would *have* to submit an episode for consideration - but she hasn't at this stage. She doesn't have to unless she gets selected for the next round of 10 nominees."

I shared this info with someone else on lj and they told me ED's manager is her brother-in-law. I don't know if that is true or not.

But, ED didn't submit an episode in particular so that wasn't the reason why she chose to submit herself in the lead category. And it was ED's manager (possibly her brother-in-law?) who signed off on the form.

Just thought I'd share that info.



The ONTD entry has a link to a mega pdf with the 1063 nominees. I didn't open it, but someone else did and said ED was the only actor to submit their name.

Massena1 thanks for sharing this information.

The K-Site awards are currently on "best actress." Just thought I'd let y'all know.

Isn't she supposed to become the series' lead actress, next season?

1. That's not confirmed. No news yet of upping her commitment.
2. It's still jumping the gun. Better done if/when she gets a full season.
3. If AA did it, people would snark on his ass for thinking that he's TW.

Unless we hear ED's episode count has been increased (and according to Craig, she is still at the usual 13 with an option for more, the same as the past four seasons), it seems premature to say she is the lead actress for season eight.

OTOH, I don't think ED could be called the lead actress for season seven, in terms of billing (KK) or episode count / screen time (AM). YMMV.The sad thing is AA has more screen time that ED this season. Yet another reason to hate Sleeper.

Yikes. ED went and made herself a lead?

Can she do that? I mean, how can she do that?

So, everyone who sees that ballot, with "lead actress" next to her name is going to think that she to a large extent (since TW and Lex are the male leads) contributed to the show's success, when in actuality she had less screentime and episodes than the female lead in KK and the female lead in screentime, AM?

I think that's a pretty terrible thing to do in the end. The other actresses in that category like Sally Field and Glenn Close to name a few all work the 22 episodes as the "leads" in a show. For ED to just shove her name in there for a season that had someone else billed as the lead? *shakes head*

Are there any other actresses in that category with an episode count like hers who've done things like this? Or all they all 22 episode leads? Can I see that list anywhere?

Anyway, now I fervently DONOT want to see her as the lead next season. For me, I can't think of anything that would turn me off more than seeing her get a lead spot when she's doing things like this. And more importantly, she's definitely the least talented actress on that cast.

I was incredibly dissapointed when I found out that the cast of Buffy really didn't get on in real life. It took away so much from the series for me. That ED could do something like this when KK is the billed lead and AM probably for next season? It's that same sort of feeling. Just sheer disappointment.

ETA: I just wanted to add that if this is the way people do things in Hollywood, then I was better off not knowing, I think. My opinion is the stupid Emmys need an overhaul if they can allow things like this, but you expect something from the actors and actresses themselves to play by the rules, so to speak. Even if they are unwritten rules of: don't enter in a category which your role doesn't fit. Or maybe I'm too much of a regualr person to expect that.

I just wonder which episode(s) she could have conceivably submitted that might even make her look like a lead. Bizarro? Siren? Apocalypse? IIRC, most, if not all, episodes from last season that featured ED in an important role, had Chloe in a far more important role. I don't think Emmy watchers will miss that.

It was a really bonehead move on the part of ED or ED's people.

I don't even have a problem with a lesser actress from a lesser show putting an actress they know won't win up against Glenn Close or Sally Field. I mean you have to nominate someone in the dramatic lead category. But that person better damn well be the lead.

Upthread, Massena mentioned that someone found out that she didn't submit any episode at all.

So, then why do this? I mean, it's not like SV is going to get looked at seriously even if KK had brilliant performances all season and sent her name and an episode in (especially when actors from shows like BSG don't get considered). Better shows like Buffy never did in their prime, why would ED think she would make the cut?

In the end, she just gets her name as lead actress on a ballot thingy right? Or is there something else that happens in this Emmy process before people vote? Does anyone know?



Me either - I mean, it's still cool being nominated for an Emmy, IMO. But yeah, she's got to be the lead of the show, for goodness sakes.

Not that anyone has announced, and in fact Craig has said specifically she's still signed for the usual number of episodes, which I should think would preclude her being considered the lead. At any rate, this is the contest for last season, so what might happen next season is not relevant.



Massena's post above indicated she didn't have to submit an episode at this stage. One assumes she had one in mind if she got any further in the process, though. My guess would be "Apocalypse," which is reminiscent of the Superman mythos and could possibly fool people into thinking her character is the typical Lois of Superman stories, and that thus she was the female lead.



Word. It made her look foolish-- doesn't she know she isn't playing the lead? Hasn't she noticed she isn't in all the episodes? If she is aware of these things, then why did she do it? Submitting in the supporting actress category would have made sense (although, setting aside any discussion of acting, she doesn't have much chance on an aging show on a netlet, I don't think), but submitting in the lead actress category just looks silly.

Hm. And to think I already had no love for ED the actress and have totally despised the Nois... :\

Wow....just Wow. Erica Durance thinks she's a fucking lead on Smallville. Since when? She's been a secondary character on this show since she first appeared three years ago and as of seven seven this has not changed. Regardless if she did it herself or if she's going along with it by encouragement of her management the decision is still ultimately hers. I honestly don't think it's the latter because ED has never been very shy about self promotion. As someone who is trying to break into the biz myself I understand that self promotion is required if you want to make it in this business. Normally I don't have too many qualms with actors/actresses who go out there and support their shit, but there is a difference between honest self promotion and fabrication. What ED is doing her is just plain dishonest. She is misrepresenting herself in regards to just what her role is on Smallville or should I say how big her role is on Smallville. She is NOT a lead actress on this show, not by any stretch of the imagination. The only female cast member who had the legit female lead spot is KK. As much as I love AM and while she may have the screen time to make an argument in her favor it really comes down to two things: Billing and screen time. AM has the screen time but she doesn't have the billing. KK has both the screen time and the billing, which is why(through season seven)she is the official female lead of the show. ED doesn't have the screen time nor the billing to honestly promote herself as a lead actress on this show at least not yet and not as of season seven which is what these emmy's are going to be judging.

Despite all of this. ED doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell when her competition are actresses like Sally Field and Glenn Close. She's nowhere near the talent level those actresses. She may have nominated herself but she won't make it to the finals. Her work isn't strong enough for that.

As to whether or not she's deliberately slapping the faces of both KK and AM I have to say no. At least not deliberately. The only reason I say this is because neither KK or AM submitted themselves or consideration which means ED isn't willingly completing against two of her peers who are more qualified for the nod then she is, it just simply means that for whatever reason she's delusional enough to believe that despite both KK and AM not only putting more hours in but also having higher billing then she does that she's somehow a lead actress on this show. If anything I think this is ED's way of trying to subtly say that she she wants more screen time and importance on the show. Not very classy mind you but still a possibility.

I looked at most of that list and I was reminded how badly I wish more people from genre shows and lesser known (but excellent) shows were nominated for the short list. Yes actors like Sally Field and Glenn Close are awesomesauce. But they are also obvious and already recognized and rewarded up the wazoo! Just about every actor on Friday Night Lights is incredibly talented and in most cases worthy of a nomination. Jensen Ackles put his name in for lead actor and I think he does a fantastic job as Dean, and he balances heavy drama with lighter moments with ease. He is sooo deserving of a nomination.

I really wish Michael Rosenbaum had put his name in as a contender. With the press about his departure from SV he could have had a real chance at people paying some attention.

Turns out the Kryptonsite awards are still going on and Traveler is up for best episode. Voting ends July 28th:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/

Thanks for the heads up and the link, Liv. Oh, I definitely voted for Traveler.

"Arctic" is nominated for the best episode? Didn't see that coming.

Tom O'Neill at the LA times calls out some stars who didn't enter their name in to the Emmy nominations (scroll halfway down the page). Which makes one wonder:

1) Why Tom O'Neill would single out Tom Welling -- there's nothing listed but it's not like there aren't hundreds of shows and not everyone nominated himself.
2) Why Tom Welling doesn't nominate himself as he is indisputably the lead

I'm wondering if O'Neill singled out Tom because he believes Tom does good work or if he's using Tom as an example of someone whom you would think would be nominated but is not. SueB, I'm with you. I'm curious as to why Tom doesn't nominate himself as well. Too modest? Afraid that we fangirls would start stalking him if he did win some major award?

My question is: If Tom or anyone from any of the CW shows were nominated for any Emmy would they even be taken seriously by the committee?

IIRC, Lauren Graham from Gilmore Girls was nominated several times, but unfortunately never won. IMHO, I think that fact that her show was on the WB/CW had something to do with it.
I think there's a best reality show Emmy- I wonder if America's Next Top Model is ever a nominee?

Well, the problem with the WB was that most people thought of it as the network for teens, where appealing to those teens (with relationship angst and lots of hot bods) was more important than providing quality entertainment. So everyone just assumed, sight unseen, that's what every show on the WB was like.

And the CW's reputation is so much worse than the WB's ever was. While the WB was seen as a teen network, it was a successful one that had actually managed to produce a few good shows. (BtVS, Gilmore Girls. Everwood.) Most people (and Emmy voters) see the CW as a hot mess, and how can something actually good come out of such a mess?

From Steefvaniersel in the Chloe thread: Voting for fave character is on at Kryptonsite on the News page: http://www.kryptonsite.com/

Actually, LG was never nominated for an Emmy. She's been in the top 10-15 list consideration list (see Emmy Awards topic) but never among the actual nominees. The awards process was even changed to ensure someone as talented as her would not be overlooked just because of what network their show ran on, and she still failed to get a nomination.

Favorite couple voting has just started on Ksite. Just reading "Chloe & Jimmy" with their names together again made me sick. Stop the madness!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/news.htm

Bizarro is one of the nominees for an Emmy in the Outstanding Sound Editing category. (Supernatural is up for the same award).

Link - includes list of all emmy noms.

Apparently the Ksite awards are still going on. Next up is best line and Chloe's line from Traveler:



is one of the choices.

Just think of how much you don't want to see Lana's line in Arctic win:




when you vote. Alot. On whatever computer you can find.

Re: Chloe and Jimmy - is there a worst couple ever category? I'd go and vote for that.

There should be. They deserve that honour.

I voted for "This guy can fly? God, Clark, you've got to get on that one." It's funny 'cause it's true.


Really? It didn't work very well, or at least not in regards to The CW.