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Lex is attacked by a cloaked stranger who carves kryptonian symbols into his chest; Chloe and Clark discover that a member of the Veritas clan survived and is in hiding.
TWoP Tennison
Merging the two threads now...
figureofspeech
Wow! Fascinating episode! It's interesting that hasn't Lex healed this time. And have you noticed he's being shot through fire again and again?


Only 2 more episodes to pull the strings together. Allison had better come back or those strings will come untied pretty quickly
PolarB
There was an awful lot of exposition in this episode, and yet, I don't feel like a lot happened, even though it did. This really was all about Lex's treasure hunt, and I'm sure there's some symbolism in him technically having what he wanted all along (hello Wizard of Oz!) but having to search for it anyway. It's the journey, as they say. Still, I liked the tie-ins from the cave symbols and that when it comes right down to it, Lex's fireplace really has been important all along! The globe crystal thingy was kind of cool, too.

I have problems with Edward, in that he in no way personality-wise resembles the man we saw in Veritas flashbacks who was on the verge of being talked into siding with Lionel, or that Genevieve seemed to know nothing of his apparent devout loyalty to the Traveler while she was running around the world looking for the stones. But eh.

The Chimmy I could care less about. And I oddly found myself really, really annoyed that Chloe just randomly shows up in Montreal just so she can save Clark.

Poor Clark. His life just gets worse. Just last week he didn't even want to exist and how he has some crackpot one-man cult willing to have him die rather than let Lex control him.

Overall, it was a necessary episode, I think, just for all the information it provided since they couldn't be bothered to spread this out over the last half of the season, but it wasn't bad. I suspect I'll like it more on second viewing.
figureofspeech
PolarB -- I didn't find Chloe's just-in-time arrival annoying, rather a little too much deus ex machina How the h--- could she get there so soon after Clark and before Lex in his private jet.

I liked the fact that Teague's obsession and long wait had twisted his original ideas.
Snarf
Well, that really sucked. At least it was Lana and Lois free, with a nod to continuity of sorts - a return of the cave drawings (sans caves). Of course Lex's wild goose chase ends up back at Luthor Manor in his lair. With the two special effects shots (Clark saving Edward from Lex and destroying the clock, the final scene, plus GOOOOOOOOORE!!!!! the show is seriously over budget now so the last episode will take place entirely in the barn with finger puppets instead of actors, all voiced by Tom Welling.

D+ for duh!
pyralis
I like to say some things right off the bat.

1. Ken, thanks for all the naked chests and the Lex crotch shot. And some lovely use of light and shadow.
2. Thanks to HH for not having anyone say “Lana” anywhere tonight. Bonus points for that.
3. If they had this planned, what the hell was the Goughlar doing with the throw away episodes earlier in the season - Fierce, Hero, Sleeper. Thanks for nothing, idiots.

Before this started I was going to try to work in jokes about Killer Rabbits and Questing for a Shrubbery, but they pulled off another well done show and it would be out of place. This is perfect example of why this show is so frustrating, why is excellance so hard to maintain. It's not that there's the occasional bad episodes like on other shows, it's that the truly superior episodes seem so few and far between.

Donnelly was great - and I love how his stuff was directed so he could mostly be sitting down.

Actually all of the actors were doing another wonderful job. For the most part they acted like adults and while I have some doubts about Chloe being an proponent of offing Lex (even indirectly), I was pleased that Clark was still of the mind not to be a killer.

In continuity corner - Lex’s security is again useless.

How could Jimmy get those shots of Lex unless he was right on top of him (mmmm topping Lex)?

All in all a good job by all concerned that would have been better with a more cohesive build-up and less screwing around earlier in the year. Sadly, this seems the continuing way of Smallville.
nzs
Actually all of the actors were doing another wonderful job. For the most part they acted like adults and while I have some doubts about Chloe being an proponent of offing Lex (even indirectly), I was pleased that Clark was still of the mind not to be a killer.

I was worried that Chloe was suggesting for Clark to kill Lex (that's Lana's job) but she was only telling Clark that he may have to make difficult decisions in the future. Possibly foreshadowing what might just happen in "Artic".
RepairmanBob
Lots of exposition, Chloe saves Clark again, more Chimmy and Jimmy solves the myester of the cave symbols?

The awesomesauce is not flowing so far on this one.
Overall, it was a necessary episode, I think, just for all the information it provided since they couldn't be bothered to spread this out over the last half of the season, but it wasn't bad.
Exactly. We get crap like Sleeper, a rushed Apocolyapse, and a "run Lex around when he could have just gotten the stupid holo-map back in Descent"? I think when PS3 said they realized they could use the extra five episodes to expand the story from Veritas, they should have said "pad and stretch things out as much as possible."
kenm
And I oddly found myself really, really annoyed that Chloe just randomly shows up in Montreal just so she can save Clark.


As soon as the guy left Clark strapped to the altar, I knew Chloe was going to show up and save him. I would have been disappointed if he had gotten out any other way. However, I thought she would go by way of the cave/fortress/Kryptonian teleportation to really pay off the "ends of the earth" thing. They were hitting the "god" button so many times it seemed clear they were trying to call back to the speech from Wrath (again). Oliver's jet makes it hard to understand how she got there so quickly, though of course we don't know the relative flow of time between the two sets of events we were watching.

I am uncomfortable with her seeming to want Clark to kill Lex, although there is precedent, since she also wanted Clark to kill Lex, as a last resort, when it seemed the only way to stop Zod back in Vessel.

Otherwise, I agree with the general sense that, whereas a lot of stuff happened, the episode was kind of dull. I wasn't on the edge of my seat at any time.

Also, I agree with the general dissatisfaction with the strange pacing of the last few episodes. Why did they waste an episode on Sleeper (ETA: and Hero), when they had so much stuff to do?
Chlarkolate
Loved:

-Yeah Montreal!
-Yeah Donnelly Rhodes! (I hope we see him again.)

Meh:
Chloe did get there after Clark and after Lex but not much after Lex. It should have taken a minimum of six hours for her to get there based on SV's own established timeline. Second, has Chloe developed Superstrength? How did she break that stone altar so easily? I should use her vitamins. The real shame here is that this WTF could have been so easily avoided by Chloe getting Kara to carry her to Montreal. Fast and efficient. Oi vay.
-Jimmy's like superReporter now. He found out more about the cave drawings in one evening of talking to some random Met U professor than apparently Clark and Lex and his experts did over several years. Retcons galore. Whatever, show.

Hated:
-What the hell are they doing to Chloe? First she is uninterested in the breaking news that Lex has been stabbed and she would rather seduce Jimmy instead. There are no words to express how wrong that is. NO WORDS. Then she is morally ambiguous about whether Clark should kill Lex? WTF!? She doesn't say he should but she doesn't deny it either when he asks her if that's what she thinks. Arggh.

Missed Opportunity:
-I would have loved it if Lex had found Chloe in the church before he left. Oooh imagine the conflict.
PolarB
The real shame here is that this WTF could have been so easily avoided by Chloe getting Kara to carry her to Montreal.

That brings up another point - after the mysterious ending we got in Apocalypse Kara isn't even mentioned int his episode. Nothing about her not feeling well, or off on some super errand. Just nothing. Now, I know they do this for most semi-regulars when they're not around, Lois also didn't merit a mention, but Kara was the deliberate focus of last week's ending. It makes sense that what happened to her would be one of the questions on people's minds coming in this week. I know they're saving all that for the finale, but something should have been said.
nwp01
Jimmy's like superReporter now. He found out more about the cave drawings in one evening of talking to some random Met U professor than apparently Clark and Lex and his experts did over several years


Wow..in the space of..what?...2-3 episodes he's been converted from whiny! beeeotch to Jimmy James Bond and Super!Reporter. Well, I guess the evidence is here.if they can do it for him, they can do it for anyone. All it takes is one episode.


What the hell are they doing to Chloe? First she is uninterested in the breaking news that Lex has been stabbed and she would rather seduce Jimmy instead. There are no words to express how wrong that is. NO WORDS.


And I barf. Thank You ptb for continuing to kill Chloe in so many little ways. This is heartbreaking to hear, but not surprising. I'm just waiting for her to say that the thrill of the chase is no longer thrilling for her, and she thinks journalism is no longer for her.

Maybe her full time role would be to seduce Jimmy.

It's sad that, when Clana calms down, and I think I have some time to recover my bodily fluids since I don't have to barf that much, it seems like the Chimmy is ramped up to take it's place.
Chlarkolate
You're right Polar B. It shouldn't have been left like a cliffhanger if they weren't going to deal with it this week.

I liked the pace of this episode but it did feel awkwardly placed. Like it should have happened immediately after Lex found the Veritas thing-a-ma-jig. Instead of the whole Wonderful Life rip-off/ode. Maybe it's an unfortunate side effect of the writer's strike, but it feels like much of the last several episodes were written to go together but then the scenes were filmed and then scrambled. So we're getting all the pieces of the puzzle but they don't fit together quite right.
carcassi
-What the hell are they doing to Chloe? First she is uninterested in the breaking news that Lex has been stabbed and she would rather seduce Jimmy instead. There are no words to express how wrong that is. NO WORDS. Then she is morally ambiguous about whether Clark should kill Lex? WTF!? She doesn't say he should but she doesn't deny it either when he asks her if that's what she thinks. Arggh.


ITA. The Chimmy seduction was bad enough, but this is the same Chloe who we saw, in Season 3, risking her life to bring down Lionel Luthor b/c he was a murderer. She feels strongly about taking human life. If she thinks Clark needs to kill Lex, there should be some soul-searching there. I think TPTB were just too lazy to show this to us, but IMO it's crucial to her character. AFAIC, advocating killing without justification isn't right for her, just as it isn't for Clark.
Chlarkolate
Wow..in the space of..what?...2-3 episodes he's been converted from whiny! beeeotch to Jimmy James Bond and Super!Reporter. Well, I guess the evidence is here.if they can do it for him, they can do it for anyone. All it takes is one episode


This is precisely my fear.

Just remembered another "Loved". I loved the whole clock/music bit. I thought it was very well done. And the music is lovely. I thought MR played that scene beautifully, especially with his little head bobs as he was trying to figure out/remember the tune. Then I laughed unintentionally because I was doing the exact same head bob. The music seemed so familiar! It kind of reminded me of two songs. The one that goes "I'll take the high road and you'll take the low road,..." and another one that goes "and the clock struck, never to go again, when the old man died..." (or something like that).

Anyways I looked up "The Birks of St. Kilda" on iTunes with no luck. But if you listen to any of the listings for "St. Kilda Wedding" (especially the one by Hamish McGregor) you can clearly hear the tune used in the episode.

Edited because I used the word "beautiful" way too many times for my liking. But it was. Beautiful.
nwp01
The Chimmy seduction was bad enough, but this is the same Chloe who we saw, in Season 3, risking her life to bring down Lionel Luthor b/c he was a murderer. She feels strongly about taking human life


Also, don't forget this is the same person who had a very hard time watching the fights on her computer screen in Combat, and she was clearly appalled that Titan killed the guy in cold blood.

But what am I saying? Tptb never watch past episodes to stay relatively consistent.

No one is perfect, so I'm hoping it's a momentary lack of judgement and will be rectified-maybe her annoyance/anger with Lex clouded her judgement. Knowing this show-most likely not. I sometimes wonder if they don't realise the implications of some of the lines written.

Case in point: A whole planet is about to die..."Save Lana! Lana, Lana, Lana!" :/
kenm
No one is perfect, so I'm hoping it's a momentary lack of judgement and will be rectified-maybe her annoyance/anger with Lex clouded her judgement.


Didn't she tell Clark to kill Lex in Vessel? Am I remembering that scene wrong?
RepairmanBob
-What the hell are they doing to Chloe? First she is uninterested in the breaking news that Lex has been stabbed and she would rather seduce Jimmy instead. There are no words to express how wrong that is. NO WORDS. Then she is morally ambiguous about whether Clark should kill Lex? WTF!? She doesn't say he should but she doesn't deny it either when he asks her if that's what she thinks. Arggh.
Wow..in the space of..what?...2-3 episodes he's been converted from whiny! beeeotch to Jimmy James Bond and Super!Reporter. Well, I guess the evidence is here.if they can do it for him, they can do it for anyone. All it takes is one episode
This is the kind of bullshit writing that is making me go from "so bad it should be mocked" to "so bad the crack monkeys should have their crack taken away."

Jimmy is getting lightswitches so goddamn fast that Lana Lang would snark at it. From clueless putz to Jimmy Bond and major investigator of the CoC? Meanwhile, Chloe continues to show not a single emotion about being fired from her dream job, and is more interested in seducing Jimmy than Lex getting a Kryptonian symbol carved on his chest? What happened to RealChloe and when did she get stuffed back into her Pod? (Sometime after Descent, I suspect).

ET going bald, insane, and never figuring out why his hot wife was looking for the GSoK just makes no sense to me. Not even a little bit.

On the up side... no, Kara would have been a good addition for a change. But who needs follow-up on Kara actually doing something interesting when we can have a Da Vince Code rip-off?
Massena1
Chloe suffers from pathological curiosity. This is the chick who created a huge wall to investigate the weird stuff around her. The chick who got giddy when a crime dropped in their laps. The chick who went to the seedy part of town late at night to follow up on a call to the DP tip line because she wanted to find out the story.

It makes no sense for Chloe not to ask questions when something strange happens around her. NONE. Curiosity is a nature. It's like being right handed, or OCD. It's just part of who you are. You don't outgrow it.

If Jimmy tells Chloe that Lex was attacked and in the hospital, then she should ask questions. Even if she doesn't care about Lex's wellbeing, she would want to know what is going on and why someone attacked him for no other reason than Chloe is snoopy.

Anything else is BS.

Also, Jimmy wants Chloe to celebrate his success at the DP when she was just recently fired from it? Jimmy doesn't even consider that hearing about how Lex is boosting his career just after kicking Chloe out of her dream job might burn her a bit? Selfish and self involved doesn't cover it.

Lex wouldn't want a story exposing his quest. It would only let his enemies, which he is certain he has, in on what he is doing. It doesn't make sense that Lex would greenlight a story by Jimmy (who is suppose to be a photographer not a writer) covering what he is investigating.

Also, Chloe should not have been able to make it to save the day. She should have either used Kara, gone to Jorel or had Bart or someone else on Ollie's team zip over to help Clark out. Chloe popping up is an unnecessarily implausible resolution to the problem.
nzs
A recap/review of the episode can be found on this site.

ETA: Word to your entire post, massena, although I really liked when Chloe saved Clark.
Eurybia
Thanks for the recap, nzs. So far, it really scares me. I am wholly uncomfortable with Clark playing God. I am wholly uncomfortable with the idea that Clark stops to consider that the man who carved both him and Lex up was misguided but trying to do the right thing, while he doesn't realize that Lex is basically in the same place (only with waaaaay more cause and a more valid POV, even if his actions have been worse).

I'm pretty sure this show has forever destroyed Superman in my eyes.

The whole "final battle" thing reminds me of ancient Zoroastrianism. I'm very fascinated with the mythology they've created, even if it absolutely terrifies me, and I wish we'd gotten more of it instead of the Sleeper suckfest and GroisGate.

Word to your entire post, Massena.
Orestes96
Thanks, nzs! Woah, you all weren't kidding about the exposition. It sounds like much silliness and asshatry abound. Clark, Chloe, and ET all sound like douches here. I haven't been a Chloe fan for some time, but I really cannot figure out what happened to her. Is Clark's BDAness contagious or something? Looking forward to the Lex-chest though. I'm also glad to see that Lex's search is being portrayed as deeply personal and that he's still struggling with his feelings about Lionel.
ET going bald, insane, and never figuring out why his hot wife was looking for the GSoK just makes no sense to me. Not even a little bit.
The "bowing before Clark" stuff is utterly ridiculous. Is Lex going to be the only person not kissing Clark's ass? If the two sides I'm presented with are blind follower or non-believer, I'll side with the non-believer, kthx.

And when did ET decide that the Traveler wasn't a threat? Wasn't the PCoR discussing if the Traveler would be dangerous or not? ET had never met Clark until this episode. Can he just sense Clark "goodness" or something equally stupid? And how the hell did ET decide Lex was evil? He apparently hadn't seen him since he was a child. And plz, show: why did Lionel want Clark "all to himself"? Why? For what?! Even in death, they keep playing the ambiguous motive card with Lionel.

Oh, the stupid. It hurts.

ETA:
I am wholly uncomfortable with Clark playing God. I am wholly uncomfortable with the idea that Clark stops to consider that the man who carved both him and Lex up was misguided but trying to do the right thing, while he doesn't realize that Lex is basically in the same place (only with waaaaay more cause and a more valid POV, even if his actions have been worse).
Preach it. I honestly cannot tell whose side they want me to be on. My loyalty remains with Team Sexy.
Eurybia
If the two sides I'm presented with are blind follower or non-believer, I'll side with the non-believer, kthx.
Freakin' word, Orestes. This whole "everyone will bow down to Clark except Lex" thing is also pretty interesting when considering the pretty much blind adoration on Lex's face when he did find out the secret in "Shattered." Back then, he might have gladly joined the Cult of Clark Kent (ha! Another CoCK).

And when did ET decide that the Traveler wasn't a threat? Wasn't the PCoR discussing if the Traveler would be dangerous or not? ET had never met Clark until this episode. Can he just sense Clark "goodness" or something equally stupid? And how the hell did ET decide Lex was evil? He apparently hadn't seen him since he was a child.
ITA with all this. I don't get it. I'm hoping actually watching the episode will clear it up, but from past experience, I doubt it.
SueB
Excellent review as always nzs. I think they are rushing the ending of Lex's arc --- going heavy handed with the imagery and exposition to set up the final episode. I don't get the whole point of Jimmy's story --- he is the one who tips off Chloe --- that's his purpose in life? mmmkay.
Liv06
With all the gleeful butchering of established characters and plot points that make no sense, I don't see Arctic being any good, which makes me feel very sorry for MR. This episode was ridiculous. I expect Arctic to be more of the same.
kenm
Jimmy is getting lightswitches so goddamn fast that Lana Lang would snark at it. From clueless putz to Jimmy Bond and major investigator of the CoC? Meanwhile, Chloe continues to show not a single emotion about being fired from her dream job, and is more interested in seducing Jimmy than Lex getting a Kryptonian symbol carved on his chest? What happened to RealChloe and when did she get stuffed back into her Pod? (Sometime after Descent, I suspect).


Given all the Jimmy/Lana parallels, and the way Chloe gets strange around him but recovers when alone, is it time to start collecting evidence that Jimmy is a meteor freak? Maybe that's why he seems uniquely immune to Lana: she radiates SAVE ME, he radiates LOVE ME and the two fields cancel each other out. Maybe they both got the ability to master very difficult skills in a short time as a side effect.
laurelnola
is it time to start collecting evidence that Jimmy is a meteor freak? Maybe that's why he seems uniquely immune to Lana: she radiates SAVE ME, he radiates LOVE ME and the two fields cancel each other out.


I like it, kenm. Of course, they both radiate PUNCH ME, as far as I'm concerned. Followed by CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
RepairmanBob
Thanks for the review, nzs.

At this point, I am starting to support Brainiac. Everyone else is a moron (Clark, Lois), a Lana (Jimmy) a Pod person (Chloe) or dead (Lionel). I would cheer for Lex, but let's face it - he is going to get mind-wiped or another concussion by the end of Arctic, and wander away to become a sexy, bald Eskimo. Which is great for all the Eskimo ladies, but not so much for the show.

Jor-El sent Dr. Swann a "How to kill my idiot son" guide? Great, another WTF moment, something that seems to be a trend in the post-strike episodes. It goes great with Jimmy freakin' Olsen learning more about the symbols from the CoC in one episode than the Luthor and Clark did in two years, Chloe's new Super Fast Ollie Jet, Chloe Sullivan - Witless Nympo and more stupid Veritas secrets being retconned into the mansion after seven years of not being there. For fuck's sake, NotBaby is sound more and more reasonable all the time.

I know Smallville has always played with the religious imagery, but this seems pretty over the top. And if Clark is Jesus, then IMO we are all fucked, since he still worships at the altar of the Pink.
Nat0117
At this point, I am starting to support Brainiac.


I'm kinda with you, RepairmanBob. Also, MR leaving or not, I'm on Lex's side too, evol murdering woobie and all. None of these other clowns have much integrity anymore...no one has a consistent or even likable personality...and the BORGization of Chloe has killed my SV love tremendously. Clark, well, he's always been a BDA, but lately it's just like he's more and more loathsome and mopey and sanctimonious.

Do the writers watch the show? Do they? Because I know that some of the actors don't, which I guess is standard. But can't ANYONE working on the show see what a piece of shit it's become for crying out loud?

Are they setting up for Chloe to go off with Ollie? Maybe it's for the best. I know it's not a popular opinion around here, but I actually was a fan of GreenArrowville....
nzs
So far, it really scares me. I am wholly uncomfortable with Clark playing God. I am wholly uncomfortable with the idea that Clark stops to consider that the man who carved both him and Lex up was misguided but trying to do the right thing, while he doesn't realize that Lex is basically in the same place (only with waaaaay more cause and a more valid POV, even if his actions have been worse).

I wholeheartedly agree. And I am leaning towards Team Sexy myself.

I'm pretty sure this show has forever destroyed Superman in my eyes.

My son was walking by when Teague was carving up Clark. He stopped, looked and asked why I was still watching this show. His exact words were: "It's surreal. It has nothing to do with Superman." He's right.
ldok
Im officially sick of Chlark!
Really I had it I mean they got all this moments that lead to nowhere and that are just the same thing is like a Clana loft scene or Nois saying/doing stupid things I mean is like the redid Solitude and changed the fortress for a church and Brainiac for ET. I dont like wasting their time on scenes that dont advance the plot further or contribute to the show overall so the Chlark closeness because of the saving of each other has officially tired me. They better dont do it again unless they plan to do something with it.
Kalynne
Im officially sick of Chlark!


I'm not sick of Chlark. But I am tired of never seeing any follow up to dramatic Chlark moments.
Massena1
Given all the Jimmy/Lana parallels, and the way Chloe gets strange around him but recovers when alone, is it time to start collecting evidence that Jimmy is a meteor freak? Maybe that's why he seems uniquely immune to Lana: she radiates SAVE ME, he radiates LOVE ME and the two fields cancel each other out. Maybe they both got the ability to master very difficult skills in a short time as a side effect.


Chloe has always been a meteor freak magnet, so maybe.....it wouldn't make anything alright though. It's Chloe's already long suffering fans, who are now, being asked to put up with this new assassination of her character along with everything else.

I haven't been a Chloe fan for some time, but I really cannot figure out what happened to her.


I'm still a Chloe fan, probably because I am not watching this character assasination, but like you and so many others, after reading all the recaps, my biggest question is when did it happen? What started this lightswitch with Chloe? It probably wouldn't make it better, but at least, I wouldn't feel so completely ambushed by it if I could get why they're doing this crap which MAKE NO SENSE. Because it is definitely intentional as Holly Harold has twice had JIMMY coax Chloe into following up on a story lead. (Fierce and now Quest.) That runs completely against who Chloe Sullivan is. As horrible as Clark's Lana obsession is, it has always existed. It is part of him and it will likely always be some part of him. But, Chloe and journalism and Chloe and snoopiness? Those have always gone together and so this is a relatively new, rather horrible, development.


Also, MR leaving or not, I'm on Lex's side too, evol murdering woobie and all. None of these other clowns have much integrity anymore...no one has a consistent or even likable personality...and the BORGization of Chloe has killed my SV love tremendously. Clark, well, he's always been a BDA, but lately it's just like he's more and more loathsome and mopey and sanctimonious.

Do the writers watch the show? Do they? Because I know that some of the actors don't, which I guess is standard. But can't ANYONE working on the show see what a piece of shit it's become for crying out loud?


At least Clark was doing something this episode. I will give him credit for resisting killing Lex. And Lex is taking drugs and pills and pushing forward no matter what for some answers. I think that's perfect. It's really only what they are doing in Chloe which is once again evident in this episode that is offputting to me. I can handle Clark being dumb more because he had moments of real growth and depth this season. Chloe hasn't had any growth in ages.

Clark, Public Enemy #1, the destroyer, I mentioned this last night to some other people. But, when they started this Veritas story about how someone could pull Clark's strings I thought about Almiles doing an interview about a movie idea they had for Clark to be public enemy #1. Chiri chimed in that Identity Crisis in the comics had that idea and I think that is where they are heading with this story. Edward Teague's whole bit was about how dangerous Clark could be and how he had to be destroyed along with Lex because Clark is too dangerous. I foresee Edward Teague being right and Clark being manipulated into doing some bad stuff in future episodes <sarcasm> because he hasn't been guilty enough and I know I can't think of anything more fun than seeing Clark destroy stuff. </sarcasm>
ldok
I'm still a Chloe fan, probably because I am not watching this character assasination, but like you and so many others, after reading all the recaps, my biggest question is when did it happen? What started this lightswitch with Chloe? It probably wouldn't make it better, but at least, I might be able to handle it if I got why they're doing this. Because it is definitely intentional as Holly Harold has twice had JIMMY coax Chloe into following up on a story lead. (Fierce and now Quest.) That runs completely against who Chloe Sullivan is. As horrible as Clark's Lana obsession is, it has always existed. It is part of him and it will likely always be some part of him. But, Chloe and journalism and Chloe and snoopiness? Those have always gone together and so this is a relatively new, rather horrible, development.


Maybe is a fanwank but I think that Chloe might be trying to drown her problems with sex and since Jimmy is her boyfriend that is why she puts up with his offputting behaviour. To get some comfort sex I mean she lost her job, her friend is catatonic, the world might come to an end and Clark is mopier than ever so the only thing left to her is Jimmy and sex that is why she is trying to ignore the things that hurt her. Of course this would be better if the show acknowlegde it but they probably will ignore it as usual.
SueB
when did it happen?


I'm suspicious of the answer being: during the strike. Gough did an interview with USA Today and said that the strike allowed them to think of a different way to end the season than they were planning. Seems to me that pre-strike we had Siren/Frature/Traveler/Veritas (Hero was just filler) with an original Lex finds the FoS ending. Since the strike we've had Chloe fired, Clark suicidal, Lana in a longer-term catatonia, Kara manipulated by Brainiac, the return of Chimmy with a vengence.... I think some of this is part of that rethink. When Goughlar learned they weren't coming back for S8, they may have modified again somewhat to get some of their "vision" shots in before the S7 finale.
Massena1
I'm suspicious of the answer being: during the strike.


Sue, it was definitely not the strike. As I mentioned above, Holly Harold did the same thing with "Fierce" and Jimmy showing Chloe a photo of something with juicy story potential and Chloe not jumping at it. Jimmy has to coax Chloe to show interest in it. Is Chloe suppose to be depressed? Is healing people stealing her life force? Because she is NOT the go-getter that I adored and that use to be one of her defining characteristics. The only time she shows any bit of that old go-getter spirit is when Clark or one of her friends is in danger, but for herself? She shows none. I HATE it.
Kalynne
but like you and so many others, after reading all the recaps, my biggest question is when did it happen? What started this lightswitch with Chloe? It probably wouldn't make it better, but at least, I might be able to handle it if I got why they're doing this. Because it is definitely intentional as Holly Harold has twice had JIMMY coax Chloe into following up on a story lead. (Fierce and now Quest.)


IMO, the only reasonable explanation I can think of is they want to marginalize and cheapen her character so that another one can conveniently slide into the role she has played since the beginning of the series. You know that scene in Quest when Jimmy is trying to tell her about the photos while she is more interested in sex reminds me of the scene where edlois is too busy with Grant to realize damning info about Lex is being deleted right under her nose. It is almost like some sort of role reversal.

Sue, it was definitely not the strike. As I mentioned above, Holly Harold did the same thing with "Fierce" and Jimmy showing Chloe a photo of something with juicy story potential and Chloe not jumping at it. Jimmy has to coax Chloe to show interest in it.


Is it possible that Souders & Peterson have made changes to the last few episodes?
Nat0117
...in Quest when Jimmy is trying to tell her about the photos while she is more interested in sex reminds me of the scene where edlois is too busy with Grant to realize damning info about Lex is being deleted right under her nose. It is almost like some sort of role reversal.


Great point. And I agree--since the writers can't possibly develop competent characterizations for two female journalists, Chloe must be destroyed to allow Lois to take her place. I sometimes wonder if Chloe should've stayed dead in the S6 finale. Her character assasination is glaring and not only does the show suffer for it, because Chloe, Chlark, and AM are MAJOR contributors to any warmth SV has ever had, but Lois isn't even gaining anything this! She's still a putz...except now, she is the only putz at the DP.
theriot
I sometimes wonder if Chloe should've stayed dead in the S6 finale. Her character assasination is glaring

The problem is, it's not till recently that the change in character is glaring. I mean if I'm not mistaken we've been getting hints of the real Chloe throughout this season, it's not until Sleeper that Chloe's been written horribly. IMHO it's due to the lack of KK. I don't think TPTB expected KK NOT to be in the final 5 episodes so I think Chloe is being written as both characters IMHO.

Honestly with the exception of Lex, all the characters are being written terribly.

Chloe basically became a shell. Jimmy became the BEST-REPORTER-EVA! Lois... well nuff said And Clark became this suicidal guilt trip.

Im officially sick of Chlark!

I'm not sick of Chlark. But I am tired of never seeing any follow up to dramatic Chlark moments.

i agree, Chlark cannot develop when Clana is frozen so now we get the same shit from those two.

I'm suspicious of the answer being: during the strike.

Sue, it was definitely not the strike.



I disagree, I believe it was most certainly the strike. The vertias finale was basically spread throughout the last 5 episodes. Decent had Lionel's death, Sleeper Clark finding the fortress, Apocalypse was more like the Superman Special/ Krypton's final day and then This episode continues the Veritas theme.

Also note, the strike did what, took a few months that could be used for filming. Weren't these episodes filmed roughly in like a month time spam?

IMHO, the Strike is what caused the problems.
nzs
I console myself by thinking that while Chloe is being written massively out-of-character, Clark isn't fairing much better. He's back with his Lana blinders firmly in place ("Apocalypse" etc) and Teague basically spoke to Clark for less than two minutes before concluding that Clark doesn't want to fulfill his destiny and doesn't even want to save himself. The writers have completely stalled Clark and Chloe for some reason.
Black Panda
Clark isn't fairing much better. He's back with his Lana blinders firmly in place ("Apocalypse" etc) and Teague basically spoke to Clark for less than two minutes before concluding that Clark doesn't want to fulfill his destiny and doesn't even want to save himself.

Yeah, I see the whole "control Clark" thing as leading the audience up to figuring out how Brainiac is controlling him via Lana, and how she's been warping him. Sort of underlining the conflict without really admitting it until early next season?
Kalynne
The writers have completely stalled Clark and Chloe for some reason.


I would love to think that this will lead to some sort of payoff but I am no longer as optimistic. I hate to see what my favorite characters have been reduced to.
theriot
I was worried that Chloe was suggesting for Clark to kill Lex (that's Lana's job)


I am not worried. She did do the exact same thing in Vessel. "Maybe Jor-El was right. To stop Fine, to stop all of this! You need to destroy that vessel!"

Lex owns the paper thus press

Lex is working with the Government

Lex is on the verge of controlling Clark

Lex can escape Prison like he did at the begining of the season/ how Lionel did in Season 4.

Nothing will stop Lex, and that's why I can tolerate Chloe suggesting that.
Chlarkolate
is more interested in seducing Jimmy than Lex getting a Kryptonian symbol carved on his chest


To be clear, Chloe didn't care that Lex was in the hospital (OOC I know). But when she found out about the symbol carving she did get curious and then went off to see Clark.

I also considered if she was using sex to forget her troubles but I'm not sure. Maybe.

I was wondering if this uncharacteristic lack of curiosity only occurs when talking with Jimmy. Maybe she doesn't really respect his journalistic skills and that's why she's initially dismissive and needs to be coaxed.

I noticed in Quest that Chloe was reading The Tipping Point. I wonder if that has any significance.
Dread
Frankly, I'm just surprised Jimmy didn't think the Egyptians were after Lex.
CantThinkUpName
That episode made me feel icky.

Was the moral of the episode really "kneel before Clark" or was that just me? Because what I got was Lex doesn't know he's going to do something evil, he doesn't even know what he's going to do after he gets the controller, and everyone wants to kill him. Why? Because he's a "non-believer."

"God didn't like the Crusades either." I don't want to put my faith in Clark. I don't trust him. If Clark had to deal with being a God to men as an actual storyline, i wouldn't mind it. It's a bit more dramatic than disembodio saying "be a God" and Clark saying no.

I wasn't even clear on whether ET thought Lionel was bad or not or if Clark was supposed to rethink his opinion on Lionel. I mean ET was somewhat a villain, but then Clark stuck around to nod to Edward Teague like they're cool after ET tied him to a table and cut his chest.

"On some twisted level he thought he was doing the right thing."- Many, if only there was a character with weird means to the right end. If only...if only...

We've never gotten one indication that Lex would destroy Clark if he got the chance. He got the chance and didn't.

They sure did a lot of exposition tonight. How many times did they explain what Veritas was- again and again?

Chloe really was dumb tonight. "I thought Lex was killing off all his enemies. Why would someone want to kill Lex?" Sweet, daft girl. And way to act so non-chalantly that Lex was sliced open. She also seemed really off and rushed during the St. Christopher's scene.

Dear writers, maybe if you didn't waste your CGI budget on showing clock innards you'd have enough money for a cast.

At least next week, per the promo, GAYLEs abound!!
RandomWatcher
You would think that after all this time, Lex would either get even better security or move.

No mention of Lana, I liked it.
Sue Denim
Why?
Nat0117
Okay, let me get this straight. Teague wanted the symbols carved somewhere that Clark would surely see them. So he selected Lex’s naked chest?? Good CHRIST. Are they trying to completely suffocate us with the gay subtext?

Speaking of, Jimmy got a little close to the nip with that camera, no?

Clark: “I know Lex!” And don’t lecture me about mah baby!

Time is a friend to MR. He seriously gets sexier with age. Yum.

I actually didn’t feel hate for Chloe’s disinterest in Lex’s hospital visit. The guy is stabbed, shot, and knocked unconscious every week. It’s not a major story--it’s just Tuesday.

*Sigh* I liked Chloe saving Clark *ducks*

Oh, and "Security breach!!" All together now: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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