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Hirer-and-firer Donald Trump names the winning celebrity player in the season finale. Before that, however, the final two contestants square off in a taxing quest to organize a charity auction and concert. The winner nets $250,000 for his or her charity.
WebRat
I loved the boardroom and all its biased glory! Here are the moments I’ll remember most (paraphrased for my entertainment):

Trace: Don’t belittle my bidders.
Piers: I didn’t say any such thing.
Trump: But he thought that, so you’re wrong, Piers.
Piers: That’s not fair
Trump: Yes, it is.

Ivanka: You really make people angry, Piers.
Piers: If I may comment on that—
Trump: Yeah, you’re rough on people and rub them the wrong way.
Piers: Well, I—
Trump: Why do you do that?
Piers: But—
Trump: Go ahead.
Piers: Thank you sir. I –
Trump: Go ahead.
Piers: I—
Trump: Trace, what do you think of Piers’ awful style?

Trump: Piers! You’re sweating!
Piers: Yes, well you won’t let me defend myself.
Trump: Why are you sweating?
Piers: What are you expecting exactly?
Trump: Trace, are you comfortable? Can we get you a water? Blanket? BJ?

Piers: Look, this is a business game. I played a business game.
Trace: Yes, I have to hand it to Piers. He said it up for the event to be the best possible. He is clearly the better person.
Trump: This is the most difficult decision I’ve ever had.

Carol: You know you should have fired Trace instead of me.
Trump: You’re choking!!! You’re choking on live television!
Carol: No, I’m calling you out for your terrible decision.
Trump: Sit down! We’re gonna talk to Baldwin now.

Everyone: Trace is ten times better than Piers.
Trump: No time to explain the lack of a reasonable argument as to why. Coming up next after the break, we’re going to continue to beat up that British A-hole.

Piers: I was the best apprentice by far. I made the most money. I had the best record and I fought to the finish with integrity and honor.
Trump: BUT YOU’RE NOT LOVED!!!!!!

//I disliked Piers (way too smug for me to stomach), but this bash fest was just awful and unfair. The show presented Piers as a devil and Trace as a cute puppy (awww, doesn’t he just touch your heartstrings?). As much as I was routing for Trace, wasn’t this show supposed to be “The Apprentice”, a reality show about who’s the best at BUSINESS?? They probably only did that because they knew Piers was a lock. I wonder how Omarosa feels about this.

So Piers’ charity gets the 300k from his auction + the income from the “Apprentice” auction (post show) + 250k winner prize?
Orion7
Lord, what a crapfest.
MyOwn2Sense
It wasn't a personality contest. Trump makes a lot of foolish remarks just to make good tv. Piers got the job done. It's a well-deserved win in my opinion.
whyistherumgone
I love Trace, and he's my winner. He gained a lot of fans through this, and that's great.

Can't stand Piers, but he did better business. Yadda, yadda, yadda and all that crap. I actually liked that they dragged his ass through the mud and then at the last minute called him the winner. I thought it was great.
Tienko
Love Trace. But glad that Piers won.

Omarosa still sucks and needs to get off my TV screen and stay off of it.
delhigirl
2 hours, seriously 2 hours. 2 whole hours of my life that I will never get back. Piers won, of course he won ,he was really good. Trace was just not as good, besides his homophobic comments were really annoying as was his incessant whining. The BSB's (ok that was funny) did not seem as bad really. I never thought I would say this, but I feel sorry for the BSBs.
rphnick
I was hoping that Trace would win, but Piers did put up one helluva fight and I do give him props for that. I wonder why Carol was delayed in coming out onto the stage when her name was called? I don't think she got the memo that this is just a tv show since she is pretty bitter about not being in the finals. I could have done without Omarosa's overacting when prancing out onto the stage.

I wonder if Ivanka ever had dinner with Trace? She must have been really impressed when Trace took his shirt off and maybe she wasn't faking it when she said wow ;)
Orihara Kaoru
Oh, ugh. Why do I feel like I've been run over by a bus after watching that? And I was even flipping during most of it (especially the last half) trying to avoid the crappiest parts (very hard to do because were there any *non*-crappy parts?).

Anyway, I agree with the Piers win. It's not a "most upstanding guy" competition or whatever, as Piers pointed out. I mean, he raised almost half a million dollars. How could he not win?
MyEyesSee
Quelle surprise! (Sigh) Two hours to pimp Piers’ next show. Pfui.
BSB getting dissed by Trace AND Ivanka: Priceless!
Carol, your fight was too little, too late dear.
Omarosa knows how to milk a moment, doesn’t she? That entrance was…
Gene vs Kodak (Round 2)
I’m in love with Trace and in lust with Lennox.
Trump is still an ass.
That is all.
MyOwn2Sense
Omarosa still sucks and needs to get off my TV screen and stay off of it.

If only, if only. Unfortunately, I don't think she's going anywhere. I don't believe Trump likes her. I do think he likes her on his show because people will watch just to wait and see her get what she's got coming. She's the woman people love to hate. She'll be back and back and back.
NotTheBox
I was very pleasantly surprised by the result. I thoroughly enjoyed that Piers a- called out Baldwin on his hypocrisy b- pretty much demanded that Trump either hire him or explain when the rules changed c- oh yeah, didn't let Trace get away with riding the Piers is the Anti Christ wave and falsely accusing him of belittling Trace's donors.

Plus, he was funny, and when he did manage to get a word in edgewise, very POLITELY let it be known that he didn't mind playing the stock villain for a tv show, but that he insisted people realize that there is more to him than the character and that he actually IS a human being not Snidely Whiplash.

I liked Trace less after tonight than I did before.

And I loved that Miss O just blathered something stupid while trying to be cute, then was roundly ignored afterwards.

Great show!
jjj343
I really gained a lot of respect for Piers throughout the process. Although he was often abrasive, he was also right in calling out Omorosa and the Flea. I was quite upset to see the Donald to slam Piers for being too tough when his entire career has been built on making tough decisions.
peb
I am so glad that Piers won and this was not the benediction of Saint Trace. Trace should not have even been in the final two if you follow the premise of the show at all. I would say that Trump owes Piers an apology for treating him like crap, but I think that Piers likes to get paid in attention and he should get a decent amount of that from this. He dominated this show and was often right when he was standing up for himself (but should learn when to just grimace politely).

I was completely disgusted by the way the Trump shut down Carol. Trump is a horrible obvious sexist. I am glad that Carol tried her best to stand up for herself.
mtlchickie
Wow, that live boardroom was pretty odd. From Omarosa's Jerry Springer strut like she was ready to rip off whatever weave Piers had if he had one, to Carol's "You know I should have been here" (while true, it wasn't going to change things) to someone chanting "USA! USA!", it was a lot of "o....kay?" But above all, I was a bit bothered on how they continually slammed Piers. The irony of Trump saying "You're not loved!" to Piers was not lost on me. However, I did enjoy the Kodak exec telling Gene "Dude, seriously, it's not what we were asking for on the task."

BTW, Trace, I will see part of your colon missing and raise you a BSB that had HEART SURGERY AT 23. I still don't see how he didn't manage to get the wheatgrass during the day.

Gah. I can't believed I watched the whole season. And I strangely want more.
VAHokies
Omarosa has already been cast for Celeb Apprentice II. Kidding, kidding.... I hope.
telly
I know Assorama would return, but did Trump really have to let her have that moment? I notice the clip of her bashing Piers's ability as a father wasn't used.

It was a total Piers bashfest and at least he knew what his role was in this reality show, but it got to be a little much. Frankly there is no reason why this show wasn't just an hour.

The WTF moment for me was when Trump brought out the Kodak guy to show Gene how wrong he was... I didn't even care.
Rina99
I was very pleasantly surprised by the result. I thoroughly enjoyed that Piers a- called out Baldwin on his hypocrisy b- pretty much demanded that Trump either hire him or explain when the rules changed c- oh yeah, didn't let Trace get away with riding the Piers is the Anti Christ wave and falsely accusing him of belittling Trace's donors.


So much word. I mean, really, I don't care how much of a nice guy Trace is supposed to be, Piers was just better, and has been all season. And quite frankly, I ended up liking him a hell of a lot more than Trace by the end.
idledandy
Good Lord, that was too long to not end right. It would have been too long even if it had ended right!

I think the "hire" was something of a calculated move. There's going to be another celebrity season. Trump wants the people in that season to be competitive, ruthless, good for ratings. If he picks the nicest person in the world as the winner, next season is boooor-ing!

Piers actually had me rooting against wounded soldiers. I didn't mind the gloating thing when it was Omarosa, but I minded it tonight. He was a little smug during Simon's phone call, and that bit about getting the bidders drunk was low. As Trace pointed out, it didn't reflect well on the charity, either. That was a really good point. Ivanka, clearly a Trace fan, should have brought it up again in the live portion.

Also, I really don't think Piers can pull off the "I was an asshole for the troops!" bit. I think at least 70% of his motivation was pure winning, and I'm probably being charitable there.

Boo, hiss. I downloaded Trace's song. So there's a few pennies for the suffocating children!
AngleMan
I really wish they had pointed out more about the fact while Piers had made way more on the auction, 300,000 of that money came from 2 people. I really felt bad for Trace when the investment guy bid 100,000 for another item.

This was a great win for Piers' Rolodex.

I hope next season there is less focus on who you can call.
SideShow Steve
Trump: I didn't make any dummies!
Camera cues to Don Jr.
troubleinmind
As someone who lived in California for years, wheatgrass is not uncommon in the least. Perhaps it isn't on Trace's list, but, the incessant mocking as though they had asked for exotic truffles flown in from a tiny village in France was ridiculous. As has been said, Jamba juice anyone?
Also, the over the top bias was annoying. I would so much rather have them portray the two more realistically. Instead, I kept getting this passive aggressive vibe from Trace throughout and it was annoying, sort of like rage simmering under a smile that actually kept twitching in the boardroom.
While I support Trace and his raising money and awareness for a very worthy charity, to me he kept taking all the cheap shots laid out for him at Piers and had he not, maybe then I could have seen his "integrity".
I am thrilled that Piers won! He truly deserved it and at least he makes no apologies for his aggressive business nature or passion. I do actually believe he cares.

I'm also glad Carol stood up to Trump. Well done!

Well done Trump as well, even though you're an ass at least you didn't wimp out at the end!

PS: Ivanka, learn to take a joke.
pamr
The absolute best part was Assaroma's grand entrance followed by a stupid dental floss joke(?) and then her being completely ignored. Also I think its seven minutes not seven seconds.
Orihara Kaoru
rphnick:I wonder if Ivanka ever had dinner with Trace?


That seemed like a pity bid to me. It made me cringe.
magathia
Love Trace. But glad that Piers won.

Omarosa still sucks and needs to get off my TV screen and stay off of it.


ITA. This was 2 hours flushed down the toilet. What a load of crap! I should have just waited for 11:00 and just checked in here. I mean, really. How could Piers NOT win. He played the game just like I imagine Donald himself would if he were a contestant. Can't hate him for having that Rolodex. I would KILL for that Rolodex.

And I pray fervently that I never have to see Omarosa again as long as I live!
susanema
That was awful. You could see Piers biting his lip to keep from telling Trump to go fuck himself. I love Piers for no other reason than his knocking of holier than thou Stephen Baldwin. As for Gene Simmons' "moment of silence for the flag" speech? Please! He loves that America produced enough trash buying idiots to make him a rich man.

I'm sure Gene has albums full of groupie pictures from back in the pre-digital day. Of course they are all Polaroids. No wonder he's clueless about Kodak!
Orion7
I was completely disgusted by the way the Trump shut down Carol. Trump is a horrible obvious sexist. I am glad that Carol tried her best to stand up for herself.

Yes, I was glad to see that, too. She came away from this show looking good.

Trump having to finally shut Gene Simmons up was my favorite moment of the show, but who cared whether he changed his mind about the Kodak sales pitch?

I knew it was going to be bad when we got to the live showdown and there was still over 35 minutes left in the show.
footballguy
I couldn't believe that Piers won. But then I remembered that Trump is a total asshole who only cares about himself just like Piers does so it makes complete sense that he won.
peb
Ivanka probably impressed me more than anyone else this season.

I hated Trace's speech about why he should win. I hated Trace's attitude toward the BSBs. I am not a fan of them either, but their requests were not all that ridiculous. I would imagine that if he took three minutes to google wheatgrass juice and the address of the venue he could have found some (it would have been much faster than spending 20 minutes mocking them for being too girly).

I kinda wish that Piers had been given time to respond to the argument that he won because of his Rolodex. He dominated because of his Rolodex, but I think if you took that out of the equation he still would have won more than the others. He was a stronger businessman and did well in tasks where the contacts were not a factor as well. He is abrasive and harsh, but very talented and witty and has clearly managed to make some friends along the way.
rphnick
Also I think its seven minutes not seven seconds


That is what I heard as well.
MyEyesSee
that he actually IS a human being not Snidely Whiplash.

Ah, good ol' Snidely. Good times.

I hope next season there is less focus on who you can call.

Ghostbusters? (Sorry, I had to do it. Had to.) I'm so ashamed.
TVGuy88
God that was blah. I'm reminded of why I hate finales of The Apprentice(it's been a few seasons since I last watched one in detail). Gah. I will say though I really was in doubt as to who would win, went into it thinking Piers would, thought Trace would towards the end, and then was pleasantly surprised Piers did.

Omarosa sucks.
Orion7
I hated Trace's speech about why he should win. I hated Trace's attitude toward the BSBs.

Yes, he tarnished his shiny image for me tonight. Or the editing allowed us to see the tarnish in a way they hadn't before. As others have said, what's the big deal about finding black nail polish or wheatgrass juice?

Trump said, near the start of the episode, "We'll decide who wins by ticket sales, auction proceeds, and overall, how things went." In other words, Trump will decide on an emotional level, and will try to rationalize it later. I enjoyed it when Piers called Trump out by asking what exactly was the criteria for winning this crapfest.
AngleMan
I don't really have a problem with Piers winning.

As for the knee brace thing that kinda bothered me. I'm sure Trace has performed in pain. I guarantee you though when he did it' He either stood there or sat on a stool. The guy who sprained his knee had to dance with it. I do like Trace, but I do think Piers is right on the money, when he says Trace is not as nice as he appears on TV.

That being said. I bet the donations from viewers will be much more in favour to Trace's charity then it will be to Piers.
jaycbird1
Ya know, Traces homophobia really BUGGED tonight. Yes, it popped up earlier when Piers (mock) kissed him, but tonight revealed a not-so-nice side of him. I can not believe that he has never HEARD of wheat grass juice, much less make such a fuss over it. Anyway...

As hideously smug as Piers is about his Rolodex Victory, it is a victory none the less.

Trivia: during end credits, Omarassa was taking pictures on set?! Yeah, you're a celebrity... NOT!
Nely? Are you there? Tito? You too? Marilu has GOT to cut back on the caffiene or the speed or whatever it is she's ON!
tone
Gah. I can't believed I watched the whole season. And I strangely want more.
I hear ya. I'm a sucker for a train wreck that is also know as Donald Trump.

I just loved, loved at the end seeing Assorama snapping pictures with her digital camera. A real celeb wouldn't be taking the pictures; they would be IN the pictures. And with dental floss being the best thing she could come up with against Piers, I truly think her 15 minutes are FINALLY done.
Orion7
I'm reminded of why I hate finales of The Apprentice(it's been a few seasons since I last watched one in detail).

You're right. I can't remember the last one that didn't feel contrived and scripted.
kwantasy
I really wish they had pointed out more about the fact while Piers had made way more on the auction, 300,000 of that money came from 2 people. I really felt bad for Trace when the investment guy bid 100,000 for another item.

This was a great win for Piers' Rolodex.


I agree wholeheartedly. No question that Piers deserved the win, but based on the rules of the game - that is, success being almost always based on a team's Rolodex - it was his game to lose. You could combine all of the contacts the other would-be Apprentices have, and they wouldn't touch Pierce's. I'm surprised he didn't have the Queen of England calling in a bid!

That said, I don't have a huge problem with the way Piers has conducted himself throughout this game. Ideal, no. But very similar to how real, non-celebrity charity fundraisers conduct themselves and their operations, in my experience. The fundraising side of non-profit organizations is still about the bottom line. And, hey, non-profit people are people, too - imperfect.

Still, I hope the next Celebrity Apprentice (which I will definitely be watching, if there is one!) has a lot more of the Quizno's like tasks - that is, forbidding the whole Rolodex deal.
Orion7
That being said. I bet the donations from viewers will be much more in favour to Trace's charity then it will be to Piers.

It was interesting that the first soldier Trump interviewed couldn't bring himself to say that Piers was a good guy.
Fluffy Malone
The two-hour episode was horrendous, but I think the outcome was the right one. I thought Piers very much deserved the win and I'm glad he got it. I also thought Trace was starting to shine his own halo by the end, too, so I wasn't a fan of the St. Trace dedication going on through most of the episode. All's well that ends well, though.

Thank heavens Omarosa barely got any time after she went with her ill-conceived dental jabs.
paulyb84
Wow, that really didn't need to last two hours. I thought that Trace was going to win until the segment about Piers' charity at the end, when they brought out the wounded soldiers. Also, when Trump made his final comments, he praised Piers first, then Trace, and then chose Piers for the win, which is typically what he does. He addresses the about-to-be-crowned winner, then the about-to-be-named loser, and then goes back and names the winner.
Counse
What the hell was that?

I don't even know where to start what with all the filler and useless recaps.

And Trump was in 'rare form' Did anyone notice he didn't talk to Nely at all? Was she there? Also? He really is a sexist pig because when he talked to the women it wasn't to ask their opinion of who should win (like he questioned the men) and when Carol dared to call him on things, he told her she was choking. I would have choked him.

And is it just me or did this episode point out that Trace really ISN'T the nicesy guy in the world? Seriously, no. He was a whiney, petulant jerk at times. No wonder him and Stephen Baldwin got along so well - between the two of them, they got the moral high road covered, and have set up toll booths. Just because he thinks his charity is worthy (and no one disputes that) does not mean he's 'better.' Or hey, how about you WIN some big dough for your charity like Piers instead of talking about how you find Piers winning money for his charity distasteful?

That just really rubbed me the wrong way.
idledandy
I love Trace, and he's my winner. He gained a lot of fans through this, and that's great.

True. Great career move. And at least the charity got a nice amount of money and a lot of exposure. If Trumpy can give Tito $50,000 in bonus money, he can drop a few hundred g's on FAAN.
I wonder why Carol was delayed in coming out

I think it was because that was when they broke firing-order to skip Omarosa.

I loved Ivanka tonight. Her 'this is an example of the tact that you don't have' comment cracked me up.

I also liked that her father liked that. At least there's one woman in the world he respects!
I hope next season there is less focus on who you can call.

Definitely. That just wasn't a fair fight on Rolodex terms. Piers knows everybody. The auction became really unseemly. If Piers wanted to really look like a great guy, he'd have asked his moneybags friends to bid on items for the other charity too. He still could have taken credit, and it would have made the "I want both charities to have a great night" schtick look the tiniest bit true. Although I guess theoretically Trace could have benefitted from the drunk bidding, too.
ngcskate
As for the knee brace thing that kinda bothered me. I'm sure Trace has performed in pain. I guarantee you though when he did it' He either stood there or sat on a stool. The guy who sprained his knee had to dance with it. I do like Trace, but I do think Piers is right on the money, when he says Trace is not as nice as he appears on TV.


That really bothered me. Howie (the one that asked for the knee brace) performed while his sister was on her death bed. He had to fly immediately after his show to be with her. If I recall correctly, he didn't make it. Brian had surgery for a hole in his heart and was performing just a week or so after that surgery, taking breaks to go suck on oxygen to make it though the show. These guys know about performing in pain Trace, any performer does.
cagewench
Well, the guy who irked me the most won the whole thing.

That being said, he did raise a ton of money for his charity and kudos for him for that though I wish Trump would have paid more attention to Don Jr. when he made mention of the possibility that Piers may not have done so well if he had not had the advantage of his well-stuffed Rolodex.

And when Trump talked to Gene about the Kodak thing I was *really* hoping he would have checked in with Quizno's to see which sandwich has sold the best since that episode... Trace would have it, I am sure!

Nonetheless, Trace is still the winner to me ;P
troubleinmind
Piers may know a lot of celebrities, but, imho, that's a measure of his success in the "business" world. Beyond that, they seem to genuinely like him, which refutes the antichrist edit (tm someone brilliant here). No matter how many wealthy friends you may have, if you're an ass they are not going to support you.
While I would like to see less "Rolodex" challenges, I actually think this speaks to Piers' being a decent hard-working guy.

Also, I appreciate the fact that Piers can poke fun at himself while Trace seemed like he would take someone's head off if given the chance. I actually would feel much safer around Piers. At least he is upfront and though he is a sarcastic mf, he calls it like he sees it. Nice jab at the Flea Piers! And, even though he has taken shots at Lennox's sleepiness, you can see they are friends. Trace just seems so rigid. Why did this whole thing seem to take on a political slant to me?
delhigirl
No matter how many wealthy friends you may have, if you're an ass they are not going to support you.


So true, Pier's friends did support him, almost all of them. Compare and contrast with Steven Baldwin whose "friends" went and bought art from the opposing team. That was a funny moment, this apprentice has been surprisingly good, I watched most of the episodes after several seasons. The Gene Simmons episode, the Vinnie episode, the paintings episode. There were some good moments in there
cynicalbastard
I thought Piers got really beat up for no good reason and that Trace came off like a sanctimonious ass quite a few times. Piers never played this game with anything but integrity and he kicked everyobody's ass all season.I hav no idea what Trace was on about with his insinuation that Piers had somehow insulted his muisc industry friends. I didn't hear Piers say a word about them. I also got really sick of hearing Trace talk about his damn kid with the food allergies. Yeah, that's a tough thing for a family. So is having a loved one get his legs blown off in Iraq. I don't think Trace's charity was unworthy, but it was no MORE worthy than anyone else's and I got tired of hearing him act like it was.

Piers demolished Trace in this task. he demolished everyone for the whole season. Frankly, Trace didn't even deserve to be in the final 2. It should have been carol. Trace never won a task as a PM. Carol won at least 2 (maybe 3?) and Piers won so many, I lost count (and truth be told, Piers was always PM, even when he wasn't. He led every task from day one). It wasn't a personality contest it was a business contest and when all was said and done, it was no real contest at all. Even the alleged differences iin personalities were exaggerated by the editing. Like Piers said last week, he isn't really as evil as he was being portrayed and Trace isn't really as good.

I did laugh at Trace's bemused commentaries on the BSB, but I found it a little crass for him to make such a point of declaring how heterosexual he was.
netful
Wow, this finale should have been, and could have been, about 90 minutes shorter. By the time it was finally, mercifully, over, I didn't care who won, just that it was done.

Why, oh why, does Trump think that anyone cares about OhNoRosa? She is the reason I Tifaux the show and make good use of my ff button. There are plenty of other people who can bring the drama and the conflict that Trump loves so much. OhNo just brings the hate, which isn't nearly as fun to watch. Actually, it's not fun to watch AT ALL.
RedBliss
So, uh, when Trace's kids visited him, did anyone else scream, "Keep the kids away from the food!"? Just me then? *sits by Piers, adjusts horns*
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