I'm not 100% sure about where's the best place to post this, but lately, when watching the show, dvds, I've been paying attention to who's drinking coffee... I've noticed that there seems to suggest that if someone is drinking coffee, they are the third wheel of the a love triangle. If you will, the over all placement of coffee, and who serves it, verses who drinks it is suggestive. Although, I'm sure it's not foolproof, but fun.

Lana - the main LI for Clark Kent, owns a coffee house.
Chloe - the girl who loves Clark Kent, drinks a lot of coffee and says she will not serve it.
Lex - I've never seen him drink coffee, but the one time Lana serves him incorrectly. (Although he does order it from time to time.)
Lois - worked at the Talon Coffee house, serving coffee. She steals a cup from Martha in S4, which establishes her immediately in my mind, as the third wheel in the Kent house.
Clark - offers to by Whitney a cup of coffee, hardly touches the stuff himself. In S6 cut scene, he approaches Chloe with a cup of coffee. He gives up feeling like the third wheel in the Chloe/Jimmy/Clark triangle when Chloe accepts.
Bo - He's the third wheel in the Martha/Bo/Lionel triangle.
Lionel - why drink coffee when he's got this fine scotch instead?

So, am I reaching too far here? It's just been interesting in seeing a coffee connection.

Sue, I love the coffee theory. Very fascinating. I don't recall ever seeing Lex drink coffee either, except that time when Lana serves him the coffee with whipped cream.

That is distrating. Lex with whipped cream!

I don't think that drink was coffee - maybe a latte of some sort. At any rate, I think screencaps show Lex with a cup of coffee in the next episode.

And I thought of another coffee referrence. I think. I'm not sure if she ordered a double latte or cappuchino. Doesn't Chloe order a double cappuchino from Lois in Tomb? Lois prepares and serves the drink. The first triangle is Chloe/Clark/Lois, where Chloe is the third wheel. The second triangle is Chloe/Gretchen/Mikey. The double cap identifies Chloe as the third wheel in two love triangles.

I think I have a hard time viewing either one of those choices as a love triangle. Mikey is the reason Gretchen is dead and she wants to kill him and Chloe isn't around until its over and IMO if anyone was the third wheel (out of the loop or not in the know) it was Lois. She would get sent away so Clark and Chloe could really talk, though I guess following your theory of whoever has the coffee is the third wheel, she does get sent to get the coffee one of those times. Interesting.

Bkwurm you're right. It's not a *love* triangle. I think I was going for just triangle. I shouldn't post stuff so late. Sigh.



I like this take on the situation. It's actually Lois that offers to make it a double and I don't think Lois actually hands over the coffee to Chloe at all. Since she's stuck with the cup, maybe so.

moving a discussion over from the Siren thread:





I was watching Vessel the other night and noticed that when Lionel came over to the Kent house Martha was uncomfortable (in part because he knew Clark's secret). She goes to get a cup of coffee and spills it all over the counter. He helps her clean it up.
Sue Denim's coffee as a symbol of a love triangle theory is getting a little more weight every time a watch an episode! (I think it was Sue Denim who started this idea. If I'm wrong please correct me.)

Thanks for the compliments on the coffee pattern I posted here, responding to Omar G Siren's recap. I already posted some observations on this thread a few days ago, if you want to read the responses. There's probably more in canon that can be used, but in general:

Lana - the main LI for Clark Kent, owns a coffee house.

Chloe - the girl who loves Clark Kent, drinks a lot of coffee and says she will not serve it.

Lex - I've never seen him drink coffee, but the one time Lana serves him incorrectly. (Although he does order it from time to time.)

Lois - worked at the Talon Coffee house, serving coffee. She steals a cup from Martha in S4, which establishes her immediately in my mind, as the third wheel in the Kent house.

Clark - offers to buy Whitney a cup of coffee, hardly touches the stuff himself. In S6 cut scene, he approaches Chloe with a cup of coffee. He gives up feeling like the third wheel in the Chloe/Jimmy/Clark triangle when Chloe accepts.

Bo - He's the third wheel in the Martha/Bo/Lionel triangle.

Lionel - why drink coffee when he's got this fine scotch instead?

Chlarkolate - I guess it's my observation, but I don't claim it to be fool proof. Sometimes coffee is just coffee. Not sure what to make about your Vessel comment.

I'm watching Cold, which you could argue, Clark is trying to make up his mind about Chloe v Lana: Beginning of the episode, Clark is with Chloe for the Crater Lake party, discourages her about Sean. Middle of the episode, Clark goes on a just as friends non-date with Lana. Ending, Lana seems to return to Whitney, after suffering third wheel status from both Clark and Lex.

Lana - left in a coffee house by Clark, twirls spoon in cup.
Chloe - accepts the promise of coffee, Clark tries to serve coffee, she doesn't touch the cup.
Lana - holding coffee mug at Lex's mansion

So .... for the slower kids in the class. Giving coffee is offering love? Accepting coffee is accepting love? And being the third wheel means you are not loved?

If you drink coffee, you're the third wheel: That's the big thing. If you serve coffee, it means you're helping someone be a third wheel. It's just a fun idea more or less, it's not meant to be too analytical.

Thanks....I'll have to watch coffee signals now!

I actually buy this theory. In thirst, it shows Clana walking together then a clip to Chloe drinking a cup of coffee, showing she's the third wheel to them.

I gotta say that I think the observation that offering nourishment whether it be coffee or food could mean something on the show is truly brilliant. But, I have big reservations about the third wheel interpretation. I think offering food or drink could represent offering someone affection/care or if people are partaking together, it could mean a shared affection, but i don't see the third wheel aspect.

The person I associate most strongly with coffee or food in general is not Lana, but Martha. Martha was often in her kitchen pouring a cup and she managed the Talon. But, I equally associate Martha with cooking because she baked and sold her goods for a long time. If food/drink represent giving emotionally then that would make sense because Martha was the most affectionate and giving person on the show who loved to take care of other people.

This week, Ollie offered Nois a romantic dinner this week before he invited her to be with him and last week, Lana prepared an elaborate dinner for Bizarro because he was the new, more open and affectionate Clark. This reminded me of how Clark prepared an elaborate meal for Lana when he was going to tell her his secret and then it all went to waste when he changed his mind. Clark invited Pete over for a sharks dogs that he could offer him because Pete knew his secret.

People have observed that Chinese food usually harbingers a change in romantic relationship. Jason brought Lana chinese when she was betraying him, Lex took Lana to chinese food right after she broke up with Clark , Jimmy brought chinese to Kara before he and Chloe broke up.

The coffee thing couldn't only be about romance and being a third wheel because I can remember Chloe offering a cup of coffee to Lana when Lana was complaining about some guy situation and the two of them drinking coffee together. Although I thinking about how Chlark drank coffee together when Clark held her hand in Crush and then the next episode invited her to the Spring formal and how Alicia and Clark drank hot chocolate together on their skating date.

This idea is making me re-evaluate every food/drink scene in the show. I'm going to have to back out and wait until other people propose their own theories on the idea because it is too overwhelming right now to think about all the 7 seasons to see if there is really something here or not. But it does seem like there might be.

Regarding coffee. It strikes me that drinking coffee allows the actor something to do as they sit on the periphery of a scene, and an excuse to be in the scene alone. Could this have something to do with what you have observed?

Sure Blank Panda, I would agree with that, but if you watch, a lot of the time, the coffee is not touched. I give extra weight if there's actual holding of coffee or we see drinking. Or if one character is handing coffee to another, there's enabling and escaping from third-wheelness.

Extras in a scene I do not count, they have to be actual characters in relationships. I also think you have to consider the characters that ask for coffee: When Gabe Sullivan offered to buy the Talon and was refused, I thought that was significant too, because Lana would not let Chloe become third-wheel enabler to the rest of the show.

Basically, when I watch SV and coffee comes up, I'm usually sitting there thinking, "Don't drink that if you know what's good for you." But I don't want it to be too academic, because I don't expect there to be consistancy across the board, nor do I really want that.

Interesting! Clark also brought chow mein to Lana in her dorm room (I think she was trying to hide her investigations about the black spaceship from him) and Lana brought egg fu yung for lunch with Jason just as he was getting ready to skip out on her: "--if I'd stayed around for the Peking duck, you'd have, what? Been gone?"



Definitely Bo & his cow mug. Also, those wonderful Beanery days when Lana served Lex the wrong beverage in that funky mug with the whipped cream. And Adam "there's a LOT goin' on in that cup" Knight.

Whoa. First coffee, now Chinese food. The random signifigances show in Smallville. Sue Denim, I still love the coffee theory.


That one is especially interesting as it relates to the coffee theory. I mean, he became involved in a love triangle (Clark/Lana/Adam), but in addition, there was a lot going on with him in addition to the triangle, which led to complications in the triangle.

Not necessarily true, though. Clark brings Lana Chinese food at the beginning of Splinter, and nothing happened to them until much later. Lex and Lana also had Chinese the night before the events of Vessel occurred, and they were already together.

If you're talking about Fragile, they went to eat Japanese.

Well, except Clark imagined Lana cheating on him with Lex and went nuts and stalked her in Splinter. But that's quibbling, of course.

Then Zod shows up and wants Lana to be his consort. Bit of a stretch...But stay away from the Chinese food.

Don't forget the calls to Chloe's desk at the Planet in Reckoning for egg rolls when Clana got engaged.

Or how Clark/Lex/Lana went to China - but I understand Chinese food in China is just food.

Last night I rewatched Hypnotic and freaked out on the coffee:

Clark drinks coffee! Of course, you know what happens with Lana/Clark at the end, right? Lex blackmails Simone to seduce Clark, so Lex gains the upper hand in the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle.

To top it off, Brainic says, "I didn't come here for the coffee!" to Lex!

Whoa!
This theory is getting interesting!

A request was made for a food-related thread, based on the possible significance of coffee when used as a prop. I thought a general symbolism thread might serve a broader purpose. You can discuss the coffee thing here, as well as how the show uses color, lighting, and other props to signify or symbolize important details.

General symbolism works for me, so thank you Tennison for starting the thread. I hope it's appropriate to ask, but could some of the posts be moved into here too?

If you let me know where the posts are, or at least where they start, I'll move them. You can send me a PM.

Brilliant thread title, Tennison. :)

Black Panda in the FreakWatch thread:



I have no idea what this may mean in terms of the sexana scene, but I find it very interesting how different jewelry in the episodes highlights certain major themes of the series. First, necklaces. In the Pilot, we see the affects of Lana's kryptonite necklace for the first time. Chloe says that "Clark Kent can't get within five feet of Lana Lang without turning into a total freakshow." It was always my impression that the events of the first few seasons of clana got the order backwards on the necklace--that, rather than Clark crushing on Lana for his entire life and getting weird feelings and tripping on himself when he got near her due to the necklace, it was these weird topsy-turvy feelings that the necklace created that convinced him that he had feelings for her in the first place. Meaning that he mistook the literal poison of her presence for feelings of love--that he was attracted to his own poison.

The other principal necklace that shows up is Simone's in "Hypnotic." (At least, I can't remember any others.) The symbolism of that is obvious. So it seems to me that in both cases, the necklace symbolizes delusion.

Two bracelets are prominent in the show, that I can remember--the soulmate bracelet from season three and Kara's bracelet. The soulmate bracelet seems to represent destiny, while Kara's bracelet seems to represent heritage. Though a difference seems to be manifest, in that the first represents the future and the second represents the past, I think that "fate" seems to be the symbolic meaning of the bracelet in general.

I think that rings may represent sacrifice. In "Reckoning," the engagement ring marks the turning of the event that results in the sacrifice of Jonathan's life. The plastic gumball ring in "Labyrinth" is part of a delusion that Clark almost sacrifices his life for. The blue kryptonite ring enables Clark to sacrifice his powers. Perhaps it's with the engagement/wedding ring from "Fracture" that Lex sacrifices his autonomy? That seems too obvious, so maybe others have some thoughts. The same ring was prominent in "Phantom," and of course in "Hydro" Lana sacrifices her feelings for Clark to be with Lex. What would Clark be sacrificing in "Phantom"? His moral compass, perhaps? I don't know. Or maybe it's supposed to symbolize Lana giving up her twu wuv (*vomits a little in mouth*) in order to escape Lex. But it's significant to remember that sacrifice does not have to mean self-sacrifice; one can also sacrifice another, intentionally or unintentionally.

Thoughts?

Wow, really good ideas. I like the ring=trap OR ring=sacrifice. I can see both. They told us bracelet= soulmate directly but I could see the fate angle too. Finally necklace=delusion. I'm not so sure. Because Lex gave Kara a necklace for tracking. Perhaps necklace=attraction.

Let me through out a few more pieces of jewelry to mull over.

Necklaces are VERY associated with Lana to me, and her power. The show explicitly draws the parallel with Simone's hypnotic necklace and Lana's necklace. Angel of Vengance had a kryptonite necklace from her dead mom (I wondered if she could have foreshadowed vengeful Lana). Lex gives Kara a GPS tracking necklace (it's sending out vibes that enable him to stalk her).

Bracelets are more with Chloe. I'm not a braceleteer, but I'm sure one is around. Alicia had the lead bracelet that enabled her to be trusted as Clark's girlfriend by stopping her from teleporting. It seemed odd to me that Dax Ur was wearing a Blue K bracelet. But Kryptonian's are supposed to be into the bracelets I think, instead of wedding rings.

The red K ring may fit in somewhere too.

I prefer bracelets because I think you can correlate it with hands/handholding and thus partnership. Remembering that Kayla from "Skinwalker" had the bracelet that had a symbol for Namaan's woman. It doesn't really surprise me that bracelets are tied to Krypton at all, assuming that there's actual truth in the legend.

Gruffy Indian man (whose name I forget) really makes a show about Clark giving that bracelet to the "true one" in his life.

Also, Jor-El while on Earth left his necklace in the cave, so I wonder if there's anything to that.

Dr. Joseph Willowbrook

Yes, the Bracelet IMO seems to be fate, partnership and such. Everyone, except Lana, who's dated Clark had a bracelet of some sort. But I do believe flat line. Bracelet means love.


Honestly I think Rings would be the Anti-Bracelet. The opposite. Like, giving a ring means you making the wrong choice. Lex gave a ring to Lana, Clark gave a ring to Lana. All were wrong choices. Clark puts on the red ring which we all know is wrong. I mean, it's sort of funny, you hardly see Jonathan and Martha discuss their own wedding rings, but they did emphasize cuff links and watches, stuff associated with the wrist.

Necklaces, IMO represents a lot of things. I don't think they have anything special. Lana wore her necklace, Alica made a redK necklace, Martha had a pearl necklace for the funeral. Jor-El had his necklace. So to me, Necklace is the plot device of jewelry. Wait... separation. I think Necklaces represent separation. Lana's separated her and Clark. Jor-El lost Louise when wearing it, so experienced separation. Martha wore it knowing she lost Jonathan forever. Alicia almost lost Clark because of the RedK, but the necklace took Clark away from his morals. Kara was kidnapped after getting a necklace from Lex.

So:
Bracelets = Love
Rings = Lust/ wrong choice
Necklaces = Separations

Dax-Ur's choice to don the bracelet was made because he gave up his powers to be with the woman he loved. Dax-Ur knew that he was supposed to give up his powers for his beloved in a heartbeat. The idea of bracelets equaling fate is strong here as well. I think it's interesting that the spoiler originally said that Dax-Ur was depowered because of a BlueK ring. But it wasn't a ring, even though there was a precedent for Kryptonian men having rings made from BlueK. It was a bracelet. Signifigant? Maybe?

Lana's also separated her from her parents, in a literal since, what with it being from the big meteor that pancaked them.

Bracelets also cover Chloe's scars: Sometimes love is painful.

Honestly if there isn't pain, then you know there isn't Love. IMO Love hurts.

Ok, I had another symbolism. At the DP, the nameplates. This season there was more Nameplates then ever. In gemini there is scene like this:
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Nameplate of Lois Lane associated with Chloe.

But then I researched and noticed something in Blue:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/aq..._blue_317-1.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/aq..._blue_426-1.jpg

The name plate Jared Naiman was in association with Lois. Jared is an offshoot of a Hebrew name that means "To Fall" Naiman is Mongolian for the number 8.

Now, the nameplate would then said "To Fall 8" In association with Lois, I concluded it meant, "Lois is to fall in 8"

In Blue we saw Lois's character reach a low point, choosing a relationship with her boss over her career. In a sense, Lois character fell in the eyes of certain viewers. Blue was the 8th episode of the season.

By request, posts about coffee and Chinese food have been moved from other threads. Have fun!

From the Chlois thread:



I appreciate your opinion here, but I do disagree:

Any woman mentioned in the Bible by name has huge significance, because women are not well represented. The Chloe in 1 Cor supported Paul in his missionary work, and fellow believers, possibly the apostles themselves and as such, actively participated in a salvation message and religion that did change the course of the world.

If there is a symbolic representation for using the name Chloe by SV writers, (and I agree, that's a big one) then I feel that Biblical Chloe would be a better choice because Bible stories are better known, IMO. I can't think of a pastorial Chloe in terms of changing the world: I can with the Bible and the people represented in it. She gives him support in terms of love and financial (pro-bono) help.

You also have some that would argue that Clark has Jesus like qualities, (an idea I avoid). Is it completely irrational to say the SV!Chloe provides SV!Clark with the support needed so he can save the world, in a pattern that mirrored what is written in scripture?

Additionally, Biblical Lois (2. Tim 1:15) was a teacher to her grandson Timothy and probably also provide Paul support to the message of salvation in his work as a missionary. Two Biblical women in the background providing support to the Savior with their faith.

What is known, (or at least what I think I know) is that Chloe Sullivan was created as the Lois Lane pre-curser. It would make sense to pick a name for this character that could somewhat match the symbolic undertones in the name Lois. If the writers so wanted to make such a correlation, it works for me.

Heh! Of course, this is the obvious explanation...




Excellent argument! We are inserting a hyphen to seperate out the verses between 4-9. These verses, as mentioned, are often read at weddings, about love and what love should look like. But what is overlooked is that these verses explain the preceding verses and chapter in terms of Spiritual Gifts. (SV style think Physical Gifts). 1 Cor 12, I put exta emphasis on verses 1-7 which flows into 1 Cor 13.

The verses 13:4-8 (9) actually provide context and understanding to the previous chapter and verses. They were never meant to be read separated from the whole. Basically, Paul is saying, that you can be given all the gifts in the world, but if your not using them on a foundation of an unselfish love, their purpose is loss, IMO.

This idea can be applied in SV in regards to the powers MF have and how they use them. Chloe uses her gifts with love, per the defination of love in 1 Cor 13:4-8 (9).

Thus ends my argument that Chloe's namesake is Biblical, but YMMV.

As a Chloiser - I think the time of death is coincidental and nothing to do with biblical references. If some quote or some mention of the bible had been used in that episode, I'd consider if much more, but as it is, I just don't think it the time of death has any greater meaning (and if I did, I'd look for that meaning in Superman lore before looking to the bible).

I am loving this thread.

In the Bible-Chloe conversation:

Given that Superman was created by two Jewish men, with Clark Kent being a bit of a stereotype of the Jewish man at the time and Superman being inspired by the Golem story(IIRC), wouldn't basing Chloe on a New Testament character be a bit of a slap in the face of the creators? Wait this is Smallville.

In the two times that Chloe played the friends card with Clark, she was wearing very prominent necklaces and they were similar in style both times. (I'm thinking of after the tornado and then in Zod during "it was the end of the world" speech.)



Well in the pilot episode Clark was hung up as the Scarecrow, an image that clearly brought to mind Jesus on the stake so I wouldn't say that who created Superman would stop anyone at Smallville from dabbling in Biblical refrences.



Perhaps, but when the hospital recorded Chloe's time of death as 13:49, I know I found it a little odd that they did it in military time and this whole possible connection came up from a conversation generated from discussions about what kind of love was between Clark and Chloe and what their actions in Bizarro signified and so while a coincidence exists certainly, there are some that don't beliveve in coincidence.

For now, I'm still waiting on confirmation, but it's very interesting to say the least.

"By request, posts about coffee and Chinese food have been moved from other threads. Have fun!"

Aw thanks Tennison! [Plugs in coffee maker and microwave] From S7:E12 Fracture 02-14-08 We all know that "Linda" wasn't a sweet waitress friend of Lex's that he just wanted to help; he absolutely intended to use her to his advantage. On the other hand, Lex really feels deeply about her saving him (thanks to the first image in his mind of her), and I think he truly hopes that in the end he can have some kind of honest relationship with her. At the last scene she had invited him to meet her at the Talon, so she now knows that she is not Linda but Kara. She knows that Lex knew or suspected her true identity, but she wasn't angry with him for not speaking up sooner, AND she accepted his offer of coffee!

When Linda/Kara offered Lex coffee and pie, he accepted both! [Tries not to think naughty thoughts]

I asked Steven Deknight specifically about accessories on his blog back on 04/21/06



His reply


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...0676&page=3

I don't know if SDK was telling the truth and he didn't see any relationship btw the accessories and symbolism or if he just didn't want to share. I still continue to think there is a connection btw the accessory chosen and its symbolism. Savingpeoplething and I did an essay on the topic for Carboncopy that hopefully will go up on the site eventually. I guess certain accessories could be chosen for a reason that SDK wasn't aware, like if Almiles suggest certain items be used to the writers without explanation. SDK didn't know what was with all the cheeks in "Onyx." That was something I saw someone else noticed and posted about on Ksite. Lex pats his fencing partner on her butt cheek, he caresses Lana's cheek before kissing her, Clark brushes Chloe's cheek as he is inspecting her injury, Lex cut Lionel's cheek with his sword, and Lex bruises Clark's cheek when he punches him with the Kryptonite ring on. The person noticed an overabundance of touching of cheeks in that episode and I agree that it seems a bit much to be accidental, but it could have been purely the director's choice to have the actors do that (for some reason) and not something intended by SDK's script and not even noticed by SDK, the writer and a co-producer, in the final product.

Chloe is wearing a necklace and rings when she kisses Clark in season 1. I don't see a bracelet, but I could be wrong.



Massena1 I once talked to KKB (Kevin Kelly Brown) a producer of Roswell about some of the theories about that show, and he had the just about the same answer. They no not what they do: That's sort of why I believe a fans interpretation over a producers. Sigh - :-(.



Lex/Kara/Jimmy seems to be a triangle in action - or building to that point. I thought it was more interesting to watch Lex drink coffee at the diner in "Fracture". But, this is Lex we're talking about, so I'm not so sure about the sincerity of his interest in Kara/Linda, or the accuracy of the memory. There's a lot of what ifs on that one.

OTOH - if you go back to S1 and the Beanery, Lex drinks a hell of a lot more coffee. I just got down watching Shimmer and aside from the very obvious gay subtext from Clark, it was riddle with coffee drinker's blues:

Chloe - Clark/Chloe drink coffee together watching Lana and Whitney fight. How does that work out Chloe? We'll, you tell Clark to pursue Lana with caution, even though Clark is on top of your speeddail.

Clark - Well, you almost locked lips with Lana didn't you? But you decided against things when you learned about Whitney's father's heart condition. BDA.

Lex - okay, how does Boobs McChesty win this one? I guess Lex does choose Victoria over Clark. And Lex's life is at stake in the end. Honestly, I don't know if you can have Lex in a relationship triangle, but certainly, Lex experiences bad news in the end.

So moral? Don't drink the coffee!


Seriously, "Shimmer" is up there on the coffe idea.

SueD - It's all unintentional? Could be. It could also be the contribution of AlMiles or someone else on the show other than the writers. Beeman gave a very different impression about how much attention they give to wardrobe selection and its symbolism.

2004 Kryptonsite interview with Greg Beeman:

So...grey of Fracture is coming back from black?

Heh. If it means Lois is to fall in 8 I'd assume it's referring to season 8 rather than episode 8. But while we're on the subject of hidden or implied meaning I think it's worth pointing out that on this show the numeral eight is often used to symbolize Clark and the house of El. So it could also be "To fall [for] Clark." Personally I doubt that's the meaning. I mean why employ such an obscure anvil about Lois falling for Clark when you can just hit the audience over the head with painfully obvious ones?

Whilst re-watching all the Season 7 episodes I noticed the MONSTER sized necklace on Chloe in "Kara". That was after I had already squinted suspiciously at the screen during the opening talk b/w Clark and Lois. Specifically, Lois says Clark should have taken up Chloe's offer to hang out at the Talon with her. There has been dialog about how Clark told Lois he was leaving and not Chloe. To me, it became evident between the Lois comment and the monster necklace that Clark did tell Chloe he was leaving (before Lois arrives and says she's off to the flood damage area). Either the scene was deleted or never filmed but I think it was planned. I think it was planned to the point that wardrobe (who is probably the ONLY one who intentionally contributes like this) decided to give Chloe a big "necklace 'o separation" for this planned or deleted scene.

What got me on this line of thinking was when re-watching "Bizarro", I remembered Clark's "There's nothing left for me here" moment from the previews that never made it to the episode. Having "Bizarro" end with Clark's decision and then "Kara" start with him telling Chloe he's leaving makes sense to me. They probably decided that they didn't need two "Clark says goodbye" scenes and cut the Chlark. Perhaps it was too much of a downer or a non-sequitor because it needed more emotional depth. I can see TPTB saying "we can't break up Chlark in a teaser!". We'll leave it to offscreenville rather than make a mess of it. And yes, Clark leaving for training for a while is at least a mini-Chlark breakup of their friendship IMO.

I thought the Chloe's necklace in Kara represent separation from her Journalistic fire?

Am I the only one who thinks that items really only mean much when the show denotes them?

Such as I don't think necklaces represent distance at all; I think they represent influence over someone, typically Clark. This doesn't mean everyone with a necklace can control him or harm him. But they go out of their way to note them; Lana's kryptonite necklace and we all know her control over him, Andrea's necklace of kryptonite where she tries to presure him to kill, Alicia's redk necklace to pressure him into marriage, Simone's thought control necklace in s5, I would probably include Patty Swann's locket from the promo photos. Clark becoming Lana focused again in s6 where the deleted scenes have Martha giving Lana a necklace - those denotion periods of thse necklace wearers taking control away. Lex's GPS locket he gives to Kara to gain her favor.

Bracelet/Watches being linked to the past/family. Lex's watch which has Lillian's influence which he lost twice in series; Clark's father's watch which he lost and regained. Chloe's bracelet which took so many years to be returned to her. Kara's bracelet which was Lara's that Lex now has.

Wardrobe is intentional, obviously, and I do think props and accessories are too - but I guess what I'm asking is if I'm alone in thinking that it's the ones the show specifies and makes plot points of are the ones to keep our eyes on and with rather than just anytime they show up. Yeah to some degree there is repetition (the use of a color scheme for the core four) but at the same time I think it's the time it's use as a plot point which denotes how important [or not] something is.

Fair point about whether or not they are called out. Again, it was the ginormousness of the necklace which struck me as unusual for Chloe.

Not at all. Sometimes, as the saying - and thread title - goes, a necklace is just a necklace. Unless it's more, like the one you've pointed out, and those are the ones that really mean something. Otherwise, I really do think it's just the wardrobe people thinking it's something funky that'll go along with Chloe's latest outfit. She's always been one for big accessories.


I've always thought big necklaces were a Chloe thing. She doesn't wear them all the time, but I'm pretty sure they've been around at least as far back as S2.

I was thinking that maybe we should count the clues according to who writes the episode. Maybe some writers are the ones that like to use a visual cue while others don't.

Would the writers even really have a say over who wears what, unless it's a specific plot point? I'd think that's wardrobe's department based on what's happening in the episode.