If Trump could bend the rules to keep all four of the losers, why couldn't he bend the rules and fire one of the winners?

*sigh* Why do I even fucking bother?

How Hydra won that task is beyond comprehension-unless it was a testament to the power of the contacts of Piers.

Good thing Trump fired no one from Empressario. No one performed worse than anyone else.

I don't know why I watched this, especially when Assorama was so horrible throughout. Insulting his kids? What kind of behaviour is that? Sure Piers was getting pissed, but I don't blame him because she was getting in his face and since she is not a guy, he couldn't smack for the insults.

Trump should have just fired her on the spot. Oh wait, they want ratings and will keep her. While Piers was an ass with Stephen and Vinnie, he didn't deserve that kind of verbal assault from her.

I missed a few minutes, but did she really insult his kids or insult him for his (lack of) relationship with them?

Technically, the latter. It's still indefensible behavior, of course.

I agree that was deplorable. Even I know that crosses a line. Omarosa even admitted she was hitting under the belt.

Wasn't she accused of sabotaging Kwame in the final challenge of S1? This sabotage attempt was just beyond the pale.

Now I wish that Piers had hit back with a quip about her cuckolded (ex-)husband.

OMFG.

Okay. So, Trump changed the rules. Hands up, how many people say that it was the *right* change for once? He couldn't bring himself to fire somebody on the winning team, and he in good conscience (for whatever that's worth to The Donald) couldn't fire anybody on the losing team, so...

But God, Assorama's frelling CRAZY... Piers was right, you don't mess around with the other person's family, that's just wrong. I'm almost surprised DT didn't can her ass then and there. I mean, damn. We've gone from stone-cold bitch to just plain... bitch. Hell, ask Lennox, you hit below the belt, you're disqualified.

Omarosa really is a piece of scum. We heard her repeatedly swear throughout the episode and then when Piers calls her on it she scoffs and adds "I don't use such language." Please. I know Trump thinks she's good TV, but she's just disgusting to watch. She undermines everything the show is supposed to be about, which is winning the task. Even when she's PM, she's more concerned with finding a scapegoat to blame a potential loss on than actually winning.

She was insulting him...over and over and over, by saying he was a lousy father to his kids, etc. She was really annoying and I'm surprised Carol and Lennox didn't get further involved.

I think Piers wanted to punch her in the face. I know I did!

Nothing to see here!

She didn't attack his kids directly but she attacked him through his kids. she admitted in her private interview she went below the belt. I think Piers just pulled in every contact he had and went all out. Omarosa knew she was going to get fired so she decided to flame out it was disgusting. This was a game for charity and she turned it ugly and personal.

Was Piers a jerk? Sure did he deserve that? No.

It is difficult for me to reconcile that behavior with higher ratings. But I accept that even though it made me slightly nauseous, there are folks who find it entertaining. She's learned the oldest trick in the book and wore it out tonight: When someone is upset, just continue to laugh, it eventually inflames them. And even sadder, the others can't even tell the truth, because they know at any time they may have her as a teammate. She has successfully castrated them all.

Assorama did the same thing to Janice Dickinson on Surreal Life. Only Janice was actually pretty fragile and really wigged. Piers didn't, and that's why she had to keep escalating. You could see her lips get all drawn and tight when she was spitting her poison. Piers was exactly right - she raised no pledges, knew she would be toast with a clear-cut trip to the boardroom, and was just trying to shift the target in her usual venomous manner.

I agree, for once Trump bent the rules in the right direction. The only better outcome would have been calling Assorama back into the boardroom and sending her packing.

Ugh, that wasn't even fun. Omarosa is just vile. Piers (gee, hope I spelled it right!) can be abrasive, but he's not a vindictive petty sociopath.

Holy hell, how is she allowed to walk around? How has nobody ever busted her teeth in? What does she do when she's not on crap reality shows posturing and playing the supervillain? I really don't understand how nobody has wrung her neck yet. Is winning a stupid reality show (that she's already failed on) THAT important to her? That's just really really sad.

It's not like I look for tv shows to be morality tales, far from it. But damn, there ARE lines that decent human beings don't cross.

And her little habit of just chattering on the whole time someone criticizes her- I really really don't get it. I don't casually wish violence on people but damn. Bitch needs to swallow a mouthful of her own teeth a time or two.

Piers should have given her the job of shoveling the horseshit.

Congratulations Johnny Fairplay you are no longer the most disgusting reality presence ever.

So true. I'm one of those people who wasn't all that bothered by her - at worse, she merely annoyed me. But tonight, I was rooting for somebody - ANYBODY! - to whip her ass. She did this same thing with Janice Dickerson. You don't...talk...about...people's...kids. How hard is that to understand!? As hard as she CLAIMS to be, you can't tell me that she doesn't know that "yo' mama" is the fastest way to get your ass kicked?

She's just so horrible. And SHAMELESS. Who the hell would want to hire this woman after a show like this? A woman (and I'm using that term very loosely) who expends her energy on nothing but creating havoc?

WTF was that? I am just STUNNED that Hydra won, it had to be a setup.

and then no one gets fired? What a waste of time. Omarosa has hit new levels of insufferable.

Gah. Nails on the chalkboard is more soothing than the sound of Omarosa. The next loss she's a part of, here's hoping her teammates finally stand up and push her out or Donald finally pulls rank. How is berating him about the situation with his kids going to help her stay alive?

Too bad about Hydra's loss but I'm glad that sticking together, even though they're now stuck with the Ass. And more dammit, if Dirty Sexy Money won't be back on the fall, please get Billy on this show as much as possible.

Finally...good thing Jenna's work doesn't involve in having good legs. My word, they looked like matchsticks in those tights.

This is a game for charity, I cannot believe these people let Omarosa get to them. They aren't trying to please a tough boss to keep a job to feed their kids, they are supposed to be having funny for charity. For Lennox to say Omarosa scares him and he wants to stay on her good side is really really sad.

Omarosa is just horrible. She didn't seem so bad at the beginning of the season but to be in Peirs' face so much was way over the top. I wouldn't have blamed him if he bitch slapped her. Personally, I would have ignored her, his response fed her and made it worse, if everyone acted like she was invisible she would have looked like an idiot (not that she didn't already but Piers looked rattled as well). In reality, it is hard to just walk away.

For a second there I thought I had accidently clicked on the Survivor forum! Phew. I have dial up. Don't do that to me!

Assmorosa was on Fear Factor. She admitted that the dirty play was part of her strategy to throw people off their game. I am wondering though if she would be better off saving it for the board room.

I do love how the losing team stuck together in the BR. No one got thrown under the bus.

What impressed me was the fact that no one from Empressario would throw one of their own under the bus. They stood united despite the loss. Trump did the right thing.

Poor driver guy waiting...and waiting.

Oh my god, that was disgusting. I'm not a fan of Piers, but I was rooting for him against Omarossa tonight. Just ugh.

Trace = ::heart:: I hope he wins.

I'm so bad. I laughed at that part, especially when he was looking around with a WTF expression.

This is very true. Similar criticism was made on Celebrity Fit Club. Dustin Diamond was just so obnoxious and over the top that ignoring him was impossible. Even when the cast DID ignore him, the producers would just stir up shit to get it all going again. ("Dustin, what do you think about this event that has absolutely nothing to do with you?") And it wasn't NEARLY as bad as what I saw tonight. Absolutely, utterly vile.

I'm a writer by trade, so I understand the power of words...and so do people like Omarosa. And as much as we say things like "they're just words" and "sticks and stones", that simply isn't the case. As my senior editor told me, "Words hurt people. Words hurt people. WORDS HURT PEOPLE."

I felt like I was watching a 5-year-old, watching Assorama - "That's what you are, what am I?" I just wish they had lost so the Donald could have fired her. My blood is STILL boiling, and the stupid show's been over for 45 minutes.

I do think Piers' initial plan was brilliant - "if we lose, I'm bringing in whoever raised the least amount of money." And, of course, Assoramo is a wannabe famewhore, with absolutely NO contacts and brought $0 into the pot. The only thing Assorama's got to show for her "fame" is her new boobies, which she is always very happy to flaunt in those fugly outfits she insists on wearing. It would have worked, if they had only lost.

I give Piers credit though - I seriously would have smacked her ass into next week.

I gotta tell you I was really afraid Donald was going to send Piers packing if they had lost. He's got some blind spot when it comes to Omarosa. I've hated her ever since she sabotaged poor Kwame and then lied about it. As someone upthread pointed out she's really harming herself because who is going to hire her.

She was so unrelenting tonight that I was so uncomfortable for Piers.

There are certain low-class sorts of people who realize that in certain circumstances they can get away with being absolute assholes, and take advantage of it to be as asshole-y as possible.

Because Omarosa allegedly has a vagina, she knew she could say those sorts of things without getting slugged. Because this isn't a real company, she could refuse to shut up or leave when she was fired without fear of being escorted from the premises by security.

In the real world, someone like Piers (or almost anyone else for that matter) would not have to put up with that sort of conduct. But in this artificial situation, she can behave that was with impunity.

She has one note, and that note is to be cunt with a calm voice.

Hopefully, now that this show is apparently going to be an on-going franchise, some potential "celebrities" that Trump is courting will refuse to do the show if it means being subjected to behavior like this.



She doesn't care about getting hired, she cares about getting cast, and she believes (probably rightly) that given the courseness of our culture, that this behavior is beneficial, and she's probably right.

I've never been a fan of this word to describe a woman... but I think when it comes to her. That word is an UNDERSTATEMENT!

Best way to watch this show was on the DVR. I managed to fast foward past anything featuring Omarosa and Piers. Got the episode done in 30 minutes flat.

I do not find them entertaining.

Ironically, cunt is the only word I could think of to describe Omarosa - and I'm not a fan of that word at all.

And why was her ass smiling at the victory, as if she had ANYTHING to do with it? If anything, it shows how well Carol, Lennox and Piers can work even with a cancer like Omarosa causing so much trouble.

I know they're doing this for ratings, but this is just not fun to watch at all.

Right. I almost don't care who wins.

While I still think much of the whole Piers - Assarosa drama is done just fo the show, I also get a strong sense that much of the behavior is rather easy to come by and the two really enjoy disliking each other immensely. I was surprised that Piers didn't go for Assarosa's jugular and point out the dry husk she calls her womb isn't quite the desired target for a whole lot of men's seed now is it?

What I really don't understand though is Piers has the persona of the snide pompous twit and this only helps affirm that in a way that won't hurt him judging on the Talent show or even returning to tabloid journalism in some manner, what the hell does Assarosa think this does for her? Sure she is back on television and I'm sure somewhere, somehow, Burnett and the Dump made it worth her while to come on besides her pathetic need for fame. And its not like that many people are watching. But still. How many more reality shows are left for her to play nasty "I know you are but what I am I" level of childish debating skills and illogic? No one would touch her following post Apprentice in the real business world. Add in her subsequent all about the Reality Famewhore Experience appearances and now this petty childish little run and I don't understand what she is hoping to get out of it. Sure we all know that she will probably trot out the whole "I was playing a role" bit, but I think we can all see past it to the shallow sad little nasty woman she is no matter how much she turns it on for The Dump's cameras.

The Dump's announcement of Assarosa going to the other team was such a silly way to stomp all over his keep 'em all declaration. But then the start ofthe show with the whole march of drama back to the boardroom was just so silly. I love that the Dump and Burnett actually think the viewing audience is in any way emotionally wrapped up in what is going to happen to these people on the show. Like viewers are white-knuckling it in any way on twists or turns or shocking developments. Particularly after the whole silly Snitch plotline.

Week after week, I have become more and more impressed by Trace. Although quiet, he consistently has brought up the best ideas and concepts week after week. He is very intelligent. And this week as a manager, he did a great job. I say "Well done Sir."

Granted I only half pay attention to this show when it is on generally, but I have to second the fact that Trump claims he couldn't bend the rules to fire one of the winners, but yet could bend it to not fire one of the losers.

I did like that Trace's team stuck together and Trump liked them all well enough to let them alone. But he couldn't have fired either Piers or Omarosa? Of course he could. He just wants them around for the added drama.

But this season is so dumb. It's still just about who can call up the most rich friends and have them fork over money.

Jane Fonda thanks you for observing National Use the C-word Day. tagline: Because sometimes, ya just gotta say it (yes, we're looking at you, Omarosa).

I think that was probably true before tonight, and Piers' main reason for being so angry is because Omarosa just took it way too far. It's like playing the dozens: most snaps are just so out there that you aren't going to get TOO mad ("your mama's so fat, she sat on a rainbow and made Skittles!"), but the underlying rule is that you don't get too "real" ("that's why your mama's on welfare!"). As long as Piers was a pathetic little man and Omarosa was a delusional reality 'star', they could be functioning enemies. Once it stooped down to "your kids don't even like you" (Omarosa's insult of choice), I think the good-natured fighting came to a screeching halt.

Oh, and a great big BOOOOOO to Lennox Lewis describing Omarosa's behavior as "ghetto", something he never would've said had that been Carol or Nely. Vile, despicable behavior is universal, and it doesn't become "ghetto" when said behavior is coming from a loud, African-American woman.

I wanted to watch this celebrity version because I thought it would be more fun since they were all competing for charity. I figured there would be less BS because the celebrities could just walk if it got carzy, it isn't like they are trying to win over the Donald, he doesn't really affect their careers at all.

If I were Piers I probably would have resigned after I won the $65k for my charity. There is no reason to stress so much over a reality charity show, it just isn't worth it. I like to win as much as the next gal, but sometimes winning means realizing what is important in life and what is BS. Omarosa is BS, everyone knows it, hell she even knows it that is why she fights dirty, she has nothing else.

ETA: I do agree that probably the early tension was put on for the show, but the expressions on Piers' face tonight? He was red and sweating and so tense like he would have a heart attack any second, it seemed pretty real and if it isn't he should become an actor.

I did watch the Surreal Life episode where she was mean to Janice Dickinson, to the point where I felt bad for Janice. This episode got me to feel bad for Piers. She was not that bad when she began, kinda irritating, but not a despicable human being. What kind of person thinks that this is the thing to do for a reality show for charity? She has become such a fame whore that she will stoop to any level just to remain on a reality show. I have to agree that she made Jonny Fairplay look good. Sure he lied about his grandmother dying, but at least he never insulted others to this degree. Assorama just did not stop with the attacks on Piers' as a father, and she was just ok with going below the belt.

If Trump had balls, he would have fired her on the sport, because of her behaviour. There is no way Trump did not see the footage of what happened prior to the boardroom, and he has fired people in the past for much less. I wonder if she is contracted to stay a certain amount of episodes. I don't know if anyone with the show will ever read this board, but this was not fun to watch, and I am really not sure if I want to watch episodes in the future. (Although I do want to watch when he fires her.)

I also don't approve of the c-word in normal circumstances, but she totally fit the bill. What a sad pathetic person to do this to try to be relevant. At least she will be forgotten in the near future. And that will kill her.

There's a very simple explanation as to why Donald didn't--and indeed, couldn't--fire either Omarosa or Piers.

Hydra's win, like all wins, conferred absolute immunity on all team members, regardless of behavior either during the task or afterwards in the boardroom. It's the same reason that Michael back in Season 3 couldn't be fired as the PM of a winning team, because he had an absolute exemption that shielded him from the consequences of all of his actions, even though many people felt that those actions constituted such an abuse of his exemption that it should have been revoked. However, absolute immunity, by definition, doesn't work that way; if it did, it wouldn't be absolute and therefore wouldn't have any meaning, since it would then only be an illusory promise whose validity was conditioned upon the holder of the immunity not screwing up in any way subsequent to winning it, and if it's going to be conditioned upon that, then what's the point of trying to win the immunity in the first place, since if you don't screw up, you don't need it, and if you do screw up after having won it, it does you no good to have won it at all?

No, for once, Donald did the right thing, and the only thing that he could do, because it was exactly what the concept of absolute immunity required him to do: Keep both Piers and Omarosa, and have Empresario go through a boardroom where he could rant about the suckitude of the situation all he wanted, but ultimately do the equitable thing and fire no one from that team.

That said, I hope that Miss Celebrity Wannabe (say what you will about Piers, but he DOES have her number!) gets canned ASAP. Her 15 minutes should have been up three years ago.

Not that I've ever been to the ghetto, but even there, don't people know that you never insult a member of someone elses' family?

Agreed Omarosa's actions were vile. And I echo that the c-word does apply to her, though I despise that word.

I remember Omarosa saying in Season 1 of this show that people were not used to strong African-American women. Love them or hate them, Oprah, Maya Angelou, Toni Morrision, Condeleeza Rice (sp?) and Queen Latifah, among many, many others, are strong women in addition to being African-American. They also have more class in their pinkie than Omarosa can ever hope to have.

Speaking of which, I read a quote by Oprah somewhere in which she related something that Maya Angelou told her: "when someone tells you who they are, believe them."

I think tonight, if we didn't know it already, Omarosa told us who she is.

Assorama is a boil on the butt of America and needs to be Piers-ed!

Rules schmools, Dump -- you fired that one guy (Brad?) who had immunity and sent him suitcase-less into the Taxicab of Doom and fired four--count 'em--four another time to share the Clown Cab of Crowdedness.

Even Dumpie knew that the public would have turned on him if he fired any of Trace's team.

Even Shephen (Steven)? Hard work or no, he did opt to wuss out last week or two weeks ago or whenever. Stephen should've been the logical choice. This whole "I can keep all y'all" thing just sucks. Sometimes you just have to get rid of a good guy!

I also thought Stephen would go for trying to quit two weeks ago. Not that he did a bad job but I figured Trump would need to fire someone. On the other hand, I think I personally would rather have been fired than be subjected to having Assorama join my team next week. It will be interesting to see how Trace deals with her. She is seriously the most vile human being ever to appear on my television, dating all the way back to Season One when she accused Erica (?) of using the "N" word.



Really?

I have to say? I am loving me some Trace Adkins. What a calm, real presence!!

ITA... there's very few women I've ever wanted to just HIT... and to be honest, the first one was the FICTIONAL Dolores Umbridge from the last Harry Potter movie, who's *supposed* to be so annoying and disgusting. Which leaves Assorama as the second one. Yeesh.


Oh yeah. I was just talking with my girlfriend on the phone, and I said "Assorama'd better be working for herself from now on, cuz NOBODY's gonna hire her after round 2..." (of course, I leave the caveat "except for reality show producers").


Actually, good for him for NOT doing so. Bad enough that he let himself be upset by her bullshit, but if he stooped to her level... she would've totally won. (And if they'd lost, Piers woulda been so much out the door for it, it wouldn't have mattered WHAT she said to him....) But next week... I dunno. I'd be more worried if they didn't tend to over-hype things in the previews...

First, if the idea of the show was for celebrities to hound thier rich friends for charity, why did Assmorsa even get a spot?

Second, Piers is the male Assmorsa, maybe not as bad but he is a arrogant, nasty jerk with a control complex.

Both of those examples involved entirely different scenarios from what we had here, though. True, Bradford had absolute immunity, but he expressly waived it in a rather stupid show of bravado--which express waiver, by definition, meant that he no longer possessed immunity as a result--and was therefore ripe for firing, which happened because waiving his absolute immunity was a cocky, illogical and completely unnecessary move that showed him to be the kind of reckless person who could potentially run a company into the ground. And as for the boardroom massacre involving four firees, no one held immunity, and therefore all four were ripe for firing, and since all four were equally responsible for the loss, the multiple firing made complete sense--and did no violence to the concept of absolute immunity at all.

Thats because he gave up his immunity.Technically he could have fired Piers but not Omarosa, since Piers volunteeresd to be fired even if he won.
Omarosa screwed up her whole redemption theme for some petty revenge. So she did her homework and finally got to him big deal. He still won despite all her childish antics. One thing this episode showed though was that it is imposible to fire a player if they dont want to be a nuisance amd chooses not to leave, so hopefully Trump will never use that reason to fire someone again. I may be in the minority but I believe someone from Traces team deserved to be fired, if you team is firing on all cylinders and you lose to another team by 7,000 dollars while also using superstars than someone deserves to be fired.