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mtlchickie
It took 5 minutes to illicit the first "Shut up, Ponderosa!" (tm Big Pussy) In other news, Nely sounds like Rachael Ray but looks like Chyna Doll even more Botoxed. It's only now that I realized there are too many reality shows famewhores on: Ponderosa, Simmons, Morgan (well, he judges on one, but close enough) and these days, you can't do a TV show without a Baldwin. Since this a competitive reality show, I guess Stephen was a better pick than Daniel. I would say goodbye to Tiffany except....I still don't know or care who she is.

Hot damn, this is going to be one hell of a cheesy season. Can't wait.
VAHokies
Omarosa is TV gold. There was no way she'd be fired first. Tiffany was the easy target for Trump because she showed no strong leadership skills, she didn't speak very well and she'd probably make for very little entertaining television. I can't believe I just watched that, and I actually could watch another episode.
WBBell
LOL, yes, We said "SHUT UP OMAROSA" at least 10 times in the first 10 minutes.
NYGirl
The men were pretty spot on in their comments watching the boardroom. I got a kick out of a lot of their comments. It made the show a lot more enjoyable.

And cause we can never say it enough..Shut up Omarosa. You got to hand it to her..she's a good talker.
JGrabbyHands
I'm with VAHokies, Omarosa has no celebrity status compared to heavy hitters like Gene Simmons, she just makes the show interesting because she's so ridiculous and catty. I like Tiffany Fallon but she didn't stand a chance because Omarosa was casted to keep the show interesting and Tiffany came across as too softspoken and sweet.
MarigoldSkye
I'm just going to admit it. I love Omarosa. I always have, since S1 and I always will. I don't care how assy she is, she has always been my unexplainable favorite. Hell, she got me to actually watch this show again, after I swore not to after s3 and had stuck to that thus far. I'll just watch until she self-destructs, this will be fun.

I only know like, four of the people on this show. Celebrity my hiney.

So I'm going to not say "Shut up, Omarosa!" and instead say "Shut up, Piers!" Stupid windbag.
jaycbird1
The look on the women's faces as Omarassa began her attacks in the boardroom were priceless! They KNOW who the problem is in their group and I think she'll be a goner in the next episode.

WHY none of them turned to The Hair and said "She was the one 'experienced apprentice' and she led a LOSS," I think she would have been toast.

Ah well... Apprentice meets "The Surreal Life"....
thuganomics85
History as been made, folks. In it's seven season run, a firing happen because someone didn't call Hugh Hefner. Wow. Somewhere, George, Carolyn and the entire first season cast (baring Omarosa) are shaking their heads.

This was a trainwreck, but at least I was entertained. Stephen Baldwin, Piers, and especially Gene Simmons were hilarious to watch, because they weren't taken it seriously at all. The rest of the guys were just hanging around, being inoffensive. Except Big Pussy. He was a pain in the ass. As for the women, they were all a blur to the Omarosa show. Still can barely stand her, but I'll accept the fact that she isn't going for a very long time. She probably won't actually win, but there is no way Trump/Burnett are going to let her go this early.

Bye, Tiffany. You were pretty and nice... but that was about it.
AdrienneP
What fun! Omorosa SO deserved to go home tonight, I can't believe she dug herself out of that hole. The whole reason the women didn't use their celebrity was her decision, and Tiffani gets the cobra because she didn't use it? BS, and I kept waiting for Marilu Henner to step up and say, Donald, we WANTED to use that, Om wouldn't let us.

My people, my people... I hate that as a black woman and a manager in my company, there are the Omorosas out there dragging us all down.

Gene Simmons rocked!

LOVED that the guys got to watch the boardroom, though.
Squidgie
I abhor the idea of a celebrity Apprentice, and I'm not overly impressed with this particular lineup of celebrities, but dammit, I like the show itself, so yes, I'm watching.

ETA: And what TwoP Tech, the Official Helper Monkey said about there being nothing on TV.
SeaBreeze341
Yeah, sucks about Tiffany, but it was all but inevitable. As mentioned, Trump's right, there's no saving for Hefner. After all, he could've still come through for something bigger, whatever that was!
bigmomma01
Omarosa was casted to keep the show interesting and Tiffany came across as too softspoken and sweet.


Which is probably why Omarosa will still be around, long after she should be gone. I have only watched a few Apprentices in the past, but thought I would enjoy watching the celebrity's. They didn't disappoint!
dupreesgal
Found out on celebrity-babies.com that Tiffany was 2 months pregnant while on the show. That explains the "physically exhausting" comment. Anyway, Trump is just going to fire who he feels like it without even trying to make the task matter.

Are the celebrities living at the Tower or are they just meeting there on filming days?
crzypunk2004
Omarosa deserved to go home, but she didn't. No way in hell are they going to get rid of her this early, they will keep her around just like in season 1 until F8 or longer.
tone
I can't believe I just watched that, and I actually could watch another episode.
Actually? Oh hell, I will. I'm all for watching a good train wreck on a weekly basis.

If I was to take this show seriously, I'd be calling Assorama out on NOT wanting to use their celebrity status to sell being their downfall. But it The Apprentice, the land where logic doesn't exist.

I guess Robin had enough, since she wasn't in the lobby. Boo.

ETA: Nadia who?
baby pickles
I thought the show was fun, but it's gonna get old real quick if all these people have to do is call up their *contacts* to win the task.

I missed S1, and haven't seen her in action until tonight: Omarosa SUCKS.

Loved Tito and Lennox putting on a show in the street. I would have bought a hot dog from them, until Jenna Jameson showed up. (Cut to her eating a hot dog. Ick.)
Orihara Kaoru
So...is every task going to turn into "please show up and 'donate' $10,000 for whatever the Product of the Week is"? Because...that could get boring.

I think its amusing that these people apparently have unlimited access to the outside world. The candidates from other seasons were totally restricted, weren't they? But I wouldn't want to be the guy who tried to take away Gene Simmons's cellphone.

I kind of feel bad for Tiffany, because I could understand her argument of wanted to save Hugh Hefner for a later task. Why fire your big guns before you really need them? On the other hand, Trump obviously wasn't going to fire anyone else.

I'm looking forward (well, maybe that's too strong an emotion for a show like Celebrity Apprentice...) to seeing DT and some of the big personality guys go head-to-head in the boardroom. They won't take his crap, that's for sure. Or maybe it'll all be a performance, which I could totally see happening.
AngleMan
You know he did it again. I enjoyed the episode right up until Trump started complaining about Tiffany not calling Hefner. Then I started rolling my eyes and said shut up Trump.

I just wish Tiffany had the wherwithal to point out that if she had called Hefner, and he had given her $10,000 $20,000 it wasn't enough to win the task. The reason they lost is not because she didn't call Hefner, it's because with the exception of Marilu NO ONE from her team called contacts, because Omarosa said she didn't want this task to be about celebrity.

Sadly Tiffany couldn't say this to Trump, so she was gone.

Personally this is my theory as to why The Apprentice stopped working. The people at home know who should be fired, but instead of making the sensible choice. Trump protects the people he feels are the best TV.

The audience not being stupid, gets annoyed at this. Omarosa will be around as long as there's less 'interesting' people to fire, and it sucks.
Mischievious
What in the world was Omarosa wearing in the boardroom? The full head to toe shot of her walking back into the boardroom with Carol and Tiffany -- ACK! blinded by the ugliness of the dress.

ETA: Where can we find out what charity each one is playing for?
NotTheBox
What was with Omarosa's "Unfortunately, yes" to the (rhetorical) question as to whether she knew Steven Baldwin? I loved his response. But I loved it better when the other guy pretended not to know who she was. And why was she wearing a mylar balloon as a dress while they planned the task, anyway?

Wow, she is one cold stone lying condescending bitch. I was so happy when you could tell they were going to lose, and hoping she wouldn't be fired so she can be kicked around some more. I just can't get enough of people talking smack about her. Marilu Henner looks like she wants to strangle her. Bring it, Nardo!

So, no "back to the suite" crap, eh? I guess I give the show credit for not trying to pretend these people are all living dorm style and sharing a bedroom like the 7 dwarves or something.
WBBell
A serious question, though. Anyone know the kid who handed a 10K check to Gene. The screen helpfully told us it was "Gene's Contact". Looked like he was about 20 years old.
Gitano
Deity help me, this show has actually made me admire Gene Simmons just a little bit. (Wait . . are those horsemen I hear? )

I really hate myself for it, but I just loved the way he pulled out his phone and started coolly calling people while all the rest were arguing over strategy. It was like, “Screw this, let’s cut to the chase and get some f-ing money!” There’s something about the ability to cut through the BS that I really admire. Even from Gene Simmons, apparently. I’m not saying I’m proud of it.

I could listen to Omarosa and Piers got at it forever. Finally she’s found someone nearly as big of a posturing a—hole as she is to go toe to toe with. And does Omarosa seem less crazy and more reasonable so far, or does she just seem more normal in comparison to the other nutjobs around her?

Love how Omarosa switched from wanting Tiffany fired to wanting Carol fired when she realized Tiffany could still tap into the Hefner contact for a hefty sum on a later task. Or at least that’s what it seemed like to me.
SeaBreeze341
Are the celebrities living at the Tower or are they just meeting there on filming days?


Probably the latter. Although they deserve to live there like the 7 dwarves or whatever considering the fact that most of them are that big of stars like the Donald.
stlouischili
This was some great TV! I've never watched this before for some reason, probably because I never cared for DT.

My favorite part was watching the guys running to turn on their TV to watch the boardroom.

I'm digging Lennox Lewis and I cannot explain why. Also liked Carol Alt, Piers, the Baldwin, and Trace Adkins. They cast this really well.

I also love Trace Adkins charity, the Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network. I have this, and I'm glad to see it get attention.

I hope next week's kerfuffle between Gene Simmons and Ivanka is being overhyped in the previews. I lurve them both and I don't want to see serious nastiness from either.
amberdotcom
I gave up on the Apprentice a couple seasons ago but damn this was good. Gene Simmons is the king of "doesn't give a shit"; his cut to the chase phone call during the mens meeting was priceless.
As much as the loss was totally Omarosa's fault I don't mind keeping her around for a little while longer. Just enough to see her and Piers go toe to toe - a fight you know is coming and just may be awesome to watch.

And Carol Alt is a bad-ass..........who knew.

But they thought Tiffany was quiet.........was Nadia Commenci even on the show? She just sort of faded into the background at both the hot dog cart and the boardroom and I don't think I heard her say two words.
Rube Goldberg
Wow. That wasn't as shrill as I was expecting. And I didn't feel like I was in a Ron Popeil audience. Could this show be on the mend?

Oh, firing someone because they didn't call Heff? Guess we can't embrace too much change too quickly.
zoidbergMD
A serious question, though. Anyone know the kid who handed a 10K check to Gene. The screen helpfully told us it was "Gene's Contact". Looked like he was about 20 years old.


As God is my witness, I said, "Gene is friends with Tucker Carlson?"

Before the show started, I knew Simmons was going to kick ass. He'd probably be the first to admit he's much better at business than music.

Am I alone in thinking that, compared to most "celebrity" reality shows, they actually put together a pretty good cast for this one?
thuganomics85
Probably the latter. Although they deserve to live there like the 7 dwarves or whatever considering the fact that most of them are that big of stars like the Donald.


I'd actually watch a show of these "celebs" living together. Imagine the hilarity of Piers and Gene sharing a room. Or whichever poor woman has to room with Omarosa. Or if they all party too much one night, and Tito and Lennox get into a drunken brawl.

Oh, during the beginning of the show, when they showed clips of future episodes, did anyone else see Alec Baldwin on them? I guess Stephen calls him up for a favor in the future. I would pay money, if Alec ever visited the BR/Trump, in his Jack Donaghy character from 30 Rock.
Bigwheels1971
I was actually kind of surprised CA wasn't fired over T. DT usually gets a real bug up his ass over location and he's fired contestants before over screwing that up. Also, didn't she lie like crazy defending herself (as O did)?
AngleMan
Gitano I think she switched from Tiffany to Carol when she realised that Carol was going to go after her and not team up on Tiffany. Omarosa does not want other strong women around, because they are a threat.

As for Gene Simmons, he could have called Hef too. But he clearly does not care about this in any real sense. Thing is if you ever watch Family Jewels you'll see that Gene is businessman. He knows his stuff, and there is nothing Trump can teach him. The previews are very interesting. Trump is used to people he can scare. Gene will not kiss anyone's ass. Well not a male ass anyway.
toliveinit
I really shouldn't take this show seriously. Yet, I find myself wanting to.

Doesn't the whole "call up all the famous people you know and tell them to come down and give moolah" approach belie the entire notion of this business tasks? I hated Gene interrupting the strategy session. I hated Piers turning away people just because they wanted to give less than $100 for a hot dog and water. Isn't the point of business to graciously accept whatever you can get?

Someone mentioned that if every task turns into "call everyone you know for money", it's going to get incredibly annoying. It also just seems like cutting corners. I mean, with the celebrity strategy in place, did they even need to have the task of selling hot dogs? In my opinion, it had no purpose.

I hate this show already.
TotalMagnum357
I'm no fan of Omarosa, but Tiffany did a very poor job of defending herself in the BR. Furthermore, her performance on the task left a great deal to be desired.
sadangel
If all the show is going to be about is calling friends for money the show is going to get boring every fast. The show is about business, and hitting up friends for money isn't something that shows who has the best business skills. So in a way I agreed with Omarosa's plan to not use their contacts to make donations, because she wanted to show her business skills.

Best line of the night: "She can sell her ass but she can't sell a hot dog" or something like that, Omarosa about Tiffany.
borderottie
I just wish Tiffany had the wherwithal to point out that if she had called Hefner, and he had given her $10,000 $20,000 it wasn't enough to win the task.

I totally thought the same thing and figured a more aggressive "business-ey" person would have pointed that out to him, ie. Gene! Tiff just didn't have the aggressiveness and fight in her but I did appreciate her limo chat. She was gracious and you could actually tell that she didn't mind it so much. Now reading that she was actually preggers, she probably didn't mind leaving that much more.

I could see Gene winning this if for no other reason that whoever tries to corner him in the boardroom is gonna have a fight on their hands. Never much cared for his music but KISS isn't as big as it is product-wise for no reason.

ITA with this being a series of Trump firings to suit the flow of the show. In other words, look for Gene and Trace to be around for awhile, prob. Omarossa too.

And how did they pull this show off without a single Brady?? ;-)
blackwing
Frankly, I didn't recognize ANY of the "celebrities" except Omarosa, the Ugly Baldwin, Big Pussy and I vaguely recognized Marilu Henner.

I couldn't even recognize Carol Alt, who once graced my dorm room wall. Lennox Lewis and Gene Simmons are recognizable names, but I didn't know what they looked like now.

All of the others registed a big "Who?!" from me. Worst of all is that supremely irritating British guy who seems to think he is such a yooge celebrity.

That was a well deserved firing of Tiffany. Essentially, she was saving Hugh Hefner and his donation for when SHE was project manager, so she could bail herself out.

I loved that Omarosa corrected British Ass's pronunciation. But she didn't have the guts to say it to Trump.

Trump Jr is useless and he's trying too hard to be tough. Ivanka at least has more credibility.
Detective
And who would have guessed that Gene Simmons and Marilu Henner would have the same style? I loved that. If only Marilu had fought Omarosa harder, but let's face it-- Stephen Baldwin is no Omarosa.
adrem
At least Donald Junior called Omarosa on her inconsistencies. I think she should've been fired. But... I am afraid we'll have to have her on our screens for some time - I think DT believes she makes good TV; besides, she did make people talk about her and the show.
Overall, this show is getting cheap and low beyond belief. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the contestants takes "sex sells" literally.
O2Sean
Omarosa always knew how to save herself in the boardrooms. One of the more entertaining parts of the first season was seeing her steamroll over the 'nice' women who never bothered to put up a defense as she steamrolled over them.

I wish my loathing of Stephen Baldwin were not so high, I would enjoy the show more.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the contestants takes "sex sells" literally.


Gene Simmons or Marilu Henner are my picks.
rphnick
That was an entertaining trainwreck right up to the point where Tiffany was thrown under the bus. Not that I was rooting for her or anything, but who could compete against all of Gene's contacts? I doubt Hef alone would have won this for the ladies ( I don't remember the team name). This came down to who had the best contacts with the deepest pockets. I know it's for charity, but if DT lines them up with tasks each week just so they can use resources outside of the game I'm going to get a bit bored. I want to see these people whip out some mad crazy hidden skills. I don't want to watch them dialing cellphones and meeting people generically labeled "contact". Otherwise just line up everyone and their friends and have them all turn out their pockets to see who has the most money and declare the one with largest dollar value the winner.
thuganomics85
but let's face it-- Stephen Baldwin is no Omarosa.


Now there's a sentence I never I would read at this point. Never thought I would compare Stephen and Omarosa, but I guess we can thank Trump's "brilliant" idea for that.

Omarosa always knew how to save herself in the boardrooms. One of the more entertaining parts of the first season was seeing her steamroll over the 'nice' women who never bothered to put up a defense as she steamrolled over them.


And that was also the reason she lost. She tried that on Heidi, and for all her faults that she did have, Heidi didn't let that shit go down, and fought back. While Kwame just sat back and watch Omarosa self-destructed, like the brilliant bastard that he his (I used the bastard term in a loving matter, of course.)

The more I think about it, the more I'm glad Tiffany went. The reasons are simple: First, it's better for the normal ones to get out soon, and let the crazies take over (see: Carol being the first one out on BB8.) And the most important one is that she left before Trump had a chance to lust over her. Because a "Playboy Playmate" was pretty much a walking target for The Donald, and the last thing Tiffany probbaly wants, his Trump drooling over her and begging her to be wife #5.
animalia
Anybody know who's doing the re/weecaps for this? I'm hoping for some "poo-flinging bugfuck crazy."

David Wright should get Jennie's number. She lurves him.

"We have a secret weapon. And his name is Gene Simmons." Who know a Baldwin brother could totally crack me up? Or Trace Adkins: "[Tiffany's] not a mean chick."

Edited because I must have taken a smoke break during the location-selection part. And that's one more new year's resolution down the drain.
Bigwheels1971
I don't like O. However, I thought she made a great point about being taken to task in S1 for over reliance on sex appeal. Yet DT & company just seemed to completely ignore that fact because it wasn't convenient.

I'm disappointed that contacts can be used. I think it would have been better to give the winning PM 100k each week.
heebiejeebie
Well once I got past the hyperbole --- seriously that much can't be good for one's health -- it was actually...well it was prety crappy, but exactly what I expected. Okay, I'll confess, the only reason I tuned in was I heard the rumor that David Wright who I adore was going to be on this season and if that was it, I might not last into two episodes unless Assorosa gets a smackdown. Too bad the promos have established a spoiled tossing order with certain scenes having to play out. But then the producers have sucked at not spoiling the results of this show for forever.

No surprise at all that Assorosa stayed on. Trump probably signed her on for so many episodes. In fact I wonder how many *wink wink nudge nudge* deals there were between Trump and the "celebrities" as to who goes first. Because if the whole plan of selling dogs instead of celebrity was the deal breaker its a moot point as to who should go. Unless you are someone like the Dump so incredibly desperate to get attention that you keep the controversial one without a doubt.

Gene Simmons is an enormous egotistical douchebag but at least he has common sense. He might be a B-list famewhore (I don't think he is quite A-list but he still draws a big crowd and is still iconic to many of us who ware younger than the KISS heyday) and probably the biggest name on the show, but he at least used his brain more than once. I was a bit surprised that he was the one to cut right through the posturing and get to bringing in the cash.

My poor David. Assorosa totally made him look cheap when he is extraordinarily a very generous guy. He probably had no idea what the going rate was and they undersold the rest of the dogs to him. I'll bet he is cringing when he sees this. And all that All-American Hotness standing? I would have asked him to sign something to give away with a nice hot dog payment. No wonder Assorosa is free for this shit. If it wasn't for this she might be bugging the rest of the poor people at the soup kitchen if she can utilize David Wright for five minutes to bring in some real cash.

Carol Alt the first Supermodel? You just know Dump Trump did that hoping Janice Dickinson starts flapping her latest face and lips for some controversy and attention to this trainwreck. Because Carol Alt was early eighties wasn't she? First? Not hardly.

Is it just me or does Tito Ortiz now look like a walking steroid?

Though as a trainwreck, while not ageist, this group seems so tired in an old way. I mean they're not that old. But I'm thinking naps will play a big role at some point. And Depends should have really lobbied hard for a shot at the product placement in the project arena.

I still don't know who some of these people are.
ottoDbusdriver
What was with Omarosa's "Unfortunately, yes" to the (rhetorical) question as to whether she knew Steven Baldwin? I loved his response.


Omarosa and Stephen Baldwin were on the same episode of Celebrity Fear Factor a couple of years back.
And Stephen talked a great deal of smack about her during the episode.
abd zelda
1. The women's team misspelled "Impresario" (unless they are attempting some type of pun with Empress/Empressario).

2. Omarosa's jacket in the boardroom looked like it had been poorly remodeled from a straightjacket, if they made them in shiny silver fabric of the "future."

3. Gene Simmons has gravitas. I did not know this.

4. Piers, the correct pronunciation is "Assarosa." However, I will accept "Amarosa" provided you continue to call her that throughout the entire season. Bonus points for hucking drywall at her head or dribbling bits of it on her shoulder when she is not looking. (Although in Piers's defence, Trump's pronunciation sounds like "Amarosa" as well.)

5. I would definitely have fired Omarosa, because although she said she took the PM position to prove herself, she appeared to be rerunning a task from non-celebrity Apprentice (clearly the reason the women's team lost so massively), rather than meeting new challenges with new strategies.
AngleMan
I would hope that not every task is about getting people in to donate money, though given the charity thing there's certainly that possibility.
kanona29
I really don't like the fact that they can use their 'friends' to donate money to the competitions. It just makes the challenges completely pointless if all you have to do to win is call someone up and say 'Please donate $5,000 for a hot dog for charity'!

I hope that stops after tonight's episode.
MarigoldSkye
Wait, wait, hold up...Nadia Comeneci was on this show??
Francie N.
Why did I put myself through the torture of watching this show? Instead of being a train wreck that I couldn't stop watching, it was a train wreck that flattened me and pinned me against the rails. Just torture.

The editors must hate Trump. They (nearly) always make him out to be a buffoon. Well, he does give them the material, doesn't he? Omarosa specifically said that she didn't want to use their celebrity status -- and Tiffany gets fired for what? Not using her celebrity status. And Trump's an idiot for not figuring that out. It's a shame, though, that Tiffany couldn't come up with a better response that than they had decided, collectively, to bring out Hef another time.

Tiffany was right, though, but not for reasons revealed in the show. Anyone who indulges in The Girls Next Door as a guilty pleasure television (now that's a train wreck that's fun to watch) knows that Hef is cheap. Maybe he would have donated a couple hundred or a thousand, but there's absolutely no way he would do what Trump suggested -- and donate $100,000. The guy won't even get rid of the outdated wood paneling in his own house! Trump obviously is not as good of a friend as he thinks it is if he didn't realize this. Hef would be great to use for promotional reasons, but he's not a great deep pocket to tap.

The most annoying part of the show? The way that Omarossa talked over anyone trying to criticize her. She knows that if she just keeps it up and relies on the other person have the civility to stop talking, she wins. Not only does she prevent the full critique come out, she diverts attention to another topic and, as a bonus, she gets to look 'tougher.' None of that has anything to do with being a success in business. Trump's an idiot for letting her do that -- but I swear he must get a hard on watching it. Just like when he was salivating over Sandy and Jenn (is that it?) when they were screeching over Andy -- and he had the audacity to say that their harping meant that they were out-debating him! Trump should have shut Omarossa down and let Carol and Tiffany finish their sentences, but he enjoyed the cat fight. What an ass.

I'm so over this show.
Taeolas
This is basically going to turn in to a big tax write off for Gene, Donald and all their friends basically; plus a chance to (argueably) look good on TV doing it.

That said, it was a fun trainwreck to watch in any case. Loved how Gene basically said "screw you guys, I'm doing it my way" and brought out the big black book of contacts.

Yes Rossa, you got dinged last time for trying to use the Sex Sells aspect; but you need to recognize that Celebrity Apprentice is different from Regular Apprentice. C.A. is about bringing in the Benjamins for the Team Leader's charity (which means we're unlikely to see repeated winning project leads.) So by all means, use any and all contacts you can to bring in da moolah by any means necessary.

That said, while we may see more tasks that can be twigged like this, I hope we see others that aren't as contact-tilted. I hope we'lll see something like the Hotel Room Makeover and the QVC Product Infomercial.

Anyways, should be a fun trainwreck to watch for a bit, till I get burned out by the crazies.
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