Vermicious Knid, I remember Bob saying that. The number was very high. He'd be trying so long that JEFF once 12-stepped him.

I remember also when Shelly told that to Mary. It was so sad because (before that) her mother always accused her of dressing like a whore. I wonder how old Shelly was when her mom said that.

Tawney started to cry when Nikki began to talk about the sexual abuse. But, the words "in my bed" really set Tawney off. I do think she just got really upset when she heard Nikki's story and hers came pouring out. There may be something else in Nikki's story that is similar.

I think Tawney was born in that room when Julie was 11 (although she didn't get her name, etc til a little later) and Tawney "died" right there in front of us when she looked up from crying and Sean said to her, "Julie is beautiful."

So, I think that is why she was overcome so suddenly (not that I am saying there is any certain way people should act) and so much. Her secret and her alter ego were bound up in all of this. She needed (and wanted) to BE Julie again. She had tried it earlier in the rehab, but she really did it there. I am happy for her having such an important breakthrough.

Meanwhile, poor Nikki. I think she has so much stuff to get through. The cocaine. Not only did she take it and show it to her mother she says she told her mother she was "afraid to try it".

There's a lot of work to be done... I wish the best for her.

Just as the single event of being tossed out of the home by his mother is only the dramatic highlight of Steve Adler's story, not his story in its entirety or even the most important part of his story, so Tawney's molestation is only part of the story that made her who she is or required her to retreat from being Julie. Not all eleven year-olds would remain in that room with her perpetrator. That she stayed is not a fault of hers, but it is interesting that she did stay, upsetting as the unfolding event was. What happened to her long before this horrible event that set her up to stay? Let me stress again that I do not think that Tawney is in any way to blame for that molestation, only that we bring to events what we have learned to do, how we have already learned to react, and it would be interesting to know what part of her life taught her that she could do nothing but accept that vicious unwanted interference.

I don't find this odd either - the part where Nikki took the coke to her mom. There's a big gap between drinking/pot and coke, and I think Nikki wanted the lecture. Wanted some sort of "Are you crazy - don't dare do that!". I think she wanted a limit of what was "normal partying" and too much. Even if she had a kid already and started getting into AI.

I think Nikki definitely wanted some boundaries from her mom, and she obviously didn't get them. I have to assume that Nikki's mom had been doing drugs and Nikki knew, or she wouldn't have taken the coke to her mom. It sounds crazy to think about a child taking drugs to their parent like she did, but it also sounds crazy that her mom would show her how to do them. So this is a very big indicator I think of what that household was like. Her mom did drugs, and Nikki learned that behavior from her mom. That is so sad to me. Kids need boundaries, and Nikki seemed like she was practically BEGGING for one at that point, and she didn't get it. Instead she got yet another door opened into the nasty adult world by the one person who should have been protecting her from it.

Yeah, I have relatives I lost touch with (kind of on purpose) who started doing drugs while hanging out with their drug-taking mom. So the Nikki situation doesn't seem over the top to me.

One comment about child sexual abuse is that when a child under 10 is molested it is cut and dry - sexual abuse....but starting at 11 - girls mature fast so they start to look so much older and they want to feel older. In my personal experience of being molested at 11, the perp (a neighbor) tried to tell me all kids my age were 'doing it' and that I would benefit from learning from someone older wouldn't ruin my reputation. Total scam/manipulation. The 'mantra' I repeat to myself or anyone who discusses/disputes whether someone that age 'asked for it' or 'didn't stop it' is - "I could have have walked naked in front of this guy - and as an adult it was his job as the adult to walk away....It was not my fault".

I think girls molested at 11-15 deal with much more guilt than girls molested at a younger age...and they are also more prone to sexualizing every male relationship aftwards.

It feels good to purge these stories so although Tawny was pretty melodramatic - it is important to tell the story so many times that you don't cry anymore and it doesn't effect you.

Okay..done.

How many children does Nikki have? Her sister Toni is also a reality tv star on Paradise Hotel, etc....I was curious if she owuld mention her. Interesting how people are drawn to reality tv to end up on several shows.

I think Bob had been through 22 treatments and DD was his Dr in some of them. DD actually gave Bob up for dead and then a few years later ran into him and was shocked he was still alive. For a while Jeff was really into the 12 steps and did help Bob. Bob and Jeff did not share that info with DD until after CR1 and DD was shocked.

DD also said on his radio show that while filming Steven did not want to go to an AA meeting outside of PRC, since he was afraid he would runaway and find drugs. He felt so unstable that he didnt know if he could even trust himself outside of the PRC at an AA meeting.

Poor Steven. He really seems determined to stay sober and YET he knows he is capable of faltering, which he did when he was arrested for possession. I give him so much kudos for trying to get his life better. He has a strong support system with his wife and her brother.

I read what I wrote about Tawney being born when Julie was abused at 11. I think everyone understood, but I meant that event was (probably) the first step in creating a different personna to protect her true self.

I am not sure about this and I can't rewatch the episode, but when Nikki was talking did she say something about being asleep (and then the person would come in her window and rape her)? Since Nikki's story upset Julie so much...

Maybe Julie was asleep or very sleepy? Or maybe it was in the middle of the night and the house was very quiet so she didn't want to attract everyone's attention?

Or maybe she couldn't believe what happening and she was just kind of frozen there, letting it happen, unable to believe this guy would keep escalating (yet he did)?

Or maybe he was really sneaky, talking about other things, getting closer to her, showing her the magazine, etc. So, to her confused and childish (then) mind, it (wrongly) looked like she did consent except she could not possibly have guessed where this was really going. So by the time he starts pawing her, she's too upset to think clearly and just lays there hoping it will stop soon?

As Bnjrsmom said, it really seems to cause different effects when it happens at 11 (plus). The after effects can really make it so difficult on the person who survives this.

I know a lady who attracted men in droves even though the obviously sexual interest strange men had in her upset her so much. And it was too many men to just be sickos, some seemed to be nice enough guys who honestly thought she was interested in them. She's a pretty lady, but there was more to it than that.

So, courtesy of some asshole who didn't care that 11 is a little girl comes a lot of difficulty. Hopefully, the good that will come of Julie telling her story on TV is some other women will take a second look at a secret they may be keeping and feel better about themselves.

Julie/Tawny's perpetrator is a good example of how molesters work. They are not obvious. They don't come into a room, push you down and rape you. They are cunning. They are familiar with you somehow. They gain your trust. They are a family member or a babysitter. They could be a next door neighbor. They could be a teacher. It could be anyone. Still, they are manipulators and they know how to approach their victim without drawing so much attention to themselves. They bribe or they threaten. They tell you "This is love." They say, "If you tell, I will kill your parents." Some don't say anything, but their mere presence and their touching cause you to freeze because you are in shock. YOu can't believe this is happening to you. You wonder, "What did I do to have this happen?" Any victim here can relate why they didn't speak up or yell. Why they never told. Regardless of your age. I was first molested at 7 and it continued until I was 15. This happened sporadically and my perpetrator was a family friend. He was usually drunk when he did what he did to me, but not all the time. It began with fondling and went all the way to him laying his naked body next to me in my bed. He was a frequent visitor at our home. The day I finally spoke up was the day that shit stopped. I then ended up dealing with Anorexia after that.

Bob has a website. I had forgotten he plays in bands. If the documentary ever gets finished I'd check it out.

Paralegal3, the "family friend" has hurt so many people I know. I'm glad you figured out a way to expose what was happening.

I am a good listener IRL. So, I have heard many people's exact stories. All the examples I gave are from things I have been told or have reason to know (maybe changed slightly to apply to Julie).

From what I have been told, it is someone who has unquestioned access (all the people you mentioned). Or it is someone who noticed a child was always playing at a certain place and time (so they knew they had a certain amount of time before the parents would arrive).

I do know some people who pretty much were straight up attacked. Yet they still blamed themselves. If they were threatened, they didn't tell me (I usually don't ask questions). Yet, they still were certain it was their fault. Obviously, the rapist manipulated them to that belief, but it's still a bit shocking to see someone blame themselves when it is impossible they are at fault.

From reading here and from Julie's story, sometimes the rapist makes the victim feel the secret must be kept so "no one will be hurt" (other than the victim, but the rapist makes the victim not think of that). I had really only heard that one once before, but apparently, it is a common ploy.

I've had people tell me I am the only person they know who made it out of childhood. I have my cousin to thank for that. When I was three and she was twelve someone killed her. She (indirectly) saved me by exposing that awful things do happen to children. There were a lot of people who flat out did not have access to me.

I am sorry about the anorexia. I was/am ED-NOS (anorexic, but maintains a livable weight).

Vermicious Knid, cool link! I didn't even think of going to look for Bob on these internets.

If you're at all interested in seeing a glimpse of Bob before he got clean, you can see him here (he first shows up about 30 sec. in. Also, lots of bad language, if that matters to you):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk6pQGSMIx0

It's actually a clip from a short documentary about John Frusciante, made after he quit the Red Hot Chili Peppers and developed a serious heroin addiction. Bob and John were good friends and played a lot of shows together during that time. Bob's part isn't very long, but kind of interesting. He talks about his drug use and how he was influenced to get into it it, and there's a brief clip of Thelonious Monster playing live. The whole doc is pretty interesting if you can get through it. It's very sad and difficult to watch because JF is in such bad shape.

Actually, crazy-eyed Toni is not her sister. I think they were friendly enough at some point to refer to eachother that way, but Toni's from Chicago and Nikki is from Texas. I would like to know how many kids she has, too. She just had the one darling little boy during AI. I also wonder who cares for the kids when she is out partying (or in rehab, as the case may be).

I have not had any luck finding a link, but I am pretty sure that I read in a recent article about Nikki that her current husband has a child from a previous relationship plus she has her biological son, Tristen.

I wonder if there will be a family day like there was last year. I will be interested to see Nikki's children (she definitely said "children" when they doing her backstory first episode, but I don't recall if she said two or three kids). Also Julie/Tawney's kids as I have heard her mention them many times.

I really liked Brigitte's children from last year. Especially how happy they were for her. That was so sweet.

I went looking on the internet to try to determine whether Vikki was actually arrested or if that was just a tale she and Jeff cooked up. I haven't found news about that, but Vikki Lizzi is/was a singer! San Franscisco had a theme song at some point and she sang it.

So, I guess that explains their horrifying "Vikki and Kenickie stuff". (I didn't listen, their artwork scared me away.) Well, why they would take it into their heads to do it.

I know this is so wrong but...I finally feel vindicated for never liking Bobby Wheeler on "Taxi." Always thought Conaway was way too much of a ham. That said, on this show I see flashes of someone who might be likeable but there is SO much drama that he seems completely unwilling to let go.

I don't doubt that he is in serious discomfort. But I keep thinking about last season's yoga session, which seemed to do him quite a bit of good. Maybe he feels too crappy physically to commit to ongoing treatments but I wish there were some way to require it of him, even as the facility requires the group therapy.

If he could become more mobile, maybe he would finally walk or run away from Vicki.

When Taxi first came on, I was so hooked on Bobby Wheeler/Jeff Conaway, thought he was way hooootttt, but as the series went on, I remember getting turned off cause he started to look sweaty and jumpy. Uh..little did I know. Anyway, seeing how Jeff has deteriorated is saddening. They should really do one of those Jeff Conaway - before and after anti-drug campaigns like they do with the meth heads out West.


Still totally on the Adlair love train and looking forward to next episode's meeting with mommy dearest. Trying to keep an open mind about Steven's mommy dearest. I mean, we've only heard Adlair's version of his childhood and I've learned first hand that addicts are master manipulators - thats how they manage to survive so long. No matter how sweet and beguiling they can be, an addict is an addict ... first and foremost.

Thanks for this VK, and for the youtube link BP. I had forgotten how appropriate it is for him to be working with celebrity addicts.

Podcast 5 on the website is worth a listen. Nothing earth-shattering, but helpful reminders for those of us prone to enabling (been there, done that.)

Good point. From what I read in Slash's autobiography it seemed like they had a little crew of kids with lax to non-existent parenting- resulting in shoplifting, vandalism, etc. I think Steven's mom gave up control early and is kind of reaping what she sowed, but at some point Steven is going to have to stop self-destructing to punish his mother. I'm curious to know where his bio-dad is.

Way back in the day Jeff was married to Olivia Newton John's sister (they met at the time of Grease) - not sure how long that lasted, but I suspect she was a step up from Vicki.

I'm just going to say this: I really no longer care about Jeff and wish he would just go away. FOREVER. I am tired of his crap and have zero sympathy for him anymore.

I can't stand him or his ways. He is a pathetic, cry-baby, attention whore, victim attitude, manipulative, egostical loser. This is with or without his drug issues.

His back issues, while valid, seem to be better/worse depending on his needs and mood. Watching some of those "home fake videos" with Vicki (uuuggg!) he goes from "just fine" when it suits him and his needs to stooped over depending on the situation. He seems to have remarkable recoveries when needed.

His comments post-show last time about how much he was acting for the camera, etc.. are pathetic.

*packing my bags to Hell now. Hmmm..I wonder if I should take a sweater *

Oh, Moche, I have felt the same way ever since the middle of the first season. He is truly wasting the time of Dr. Drew, Shelley, Assy-hot, whatsherface, the other patients, and the viewing public. Allowing him to be on this season, as well as having Gary Busey on, has truly knocked my opinion of DD down a few notches. I know that addicts can be manipulative and unlikable, but Jeff goes far beyond that. This is famewhore behavior, not just addict behavior. They should just give him his drugs, let him have his surgeries, and tell him and Icky to fuck off. They will need to get over themselves before they can even think of treating their addiction, and I know that this will never, ever happen.

Thanks very much. I appreciate it. I finally saw the actual pain specialist today and he was totally cool with keeping me on my current protocol (morphine and methadone). Gosh, those are what, schedule 3? Triplicate prescription, anyway. I can't imagine fussing over a schedule 1.

However, in the meantime, I begrudgingly did some reading on "opioid hyperalgesia", which is what DD thinks Jeff has -- that the drugs are actually causing him worse pain. Apparently it is true that non-cancerous pain is sometimes exacerbated by opiates.

So I mentioned this to my new dr. and said I'd be interested in withdrawing from my opiates, as an experiment, which I could do by gradually decreasing the dose, and just see what happens. He agreed that this might be a good idea, since I am in pain even with them, and don't want to increase. But first he wants to inject my spine which can also help. I'm a little anxious about that, however.

Anyway, the main point is that I noticed they had a sign posted iin the office saying that as of December, due to the DEA cracking down even more, they are going to randomly drug test every patient to be sure that they are only taking their prescribed meds, and only in the prescribed dosage. Is DD going to have to do this sort of thing or does he get a special celebrity exemption?

Again, I personally have no problem with random testing, as long as it's peeing in a cup and not taking blood, but how ridiculous. What a petty invasion of privacy, added to everything else. Don't the feds have better things to do, like monitoring terrorists for example??? I'm not an advocate of total laissez-faire when it comes to drugs, but the current situation is ridiculous, scary, costly, and counterproductive.

It also bugs me that celebrities get to be arrested time after time, and get 50+ chances at rehab, when other people would wind up in jail for a LONG time for the same offense. Everyone should get the same amount of chances to recover, everything else being equal.

It's crazy! I take a similar medication, Minx, and my doctor has to drug test me twice a year. Also, he has been having talks with me recently to make sure I know how dangerous the medication is. I am told that he has had three patients die in the last few years, and they were all taking their meds as prescribed, it was proven in the autopsies. Kind of scary, but at the same time, that is the risk I take, and the government should NOT tell me what I can and cannot put into my body for pain.

Chronic pain is just the worst. Also, I have tried to slowly go down from the dosage that I am on, and trust me, it's no picnic. Good luck!

I think Jeff has real pain, but he also milks it for all it's worth. He's an addict, and addicts are going to try to get more and more. There's just no simple answer.

I think the desire to stay clean is absolutely missing from Jeff. He clearly sees CR as a job and not much else. I see zero desire from him on staying clean. What cinched it for me was the fact that he used the phone to call 911 instead of calling a cab for crying out loud.

He really tugged at my heartstrings during the first season and I really wanted to see him get well. But as soon as he showed up with Icky Vicki this season I knew it wasn't going to happen. Jeff seemed truly stunned at DD's question about what he plans to do for work. He pointed out that he was great in Grease AND that he was loaded at the time. Well Jeff, after two seasons on CR and a lovely showing on Celebrity Fit Club I think the only people looking for old addicted actors are VH1, although I may be wrong because he has a few "in production" credits on his imdb.com page. Still, whomever pointed out that as soon as the physical detox is over Jeff wants to leave while the others get down to the real work was right on.

From Entertainment Weekly's interview with Artie Lange about his new memoir, Too Fat to Fish: "It's a bittersweet moment in the book when you admit that not every addicted artist is Robert Downey Jr. — maybe you're just Jeff Conaway."

ETA: Artie Lange has always been at the top of my wish list for Celebrity Rehab cast members. Not only would he bring the funny, but I'd be interested in hearing from someone with both substance abuse & weight issues. Also on my wish list is Chuck(-ie) Negron Jr., son of Three Dog Night singer Chuck Negron. He was on Intervention a couple of years ago.

That doesn't sound very "random" to me...

I think it means testing without warning and at random intervals.



I don't think Dr. Drew himself will have to submit to a urinalysis, ;-P but if you mean his patients, well most of them aren't celebrities, but they all get drug tested. Remember, they're not pain patients, they're drug addicts.

ET had an interview with Jeff tonight. He was doing his old man routine with all the hunching over and leaning on his cane. Showed off the huge surgical scar on his back, which is probably the only genuine thing about him. No Vikki, but it was his interview. Then he admitted he called 911...BECAUSE HE WAS BORED!

What a fucking asshole. He wants to be an addict. He's making money off being an addict and getting all kinds of attention. He doesn't really want to get well. Let him rot. Lots of other people out there are desperate for help and would love to get into the Pasadena program. VH1 should pay for some ordinary person's treatment to make up for the money they gave this scumbag.

They did. Rodney King.

I know what you mean, what a waste. I didn't see the interview on ET but I take your word for it. I am sure Jeff is able to deal with his pain if he really wanted. If he is willing to do another surgery, which he was already told is not going to help, then why not try something that might work, such as yoga or some other physical therapy?

Folks, please remember that the topic here is Celebrity Rehab. If you want to talk about other things, please take it to PM or email so that people who want to discuss the show can do that here. Thank you.

I wonder how Rodney handled it when that fool Jeff called the cops? Just what Rodney needed during his recovery is a bunch of cops showing up to rescue that loser, and I hope it doesn't ruin the work he's done so far. When they realize Jeff was free to leave I hope the cops charge him with making a false report. I don't want to keep watching this but they certainly know how to suck me back in every week.

I'm surprised the cops didn't start beating Rodney just for practice! (?)

Jeff wispy, Gary reasonable in this week's preview up now at the vh1 blog.

I'm pretty sure when you call 911, the operator immediately says, "911. What is your emergency?"

But when Gary called, the first thing he said was "Hello, 911?" knowing that was a shoe-in for a sound bite. No caller would say Hello when they call 911, it's not the right response to "What is your emergency?"
He totally was looking for screen time.

::bangs head on desk::
As a compassionate person, I should feel some empathy for Jeff. Oh, dear G-d, if he's tap-dancing on my last nerve, what's Drew, and Shelly and the rest of the crew going through?

I have to believe that the 911 call was fake. I also think they cops were actors at this point too. After watching that youtube video posted somewhere earlier on this thread where Jeff and Vicky play act out a fight at their house and the fake cops were called, I think these had to be fake cops too, just with a bigger budget to make them appear more legit, and the ability to pixilize their bit part actor faces.

Jeff isn't being held against his will. It was an abuse of 911. It should be illegal to do that. He may be in a contract he cant get out of, but not a facility he cant leave.

Also, regarding Gary assuming he is a participant... I think the show's contract refers to all actors on the show "participants" as in...
"As a participant on this show you agree to wear a mic at all times" "As a participant on this show you agree to be filmed". I agree it was probably Gary's agents and managers who saw this as an income producing venture for all of them and led Gary to believe he was a participant not a patient. They probably have been doing very well manipulating poor Busey for years by exposing his insanity to the general public.

I think someone lied to Busey. How can he act as a mentor when he's... well... a few kernels short of a cob?



http://www.nypost.com/seven/07112008/tv/a_busey_119314.htm

No, those were real cops, and Jeff really is that big of a PitA.

I'm not saying that Jeff's move wasn't calculated; it's apparent that he and the show's producers are not above conspiring to further each other's agendas at the expense of everyone around them. However, I think your cynicism towards the celebreality genre still narrowly edges out VH1's.

So far, anyway... (they may theoretically be willing to hire fake cops, but why would they when they've got some nut actor willing - wanting - to call 911 for real, and assume the liability, I assume)



I think you're dead-on. I think he latched onto that phrase in his contract as a way of separating himself from the "drug addicts", and whoever he asked to clarify that that meant he wasn't a patient was either too intimidated or self-serving to disagree.



Amen, and I saw it as a dent in DD's integrity that he went along with it, until in true SuperDrew fashion, he turned it into an opportunity of tricking Busey into getting better.

Easypickens, maybe you're right about the cops being real.

I think in order to validate the whole situation DD had to claim that Jeff was intending to immediately leave and harm himself which wasn't the case at all. As if he was leaving to attempt suicide and that's why the cops ultimately needed to be there.

It was all a masterfully calculated drama to cover for the fact that the 911 system was being played around with.. which if anyone else tried to do for the sake of their documentary, would be arrested.

I would rather believe the call was fake and the cops were off duty and hired for the show. It just sits better with me.

If the show is presented somewhat true to its chronology in real life, then Jeff was having a rough time dealing with the lack of surgical cure for his back (and the loss of his beloved drugs). Even Jeff said he'd stated he would end his life. So the threat had to be taken seriously--rather like joking that your luggage contains a bomb while at the airport, you don't get a pass on a threat.

I thought the cop was really good--calm, authoritative enough while offering Jeff choices--he could stay or go over to Las Encinas where his pain medication could be monitored and he could be watched.

If there had been vh1 cameras available and allowed at Las Encinas, I wonder if Jeff would have gone.

capotista, I'm not saying I believe the cops were real, I'm saying that Jeff Conaway actually called 911 and the police actually came, and I know this because my wife works on the show, and it was only one of many Conaway-instigated s--tstorms.

Drew wouldn't let him leave because he'd just said that he wanted to kill himself. If he told me he wanted to kill himself, I'd tell him he's full of s--t and ask if he needed a hand. If he tells a doctor, that's another story, that's a 24-72 hour psych hold. DD's got to cover his ass - like flakewhite said, it is like a bomb threat, there's no backpedaling or saying you're just joking.

I'd be surprised if the cops arrested anybody for that, celebrity or not. Sure it's an abuse of 911, but by a mentally unstable person, who's already in the right place. He called because he was being "held against his will". They basically explained to him "yeah. You're being held against your will. You threatened to kill yourself in front of your doctor. Would you like to be held against your will here or at Las Encinas?" I'm sure that if it came down to it, they could offer a third place he could be held against his will, but though Pasadena police may not be as busy as LAPD, I bet they don't love unnecessary paperwork.

As for Jeff not leaving when he found out he couldn't go home - of course he decided to stay; the next best thing to drugs is being on TV. He can't possibly have a clue how transparent and pathetic this looks. Can he?

Darn! I missed the episode! But it sounds like Jeff's deal with the cops turned out as I thought it would. I still want to know what sort of conveyance disgorges three police officers, so I'll have to watch. I know some of the staff wanted to lock Jeff in a room for the rest of his time.

I just read that some celebrity rehabber was approached by fans of the show that were also fans of his. They talked to him and his girlfriend for a while (they'd seen her on the show as well) til the celeb invited them to his house for dinner. When the hapless couple arrived, they were surprised by nekkid pictures of the girlfriend. Then they were offered wine and pills, plus a chance to swing. They ran. It's a blind item, but please. Only one couple would do all of that. Although wtf was wrong with these stupid fans? Just the THOUGHT of eating any food in Casa Conaway makes me ill. And can't they see Jeff and Icky are liars? Other guesses: Shifty, Ricco, or Gary. But, I think different elements in the story eliminates each of them.

Wait...the new episode has yet to air, how is it you all are talking about it like it did?

Preview on vh1.com. Kind of gives away the punchline, if you ask me. I suppose we should have spoilered nonetheless.

Oh ok. I know the episode will air in a few hours here but I noticed the times you all posted and I was like, huh? How do they know?

Thanx for the heads up.

W.T.F. was that?! Hell, next time they need someone to talk to a person with fucked up childhood issues why don't they just pick a name out of a phone book? A social worker? Are you kidding me? All she did was agitate Steven. Shouldn't she find out what his story is before offering so many opinions? Even if she has seen his file. Let him talk for a while; guage his emotions.

It was good their was a psychiatrist there when Steven and his mother met. I was still bothered by the way it happened.

The mother kept addressing the doctors rather than her son. It seemed unthinkable to her that emotional abuse, abandonment and neglect could bother him still. It's good that he (usually?) had a place to live, but clearly he had a lot of issues related to everything that happened. Does it also not occur to her that her mother's home may not have been terribly pleasant (given that she was "dead" until she did what her mother wanted)?

Of course, the mother very clearly has problems of her own. But, some of the defensiveness was because she knew good and well she'd done wrong.

I also think she had her story ready to rationalize her actions. That's why she couldn't answer the questions that she hadn't anticipated (i.e.: how did you feel about giving your baby up).

But, mostly, I just think Steven wasn't ready to confront some of these issues much less his mother face-to-face. He just needed a little more time sober. Of course, that would probably mean that the issue couldn't be covered much on this show.

I am SHOCKED Sean had No Idea who Buddy Holly was. How is that possible? (boggle) I was born a long time after Buddy Holly died, but I knew who he was from a fairly young age even though no one around me listened to his music all of the time or anything. Maybe Rod told Sean that he invented rock and roll all by himself.

I hadn't thought of going to high school for Sean. Well, I had, but I figured he'd gone to school with a lot of other celubutots. So, I figured he'd blend in better than he apparently did.

What in the world was wrong with Gary? Fighting with stupid Jeff and running into Sean? I wonder if he has been acting like that the whole time. Although it should NOT be on Rodney to monitor this nonsense. Jeff and Gary are babies. Especially Jeff.

When Jeff was healed in his sleep... argh! I loved, loved, loved Amber during that whole thing. When everyone was getting beverages, I looked over at Amber... haha. When Jeff was hogging up group and some people were all yay, Jeff u r supa! I looked over at Amber... that's my girl! During that whole thing all I could think of was screaming at Jeff to STFU. I am so glad to have my views represented in the group.

I can't believe they took them to an outside facility to color with crayons? Strange. Julie/Tawney was excited and we didn't even see what she drew after she finished.

shampoo, do you have a link? I'm curious to see this!

Dream of Carmel, it's on www.dlisted.com it was posted today, tagged blind items. Michael K also always links to wherever he got it. It's the last one of four or five items.