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mamie614
Lauren meets her favorite designer and doesn't STAND UP to greet him?! Can I call bullshit editing on that one and pretend they met earlier?
kittkat
This show is duller than it is fake, which is saying something. You'd think with all the arranged jobs, arranged friendships, arranged meetings and arranged love interests there would be arranged drama. Sadly, no.

Lauren can't even be bothered to pretend to be interested in fashion anymore. It is really pitiful that she only lights up or shows any enthusiasm when a boy, who is clearly using her, pays attention to her.
SimpleLife
I was thinking the EXACT same thing mamie614!!!

Also...I've never really been one to notice all the editing problems, but after last weeks show I guess I'm paying a little more attention. Did anyone else notice that when lauren left the NY Teen Vogue offices she had on black nail polish (I noticed it when she pushed the button for the elevator) and when she arrives at the mark jacobs photo shoot, her nails are red!! tell me someone else saw that and I'm not going crazy!
kakel
She seemed so out of it this entire episode. Probably cause she actually had to work and pretend to be interested in something. The "I miss Brody" says it all. She loves her Hollywood lifestyle the most..
quelleverte
Well. That was a fairly boring episode. And I honestly don't think either of them would do well in New York.
saralin
No Audrina, no Heidi, minimal Spencer and Brody and tons of Whitney and Teen Vogue? Wee! I missed Lo though. It was nice to see Lauren do something other than go to Les Deux, but I can't believe she was so nonchalant about meeting Marc Jacobs! That was crazy. She doesn't seem excited about what she's doing, though, and that's disappointing. There's more to life than boys...

And more weird nail polish business? Ugh, not again.
AfroJo
Lauren meets her favorite designer and doesn't STAND UP to greet him?! Can I call bullshit editing on that one and pretend they met earlier?


I can't afford a damn thing in his collection and even I would trip over my feet running to shake his hand.
sking2
I think she had to have met him earlier, because she seemed so excited when talking to Whitney about meeting MJ!! Or maybe she didn't want to get all fangirly on him. That whole scene was weird!!
swhite
I agree, beyond dull. How long did we have to watch Lauren and Brody lay together on the couch...candles burning, doing NOTHING except...Lauren turns down the volume on the remote.

I don't know if it's obvious to everyone or what, but Brody just doesn't seem into her at all.

Could she seem less interested in her supposed favorite designer? And she was all Paris-Hilton-little-girl-voice when talking to him. Weird!
tanyak
Yeah, that whole Marc Jacobs greeting was so fake. At least PRETEND you've never met the man and show some spirit.

I also called BS on Whitney's meeting. I knew it couldn't be a bad as they were making it out to be. And, obviously, I don't work in fashion, but I didn't think Whit's dress was really appropriate for a meeting with the big boss. I thought LC looked much more pulled together and professional, but still fashionable, in her gray dress.

You don't tell a cabbie in NYC an address- you tell them the cross streets of where you're going (i.e. Spring and West Broadway, not "72 Spring St")


But if you aren't familiar with the city, how do you know what the cross streets are? I travel there occasionally for business, and I don't know any cross streets. I just give the address, unless it's Javits. Then I just yell, Javits. :)
teeveefiend
Was Brody wearing concealer? Spencer still sounds sooo angry whenever he mentions LC's name. It's scary. He sounds obsessed with making life hell for her or something. Whitney looked gorgeous, but she was a little overdressed. I loved Lauren's grey dress though. They need to bring back Lo. An episode without her just isn't the same. Next week, JustinBobby's back!

ETA: The less Heidi the better. I hope the editors follow suit for future episodes.
MissPinkKate
You don't tell a cabbie in NYC an address- you tell them the cross streets of where you're going (i.e. Spring and West Broadway, not "72 Spring St")

And yea, Whitney's dress... come on. A cocktail party, maybe, but to give a presentation to your boss' boss?
Skylar00
There was no spark in tonights episode but Lauren looked great in her tight fitting gray dress. :) ;) I don't know where "The Hills" is heading at this point. The show really needs Spencer and Brody and Heidi and Lauren showdowns to get some excitement and tension back into the show. And Lo needs to be a major factor for the rest of the season because she speaks her mind and stirs the pot.
betha
My strongest impression from this episode was also that she didn't stand to meet Marc Jacobs... or even look excited.

With regard to the editing, didn't Lisa Love say they were to return immediately after the meeting? I took that to mean they'd be arriving to NY in the morning on the red-eye, have the meeting, and return that same day to LA. But they had a hotel room and talked about how much fun they had in NY together...? Was this the same trip where they had that staged dinner?
Imrahil
As soon as they said LC was leaving and not going to be in the presentation with Whitney, I immediately starting feeling bad for Whitney, which ended up being a well-founded feeling. Poor girl!
Lolafalona
I'm still enjoying the heck out of this show even when its boring. All the fabe places they get to go, things they get to do, clothes they wear. Lauren looked gorgeous in her dress, what a figure on her. Whitney's dress was not office appropriate, but she still looked amazing. Poor Lauren probably thought she was going to only speak with that Marc Jacobs lady, not be put to work styling skinny models, don't blame her for looking unenthusiastic.

Brody needs to stop playing around and start dating her again.
fashionista79
Man, the most staged moment in this episode tonight was that "meeting" outside of Bolthouse between Frankie and Spencer. Frankie did not sound natural at all.
MissPinkKate
I bet Lauren is tired of having to "work" at Teen Vogue. She's a star! A flash-in-the-plan reality TV star, but a star none the less. Having to actually do something and introduce herself like nobody knows who she is must not be her idea of a good time.
thecandlemelts
introduce herself like nobody knows who she is must not be her idea of a good time.

which reminds me, another thing on the show that is totally fake. No way the people at vogue don't know who she is.
TucsonMike
ETA: The less Heidi the better. I hope the editors follow suit for future episodes.


No doubt. Nice to see she's taking her "career" (such as it is, whatever it is) seriously - at least she was dressed appropriately for the office this ep.

Man, the most staged moment in this episode tonight was that "meeting" outside of Bolthouse between Frankie and Spencer. Frankie did not sound natural at all.


Certainly seemed pretty "random" that Frankie and Spencer would happen to be there at the same time, especially with Frankie's ham-handed explanation about why he was there (to pick up a paycheck from working a club with Brent). Sidenote - Frankie has maintained his position (very Switzerland of him) going back to the original falling out between Lauren and Heidi. He seems like one of the more real people on the show, like Lo. (More of those two playing tonsil hockey!)

Anyone else creeped out about Spencer "reaching out" to Brody at the end of the ep? This has get-back-in-tight-with-my-homeboy-Brody-only-to-get-closer-to-my-new-stalking-victim-Lauren written all over it. And can they edit the fucking bad facial hair out already? Jeez.

P.S. - Got a little happy with the "quotation marks." Sorry. Poor form. [/protruding bottom lip and pouty face]
iluvtv313
So Lauren has gotten too-cool-for-school to meet Marc Jacobs??? I think she's letting this show go to her head a bit, and probably didn't want to seem starstruck. Get over yourself!!! Even the most famous people in the world admit to getting nervous and tongue-tied around their idols. I can only hope they did 500 takes of that meeting, and she had gotten tired of standing so many times, but something tells me that was not the case. I thought Whitney did a decent job at her first presentation and shame on the editors for making her look like an idiot.
Imrahil
So is LC the only one of these people that's in school?
natachaj
I really enjoyed this episode. It reminded me of season 1 when the show focused on the girls and their career. As oppose to this season where we have seen them drunk at les deux too many times. First, I want to say that LC has met Marc Jacobs already. She sat in the front row of his Fall 07 fashion show this february and there was a picture of them together is some magazine. Thus, the first time meeting was forced for television.

Both Lauren and Whitney looked gorgeous and did ok at their respective jobs. Whit handled the questions thrown at her during her presentation appropriately. It looked like she was going to cry at one point but she pulled through. Lauren was not expecting to dress model especially with the high heel shoes she was wearing. However, she did her job and seemed somewhat excited about playing with the clothes.

Every scene between Brody and LC leaves me wanting. He has the same mannerisms as spencer and that is creepy! They certainly have great chemistry and I think that he is definately into her. However, we all know that they are not dating in real life. The last scene was too cute. I just love him telling her that " there are too many pillows" between them. They would make a gorgeous pair but I doubt it will happen.

Spencer is obssess with Lauren and he is obviously delusional. I have never read anything about Lauren saying negative stuff about Spencer. Was he not the one who wrote a whole blog on his site about LC? Anyway, Spencer needs to let go whatever feelings that he has for Lauren because she actually does not seemed to be affected by either him or Heidi anymore. She has moved on from the drama.

Lastly, I cannot wait for next week: the return of Justin Bobby!!!
kittkat
So Lauren has gotten too-cool-for-school to meet Marc Jacobs??? I think she's letting this show go to her head a bit, and probably didn't want to seem starstruck. Get over yourself!!!

I didn't take it as her being stuck up. I think she's just totally devoid of enthusiasm for anything other than batting the lashes and getting dressed. It seemed like she was barely able to keep from yawning and rolling her eyes at the entire New York trip. It's one of the many things that makes her seem so hollow and these opportunities so wasted.

It's so obvious that she does not have any duties at Teen Vogue. Most of the time her computer isn't even on, and when Lisa Love is handing out assignments she talks only to Whitney and gives Lauren a small nod every once and a while as if to say "And you are also occupying space in this room".
frankie1985
I don't know where "The Hills" is heading at this point.


I agree. This season just feels so...aimless. I know it's meant to be a snapshot of the lives of four girls in LA, but I felt like the previous two seasons had themes and a trajectory. Season 1 was about Lauren and Jason, Season 2 was about the breakdown of Lauren and Heidi's relationship, but Season 3? I just don't feel like I'm heading anywhere; there's no journey. Maybe they're trying to sell Lauren and Brody's story, but I'm just not buying it.

And word to Lauren's meeting with Marc Jacobs. I'm sure she met him beforehand, but a "thank you for having me at your studio today," would'nt have gone astray.
Gharlane
You know it's bad when the most interesting part of the episode is observing Spencer's magical facial hair. Speaking of which, Brody needs to lay off on the mascara and eyebrow liner. It didn't look good on him at all. It was nice to *FINLLY* see Whitney, but boy was her presentation painful to watch! Could that chance meeting between Spencer and Frankie at the back door of Bolthouse be any more fake? I got the same vibe from Heidi and Spencer's meeting in the next scene as well.

(mamie614)
Lauren meets her favorite designer and doesn't STAND UP to greet him?! Can I call bullshit editing on that one and pretend they met earlier?
Yeah, she didn't seem all that excited, did she?
Wreckless
Lauren sat front-row at Marc Jacobs fashion show either earlier this year or last fall. She and Audrina also attended his private after-party so Lauren has met him before. In the fashion world you don't act fangirly over designers. She would have looked very LA doing that.

I thought she acted appropriately under all circumstances. Lauren has been doing castings and shoots like this for 2-3 years now so I don't expect her to show up acting like it's going to be funtime. Also she showed up in business attire and was unexpectedly put to work. She didn't complain or sulk. She did her job and apparently did it well--- in heels no less. I didn't see Lauren acting any differently than the other people who were working there. None of them were beaming from ear-to-ear. It was all business and everyone was professional.

Whitney has never been articulate. I think Lauren would have actually done better at that presentation because she has done public speaking quite frequently in the past.
frankie1985
My fear is that this show simply doesn't work anymore. The Hills is sold to the audience as the real lives of young women in LA. This worked so well in Seasons 1 and 2 because all we knew about Lauren, Heidi etc was what we saw on screen.

But now there's so much media attention - photographers, bloggers, sex tape rumors - that we know what's going on in their lives before it makes it onto the show. We knew about Lauren and Bunney reuniting, we knew about the Speidi engagement, we knew about Katja and Jason. And so when we finally see it on The Hills, we can see straight through the editing. We know when the timelines are messed up, we know when they're trying to make us believe something that's not true, because we saw it all go down on Perez Hilton a month before.

You'd think the producers would realize that and change the format a little, but they haven't. Somehow, they expect us to believe that Marc Jacobs and Lauren met for the first time at that model casting. But everyone knows they've met before at least once. The producers need to stop this charade that Lauren is an unknown intern at Teen Vogue. Everybody knows she's famous right now.

I don't know. It just seems like once you spot one little crack in the editing, you can't stop looking, and then you see them everywhere.
Brittanysauras
Even if Lauren has met Marc Jacobs before, it was obvious they were making it look like they were meeting for the first time. So, STAND UP and greet him and maybe tell him how much you enjoy his designs. I don't care if they are best friends and get lunch together every other day, her stupid show is trying to make us believe that they met for the first time that day, so at least play the part. She was obviously in on it too, because she was going on and on to Whit about how she's going to hug LL over that.

I don't know if Lauren comes across this way in real life, but it always seems to me like she is really slow to process things. When I watch her face when she's getting told what to do she has this blank look, and then she takes a little while to say mmhmm or whatever. It irks me.
lazybonita
Lauren sat front-row at Marc Jacobs fashion show either earlier this year or last fall. She and Audrina also attended his private after-party so Lauren has met him before. In the fashion world you don't act fangirly over designers. She would have looked very LA doing that.


I was thinking that she already knew him, I just couldn’t remember the specifics.

I don’t think that it would have seemed giddy or ‘LA’ for her to be respectful to a client in a work situation. As this was arranged by Teen Vogue when she was on a business trip, I’d expect her to act as a representative of Teen Vogue. Could you imagine Lisa Love sitting down when Marc entered?

To me, it seemed like she was almost insulted that, EVENTHOUGH she already knew Marc Jacobs, they STILL had her doing intern work. Him pointing out how important her task of alphabetizing was confirmed that suspicion for me.
Porky
Lauren looked amazing in her gray dress, but she was rocking some serious panty lines.
On the other hand, I'm just glad she was wearing underwear at all!
chips and salsa
I was thrown by the timeline by this one, because wasn't it the same gray dress she wore when she met Trey for lunch in NYC? Which was also when she was on Regis & Kelly? Clearly they weren't in NYC just for the morning!
sassykath
introduce herself like nobody knows who she is must not be her idea of a good time.
which reminds me, another thing on the show that is totally fake. No way the people at vogue don't know who she is.



I know what you mean, and yes, the show kind of treats us like simpletons in expecting us to believe that Lauren is some unknown intern working her way up in the "fashion world". However, just a few weeks ago I worked on a show with Martin Sheen, and he seriously walked up to me before I even had the chance to introduce myself and said "Hello! Nice to meet you, I'm Martin." Like, duh! I know who you are, Mr. President! But I thought it was very classy of him to not assume that I recognized him, and showed he just wanted to be treated as people. So maybe Lauren is classy, like Martin Sheen?
Setlist
This episode was kind of blah. I noticed one ill-placed voice over when Whitney and Lauren were in NYC. They could at least up the volume to try and make it sync up, or something. And of course, the aforementioned wardrobe changes. It was just uneven, and not very interesting. Did they fire the editors?

The Brody thing is getting old for me. It seemed sincere at first, but now it really seems staged. Also, they kind of threw it in the end, like they threw in the subplot about Spencer and Brody's friendship.
Spaz
I didn't miss Audrina, and it was nice to see Whitney. Although girlfriend definitely should have rehearsed her big presentation. And I think her lack of understanding about what to wear did make her look super-young and very stereotypically "L.A.," and that's probably why she was getting nailed. I did enjoy Lisa Love ribbing Whitney at the Young Hollywood party tasting about her dress for that meeting; it delivered the message without being mean or condescending. That Lisa Love is a pro.

About the NYC cab thing...cabbies know the cross streets in Manhattan based on the number of the building; the smaller the number, generally speaking, the closer to the center of the island. Sure, it's helpful if you know the cross streets, but the cab driver should know his way around Manhattan, at least, and get you roughly where you are going. (Most cabbies I've talked to also said they can tell if they are driving around someone who lives in the city or a visitor/tourist.)
PetuniaP
I live in NYC and I give cabbies addresses all the time. Just because I live here doesn't mean I know the cross streets of every single address I am ever given. And sometimes I'm too lazy or too short on time to look it up. 72 Spring Street is perfectly acceptable.

I was also surprised when Lauren didn't get up to be introduced to Marc Jacobs. Being a friend of Marc's is a coup in the fashion world....think of all the bags and shoes! So staged or not, Lauren should have gotten off her butt and greeted him properly. I will say that it was a bit rude to put her to work when she got there. She's a Teen Vogue intern...not a March Jacobs one! I admired her sticking to the heels though...that's very fashion.

It kind of bums me out that Brody is using Lauren to be on TV. I hope that Lauren isn't getting too attached and that they still hang out when the season is over. They run in the same circles and seem to get along so even if there isn't a romantic attachment, there's no reason they shouldn't be friends. And I hope that Brody sticks to the plan of kicking Spencer to the curb. That friendship has run it's course.
Mrs Snark
To me, it seemed like she was almost insulted that, EVENTHOUGH she already knew Marc Jacobs, they STILL had her doing intern work. Him pointing out how important her task of alphabetizing was confirmed that suspicion for me.


I don't understand what you mean about the alphabetizing. I thought he was being facetious about the alphabetizing. He clearly thought it was a mundane job.

I also was confused why they would send an intern to a specific designer when they are suppose to be a (relatively) unbiased publication.

While Lauren should have kept up appearances, and stood up, I thought she was pretty understanding about how they put her to work. Especially because this is around the time everybody thought she was going to be 'walking' in the Marc Jacobs fashion show.

And did I spot Chanel Iman sitting on the casting couch? Love her!
cnsjasmbs
While Lauren is more professional than Whitney in certain regards (what was up with that cocktail dress - and who the heck wears strapless to a present at a meeting?!?!? And how are you not going to practice what you say when you're ), the failure to stand up may be as much about her age as anything else. I have had to teach my 25 year old employees to get off of their tushes when they are greeting people. Loved loved loved the grey dress. If someone knows where it came from, please hip the rest of us to it.

I also was confused why they would send an intern to a specific designer when they are suppose to be a (relatively) unbiased publication.

MJ is re-staging his runway show for the Young Hollywood Party, so I suspect they wanted to show their appreciation by getting a bit of airtime for him.

Frankie's calling it like he sees it-ness does blend well with Lo's bluntness. I bet the two of them on a roll is nothing but hysterical.

What's so funny is Spencer's whole "LC is my enemy and she does nothing but talk bad about me" bit. Meanwhile, Lauren is trying to keep out of Brody's way so he can do what he needs to do with his friendship.
Lolafalona
I loved MJ's little smirk over "meeting" Lauren for the first time. It was so obviously staged, therefore I didn't see the need for Lauren to stand up. His clothing were hot, I wanted every piece showed last night.

And did I spot Chanel Iman sitting on the casting couch?
Gorgeous girl unfortunately named after two icons.
Gharlane
(Mrs Snark)
I don't understand what you mean about the alphabetizing. I thought he was being facetious about the alphabetizing. He clearly thought it was a mundane job.
I thought he was being sarcastic at her expense. I also wondered why the woman with the super long bangs sent LC over to meet the designer but it turned out she had been volunteered for duty over there. Did I miss them tell LC she was needed to help out there?
apdwife
I might get jumped after class for this, but I absolutely hate Whitney's clothes. They aren't cute or flattering, or appropriate (although, living in a small town in Georgia, appropriate might be different here than LA or New York, I acknowledge). I just don't like them. She should have called Heidi and borrowed a pencil skirt.
Brody and Lauren, I find cute. I don't know if it's real or staged, and really I don't care. It doesn't affect me in real life, now does it? But one of my all time absolute favorite activities is snuggling up with my hubby and watching a movie or tv or just laying around. It's just cozy and nice and wonderful, and so I got a warm fuzzy feeling when Brody started talking about there being too many pillows between them, because I've heard that one before. My feelings about their interaction may be biased as my hubby is a cop and he works nights and so I have no one to snuggle with most times, but it made me smile a little bit just the same.
I missed Lo too, but mostly I am starting to miss hearing Heidi say how she didn't do ANYTHING! It's my new Mantra, and I miss my inspiration.
YuppieLawyer
That episode was really boring. And I agree that Lauren should have stood up when MJ came to meet her. It doesn't matter who he is or whether she's met him before. If someone is standing when he introduces himself to you, it's polite to stand up to greet him. And Whitney was dressed totally inappropriately for a business meeting. She also did a really poor job answering questions or responding to Amy's challenges about things. She needed to have answers at the ready for why things were planned.
nouseforaname
Perez mentioned that they were in the same cab (same #) on both days.
Now when I watch this show I spend the whole time looking for shit like this.
Its my new drinking game!
When Lauren's nail polish changes---- Drink!
When Spencer's facial hair changes---- Drink!
When Heidi forgets her lines---- Drink!

Ugh.
KWittman
Okay, I give up. I have tried to continue drinking the Kool-Aid, because it makes the show more fun, but they are just making it impossible.

Spencer "accidentally" running into Frankie just "picking up a check from Bolthouse?" Here's how I picture that "accidental" meeting:

S: "What are you doing here?"
F: "Just picking up a check from Brent."
S: "Did you see Heidi?"
F: "No."
S: "Did she know you were coming in to pick up a check?"
F: "I don't know."
S: "You mean you came all the way here to pick up a check and you didn't ask to see Heidi?"
F: "Um, no?"
S: "I'll just be asking Heidi about that, then."


And to Heidi:

S: "You know I find it curious that Frankie would be here picking up a check and you didn't know about it."
H: "What?"
S: "You saw him, didn't you? What did you talk about?"
H: "Frankie? What do you mean?"
S: "Just come out with it. No way he's here "just picking up a check." What was he REALLY doing here?"
H: "Where, here? I don't get it."
S: "I'm not stupid, you know. Are you rolling with that crew again?"
H: "What crew? Oh, you mean like the sport? Where you row?"

OHHHH well .... way too much investment in this nonsense.

Yes, boring episode, and I agree, Brody looked weird, a little bit like that strange-looking boyfriend on Pageant Place. Is that what guys look like when they wear makeup but try to look like they aren't? Brody looked oddly pasty and puffy.

I also thought the lighting was starting to look a little strange. I wondered if it was the tint on my TV, but my other channels looked normal.
thispooiscold
Spencer's eyes in the scene where he calls Brody were downright scary. They were all shifty and weird. He totally reminded me of the psychotic bald guy in Identity. Which, well, fits.
SilverPoet
I actually don't have a problem with Lauren not "jumping" to greet Mark Jacobs. I think that she was in the middle of doing a job for him, and therefore didn't want to act-like a superfan moron, but instead like someone who's doing the job they were told to do. They did have a cute little joke about the alphabetizing, and I think that was enough to make that connection. IMO she was trying to come off as dedicated and non-googly, so it was overemphasized and looked almost the opposite.

Also, if it is true that she's met him before, I'd imagine she'd want to look interested and involved in the task at hand, not in being chit-chatty. She did make her point about it being a boring task, but something she was still trying to with some dedication.

Bleh, Whitney comes off as a moron when she speaks. Her presentation didn't seem focused at all.

Spencer is still a creep.
mamie614
Loved loved loved the grey dress. If someone knows where it came from, please hip the rest of us to it.


It's the Jackie O Black Halo dress. Here it is in black.
Brittanysauras
. I think that she was in the middle of doing a job for him, and therefore didn't want to act-like a superfan moron, but instead like someone who's doing the job they were told to do.


I think you're giving Lauren too much credit. She never looks into anything she's doing when it comes to fashion, and I think this just adds to the list.

What I don't understand is, why does she still "work" for Teen Vogue? That part of her life is only on-camera once in a blue moon, so I can't imagine the MTV producers are insisting she keep the job. They'd be just as happy showcasing her dating and doing nothing. So, why does she still pretend to work there? How many interns at a fashion magazine have their own fashion line? It's pointless.
teeveefiend
The producers/editors ignore the fact that she's already been on the cover of Teen Vogue twice, has her own fashion line, is a spokesperson for mark and is on Us Weekly on the regular because they're trying to hide the fact that these girls are somewhat famous. They still make her "intern" at Teen Vogue because they want her to seem like a regular 21 year old trying to make it in LA.

They were able to pull it off better in the 1st season, but it's getting old now. If they have a 4th season, I wish they'd show these girls on the red carpet, Lauren working on her line, Heidi trying to sing, etc. I would much rather see Spencer shooting Heidi's music video and making deals with papparazi on the Hills than to have to watch her "work" at Bolthouse.

ETA: Did anyone else think it was weird that Spencer got more screentime than Heidi this episode?
tvallthetime
But now there's so much media attention - photographers, bloggers, sex tape rumors - that we know what's going on in their lives before it makes it onto the show. We knew about Lauren and Bunney reuniting, we knew about the Speidi engagement, we knew about Katja and Jason. And so when we finally see it on The Hills, we can see straight through the editing. We know when the timelines are messed up, we know when they're trying to make us believe something that's not true, because we saw it all go down on Perez Hilton a month before.


Agreed and I agree with teeveefiend. The show is becoming harder and harder to enjoy because I find it harder and harder to believe that anything I see is real.

With that said, if what Brody said about his friendship with Spencer is true, wow. If even your best friend of so many years thinks that your behavior is atrocious, you really have problems.
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