Seattle Grace's new head of Cardiothoracic surgery. Don't make her cut a bitch, cause she will totally go there.

She rubs the lotion on her skin or else she gets the hose again, bitch!

Her interactions with Christina are going to be priceless. I don't get the angst, though. She acted like she respected her the last time she was a SGH. It will be interesting.

Yeah, I'm really not getting why Hahn is all on Cristina's nuts now when one dead daddy ago it seemed like she thought Yang was the kind of surgeon she could take under her wing.

Is this the season of inappropriate, psuedo-feminist grandstanding? Because that's the only reason I can think of that Hahn has to be upset with Cristina and her relationship choices.

I think aliens took the part of Hahn's brain that witnessed Cristina's awesome surgeon skills and replaced it with cotton candy. Cause really, saying Cris is so talentless she has to sex her way into getting any O.R. time? DOES NOT COMPUTE. She knows Cris is talented and said so. She doesn't get to call Cristina a whore. Heh. Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing more of her and those scarlet scrubs of hers.

When we first met Dr Hahn when she was nice to Christina, she didn't know Christina from Adam. She was just another doctor to her. But then she found out about Burketina. Then she found out about Tremor Gate. Maybe she is on Christinas ass coz she cut her some slack with Burke presuming that it was a genuine love relationship. But then Marlowe shows up and lo and behold, Christina had a 'relationship' with him too. Her mentor. What a coinky dink !

The world of hot shot surgeons in Seattle is not all that big. Gossip about the doings of docs at SGH (especially ones as famous as Marlowe is) makes it all the way to the peeps at Seattle Pres. So Dr Hahn hears it and puts 2 and 2 together. I can't say I blame her.

I love her and I adored her calling Burke out on his arrogant, all knowing bullshit in S2 and Christina now in S4. Long may it continue.

Haha, wow, great title for this thread!

The thing about Erica Hahn is not so much that I dislike her, even the idea of her character. It's that the last thing this show needed was another regular cast member to throw into the mix.

I'm almost getting the feeling that this show is going to become this revolving door, similar to ER. I mean, I guess not that flip-floppy with characters, but I'm just saying, SGH is getting pretty crowded, and this character, IMO, wasn't needed, she doesn't have a solid connection to any of the current characters.

That said, she appears to be here to stay, so I'll just suck it up as always. I'm semi-interested to see how she fits into the show, the connections she'll form... I just don't see her having any connections with the former interns, other than Cristina, who at the moment she's just been downright hateful to.

I agree. The regular cast and the recurring guest cast had gotten so big in S4, it was just too much. It was too many characters all competing for screen time and none of them ever got a satisfying amount. I really hoped that TPTB would use the departures of Burke, Ellis, Susan, Addison etc to get the show back to lives of core cast members and leave all the additional stuff out. But with the intoduction of Dr Hahn (and Lexie and Norman etc ) that just gets shot all to hell and that sucks.

But if anyone needs to become a regular it is her imho. The hospital needs a cardio doc, it feels weird with out one. Plus, she was first introduced a long time ago, so her popping up now seems organic and not forced. So if they keep her a recurring character (kinda like Ellis) who matters in the overall context of the show, but who is not in each and every episode I can deal with that for now.

From Brooke's Ausiello interview:


I love that Sandra and Brooke are trying to get a Cris/Hahn hook up on the show. I swear, the writers probably threw in that "I like men." comment just to get them to shut up about it.

Welcome to Dr. Hahn. What a nice surprise that she'll be a regular. If they had to add more people, I'm glad they added her. It totally makes sense to me from previous storylines to replace Burke with her.

Here's to hoping she finds out about Izzie and the LVAD and gets Richard to initiate procedings against that girl and get Izzie's sorry butt thrown out of the program once and for all. May she have been brought in as an angel of karmic revenge for Izzie.

I think Hahn's smack down on Cristina really wasn't about Cristina's surgical skills, because she does know that she has them. I think she is just really pissed off Cristina seems to have a habit of sleeping with her superiors. It's really hard for a female surgeon to be respected and you take a lot of that respect away when you sleep with your superior. It doesn't matter how good you are, people will always say you slept your way to the top.

Really I think she was pissed off that such a talented surgeon would allow herself to get labeled that way. So, she gave her the smack down.

Since the majority of the characters on the show act like teenagers I'm very happy that we have another more mature no-shit character now. I've been hoping for her addition since season 2. So YAY!

Exactly! Hopefully Dr. Hahn will remain grown up and they won't find a way to make her all teenagerish and immature. I like her no-nonsense, take no-prisoners attitude and I look forward to her smacking down Izzie and Cristina regularly: Izzie because she's the most selfish, self-absorbed, immature, it's all about me character in history; and Cristina because she needs someone even colder and more unemotional than she is to stand up to her and hold her accountable to her potential as a surgeon. I love Cristina but if she's not going to get too egotistical she needs a source of professional challenge and frustration and I think, sans Burke, Hahn is the only one that can provide that for her.

In that sense, I hope Cristina and Hahn don't fall in love. Not because I don't want a lesbian relationship, but it would be nice for Cristina to have a mentor/mentoree relationship without sex being involved.

Now that Hahn is at SGH I hope more than anything the man who was supposed to get the heart that Izzie stole shows up. I'd love to see Izzie meet that family and have her watch him die and finally see the ramafications of what she did.

Does Dr. Hahn know about the tremor thing? Surely that would have made her list if she did. In my opinion Cristina repeatedly hiding Burke's tremor and using the opportunity to assist in all those amazing surgeries, plus whatever happened with her and the OR board and her assistance in the LVAD debacle would be more than enough to write her off without even getting to her inappropriate, unprofessional relationship with her superior. Cristina is the most frequently, deliberately insubordinate and law-breaking doctor on the staff. I hope Dr. Hahn throws that in her smug face constantly.

I do too. Christina sorely needs taking down a peg or two and Dr Hahn is just the person to do it. I bet she does know about Tremor Gate. Something like that would be very hard to keep quiet in the surgical community, even if Dr Hahn works at another hospital. Gossip spreads like wildfire. If Tremor Gate involved any other doctor it would probably go right over her head. But Burke was her arch nemisis since they were in grad school. Hahn would keep her ears pricked for any and all gossip concerning him. If she didn't know about Tremor Gate before she arrived, I bet some one clued her in within 5 minutes of her arrival and she was only too happy to hear it.



I agree. I want Dr Hahn to stay an adult and not morph into a teenager with a scalpel over night. One of the early reviews of S4 said that the show was going to really miss Burke and Addison as the show needs adults (like them) acting like adults for the most part and providing occasional voices of sound reason, to counter act the interns acting like idiots. I agree with that. Dr Bailey can't do it all by herself. She needs help in that department and Dr Hahn would be perfect for that imho.

I agree. Hahn's major issue with Cristina, IMO, is that Cristina has elevated herself out of the position of second-year resident and believes she's on par with the attendings. That's why she just laughed at Cristina's stupid, stupid speech - it reaffirmed everything Hahn had already surmised about Cristina. Until Cristina treats Hahn as a superior, I don't think she's going to be getting in on many of Hahn's surgeries.

I agree, she was a good choice. I look forward to not only to her interactions with Cristina, but with Derek and Mark as well.

I'm glad that they added Hahn- I would've paid money to see Burke and Hahn working together constantly. I think there was a thing in med school. (Haha! And I swear I'll never say it again.)

The idea of Cristina/Hahn having a relationship absolutely nauseates me. It really really does. I just think it's....not entertaining. If they were going to do something like that, they should've done it long before Burke and Cristina was established and it would've been way more believable, but to come up after four seasons with a character and be like, "Oh, by the way, I like girls too." is a little ridiculous and over-the-top.

And the whole blow up on Cristina was a little off key to me. Yeah, Cristina is smug and snide and snarky (thus why I love her) and she has broken the rules (definitely didn't cut any LVADs though.) but for Hahn to go off like that- she's seen her skills in the OR, she's cannulated George's dad's heart. As an intern. Hahn knows she's got chops in the OR. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Adding Hahn was the best casting decision they have made in ages.

I'm kind of thrilled, but also a little wary. From her behaviour, Hahn seems to be the Addison replacement. I'm not sure if I like that or not.

I agree. When she starts wearing sexy glasses then we'll definitely be sure this is Addy's replacement. Until then, I'm hoping the writers will be original like they have in making Hahn original and try not to assassinate her character...this season at least. Heh.

I agree. Her rivalry with Burke aside, she is a total blank slate. That is fabulous. They can write on her as they will and so far they have done a damm fine job. There are no automatic loyalties that we are supposed to have to her based on her relationship with anyone else on the show and that is just fabulous. It is so fresh.

I just hope that we get to know her as a person and as a doctor, before they dump her romantic life or her crushes on us, the way they did with other new arrivals like Lexie, Mark and Callie. Just let her be for a while.

I have no problem with her being bi, or gay. The show needs some more gay characters to make it more representative of society in general imho. The show has about 20 to 30 characters between the regulars and the recurring cast. Having Joe and Walter be the only gay characters (especially in a city as open and liberal as Seattle is) is just unrealistic. Just don't do it with Christina. To have her her go 'there' after being in 2 pretty long, back to back heterosexual relationships just smacks of a cheap, gasp inducing ratings stunt.

Bisexual people do in fact exist. Cristina strikes me as someone who considers her own sexuality to be her business so I fail to see why she would have brought it up in conversation. Considering that in the crazy GA timeline only a year has gone by, a year in which Cristina was linked to Burke pretty much full time without dating really anyone else, male or female, I don't see why her being bisexual would be "ridiculous".

That said, I'd prefer for Cristina not to hook up with Hahn for the simple fact that I'd like just one of these attendings to maintain a professional relationship with her residents/interns.

Thank you! I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've known tons of bi women, and the only thing they all had in common was keeping the gay side of their sexuality to themselves for years. You just don't talk about it if you don't have to. Anyway, much as I think a Hahn/Cristina hook-up would be super hot, I don't think the ABC execs are going to let it happen judging from how they reacted to the Robin thing.

And let me just say again that her calling Cris a no-talent h00r, after having praised her O.R. skillz really made Hahn look like she has some kind of split-personality disorder. Seriously, Hahn deserved a better Attending intro than that. I really want someone to tell her about LVADgate, but I think ShondaCo. may be saving that for sweeps. Assuming they can bring themselves to kick Izzie. We'll see.

I agree with this. I don't care if they make Cristina bi or not -- but I'm definitely not against the idea. It's just been a year...and Cristina lets people know things on a need to know basis (generally). It's completely in character for her not to have mentioned her sexual preferences because that's her business. The fact that she was with Burke for about a year makes no nevermind to me...a year long heterosexual relationship doesn't preclude her from dating a female and it wouldn't strike me as odd.

They already did. She came out to Hahn as a talentsexual this week.

To clarify, I don't care if TPTB explicitly make her bi.

Dr. Hahn is going to be entertaining because she clearly has contempt for people that let their messy personal drama get in the way of their work and shredded Cristina for sleeping with her mentors.

She has contempt for people who let their messy personal drama get in the way. And she now works with Meredith. And Izzie. And Derek. And George.

This will be fun, as long as they don't have her, like, sleep with George or something.

I think she may be the woman that finally tames Mr. Manwhore.

Yup, and even if she doesn't succeed it'll surely be funny to see her try.

If I can do some long term speculating here, what with the advice to not DIE ALONE from the profoundly alone meth explosion geezer from 4.02, I think the writers are setting up Mark to get with Hahn, with their major conflict being kids. She thinks they're overrated; he wants a family. Will she give in for his loooooove? Will he leave her if she doesn't? It's such a sickening conflict, but I would expect it on GA. Then, for sweeps, he can run away to LA, hook up with Addison, realize his mistake, hopefully before she brings up the infertility thing, whereupon he returns to Seattle, only to find Hahn has moved on to Yang-er pastures/adopted kids & hired George as a nanny.

Whom she will sleep with in Episode 18.

It is, in fact, THE LAW.

How in God's name could she have possibly known about Marlow? She's very well-informed for a newcomer, but she's not omniscient.

Brooke Smith becoming a regular doesn't sit well with me. If they were looking to add an older(-looking) female regular... hello, Kate Burton, people! I remember watching the scenes between lucid Ellis and Cristina and being totally awestruck. Kate Burton can really bring it, and she has so much more depth to her than Brooke Smith will ever have.

And it seems Hahn is all angst but doesn't have a lot to show for it. You hear all the other attendings being labelled 'the very best' at one point or another. The same can't be said for her. In fact, the contrary-when Burke was introducing her to Alex as being second in their class at Johns Hopkins, when George's parents asked Izzie why Burke was replaced for the surgery, she answered she didn't know, Hahn is good but Burke is the best. I don't think even Hahn herself believes she's up to par with Burke-when she was giving Derek kudos for having been the one to operate on Preston Burke, when she was telling Cristina that if she could be half as good as Burke, she'd be one heck of a surgeon.

Lastly, five Brooke Smiths can't replace IW.

BIG FUCKING WORD.

Brooke Smith is good, but she is never going to replace the intensity that Burke brought to the show.

That being said, I did love Hahn and I loved the dynamic that was there with Burke and Hahn and I was convinced there was a little bit of scorned between the sheet action from med school. I would've killed to see them together.

I still hope that she blasts Izzie to Mars if she ever finds out about the LVAD thing.

Seriously? I think Brooke Smith is awesome and I am TOTALLY LOVING Dr. Hahn. There was nowhere new to go with Burke anyway. I am so glad they brough Hahn on as a regular. It is exactly the breath of new life this show so direly needs.

I am WAY on Team Hahn!

Would Burke have asked if Mark and Derek were a couple? I think not.

Based on the way she treats Derek and Mark (and kinda sorta the Chief), I think she's the female presence this show has long needed. If there was a way to make Addison more hardcore and less susceptible to "Pretty and Prettier," all while being utterly snarkalicious, they did it.

Now they just have to keep her hardcore.

I'm loving me some Hahn. (Brooke Smith, you rule. And don't worry about being the "new Burke;" you're SO much funner to have around.)

I love her to bits and this is the first time I have ever felt that way about a new cast member. I really hope we get to know her as a person and as a surgeon before they dump the inevitable romantic crap in her lap, coz she kicks ass.

What is fascinating about Dr. Hahn is that she seems to be a stickler for the rules. She is going strictly by the book when she accuses the Chief (rightly, wrongly or too prematurely) of discriminatory practices by not including her in a proposed gentleman's evening with the 'pretty' boys.

This bodes very well for the future in terms of Izzme and the LVAD debacle. I think Hahn will be appalled at both LVADgate and TremorGate and I hope the shit hits the proverbial fan when she finds out. I hope she rips the chief a new one for being so lax with hospital policies and I hope Izzie gets fired for stealing a guy's heart. Hahn is the one that first used the phrase Karma Rocks. I hope she's the vehicle for some Izzme Karma! For me, that would almost compensate for the MerDer angst!

This is ShondaWorld. There are no real consequences for LVAD-gate for Izzie. Hahn will either never know about it or knows and doesn't care.

I know. Sigh! A girl can dream though can't she? :-)

But, given Hahn's character as portrayed so far, if she knew, she would care. Not that Shonda is consistent with her characters, but it's too soon for the writers to eff up Hahn's character (at least I hope so!).

I love Hahn and hate her all at the same time.

If Hahn was really a stickler for the rules, she wouldn't have called Derek and Mark pretty boys and accuse the chief of hiring based on looks, nor would she have asked if Derek and Mark are a couple.

She's not my favorite, but she looks like someone who could be a doctor. I wouldn't be quivering in fear if she were introduced as my treating physician like I would be if some of the others on the show were to see me in the ER.

Well Dr. Hahn comes right up their with Bailey as one of my favorite female characters on this show for the moment. I liked Addison, but Hahn's way more hardcore, and even if she does end up falling into bed with someone (Mark?), I don't think she'll be as emotional or hungry for man candy as Addison was (which is very refreshing). As for her attitude with Christina, I think she's just not into Christina's feeling entitled to work with her. Izzie may arguably feel entitled (wrongfully) to be with George, but she didn't act that cocky while working with Hahn this episode, while Christina assumed that Hahn would choose her. Perhaps in Hahn's eyes, Christina is doing everything female surgeons in a male dominated medical profession should not do: she's slept with her superiors and she feels entitled even though she's only a first year resident. Although I like Christina, I can understand how from Hahn's perspective, she can seem very intelligent but like a wild card professionally. There's a lot of negative things she can assume about Christina on face value, especially if she thinks Chris has had it easy.

And I'm glad she won't be the new Burke and that she's a girl that can be one of the boys and can coolly call them on their BS without being pushy or hysterical. But which one is "Pretty" and which one is "Prettier"? McSteamy is hot, but is anyone prettier than Derek?

Those were just jokes though. I like that she's got a good sense of humour. She's more like Derek and Mark than Burke in that respect. So, I listened to Smith's podcast and gained a little info on what the hell Hahn's trying to pull by shunning Cristina. Smith said she hangs out with this one female head of cardio, who told her that when she was doing her residency the attendings were brutally hard on her, "crushed" her, but the good part was they taught her everything she knows. Smith said that apparently Hahn is testing Cris to see how badly she wants cardio.

I think Hahn is a terrible hypocrite.

She has a problem with the gentleman's evening being analogous to racist country clubs, yet she has no problem suggesting the male attendings were hired for their looks. And I can't imagine any male doctor would get away with continually referring to two female doctors as "Pretty and Prettier" without getting a kick in the nuts or fired for sexual harassment. Jokes or no jokes.

Her analogy doesn't even make sense. It was an informal, friendly get-together between the chief of surgery and his attendings (who then happened to be only men) that was clearly being planned before she even started the job and not concealed from her in any way.

Maybe the character just jumps to conclusions. She seemed to do that with Christina last week. It doesn't make her less of a hypocrite, though; possibly, it makes her a bad doctor. It'll be interesting to see if she jumps to conclusions with patients as well or if it's only something she does with other doctors.

It'll also be interesting, given what she said to Christina last week, to see how she reacts to George being married to Callie or Alex having had a brief thing with Addison, if she ever finds that one out.

I'm loving Dr. Hahn. I'm not too wild about her treatment of Christina but I think in an odd way she is trying to teacher her lesson. I bet she doesn't think that Christina slept with Burke to get ahead. But I think she feels that because she slept with Burke Christina will have difficulty gaining respect later on. Hahn has been in a male dominated field for some time and I bet has had to work hard to get the respect she has now. I think in Christina she sees someone who has a great deal of potential and has jeopardized the respect of future superiors by sleeping with one. She's giving Christina a dose of what could happen if she isn't careful.

As for Izzie becoming her pet, I think Hahn is setting her up for a fall. Here is my insane theory. Hahn actually knows about the LVAD incident. She is bringing Izzie on board to expose Izzie to these patients and their families. Maybe right now she is hoping that by having Izzie see how desperate these people are Izzie will think of that man and his family that was supposed to receive the heart originally. Maybe even start to feel some guilt. Of course, that won't happen. So for now Hahn is left waiting for the right moment to strike. Maybe they get a patient and it appears the patient will get a heart. But then the patient is knocked down the list because another patient suddenly got sicker. Izzie will express sympathy. Then BAM! That's when Hahn strikes and asks Izzie if she felt bad for the patient who's heart she stole. We all know that Hahn would be brutal. I think it could happen.

Or maybe I just really want that smirk wiped off Izzie's face and I'm giving the writers too much credit as a result.

She can't have it both ways though. They were sexist jokes, ones that could bring her a lawsuit more readily than her unfounded claims of an old boys networks.



Basically.



I can see this...but her using Cristina's legitimate relationship with Burke is fucked up.