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Well, that was shit. And now he gets a free water-weight weigh-in to whoop it up with.

Jillian was seriously PISSED at Neil! I was hoping she'd knee him in the balls. I hope that they all take turns kneeing him in the balls, but since his loser/cheater teammates (if you help a guy cheat, you're cheating as well, IMHO) let him stay another week, I hope they all get kneed in their collective balls/ball equivalents.

Why would anyone vote for someone other than Neil? I realize that it worked, but what is the rationale behind deliberately gaining 17 pounds in order to get someone else voted off?

And why was Sami Brady wearing tape in her hair during the weigh-in?

I cannot believe I just saw that.

I hope someone kicks his ass. That sucked - what a jerk. I almost forgot about whiny Kim.

Neil was taking an AWFULLY big risk there, IMO. I kind of hate him for it. I also kind of hate Kim. No, not kind of. I DO hate Kim. I'm glad Amy jumped ship for Jillian, despite the fact that she didn't lose anything. I really wanted her to drop a ridiculous number just to give a twist in Kim's side.

Also, I have to say: I always knew Jez had an inner hottie! Lookin' good!

What's really interesting is that the Cowboy/Neil conversation was edited like Cowboy was mad at him, but Cowboy was in on the plan from the start.

Bravo, editors.

Slimy cheating scumbaggery makes its way into the Biggest Loser world.

Not just water loading, not just a team taking advantage of weird voting rules after a split to help assassinate another team--AFTER those teams have been abandoned--but also I think at least one Red team member had to be drafted to make the numbers work. At least one of the trios that voted Jez out only had one blue teamer, right? So the read teamer there had to have gone along with this crap.

Also of note: Kim still sucks. Her former team appears to have ALL walked away from her, some with quite a bit of scorn. I mean unless I missed something while flipping. Meanwhile, Jillian is awesome, although what good that's going to do her if there's a plan to knock off the black teamers one by one I don't know...

Wow. This episode was weird from middle to end. I can't believe Neil would do it when he wasn't guaranteed free from elimination. I also can't believe that it wasn't one vote for each person.

Bizarre wrong and sad.

Forgot to add that Jez looks great and congratulations to him for doing such a great job on his weight loss after leaving the campus.

I certainly hope Neil suffers somehow for this sort of dirty game playing. If only to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. What's the point of a show about losing weight when gaining weight can gain you a strategic advantage.

Can someone please explain to me exactly what "water loading" is, how it works, and why would anyone want to do it when the point is to lose weight?

And I'm still upset that Amy is here. WHY is she here? She got off lucky this time. I need her off of my TV. NO weight loss and still here.

Though yes, I'm pissed at Neil.

I'm glad Jez is doing GREAT though! Wow, he looks awesome.

They need to make water loading illegal -- like I think they do on Australia's version.

They also didn't think ahead as to how that was going to mindfuck everyone else in the house and mess with the energy/dynamics. I lost a lot of respect for everyone that didn't condemn him straight out. I don't even think I care who wins now. Between Kim's bizarre me-me-me behavior and flat out poaching of ethical people, I think this show can bite me.

My husband and I have been going back and forth on the whole strategery thing---I'm a huge Survivor fan, and my favorite players are those who take risks. My least favorite are those who rely on "integrity"--there's no such thing in a game like Survivor.

However, I can't help but feeling there's something inherently different about Biggest Loser. I can't really put my finger on it---the closest I can come is that it's about more than winning within the context of the game. So I think what Neil did, strategy wise, was pretty stupid, and decency wise was just lame. Is he an evil person because of it? Probably not, but most of America and most of the rest of the Losers now despise him.

Wow. This season has been so full of drama, and now this.

I loved Jez, too! He looks amazing now. Grrr, Neil... I can't believe someone would do that on this show, of all reality shows. Bob must be so pissed at his team.

I really can't believe that Kae would go along with something like this. Do you think she knew ahead of time? She seemed awfully upset - all the crying.

They knew that each trio would get one vote. Therefore when they looked at the teams they figured out that they'd be able to assume that one of Neil's two teammates would go instead of him.

The water loading was cheating. The vote controlling was not cheating I suppose, but it WAS scumbaggery of the worst kind.


If two of the three members of the trio she belonged to voted to oust Jez, you'd better believe she "went along with it". There's no other possibility. At all. She scumbagged just as much as any of them.

I'd like to see them polled individually. I have no respect for anyone who didn't vote Neil. Jez deserved better. I hope Bob drops Neil. Actually they should make him workout on his own.

This episode was utterly disgusting, from start to finish. Whiners, crybabies, cheaters, and a whole lot of self righteous indignation.

And damn those editors for making me think that Amy was getting an elimination arc. Poor Jez. He looks and sounds like an older, bigger Micah from Heroes.

I'm not on the Isabeau love train either, but what the blue and red team did tonight was just wrong, and I want Neil to pay for it. And for the love of all things holy, PLEASE don't let it be revealed that Kae was down with this ridiculous plan from the beginning. I love her so much, and she's such a hard, dedicated contestant. Another four pounds. The girl is a machine.

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You posted this at the same time I was writing. I agree with MoreRidonkulous though, I just don't see how she COULDN'T have known. Shame, because it's going to be really hard to root for her now.
And the men are outnumbered. I'm thinking we're going to have a female Biggest Loser this year.

Jez looked fantastic. And let's be honest, righteous anger is a powerful motivator.

Neil took a huge risk, and I'm not even sure why his blue team is backing him. He'll post in the -20s at least next week (or should, anyway), which will keep him and Isabeau safe, but I doubt he'll be able to sway her vote to keep whichever Blue team member safe at the elimination.

Poor Jez. If we have learned anything from TBL, it's ALWAYS the person who has to pick the teams who ends up going home.

I'm surprised Kae was on Neil's side. She always seems to take the whole honesty thing pretty seriously.

Jillian is pisssssed. I would not want to be on the receiving end of that tirade. Awesome.

Ugh, Kim sucks. Kim? Amy's not your girlfriend. Get over it.

Wow. So Kae and Holly totally suck now. At the beginning of this episode I was rooting for them. By the end? Heck, go home and gain all the weight back. I don't care about either now. And the team before them who voted for Jez.

TBL has jumped the shark. A big 300+ plus shark named Neil. Way to go Neil. I hope Bob wipes the floor with him next week. As far as I'm concerned, they can all gain the weight back. Who cares anymore?

To me it's a very different thing. Survivor is stated as outwit, outlast and outplay (or something like that). Basically survive no matter what you have to do. Biggest Loser is predicated as losing weight. This sort of strategizing doesn't seem to fit with the show's stated mission.

The very worst of it is that it happened at the expense of Jez, who was all kinds of awesome. I was thinking throughout the whole episode how much I adored him, and that maybe he was actually my favorite. And then this. Neil, I hope you gain all of it back. There, I said it. And I meant it.

But I'll focus on the positive. Props to Amy for not taking any more of Kim's bullshit. She doesn't owe Kim anything. She was assigned Kim by random chance (with a little help from Phil's team-picking), and Kim has failed to help her. In fact, Kim did the opposite of helping her last week. Frankly, I'm a little appalled that Kim had the gall to take!it!personally! after she pulled that shit last week. The way Amy was powerhousing through that challenge, it looks like a new trainer has done her some good already, even if the numbers aren't showing it yet. (They're about at the point where plateauing might happen for some of them. It happens.) I went from disliking Amy to liking her just as quickly as I went from liking Neil to considering him the most odious reality-TV villain since Johnny Fairplay.

I'm not 100% sure the entire red team was in on it. All it would take is one of them, the one on the final trio, I think...


Actually, if he's willing to water load two weeks in a row, and the show LETS him, I believe he could theoretically pull the same stunt two weeks in a row. He'll have the same exact votes he had this week. One vote for himself, two votes for his opponent, and good bye Isabeau...

I agree. I think a major difference is that people come on TBL because they need to truly change their lives and get healthy physically AND mentally/psychologically/spiritually. It's not just a game. It's therapy and so the game playing feels like playing with people's lives and welfare. Integrity does matter in this context.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that in Survivor, if you don't win you go home back to your old life, whatever. On The Biggest Loser the people who go on it are at serious health risk. They need everyday in that gym to get them set on new habits. So when someone cheats they are not just playing a game they are cheating someone out of an experience that could effect their future health.



That sucked and Neil wasn't the only one who water loaded, that guy who gained one pound did too from the sounds of it. I lost all respect for the former Blue team members. I was routing for Kai but she played the game tonight and put her support behind the cheaters, so she can go home.

Black all the way baby!

At first I thought whoever gained the pound was the OMG BIG SHOCKER and I did an eye-roll, but when I saw the +17 I really did gasp. It was great how fast Hollie pounced on that--"How do you know how much a gallon of water weighs?" That said, I was PRAYING that Neil's water-loading would bite him in the ass. It broke my heart to see Jez go. Ugh...that whole thing was so horrifying and disappointing, and I suspect next season there will be some rule to prevent something like that happening again.

I still don't like Kim and how it's ALL ABOUT MEEEE. Seriously, her whining was all about how now she won't get the CREEEEEEDIT for changing Amy. Kim, Amy is deadweight anyway. Plus, saying that she would "never" want Amy to leave is a lie because she did pretty much throw Amy under the bus last week. I can't believe she was surprised that Amy was still resentful about that.

That said, I'm still not a fan of Amy and I loved the black team rolling their eyes at her dramatics when she switched to Jillian. I think next week she'll have a good week that'll make her glad to have switched to Jillian. Speaking of which, I love Jillian but I'm sure she offered to train Amy just to piss Kim off. Those two ladies just don't seem to like each other.

What staggered me (yup, among all the other shit Neil and co. pulled tonight) was Neil laughing when Jillian reamed him out for throwing the weigh-in.

Neil, considering that Jillian could probably snap you in half with her middle finger, engage a brain cell or two and just shut the fuck up.

First..Jez looks great! Good for him!

What a bunch of fucked up shit! 17 pounds! I knew right away that he water loaded it. What an ass! I felt really bad for Jez. Neil is one lucky bastard not getting voted off, I don't understand that at all..I know I know, strategy..stupid if ya ask me...

Poor Bob. I love Pissed!Off!Bob! I'll comfort him...

Omg, I am so sick of the crying, enough already!

I was waiting for a smug comment from Kim when Amy lost nothing.

Next week should be quite interesting to say the least.

See, I didn't think that was all that unusual. If you're living it and breathing calories and weight every day, I wouldn't be shocked if they knew how much water weighed. But props to Hollie for calling him on it.

I think I wanted to smack his face when he was all smug about it.

If the producers allow it to be, it could very well be a repeat of this week, but with Isabeau going at the end.

I think Hollie was plain out-voted, actually. She had a blue and a red on her team, so of course they're going to vote for a black team member. She might have swayed it to be Jez over Isabeau, but I doubt she was gunning for Jez over Neil.

I'm really surprised water-loading isn't banned on the show. No fair stealing the anorexics' trade secrets, Neil.

Yeah props to Holly for calling him on it, but then she and Kae and redneck boy voted against Jez. Yeah, great props to Holly. After last week they set her up for the sympathy vote but this week she and Kae totally blew it. Both are useless.

I don't think Holly voted for Jez, I think she was outnumbered by her Red and Blue Team members. She was crying buckets all the while so I think she was just feeling helpless.

Tonight's show disgusted me. I agree with all of the posters who said that it was more about drama and backstabbing than losing weight.
TBL is off of my Season Pass list.

That being said, I so loved Jillian's fake whisper to Amy: "Do you want to train with me?" Ha!

Wow, promo monkeys were right for once. I was shocked and let out a large gasp even though I knew the moment was coming.

I thought the producers were doing something to stop or penalize water loading. I don't know what they could do since he was up for elimination, but there has to be something. Maybe it only works for people that water load with immunity.

From a strategery pov, it was a right move so they could ensure they would control the vote. I liked Jaime and PG throwing the challenge last week on Survivor, but it just feels ickier on a weight loss show.

And really, with such a large number, I bet Neil could reap the rewards for a few weeks. He could water load a little bit next week and still post a negative number.

Seriously? 2 gallons?! That hurts my stomach just thinking about drinking that much water at once.

Well the red person on Hollie's team (who was it anyway?) didn't HAVE to vote the way they did to preserve their own place. It was a deliberate choice. Neil's scumbag plan included at least a red player (or might it be two? Someone has to figure this out...)

As far as I can tell, NO black player actively cooperated with the plan, and I'm not sure all of the red players had to have done so.


I read someone it's banned from the Aussie version of the show. But apparently they never got around to it here.

Staggering! They are now taking the term "Biggest Loser" literally. Anyone in on that plan is a Big Loser.

Strategy is not the same as cheating, douchebags.

I'm so hoping Neil becomes a pariah in that house. What an unethical dick. His family must be proud.

I don't understand why he's so willing to gain or risk gaining for strategy. That's so not what this show was supposed to be about. Wasn't he the one who stuffed his face to get an advantage in the temptation room?

Blue sucks. I think Jillian might be wrong -- it's not about the black team -- I think it might be about getting rid of Jillian, because she creates the most results. Or am I just paranoid now?

Neil is still in the game? I think everyone on this show is dead to me, and I really liked you, Kae! All that false weepery is just short of sickening, really. Only one team had two Blues to protect Neil, which means Red OR Black members had to vote against Black and keep a dirty player and one of the biggest threats to all of them in the game. Where's the logic there? And Neil spewing that garbage about how he did it to save his other poor Blue teammates from elimination? Please, that is so beyond believability. Kae, for one, doesn't need your help--she's kicking everyone's ass all on her own. Neil knows he's assured himself of a big weight loss next week, and I wouldn't trust for a second that he wouldn't drop a Blue from another team. He's already admitted that "he's playing the game." People are so painfully dumb.

And, I agree about strategizing and the obviously-misplaced belief that this particular show was somehow above that. Purposefully endangering your life to possibly gain an upper hand? Insanity. Chugging two or more gallons of water quickly can seriously harm or kill a person. Given that he had to overcome any possible weight loss from that week AND gain, I'd bet it was closer to 3 gallons. What if someone else tries it and gets hurt? It should be cause for immediate dismissal.

Way to go, Jez, for stepping it up and being awesome! Clearly better off without them.

Also wanted to say that Jez looked amazing at the end! Both me and my mom, who I was watching with, let out a "Wow!" when they showed what he looks like today. He was one of my favorites though, so it crushed to have him gone.

I'm really pulling for Isabeau now, just to spite the rest of those bitches. I don't really hold it against Holly that much, since Cowboy drawled on about how teams have to compromise--I think she was railroaded. She was crying buckets about it.

Angry!Bob was sexy, although he knew exactly what was going on before he came into the room, the way that he barked at everyone else. "That's good. YOU? Good. NEIL???"

Add my car to the Disgusting Neil Train.

I think Hollie was out-voted - I think that Cowboy and Kae voted for Jez and they took a majority vote to determine it.

I can't believe that Kae went along with this. I'm so bummed to dislike her a bit.

It was David, wasn't it? He seemed in on it anyway, as he was the one who "convinced" Neil to come downstairs.

I must say, good one, editors. Normally you get an hour's subterfuge before the weigh-in if someone's throwing it. (anyone remember all that footage of Matt chowing down at three in the morning?) They were good about not giving the game away.

That was disgusting! I was really hoping they'd send Neil home just for being such a blatant ass about it, but no such luck. I hope they freeze him out next week, and that Bob's revenge is horribly aversive. Grr!

If I were the Black Team, I'd be sorely tempted to spike Neil's food with a bit of extra salt to help him keep that water he loves so much.

Poor Isabeau, she may want to kick Neil but she actually needs him to do well next week because if they end up on the chopping block again she is going home, unless Neil's backstabbing, cheating friends decide to plunge the knife in him instead.

Neil gained 17 pounds.

If a gallon of water weighs 8ish pounds (I knew that - most dieters would) it means he would have had to drink MORE than two.

I can't believe that he would not have lost any weight in the workouts.

I only wish he would have done an Osmond from water intoxication!

More of the house was in on the plan than not in on it. So he won't. Except from the trainers, the black team players and um... I'm still trying to figure out if all three red teamers were in on this or not... Wouldn't Amy be the odd woman out if they hadn't all been?

I can't blame Neil if what he did was not against the rules. This was such a dramatic episode. Can our host please get a personality? Please?

Well, Amy did manage to not lose a single pound and we saw her work out harder then she ever did. Of course she had a couple thousand extra calories to burn off but she supposedly voted the same as her black team members as Julie said they were unanimous.

Seriously!?!? WTF was that? I cannot wait to watch Bob kick Neil's ass all over that gym. If I were Bob I would not even leave the ranch. I would be on him from the second he got up to the time I decided he could lay his head down. Bob is right about it looking bad on him. I know he had nothing to do with it but some one you are training gains that much in a week. Could you imagine what his stomach must have felt like after chugging two gallons of water?

This is the second time since summer I have actually felt rage toward a television contestant. Maybe I need to stop watching reality TV... It cannot be good for my health.