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Kim is such a big loser.

And not "in a good way".

No, not Phil! I thought Julie put it best for tonight's challenge that it wasn't the Red Team that won, it was Phil. He looked good though at home. He's doing well. Still disappointed that he's still not on the team.

Freaking tie. They really shouldn't have done that.

Even though that stands, Kim should NOT have been so blatantly cruel to Amy. It was just so obvious. She was just even more horrible this week, especially the cursing.

I only caught the very end of this, can anyone tell me what happened to Hollie on the black team? Also, I don't know how Amy held herself back from slapping Kim. Why didn't Kim just say "vote for Amy" that was horrible. Once again it's all about Kim and no concern for helping someone that obviously needs help.

Another question does the team that wins the weigh in know who the tie is between or can they choose anyone? Just wondering what would've happened if they picked B.

I agree, More Ridonkulous. I am sort of fascinated as to how her team is imploding. It bums me out that the teams will be shuffled next week, as I don't think it's fair to Bob and Jillian's folks to come under Kim's reign.

I do hope Kim keeps Amy; I can't stand Amy. When I see her it's nothing but drama, self-pity, permanent bitch-face, and not a hell of a lot of character and dedication. I am disappointed that Phil went home instead, but am thrilled to see his dedication pay off. He looks healthy and handsome.

Hollie went to be with her terminally ill mother, who eventually died. That sucks.

I didn't even recognize Jez.

This week was the first week that people started to look thinner to me.

I really didn't know what the other guy's rationale was for voting for Phil. I think Amy voted for Phil out of bitterness at Kim saying that Phil was valuable and she should just suck it up and go home. The other guy should've been like the other man on the team when it came down to the team's chances of winning being important and Phil being a strong performer. It sounds awful to say but I wonder if Amy batted her blue contact lenses at him and he melted like butter. Anyone with half a brain would know that if it is up to the other team then they were going to vote for the biggest threat.

Glad to see that Phil handled it with dignity and hope Amy and that other guy felt like sh*t afterwards. Phil did look very handsome and healthy and happy to boot!

I just need a quick update, please, please...

Which team won the weigh in? What was the "makeover" Jillian was supposed to have done?

If I remember correctly, one season had a tie and the winning team went in and chose someone other than the two tied contestants. So I guess they can choose whomever. Please, if I'm incorrect, let me know.

I didn't like Kim this week at all, but Jillian can do no wrong. Her telling Hollie about her mother almost broke me.

I'm not upset that Phil went. That's what happens when you let someone else decide. I understand why Kim was upset about a tie, but she did go a bit too far.

I know this took place a while ago, but my condolences go to Hollie and her family. I am in the middle of something myself and I can't even imagine what I would do in her position.

ETA - 24addict, the Blue team won the weigh in. They ended up breaking the tie on the Red team.

I admire the way Jill did it too. She was calm and strong, but not stiff or cold in how she did it. Her reaction later on at the weigh-in (at the news of the mom's death) made it clear she could have broken into tears in front of Hollie, but I think Jillian was wise enough to know that's not what Hollie needed to see.

I expect the show will have a lot more about this presuming Hollie actually comes back.

Ooooh, I don't like Amy, but Kim is a nasty, bitter bitch. "Vote Amy out, cuz I wanna win this year! It's all about meeee!"
She may as well have said it, because she sure as hell was thinking it.
I don't even want to spend time ranting about her, she's so pointless.

I'm so impressed with Kae. I think this is the first time in all four seasons that someone with the lowest amount/percentage of weight to lose is actually kicking ass and LEADING out of all of the other contestants. Bob is right, she is a machine--so dedicated and eager and taking control of her body, her life, and her health. I just love her, and every season we have to hear the other female contestants piss and moan about the show needing a female winner. It would be so fitting to have Kae smash through and become the first. She kicks ass.

Did I mention how much I love and admire her? And I totally sighed when Bob referred to her as "his girl". Awe. I'll be your girl too Bob.

Did I miss something here, or was that part of what got cut out when the show went from 90 minutes down to 60?

It was obvious that if the elimination went to a tie, the logical thing for the Blue team to do was to pick Phil.

Looking forward to seeing Kim's blow-up (or meltdown?) next week although I'm sure she will take it out on Amy even if it was Bryan's doing.

And yay, Kae. She rocks!! She's doing awesome and she seems like a nice enough person. I wonder if her military training helps her to stay so disciplined.

I was thinking she might be someone who just thrives with the kind of discipline and structure that both the military and this format impose on your life (not that I'm equating the two). While some contestants resist it or use it as a crutch (as in they let the trainer do the motivating and then do the minimum of what the trainer requires), she seems to use it as a springboard.

I was thinking that with military training, you also learn to listen and obey, so it might not be so foreign to her to do whatever Bob asks of her.

That . . . was the first hint I got that he was going home if the Red Team lost the weigh-in. I used to think loser edits didn't exist on this show, but occasionally, they do.

I guess I'll be Kim's sole defender and say she was right about Phil and Bryan being the ones carrying the team. Those two lose weight more easily than David and Amy. And I didn't mind what she did during the workout, either, because it's going to start getting more serious in the competition as more and more people are eliminated. Sure, she could deal with them a bit more gently, but I see no problem with her methods, on the whole.

And no, I don't think she was singling out Amy as the weakest link at all. Amy thought that on her own.

Sure she was right. But she was such a BITCH about it.

Besides, did the team really need to be told who was doing what? They can add and subtract every bit as well as blondie.

Kae ftw. Thumbs down to Dave and Kim and Brian

Kim sucks.



I totally agree. How is she still there and the big lovable teddy bear Phil is gone? I wanted to reach through the television and smack Brian when they finally showed his vote (that is, after the blurring out and dramatic pauses and long commercial break and repeat of the entire pre-vote speech post-commercial. Thankfully I record this show and watch it later with my finger placed firmly on the FF button.) As David put it, they're still on teams and need to do what will benefit them as a group right now.

Wow, what bullshit hype about the most. shocking. thing. EVER! by a trainer -I almost missed it when I blinked. Yawn. And I did totally miss the make-over, wtf?? I know I ffw'd through commercials, but that whole scene? When was it anyway?

All I know is I didn't even recognize Jez at the weigh in, I had to rewind back. He looks like a different person without his glasses and that stupid stagecoach-robbing bandana on. He looks almost crossed-eyed in glasses, so it was surprising to see how great he looked without them.

Bryan voted out Phil because he would have been axed by Phil/Cowboy at the next elimination. Survivor strategy still applies.

I wonder if the red team suspected that with the team being reduced to three players, it was likely that the teams would start being combined next week? Otherwise even considering Phil was just strange, he was their biggest chance of avoiding future eliminations, which is also a good form of strategy. Kim practically drawing a target on Amy was entirely uncalled for, though. Also, promising a great big tantrum if the team didn't comply with avoiding the tie is generally not a great way to persuade anyone of anything.

I wish they hadn't shown Hollie being informed about her mother's illness, although in all fairness, at least they did eliminate whatever was being said. Still, that poor woman, having to be told something like that with a cameraman trying to blend in with the scenery four feet away. I guess I should simply be forever grateful that Hollie was not on Kim's team, because hearing news like that would be devestating regardless of who delivered it, but it certainly wouldn't be helped if the person delivering it seemed so cold. It isn't even that I dislike Kim, although I don't like her particularly, she just seems ill suited to her job here. Maybe she's a great trainer for people trying to get in shape, but trying to lose a lot of weight? I'm not seeing it.

I don't know much about this show, but is Hollie contractually obligated to return? I hope not, if she returns, I hope it is her choice.

I would swear that in last week's gasp-filled promo that there were ambulances involved, people down, firetrucks, and helicopters circling the campus. But it turned out to be a big bunch of nothing.

The editing, in general, for this show is always so over-the-top. (And, as many have mentioned before, the back-tracking after a commercial is annoying.)

I know the previous episodes have runneth over with fluff, but this one seemed so chopped up. And, again, they spent about 50% of the episode with the weigh-in.

I like this show (for the most part), but I wish the editors would get their shit together.

I'm with you. Kim was being honest and sometimes the truth hurts {snip} As far as Kim swearing, cowboy told her to shut up (it still wasn't right to drop the F bomb though).


They can drop out anytime they want. I hope she doesn't drop out though....she did such a wonderful faceplant the other week....I couldn't stop laughing.

So, clearly the editting team hates Kim. And I do, too. Plus, the red team are morons.

I love Jillian. I wonder what Bob does to cross her next episode.

True. But since Amy's such a drama queen over everything, I support Kim being a bitch. At least in that situation.

Phil looked hot "now"! Go Phil!

She's worthless and conniving. I thought Phil had a chance when Unibrow from the blue team mentioned that they discussed their vote being based on the folks that had put the work in. All one had to do to see what kind of people Amy and Phil are is to watch the beach challenge. Amy carries it 20 feet, drops it, and puts her bitch face on. Phil carrries it until he doesn't need to carry it anymore. I'm betting the house that Amy's "after the ranch" video, (which I hope we see very soon), will be filled with excuses, and not much additional weight loss.

Phil is a freaking stud. The dude hauled ass on that beach challenge. He did a terrific job, as usual. Total competitor. Kim is absolutely right, Phil WAS the Red Team. Plus he's a strong, classy guy. And so of course, he's booted out. Figures, my favorites always go before my hates.

Speaking of...Amy is indeed a selfish, wussy cow. 23 lousy feet is all her wimp ass could carry that frame? Pathetic! She definitely did not deserve to win the Reward Challenge (By all rights, Kae should have taken her place -- as usual, she kicked ass.) Amy's whiny face needs to get off my TV screen.

And yes, Kim was not shown at her best this week (that would be last week, in a bikini, natch). She shouldn't have cursed at Dave (though he was being a whiny little bitch as well), and should have just kept her thoughts to herself prior to the elimination (though she was 100% right, of course).

All in all, I have to say that, other than Phil, the Red Team has just sucked this season. Just a weak, weak team. While he's definitely got the heart of a champion, Phil did not distinguish himself in picking his teammates. But he looked great in the after show shots. Bet he's going to stomp the runners-up come finale time.

True, but that's pretty typical. What I'm suprised about is that nobody has commented on Hollie during the challenge. I thought she was so awesome. It's hard because she went first, so she's not noticed as much, but didn't she go like 3 times as far as the other two during that round? As much as she has struggled with confidence and everything, I just thought she was awesome, and should have been congratulated for how great she did.

I think the red team would have voted Kim out if they could have. :)

Yep, that is how Nelson got voted out last season. The Pam/Kai/Heather all voted for Wylie. Wylie/Nelson/Ken all voted against Pam. Kai called them bastards. That was when my dislike for Kai turned to full blown hate. Anyhoo, the blue team came in and took out Nelson, shocking everybody.

I kind of agree with Bryan. With the number of people dwindling, Phil is more and more of a threat to him. Plus, if he did in fact base his decision on who between Phil and Amy could continue the weight loss at home, then Phil was the way to go. I can't fault Bryan for that.

I hope they post Jez's makeover online so we can see what got cut out of the show.

What do you think is the MOST. SHOCKING. WEIGH. IN. EVER. going to be about?

Well, Amy's not stupid. When Kim tells the team that they can't vote for Bryan or Phil because they are "carrying the team" and they can't vote for Dave because he's got immunity, isn't she telling them to vote for Amy? She did, indeed, throw Amy under the bus. I just wish B had listened to her.

I was sad to see Phil go, but Bryan knows how the game is played, and surely he knew that the teams would be combined in the next week or two. He knew that Phil would likely not be his teammate much longer, and that they'd either have new teams, or be on their own. He made the right call, from a game-playing point of view. But I sure wouldn't want to hang out with Amy any longer than necessary.

What a sad episode. Between the leukemia relapse and the videos with all of the kids. I never get that emotional during TV shows, but I almost lost it. Those kids were so cute!

I still have no clue who half of the contestants are. I think I mentally blocked out everyone from the Red Team.

It must be embarrasing for Kim to see the blue and black team completely outshine the red, while still having a sense of team loyalty and trainer admiration. I think Kim is crazy, and although it makes for good TV, I'd probably loathe being trained by her. In all honesty, the reward challenge probably made them hate the situation more. They went from seeing their kids on screen, blowing kisses and being adorable, and then had to head back into the gym to get yelled at since Kim's reputation was at stake. Sure, they probably have the motivation to get healthier for the kids, but I'm sure their first reaction would be to head out of that ranch and do it themselves back at home.

I'm normally not a Kim fan, but I really didn't have any trouble with her behavior last night. First of all, sometimes you do have to get in people's faces and push them. And sometimes you have to back off and let them regroup. But I don't think you can become entirely predictable in how you deal with your team. Then they know exactly when they need to go all out and exactly when they can slack. And settling into that pattern isn't a good way to lose weight. Sometimes you have to surprise them and slap them upside the head a bit. Phil is a strong individual; I think she knew he could handle it.

Also, she is 100% right about bitchface Amy. And Kim's obligation is to the team as a whole. Eliminating Amy gives the three other members of her team the best chance to stay and thus is the best for the group. If Amy doesn't like that, maybe she should try not being a whiny, lazy-ass beeyotch. The truth hurts.

Also, at this point in time, the contestants know the score. They know what it takes to lose the weight, and they know what it takes to avoid elimination should the voting come down to it. I think Kim should be able to dish out some truth, truths they should already know and be practicing, without them freaking out.

I wish that the blue team had decided to ax Bryan. That would have been sweet, sweet justice. I'm sure he was counting on the blue team taking out Phil under the guise of "biggest threat" and he played those odds. Too bad it didn't burn him.

But Phil has turned into quite the hottie. Go Phil!

Much like the contestants themselves, the show is vastly improved by shedding 1/3 of its total mass. (Oh, I'm going to hell for that one.) I still hate the editors, and it still feels like the show cuts to commercial every thirty seconds, but it moved more quickly and was much more entertaining tonight. There are still too many people, though. I get the feeling I would probably like Nicole if I ever saw more than 3 seconds of her, and between Phil and Bill and Ryan and Bryan, it's taken me until now to really get all the guys straight. (The only thing more annoying would have been if the twins had had matching names, like Brad and Chad...not that I'm pointing fingers at any other reality shows featuring twins...) Each week means one less person to keep track of! Yay!

Allison looked radiant at the beach challenge (seriously, I want that ruffly green blouse) and sort of awful most of the rest of the time. Is it in her contract that she has to wear clothes that are all the same color in each individual episode? The patterned top she wore at elimination looked like something my grandmother would have made for me when I was 10.

I was sad to see Phil go (he was my pick to go all the way!) but unsurprised that Red lost, because apart from Phil and B, they've all pretty well sucked from day one. (And it is debatable that Phil sucks too for having chosen these people, out of everybody possible, to be on his team.) He looks great, though, and I was already starting to think he was going to turn out hot by around week 3.

Most of the dudes who are left are uninspiring. I think this might be the year a woman wins it all. Kae, who's clearly about four feet all, is just too small to pull it out, ditto Julie, and Hollie and Amy seem to lack motivation, but Isabeau or Nicole could pull an upset, I think.

Kim was amazing last night. It's the first time I didn't feel meh about her.

If she'd singled out someone who was really trying or was a supportive team member I'd have disliked her behavior. But Amy is just frickin' awful, and I think Kim was right to try and use her influence to shed her.



Exactly. Amy freaked out only because she knew she deserved to be thrown under the bus. (Should I repeat that phrase 138 more times for the full Amy effect?)

Yeah, I could see Isabeau pulling an upset - isn't she the heaviest woman to ever be on the show? I agree with the others that indeed, you can now start to see the results of weight loss. Isabeau has a beautiful face and when she sheds more lbs., she'll be smokin'.

Loved how Jillian handled the Hollie's mom thing. I actually had tears in my eyes. For the first time, I really see a different side to Jillian.

Why are they mixing teams? To spur some of the slower losers onto more weight loss? I also think TPTB might be setting up a Kim versus Jillian thing -- wonder if trainers get eliminated? As the number of contestants go down, I can't think of why 3 trainers would be needed. As long as they leave my boyfriend Bob alone, I'm good with that. I feel sorry for those blue/black team members that end up with Kim.

Noooo, not Phil!! The one hottie on the show. *sigh*

Amy is the type of person that even if she gets down to her goal weight, she's going to regain it. I just don't see her as being successful for the long-term.

Well the red team members who voted for Phil may have been banking on the teams shuffling around but the fact remains that they are still the minority. Whichever players they mesh with will have the least loyalty to the red team members and would most likely vote them off first. Voting for Amy probably would have kept Bryan safer a bit longer (he wouldn't be the weakest link or the biggest threat). Now he's the biggest threat from the red team AND he's shown that he has no qualms about playing to win, making him a bigger target.

My first thought on seeing the host say, “Say goodbye to your old teams” was that the remaining Red Team members were going to be sent to either the Blue or Black team. Then I thought, “So Kim’s going to be eliminated for having the worst team? Awesome!”

Then I thought that maybe all the contestants were going to be reshuffled into 3 teams of 4 people each. But then you could still see a former Blue or Black Team member saying to Kim, “I’m going to stick with what (Jillian or Bob) taught me since their teams lost more weight.” So there’s still some potential for fun.



Didn’t Kim tell Phil that in terms of percentage of starting weight lost, he was in second place to Kae? That astonished me – that Kae was in first place. What a stealth loser she is! I never would have guessed. Good for her!


Finally, stupid Red Team for not having the guts to make the decision! I’m going to miss Phil.

I'm assuming a few people either lost nothing or gained a couple of pounds. It makes sense that they are going to plateau soon. But I hope I'm wrong - it must be terrible to see the scale go the wrong way if you've been working out 8 hours a day.

I will miss Phil. Loved that guy. A big, strong, sensitive guy with a great attitude. He seemed to be well-liked by everyone and always seemed to be the natural leader of the Red team.

I think Kim sucks at delivery, and she should not have sworn. The problem is really that she gets shrill. I am glad she didn't back down to Cowboy. He deserved it. He was attempting to completely ignore her advice in front of the entire team. And he was being very rude about it. If she had backed down they would've believed such an attitude was acceptable. Look at Jillian and Isabeau and the treadmill not so long ago. Jillian got in her face, big time, and Isabeau grew from that experience. Kim has the right idea, but her delivery just isn't quite right.

I personally think that Kim got a bum rap. Amy made it all personal and emotional. Kim didn't name names. She was complimenting the team members who go above and beyond, she was not slamming Amy. Amy sucks, it's a given. Kim was merely giving them strategy, did it screw over Amy in the process? Sure it did, but Amy has been half-assing it since the very beginning with Kim pushing her the entire way. Blah I can't stand Amy.

Sigh. Phil...

Oh and Kae absolutely rules.

What the preview showed was a starting weight of 355 and current weight of 377, but I think that has to be a screen grab from when the weight is flashing around before it settles on the actual weight. Probably someone gains a couple pounds. It does make me curious who started out at 355, though, because that's probably the person who gains.

Not that I trust these previews, especially after this week. I really did completely miss whatever was supposed to be so bad about what Kim did, and I don't even like her. But I would say last week's preview overstated it just a tad.

Poor Phil! I hate when my pick gets sent home, although I'm not at all convinced he could ever have the highest percentage of weight loss. He is just a big man. He doesn't have to be a big unhealthy man, and he seemed well on his way to an ideal weight for himself in the aftershots, but he's always going to be big. Just his physical destiny, just as Kae's physical destiny is pretty petite, I think. It's entirely possible she could go all the way given how sloooooowly most of the really big men's weight loss is going.

I can't stand Amy, but if David hadn't had immunity, I would have dumped him in no time flat. Still, I think Amy got a raw deal from Kim. Do the trainers usually participate in these discussions? I can't remember from last year. I see Kim's point, but it still seems pretty self-serving and I believe she's driven to, at the very least, show up Jillian. Also, there's something mean about her as opposed to just being the hardass coach. Her approach, her opinions, her delivery--there's a grating, unpleasant edge every time she tries to "get tough" with her team. No amount of bikini shots can make up for that kind of ugly. And I agree that if the teams are shuffled and Blue/Black team members end up with Kim, they should not follow her advice. Her team has had maybe one good week on the scale compared to the others? Not encouraging.

Jez must have been the makeover and, wow, did it work. Kinda wish we could have seen that. I didn't recognize him, either, but I kept thinking that without the weight, he could have a serious Vin Diesel thing going on. That guy is going to need some serious skin surgery if and when he gets down to ideal, poor fellow.

I think someone gains weight next week--it's bound to happen. And given the penchant for hyperbole in the previews, it's probably...ONE POUND. Horrors!

While some of what Kim was saying last night was correct, she really needs to build some people skills.
Frankly, if she had started dropping the f-bomb on me like that I would have reacted the same way David did and left.
Yes, 2.5 on a treadmill is really slow and he needed to be pushed. However, a trainer with any sense of what her client needs would have approached it in a different way. Kim turned into a cussing harpy and I doubt it was the first time either.
I think Amy is a whiny brat too, but I wonder if that could be turned around if she goes to another team next week.

Jez looked awesome. I barely recognized him. I bet he's going to be smoking hot come the finale.

Good to see Phil at home doing so well. Did they ever say how tall he is? Because even at 293 (some of the other contestants starting weight) he looked great.

Last night seemed too choppy. I suppose as people get eliminated the 1 hour won't have to cut so much footage out.

Agreed.

I think what chaps me about her - beyond the whininess and tendency to give up quickly, as demo'd during the carry-the-frame challenge - is that she really strikes me more than any of the other contestants as doing that whole martyring 'I'm a mother and I put myself last' thing that is pervasive in a certain part of our popular culture. I got that sense in the earlier interviews, and I really see her regaining as inevitable because she blames others for her issues and immaturities. I think she'll be overweight and a bitch forever. I could see her blaming her kids in a way that is obvious even to them that they are the reason that Mommy isn't tight in her bikini, however many years pass between her whining and their dates of birth.

Same here. It almost always happens to me every season of every reality show, and TBL is no different.


And Ryan in season two.

I haven't watched the ep yet, but wanted to give a big, fat KUDOS to Potes for the recap. I laughed my fat ass off!

Phil was pure class in talking about his elimination and it was a really nice contrast to Jerry's elimination a few weeks back. No talk of loyalty, or having put the team together, or even that Phil basically won challenges for the team. Instead he handled it with tremendous grace.

Isn't there a cash prize for whoever loses the biggest percentage of weight after being eliminated? Or are the home losers people not on the show? I've never watched TBL before, so I'm a little vague on what happens with the eliminated people, do they have incentive to keep losing at home?

If there is, I hope Phil takes the prize.

Neal, I am guessing.

It would have to be a HUGE gain or loss though, because of Isabeau's "how is that possible?"