I don't even care if any of this is scripted anymore. This is fuckin' good tv.

Is it completely loser-ish of me to audibly cheer when Brody admitted it was Speid? Or the yelp I let out when Spencer gave that smarmy smirk acknowledging he was behind the rumor? I need help.

Jen to Lauren: I don't want to get involved.

Ha

Is it just me or did Spencer look like he gained weight in this episode. Does he do anything all day?

Was that a glimmer of doubt from Heidi on Spencer's "innocence"?

And what the hell is Jen doing, try to smooth things over or stir up more shit? Gawd.

So what was that between Heidi and Spencer at the end? Was he actively not denying that he started the rumors? I liked how when he told Heidi that she can't depend on anyone else, he didn't add an "except for me," like most boyfriends would. Was that foreshadowing? I don't know! This show confuses the hell out of me!

ETA: I think Jen is a pawn of the producers.

I'm glad Lauren realizes she was being controlling, but I'm still not sure if that signals that she actually does understand that her friends are supporting characters on the show, not in life, or if she was just doing it because she imagined how mature she would look on camera.

Heidi is so deeply delusional. Her hostile reaction to Jenn's mere question was so telling.

Jenn is easily the person I like most on the show, which isn't saying a whole lot. I hope that she stays far away from Lauren and Heidi and anyone else that would treat her like a sidekick.

While I'm not sure that Brody was actively involved in the sex tape rumor, Lauren repeating "Brody is my friend" over and over again to convince herself that he's a blameless cutie patooty was almost as sad as Heidi's deluded state. Open your wrinkley, fifty-year-old eyes Lauren.

I am so completely over the sex tape rumor. Spencer started it and Heidi was complicit, either by standing idly by while he initiated and spread the rumor or by being such a complete moron that she didn't figure it out.

Next storyline please.

Hilarious!

Was telling LC what Heidi told her (Jen) about Brody the only point of that lunch? I thought she was going to try to get past their issues (which I forgot what they were). Apparently it was “good” though.

Are LC and Brody dating again (that is if they were dating before, I was never really clear on that)? Those two are just so ambiguous.

Every episode I watch I don’t think I could want to smack Spence in the face anymore. Then I watch another episode and surprise myself by wanting to smack him in the face even more. Weird!

As for the video issue, it seems to me that the only person who has a reason to have it in for LC would be Spencer. Brody doesn’t seem like the vindictive type (not to mention he is friends with, and possibly has feelings for, LC), Heidi also doesn’t seem vengeful on a whim (though obviously she didn‘t like Lauren butting into her love-life unwanted). Spencer, on the other hand, has made no secret about his hatred for Lauren.

Also, what Spencer has done to Heidi is disgusting. I used to find her quite likeable but…let’s put it this way: Heidi is Anakin, Spencer is Chancellor Palpatine. I think everyone knows where I’m going with this analogy.

Spencer's facial hair continues to amaze me with the way it throws off the continuity of this show continuously.

The irony of all this is that Judas, er, Jen Bunney, somehow comes off well in this episode.

And did anyone else notice a small little crack in the Speidi armor in the final scene? With Heidi almost pleading with Spencer to confirm or deny his involvement in the sex rumor tape, all she got was that smarmy little smile from Bad Facial Hair Boy. I'd like to beat the shit out of him just on GP.

And did anyone else think it was somewhat shitty of Audrina to go to JB (sidenote: can Maroon 5 REALLY not find a better stylist than that slackass tool? Really? Someone get me Adam Levine's number and I'll make some calls for him. Jesus) on their stupid pool playing date and completely misrepresent how the entire conversation with Lauren went? Mrs. TucsonMike and I watched the whole ep and I don't remember Audrina saying any of that shit.

Innocent Brody? Hmmmmmmm.........................gut feeling is he doesn't have it in him to be that shitty to her. But as a guy, he and Spencer SURE did seem to buy that whole "Bros before Hoes" bullshit mantra they had for a while there, so he comes off as more opportunistic than anything else.

The meta-ness of this show consumes me. Lauren openly mocking JBob on his oh-so-philosophical "truth and time tells all"....loved it, but it's like a game trying to connect the timeline/continuity dots.



I can't get believe that Heidi hasn't known about this from Day 1 or Week 1. That last scene reeked of a camera set-up. If not, why would she point fingers at Brody earlier on?

Why are all these lunch/dinner dates so awkward? What's with the lingering stares, pauses, and forced conversation?

Lauren's friendship bracelet thing was funny. I didn't know 21 year olds still do that.

Jen Bunney is completely useless.

Also, I did not like the lighting on Lauren when she was out to dinner with Brody. Her eye wrinkes were in full force.

I think Brody was at least partly behind it. His reaction was completely ungenuine. He didn't looked that pissed off when she said he was behind it, he looked like he was expecting that, and just thinking, "how do I field this?"

Eww. Spencer looked particular disgusting in this episode. I don't know how Hiedi can stand to touch that. And it wasn't just a *glimmer* of doubt behind Hiedi's eyes. I think she actively knew that Spencer was behind the rumors and consciously decided to deny it, because she couldn't bear creating a rift between her and Spencer. You could see her making that decision in her head, as the camera lingered on her.

I think that it was the duo of Spencer and Brody. I mean, apparently Hiedi works everyday, so that would leave A LOT of time for Spencer and his bud to spread the rumors. And that was at the time that Spencer was hanging out with Brody all the time.

The MTV video for this episode isn't working yet..... anyone able to make it work?

EDIT: Appears to be working now!!!!
2ND EDIT: Oh no, it was just the first part of the episode that worked... now I've been left hanging!!!

No, the after show isn't working either, MissPinkKate.

That whole last scene was kind of awesome. Heidi seemed to be finally putting shit together when Spencer gave her that "Who do you THINK started the rumor, you silly little girl."

I wonder if it was purely Spencer, and Heidi, being the dumbass that she is, truly believes that her boyfriend didn't do it. Or rather, blissfully lives in denial about it.

I have a hard time believing that Heidi would actively spread rumors like that. Spencer absolutely. Brody, why not? Heidi...not so sure.

I noticed that as well but fankwanked that the Jen/Heidi breakfast scene had alread aired by that point and knew fingers were alread flying in his direction. He probably was prepared. Guess none of these fools realized how fast MTV would be airing their dirty little secrets.

Ooh good episode! Heidi went down in flames at lunch with 'Buns'. Her face said it all IMO. The guilt was written all over her face. She can never convince me that she didn't know what Spencer was up to.

The Audrina/Justin-Bobby convo over pool puzzled me. When did Audrina say all that to Lauren? I would have liked to see that bit.

I actually don't think Lauren had to apologise to Audrina but it was very mature of her to do so, to sort of smooth things over. And seriously, Audrina will figure out on her own that JB is a loser.

Loved the look on Heidi's face when she was talking to Brent. She was looking to blame Elodie still and he wasn't having it. Loved the line " Elodie doesn't work here anymore and you do". Go Brent!

Blissfull idiocy. it's obvious she was coddled growing up and bailed out of everything. Mommy and Daddy apparently didn't have the action/consequence conversation with her when she was growing up in Fantasyland, Colorado.

She doesn't understand the first thing about accountability - it's always "I had NOTHING to do with it! Why is (insert name here) pissed at me?"

It's so completely nauseating to watch, especially as a parent of four. I get enough of that with my 14-year old son.

I'm really annoyed that there was no discussion between Audrina and J-Bob about his own rude behavior. Why hasn't he said "I'm sorry Audrina for being rude to your friends and I'll make a better effort to at least be civil to them?" Why hasn't Audrina held him accountable at all for his behavior? Why is Lauren apologizing for reacting to the shitty treatment Justin has doled out to both her and Audrina? So when Lauren backs off and Justin still treats Audrina like shit who will she blame then?.

Lauren's rationale is the same as mine about Brody. He's on good terms with Lauren and has no reason or history of vindictiveness against his exes or anyone else. Why would she believe he suddenly decided to change his M.O. and turn into a gossipy bitch?

And did Audrina's teeth grow an inch? Have they always been so extremely buck-like? Maybe that's just the consequence of her losing weight...

Because she has no backbone. She makes herself sound all tough in explaining to JustinBobby what she said to Lauren (stuff that never actually came out of her mouth), and she'll never mention anything to him about his bad behaviour. She forgives him at the drop of a hat. He doesn't even have to do anything, which is probably a big reason why he's with her.

I don't believe Brody had anything to do with the rumors. I think he knew all along Spencer was behind them, but I don't think he took any part in it. After Heidi's "maybe they're back in the movie-making action" comment, I could totally see her having at least a small part in it.

Btw, I loved Brent doling it out on Heidi. She had that confused expression on her face like she normally does, but it was awesome. Whether or not it was wrong of Elodie to say she'd do it after she knew she quit, Heidi is in charge. It's her job to know what's going on, and to report any shift changes with the higher-ups. Riding off what Lisa Love said, Heidi screwed up. It's her fault, and hopefully now she'll have to deal with some actual consequences. (But I suspect Brent will let it slide because of the free advertising.)

Re: the lovely LO!
Does anyone think she even does overprotective-to-the-point-of-telling-others-how-to-live-their-life better than Lauren? She rocks even when she is completely judgmental and unforgiving. Heart! Can't wait until the next ep when she goes all "you dont fool me with your 'just friends'" on Brody. That said, she has remained really silent on the whole sex tape rumor things. Why leave her vitriole on the cutting room floor? Deliver the JUDGEMENT! Atleast give us some slightly more tactful Whitney frustration?

Boo! on the Bunny inveigle through gossip and Double Boo! on the milquetoast sassiness of Audrina. They both suck.



word, reckless.
It is as though these girls were socialized by "Mean Girls."
A. Dont talk poo about your friends boyfriend.
B. Dont let Boyfriend talk poo about your friends.

WORD WORD WORD WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lo gives it like NO OTHER. (I heart this about her because my better half, Mrs. TucsonMike, is particularly adept at calling people on their bullshit, present company included) Not that her OC-ness makes her bullshit filter any more effective in L.A. County (I grew up in SoCal - I know what I am talking about) but she doesn't seemed easily swayed by anyone (other than Frankie jamming his tongue down her throat in Vegas - DAMN LO!)

While we would probably all like MORE LO, the producers won't go there. They need us to have more stupid storylines to complement the continuity/editing issues we have to put up with as it is.

Heidi was such a condescending bitch when she told Bunney, "I'm surprised you think that. You should know better." Whatever. She needs to work on her poker face. I loved when Brent reamed her out. Seriously, she works there, it's her job and her ass on the line, and the excuse that she had someone cover for her reeks of youth and unprofessionalism. And Spencer is upset at Brent for blaming Heidi and telling her to step it up?? I shouldn't be surprised considering it's coming from a guy who doesn't work and probably never has. And how many anniversaries are Speidi going to celebrate? Christ, every episode is another one.

I'm assuming what Audrina told JB happened in the same conversation when Lauren apologized and the editors cut it. The previews for this past episode had Audrina saying that sometimes by being too protective you push people away but it wasn't included. I don't think Audrina was making shit up.

I still love Lo saying JB was a loser. It wasn't a nice thing to say, but her candidness made me smile. As did the fact that she didn't know how to wear the scarf(?), since that would be something I'd do.

Yeah, but that doesn't follow tonight's storyline! I'll bet you five dollars the rest of the lunch is on the digital cutting room floor.

I loved that Heidi had the balls to say Jenn's a traitor for being nice to Lauren again when Heidi was the one who had her back over the last few months. FYI, Heidi, Jenn and Lauren have been friends since, what, kindergarten?

I sense some Lo/Audrina issues in the wake of Lo calling J-Bob a loser. Lo gets to say what Lauren probably wants to but can't because Lauren would be vilified.

LOL, color me surprised that Heidi didn't march into that apartment and declare that Jenn was no longer a bridesmaid!

I caught the look at the end too, but I can't figure out what it was. Was it mistrust, was it disbelief, what was it exactly.

Having been dressed down by a boss once before (when I was 17 and a waitress) I can attest that what Brent did was no where near as bad as Heidi and Spencer made it out to be. He basically said to keep him in the loop and to never let it happen again. Personally, I think she got off light.

I said this in his thread, but I actually didn't find JBob all that jerky tonight. I actually kind of..liked him. I know, I know, I'll go crawl back under the couch.

From the neck up I thought that today was the most beautiful I have ever seen Lo look, but good Lord, what the F was she wearing? She must have had her period, she never looks so sloppy when we see her, she is usually so neat and put together.

When Lauren said "Truth and time tells all" did anyone think that possibly she had seen that episode? I mean, how would she know he said that, I doubt he would say it to her and Audrina doesnt seem to have the short term memory skills to relay the phrase (as evident by her rehashing of the Lauren conversation to JBob at the pool hall).

Well because according to Audrina, his behavior is basically excusable. JB is only like that because he doesn't like to be around a whole lot of people. Which is exactly why he went to Vegas (a city with a lot of people) with a group of her friends when they went to meet up with another group of people.


After Jen kinda accused Spencer of starting the rumor, Heidi gave her the Spencer Stare- almost like she was trying to melt Jen's mind into submission. It's not quite perfected yet, but somebody's been practicing.

Also, why didnt anyone seem 100% believable in this episode? Brody took forever to "admit" that they did it, and Speidi has just been marked guilty since the very beginning. I understand Brody not wanting to be a snitch or whatever, but something about him seemed a little guilty. However, in the Vegas episode, he proved that he'd rather be peaceful to both sides (the Lo/JB incident), so I'm not too sure. Maybe he just wanted to stop the petty mess from spreading even more?

Oh, and why did Lauren keep saying stuff about "true friends"? Part of me felt a little embarassed for her because I still think Brody was involved somehow, but she was praising him for being a real friend. The same best buddy Brody who hooked up with Jen.

ETA:



Yeah, when Lauren said that Audrina said something along the lines of "He says that a lot" or something. And I thought "Duh! Lauren was being funny by quoting him!", but I didn't realize that JB never said it around Lauren. Interesting...

Lauren has aged, what, 5 years in the past 2-3 episodes? Girlfriend needs to lay off the clubbing and start slathering on the eye cream.

And I love that Jen Bunney's idea of staying out of it is getting right in the middle. I guess a girl has to get her screen time somehow!

Nice.

(If you close your eyes and try REEEEEALLLLY hard, you can almost picture the mental midget sitting in front of mirror trying to mimic it. "I think I can, I think I can......")

I'm waiting for LO to appear in the credits because she is the best thing about this show. Buns! Ha! I love how she will just call JB a loser at the drop of a hat. I do think that Lauren needed to deal with her issues with Audrina, but Audrina also needs to realize JB is a loser.

The only reason why I'm sort of doubting Brody had nothing to do with the sex tape rumor is that he was friends with both Spencer and Lauren when that came out so Spencer probably would have said something and he should have told Lauren. Also we haven't seen him deny it to anyone else just Lauren, after a long pause. Either he is being very diplomatic or he is hiding something.

I'm really surprised that Lo didn't bring up the role Buns played in 'breaking' them up for a year. Lauren has already mentioned Jenn's role in that twice last season, so it's not like it's a secret.

Heidi is new to the mix. I believe Lauren and Heidi met between S1 and S2 of Laguna Beach.

Brody seems phony to me. He's insufferably nice when he is with Lauren. I think he is probably always cloyingly nice to everyone when he's with them, but it's another story when they are not around (JB thing aside). He's just trying to be everyone's guy, but it doesn't mean anything to him. It took him two seconds to try to mack on Jen, when Lauren thought he was still courting her.

And there was that period when Brody and Lauren weren't talking. I think that Brody thought that Lauren was mad at him along with Spencer and Hiedi. So he would have been willing to go along with, if not spread, the sex-tape rumors, because he saw himself in that camp that was against Lauren.

But then when Lauren starting talking to him again, he thought to himself, "oh sh*t, she still likes me? I thought I was her enemy. Well, may as well put my moves on her again."

Did anyone notice, in the lunch scene between Jen and Heidi, that one minute Jen's milkshake was half empty, then it was full then it was empty again? Did she drink alot of milkshakes during their convo or was it a continuity error? And when did their food arrive? Maybe they didn't show the girls being served?

K, I DEFINITELY think Brody was involved in the rumors. He looked guilty to me. Ummm, Lauren, maybe the reason it took Brody so long to admit Spencer was behind the rumors is because he was involved too and didn't want to incriminate himself in the process? She seems really, extremely naive.

What was that moment between Heidi and Spencer at the end? She said " Spencer " and then the conversation appeared to end, with them giving each other " significant " looks, but I think the editors just cut her off in mid sentence. I wonder what she was saying.

It was a good episode overall. Can't stand JB and Audrina together, though.

Word. The Missus and I thought that also. The same thing happened with Jen's meeting with Lauren. Lauren shows up, awkward banter ensues, blah blah blah, server appears. When the eff did they order food?

Heidi and Spencer sooooo plan their storylines out in advance. There is NO way Heidi wasn't in on the rumors. Her reaction to Jen said it all. She knew and probably helped come up with it. But she and Spencer likely cooked up this plot ahead of time where it'll turn out to have been Spencer and poor, unsuspecting Heidi was totally unaware of it.

I've always believed Brody had something to do with it. Not even in a malicious way necessarily, but just in a locker room talk kind of way. He and Spencer were BFF and guys can be pigs when they get together. I'm sure there was shit talking and I wouldn't be surprised if "beef curtains" was brought up. But I actually thought he was quite sincere tonight. This is the first time I've thought maybe he didn't have anything to do with it. Guess I'm the only one. Heh.

I didn't really get that Brody was involved with the rumors. I took his guilty look to be because he was telling her, and he didn't want to be gossip-y or whatever, not because he had something to do with it. He just doesn't strike me as someone who would do that.

I think Heidi knows but she doesn't KNOW. I think, unlike Spencey, she has a conscience. She is a tragic character, having an inner conflict. Wanting to go along with Spencer vs. guilt for hurting someone she still cares for. The Hills is so deep, man.

Could anyone catch what "...for Dummies" book Spencer was reading?

Justin Bobby is so ridiculous. He speaks in meaningless platitudes. You could basically extract his phrases and place them anywhere in any conversation. Shutup, toolbox!

Has Heidi ever taken responsibility for anything? Ever?

She's a sucky person.

Smart Investing or something to that effect.

How did Jenn come between Lauren and Lo? And when?

There is no doubt in my mind that Spencer is behind the rumors. Heidi at best was ignorant, and at worse, was a willing participant in the sex tape scandal.

Jen Bunney: Gee...She is such a fake. She runs back and forth between Heidi and Lauren, pretending to be this neutral party. Lauren should not trust Jen one bit. If it will serve her well, Jen will screw Lauren over for Heidi.

As for Lauren, I honestly do not get why SHE is the one who has to apologize to Princess Audrina. Lo said it best "Justin is a loser." As someone on the Aftershow said "JB burped back to Lauren when she was trying to be nice."

Meanwhile does Spencer's beard grows back and forth depending on how much of a douche he is? At the start, Spencer was clean shaven, but at the end, his beard was back.

Brody: I might be a dumb idiot by being fooled by Brody's smile, but I do not think Brody is behind the sex tape rumors. He strikes me as too much of a surfer boy type to either have the smarts or the douchery to be involved in the scandal.

Lo: Oh Lo! Why can't the show toss Heidi to the curb and make Lo a main character.

Spread lies between the two of them while Lo was away at school, apparently. Like, 'She said this about you' kinda thing. And they sorted it out when they were finally able to met up. It's never been 100% confirmed, but that's what the rumor was originally, and Kathy Conrad said that the rumors about Jenn, Lo and Lauren were true. Plus Lauren said that Jenn was the reason her and Lo didn't talk for however long twice last season.

Good Lord, I thought the exact same thing about the meta. I didn't realize they were churning these things out so fast that we're already seeing them react to things we've seen aired earlier this season. It's so meta it's starting to hurt my brain.

I heart Mama Lo. "Justin's a loser, whatever." Bwahaha, she hates him so much she forgot to call him JustinBobby. And her hair looked cool in the shopping scene.

I really hope Heidi isn't going to try to play this off like she didn't know Spencer was behind the rumors. First off, she was WAY too defensive when Jenn Bunney asked her if it was Spencer. And second, I can still picture her snaky little face when she made the comment "Maybe they're getting back into the movie-making business." No way, no hell, does she not know that Spencer started it. Her "acting" is about as good as her "singing" skills.

That said, while I firmly believe Spencer started the rumors, I believe Brody has known about it since day one and didn't do anything to stop it which is why he now has to cover his ass around Lauren. He had too much non-reaction to Lauren's accusation at dinner for him to be completely innocent.

But I am looking forward to seeing Jealous!Brody on next week's episode.

It's hard to tell because his facial hair keeps changing mid-scene, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gained weight. All he does is sit on the couch working on his MySpace account and reading "MySpace for Dummies" all day.

I noticed it as well but I couldn't help but get the impression that whole scene seemed edited to the max.

I am guessing it's because they don't have a whole lot to say and of that, not much is interesting enough to keep.

I was rather disappointed that BB let Heidi get off so lightly after the fiasco with Elodie, but I guess if he fired her or demoted her on the spot he wouldn't get all the free MTV publicity and, well, that just won't do!

JB was less of a jerk this week, but I don't think highly of slobs who wear inside-out teeshirts and toques. I bet he has some hip tatoos and piercings too.

Heidi acts like she didn't know anything about the rumors, but wasn't she the one that insisted to Perez that there was one? And her man Spencer was willing to take a lie detector test to prove it? Heidi needs to stop acting all innocent.

The Jenn/Heidi scenes looked really awkward. It was kinda like neither of them wanted to be there. It was annoying how the editors kept cutting off people's convos. Jenn began saying something like "it wasn't just a small rumor about her kissing some other guy, it was something millions of people..."

I adore Lo. She became all protective of Lauren and it was really sweet. She seems like her one friend that totally has her back.
I actually think Lauren and Audrina's friendship is more genuine than her and Heidi's ever was.

So in this episode not only did Lauren quote JustinBobby with "truth and time tells all", but Spencer got back at Brody and called him a "little bitch" too. Only when Brody said it, it was funnier.

Totally. I also noticed that when Heidi came home and told Spencer that she had lunch with Jen, he was all eye-rolling, "THAT'S always fun." I got the sense that they're not friends at all, but that MTV pushes them into hanging out so that they have footage of Heidi with a sounding board.