Barnes says: I wonder if she was the recapper.

Okay--WTF was that??? "We. Want. To. Know. Who. You. First. Kissed." WTF, WTF, WTF? That little performance made me HATE all the "women"...I think I would find it repellent even if they were actually twelve-year-olds, but it was so revolting and off-putting and it made me feel like they all need intensive psychiatric help. Really awful. A new low, for The Bachelor, and that's saying something.

The editors did a good job of making Deanna seem unlikeable this ep, and making Jade seem a little more sympathetic than before.

I used to like Bettina, but calling a fellow Bachelor contestant a "slut" for kissing "The Bachelor"? Shabby, pathetic and dimwitted. I was so into her, but now I guess I'm rooting for Christy.

Stephy's exit interview, where she turned her back to the camera and said, "Now, that's going to make me cry," makes me wonder what TPTB do to the women to make them seem batshit crazy as they "go home brokenhearted." I mean, other than starve them, forbid them to contact family or friends, dehydrate them and ply them with a mixture of Firestone wine and fruit-flavored vodka . I bet, if the woman is underwhelmed by The Bachelor and the idea of losing him doesn't make her cry, there's a guy back there saying, "Now you'll never find love, will you? You're worthless, aren't you? He rejected you because you're old and not pretty and your eggs are rotting and no one has ever ever loved or wanted you, especially not your daddy." Anyway, Stephy's exit was classy-ish.

I can't believe he kept waterworks Hilary on to cry another day.

I actually don't think Jenni's face is very attractive...but I thought she handled herself pretty well in the face of all the B'ette psychosis.

Just. Wow. I hate all these bitches.

This is the first season ever where there's not a single "lady" I can even slightly root for.

I really hope he picks no one.

I'm just glad this episode got rid of the house's nastiest bitches, Jade and McMoron. Both left in beautifully embarrassing fashions, although I'd personally rather have seen that nasty twat McCrappin leave in the manner Jade was -- that is, suddenly booted after a competitive date and not even allowed to say goodbye to the other gals.

I especially hated the way McCrappin kept going on and on about how she'd had her heart broken, therefore that's why she was unable to truly let down her guard with Brad, blah,blah,blah, bullshitcakes. Honey, we've all had our hearts broken, so get over that tired story already.

People who claim they've been "hurt" and that's why they can't open up in love are just looking for conveniant excuses to remain emotionally distant --get over it already or just get out of the game. "Heartbroken" or not, bitchy cold McCrappin expressed all the warmth of a wet dishcloth around Brad. I knew she was toast the moment she broke out into tears with Brad and he didn't even bother to comfort her or wipe away her tears the way he had with other weepy gals on the show.

Speaking of weepy, Hillary is the biggest moron to have moroned on this show in a long time. So any divorced woman is officially "damaged goods" to her? Well then, she should try convincing herself of this when she's a 50-something crazy old maid weeping about the cobwebs forming around her rotting cooter because no sane man would dare marry her if his life depended on it. Bitch be crazy! And judging by her freak-out next week, she has even more crazy to unleash upon poor Brad.

So Bettina is another one gradually unleashing the crazy, and she's a stealth bitch at that.

Personally, I don't care if Jenni is seen as treating this thing like a cheerleading competition. She's obviously as smitten with Brad as he is with her, and YES, this is a competition at the end of the day, ladies. Those two have just got that certain chemistry together, and the other gals are insanely jealous of it.

And the whole issue with the first kiss thing? Who gives a shit who got the first kiss? Does it really matter in the end? And why should Jenni have to cop to getting kissed first when she obviously wanted to save that info for herself? Would they rather she'd have gone around the house bragging about it? Christ on a cracker, these ladies act like a bunch of junior high girls around that poor man. And that's not even counting their endless screeching and crying around him.

As for Sheena, I'm liking her more than ever! Seems very sweet and sincere, indeed. She and Brad do look cute and have some very tender little moments together.

Hillary is my least favorite of the remaining bachelorettes, but I have to say that she rocked the improv night. That bit in the cheering costume where she says, "you're so hot, you make my pom poms sweat" was cute.

In my opinion, Brad seems most attracted to Jenni, Bettina and DeAnna, but none of these seeming front-runners got a particularly good edit tonight. Lots of cattiness. The producers must be grinning like Cheshire cats.

Hillary's impending exit looks overly dramatic and voluntary (?). Did she get bad news, you think, about her family or something? It reminded me of that cringe-worthy scene a few Bachelors ago (Blob, maybe) when the bachelorette took him to the grave of her grandmother while on her hometown date?! But then, the whole Blob season was cringe-worthy.

"It's hard for me to let my guard down" is the new "I can see you're just not digging me, okay?"

Ha! Jade knew she was toast. She had the Dead Bitch Walking look through the whole date.

Which one said after being rejected that she hopes someone will come along to "chip at her wall"? Ewww!

That improv scene was seriously cringe-inducing. I literally ran out of the room when the girls were all dressed in slutty Halloween costumes, especially Kristy in the cowgirl outfit. Awkwaaaaaaaaard.......
And the "act like a dog who is asking for a rose" thing was so humiliating. Who are these people?

I so would have been toast on the improv date! That was horrifying.

Watching Blob slobber over every woman makes me appreciate the slight kisses and vague romance that Brad brings. That or he is just avoiding a restraining order from the scary bunch he is "dating." And speaking of... our TWoPers certainly called the crazy on Hillary following that wierd one on one date. Psycho-stalker in the making. (But not as fun as Stalker Trish.) Forget the promos, what about the sobbing while Jenni was on her date.

Brad is smarter than I realized. Way to get out of the web of McMoron by claiming she was too sophisticated for him. And speaking of sophisticated, fun to watch DeDe and Jade trying to top each other in such a lame fashion. I worked when I was 16 - no 13!

Seriously. I don't get it. How are we supposed to get invested if they're all crazy? Why are they showing the ones who had previously been portrayed so positively as raging, jealous psychos. And why does everyone think that being divorced or - gasp - kissing on the first date makes you the whore of Babylon. Where did they find these people?

I guess Jenni isn't that bad (I don't really think she sees it as any more of a game than anyone else, and, seriously, they should just let Brad pick her now. The rest of this is clearly a waste of time), but she just irritates me personally.

I have to say, if some guy took me to the circus, and the made me do improve dressed up in some ridiculous, slutty costume, we'd be done. What the hell kinds of dates are these.



I think that was Stefi. It was no "special parts" speech, but it was close. But that turning away from the camera thing so it couldn't film her cry was kind of endearing to me.

I think Deanna is just stunningly beautiful. I call her as the Final Rose, to be followed by the inevitable breakup. Jenni is getting the Bevin edit. Love vs. Sex: Death Match. Heh. (I do think Stephy was really really pretty too, but I could see that boot coming from a mile off.)

When Bettina said about her divorce that "such a big decision can't be made in a short time," I was like, DUH. You're now expecting to get engaged in six weeks! What a ding dong.

ETA: Am the only one who feels like Jenni and Brad were kind of awkward kissing on the roof? Yes? Okay. *slinks away*

(Why, why, why, why when a woman is sobbing hysterically do men choose that moment to ask - are you okay? The hell? Of course I'm not okay, I'm sobbing. Hysterically. Sheesh.)

I don't know. I've decided not to care about the 'cattiness' because whenever they show them just sitting around before the 'real' conversations start everything seems mellow and sane. People who aren't supposed to like each other according to the edit are standing near each other and seem to be interacting like there is no tension. Doesn't match with the so -called story. I don't doubt there were personality clashes but I bet they dialed down about 60 notches once the producers stopped directing the conversations. Everyone has their catty and bitchy moments and you'd think women who go on this show would know by now that any they have in the house will likely end up on the show, even the F1's bad moments. Unfortunately I think everyone underestimates what the producers are going to do to them and end up not handling it as well as they think they will.

When I watch this show I try to think of the women neither as perfect nor as nasty as they are shown to be. I can eyeroll my way through most of the drama that way since I imagine most of these women only act this way under extreme stress. This is the kind of situation that needs someone to jump in and diffuse it because the women probably have no idea how bad it got until they watch themselves and we all know damn well Fleiss would rather ramp it up than tone it down!

Like that group question. From what I read about producer manipulation I wouldn't be surprised if they were encouraged via threat to ask it. Nobody wanted to take the bait so they decided to group ask. That is the only reason for doing that that is only partially ridiculous instead of completely ridiculous.

I still like DeAnna. The woman has had to be a fighter from a young age and I don't think she has figured out sometimes that is more of a flaw than an asset. She truly wasn't bothered by Jenni saying she wanted Jade to come back and not her because she had a similar feeling about Hilary's date. I honestly think she doesn't understand why people can't just shrug it off like she and Jenni did and why she has to be more careful with people's feelings even if it feels fake to her. People, and women in particular, often say they want people to be more honest with how they feel and think because they don't like the meaningless nicey-nice comments but when they get what they want they don't want to hear it.

I sure would like to know why Fleiss and co are doing such a slash job on all of the women this year. Weepie or catty or both. I doubt any of these women are as bad as we are seeing. Maybe this particular group of women were harder to control then other groups so he is taking it out on them now? Maybe people thought last season was too nice?

Brad did say he was worried that Kristy might be too refined for him. The guy did spend 10 years on oil rigs I think so I doubt he's going to need the smelling salts if women have conversations with each other that aren't 'ladylike'. It's the talking behind people's backs that he doesn't like.

Did Jenni not have enough time to get ready for the 1on1 date? It looked like she still had the towel wrapped around her from after her shower.

This cracks me up because I so agree with that. I hate when someone asks if you are okay when you are obviously not okay.

Wow, I felt like tonight's show was not showing anyone in a great light. Jenni actually seems to be one that is not being shown talking about others, just being talked about all of the time. Kristi also seems nice and normal (I also would have hated that date....actually I never would have done the whole begging as a dog thing...there are not enough roses in this world).

My theory on what happens on most of these seasons is that the Bachelor has immediate chemistry with one person, decides he's going to pick her, and then doles out the other roses based on either a) who's going to cause the most drama or b) who's not going to be more seriously psychologically damaged the longer he prolongs the rejection...depending on how much of a nice guy he is. (And of course in both cases there's always c) who's being shoved down his throat by the producers and d) who's going to let him get to second base in the hot tub before he has to swear off being a man-skank until his ironclad contract says he can fool around again.) Brad, for all of the sleaze that is this show, seems to be a nice guy at the core, which is probably why Jade got sent home rather than DeAnna. She was a nice girl who was maybe a little too fragile for the experience, and it probably did her a lot of good to get out early and get back into the real world. The true crazy you keep, obviously, but the nice girls who might really get hurt should get cut as early as possible.

DeAnna, on the other hand, seems like she's probably there for reasons other than "fall in love and get married to a dude I didn't meet until TV forced us into close proximity". (I'm not saying what are right reasons and wrong reasons here.) So she's not going to have her heart crushed when Brad tells her she's not The One. I think Crazy Trish from whatever season that was (you know, the one where she CAME BACK to the show after she failed to receive a rose?) was also in that boat - she wasn't really in it for love, so she decided to be entertaining.

One thing I really like about Brad is the fact that he realizes on some level how totally weird this situation is. You can hear him sort of musing observantly about it from time to time. There's something a little endearing about that. (Perhaps I'm explaining it badly. I can't think of a really great example off the top of my head, so bear with me until he does it again next week.)

I call total shenanigans on anybody who proclaims "I have trouble letting my guard down". Yeah, that's why you decided to go on a dating show where your entire psyche would be laid bare for Mike Fleiss and his minions and you'd be force-fed the notion that you're worthless if this random dude doesn't look upon you with favor while they employ well-known brainwashing tactics (isolation, starvation, close quarters) to make you truly believe it. I really hope I'm reading Brad correctly and he's mostly keeping the girls who don't seem to have drunk the kool-aid.

I thought that was Weird...I mean, Kristy is the one who asked to see his tongue upon first meeting him (granted, she is an acupuncturist, but she knows that most people know nothing about acupuncture), and in the outtakes at the end of this episode, she was joking about going to the toilet. I mean, she's not Solisa...but where does he get the whole "ladylike" thing?

Is no one else as revolted and disturbed as I am by the junior high cheerleader wannabe "We. Want. To. Know. Who. You. Kissed" thing? I found it way, way more gross than wanting to know who got the first kiss...or, in fact, in a certain way, I thought it was the ickiest thing I've ever seen on The Bachelor. Like, these grown women sat and planned to each say a word of that sentence. That seems like a colossal turn-off to me.

Yeesh--forget the improv scene, that whole EPISODE was cringe inducing! Catty bitches indeed. I hoped the "dramatic" part would be that Brad sent Didi and Jaid both packing. So much word to this. I thought it was interesting how she phrased it to the other catty bitches when she spilled the beans about her prior marriage: "well, remember that last relationship I was in, that I told you about, well, I was actually married to the guy." WTF? It cracked me up how everyone's facial expressions screamed "oooooh, wait til Brad finds out.....maybe accidentally by me!!" Also, were my ears deceiving me, or when she admitted this, wasn't someone's response "you mean the one you were in for 5 years?" I thought she told Brad she was only briefly married? (on second thought, why do I even care?)

While I'm no big fan of Jenni, Bettina was also laying it on REAL thick with the whole "I'm sooooooooooo concerned that Jenni is treating this like a game" thing--come on! At least be like the girls that had the guts to admit jealousy!

"Pretend you're a dog begging for this rose?"

That's it. I woulda just peed on his leg and prayed for a ride to the pound.

I am totally loving Sheena!! Unfortunate for her, there is zero chemistry between her and Brad. I think he likes her, thinks she's sweet and fun, but that "grrrr" moment? Hasn't happened and I don't think it will. She's very pretty but is in desperate need of a hair style. She will probably make it to the final three because she is the last person Brad will want to hurt...until the last moment, of course.

Jenni (and her horse teeth) has this in the bag and all the other girls know it.

First of all DeeDee, I didn't even know you were a bitch. What the hell kind of competitive dinner conversation did she think they should be having? Everytime Jade said something Deanna would bust in with a "me too but more" comment.

That was Meredith's nana that saved her from the Blob. Personally I think Hilary unleashes the bunny-boiling crazy when Brad gives her the boot next week.

Surely Jenni's got this thing in the bag. Everyone else ( with the exception of Sheena & Kristy) are either pyscho or uberbitches. And I don't see ANY chemistry between Brad & Sheena OR Christy.

Bettina disappoints me, because up to this point I thought she was pretty & sweet & shy. Jenni's a "slut & a liar" because she kissed the dude & then didn't go around bragging about it to everyone? SOOO junior high.

I used to like DeDe, but tonight she was such a bitch I actually felt a little sorry for Jade. WTF?!

Hilary can't get off my TV soon enough. Well, as soon as she has her meltdown that is. *g*

Aha! I FINALLY figured out who Jenni reminds me of! She looks just like Christina from Laguna Beach (the minister's daughter). They talk and look exactly alike.

Wordy, mcword. Isn't this the edit that Tessa from the Andy season got? She got the first one on one date (did she get the first impression rose too?) and Andy was quite smitten with Tessa the same way Brad seems smitten with Jenni. On the rooftop, he said he couldn't wait to see her and he mentioned the first kiss they had.

On another note, I thought Brad's kissing looked pretty hot to me. The boy looked like he knew what he was doing. As one poster mentioned earlier, it was a bit awkward, but I give them a break as there are probably 20 people standing around watching them with cameras, lighting and stuff. But when he got down to business? Damn...

And girls? He says he likes women who like to have fun. So STOP crying.

I'm with you on that. It felt very soapy to me... eefcake guy, silly girl, cheesy music and zilch chemistry.

Until this week, Bettina reminded me of Heather Locklear. Now she's starting to act like Heather Locklear (on Melrose, that is).

Hilary: Really early lesson in life... don't brag about how hot/funny/popular you are. Especially in front of the cameras on a reality show.

Yes, Jenni will win. She's got that Estella vibe. It won't last though, once Brad sees the show. And thank heavens for that. Normally I hate the bachelors, but in this case he deserves so much better.

SassyFrass, THANK YOU. I thought I was going crazy. (It's still possible, but...) I was thinking, "Didn't she say she had been married for a year? Now she's saying she was young and rushed into it? Which is it, 1 or 5? HUH? Is this the same relationship?"


I loved McRachelDratt face leaving, sniffling, "I thought he could be the father of my children...OR my husband." Not both? Dumbass.

And Bettina, you catty thing, STFU about sluts and liars and people just playing the game. When you said on camera you didn't come here to fall in love, you were either lying or playing the game. Make up your mind, Sybil.

And pretend to be a dog and beg for a rose. For God's sake! I don't think I've ever been shocked by anything I've seen on this show before the way I was shocked by that. And they did it! As if they were on VH1 or something. Or on Blob's season.

I am not understanding the editing this season at all, either. They've only shown one girl as even a possibility, and that's Jenni, but they usually don't edit the winner so heavy handidly. (SBgirl - Tessa did not get the first impression rose from Andy; Stephanie, the skinny girl with moles and huge fake boobs, got the first impression rose from Andy.) And Tessa had serious doubts, and was telling Andy she might leave, so they had a plausible conflict to throw us off. Jenni is being edited as the only one Brad is really attracted to at this point. I can't remember a season where that was the case before. The first impression person usually implodes by now, so this season is unusual in that respect also.

Jenni hasn't been shown to say or do anything mean. The only thing she did tonight was defend herself a bit when the other women were inappropriately attacking her for not telling them she and Brad kissed (WTF? How is that slutty exactly?), and then she got up and left the room before she got more upset. Looked like she handled herself well under the circumstances. I had originally called DeAnna as the winner, but wow are they showing her to be competitive, and immature. And tonight she said the one thing that guarantees she will lose. The ever stupid, "I didn't come here to make friends" spiel. Doesn't everyone know by now that if you want to win, that's the last thing you should say....or do? Why not come there to make friends, AND meet the guy? Duh.

And as much as I am relishing seeing Hillary the Heinous breakdown on camera after being given the boot, I kinda wish they hadn't spoiled it for us. Oh well, karma's a bitch, Hill!

You took the words right out of my mouth. I'd been rooting for her since she seemed classy and as far as I could tell sincere about Brad, but no one edited "a slut and a liar" onto her lips. OTOH, on this show, moronic out-of-context edits are the norm, and IIRC her sentence had no names or pronouns attached. So I'm not going to throw down judgement just yet.



Huh. I assumed she'd been dating the guy four years, then married him in the fifth.

I thought Jenni's request last episode that they do the whole long-distance thing would put Brad off, but it apparently hasn't. (I'm not saying it should have, just that some people find long-distance relationships very difficult.) I thought it very telling that he made it a point to get "alone" time with her pre-ceremony even though she already had a rose. I'm still liking her, and the chemistry between her and Brad appears completely natural, even if she could've been a little more circumspect in answering the question about who she wanted to see come home from the 2-on-1 date.


Brad continues to impress. He's come off as genuinely nice so far. Lord knows what he's thinking as woman after woman bursts into tears in front of him. (Have we ever had this much weeping on The Bach? Not counting post-boot tears, who didn't sob at him tonight? If I were him I'd be totally worn out soothing crying women by the end of the day.)

I see the opposite flybye. To me, Jenni's getting the Tessa edit and DeAnna the Bevin edit with all the bitchiness to the other girls but then she's a totally different person with Brad. They glommed onto each other in the hot tub but that was Bevin-like lust, not sweet hand on the face kissing like Brad and Jenni.

Jenni reminds me of Katie Couric with that big gummy smile and perky cutesiness.

Hi all, haven't posted in the Bachelor forum yet but have been lurking for awhile and enjoy reading you all's comments and observations.

I'm not good at the sleuthing or the figuring out what the editing means, I just enjoy watching the girls have producer induced meltdowns and just laugh at the cheesiness of the whole thing. Do I have personal favorites? You betcha! Do I root for them? Naw since I know the odds are against them making it past the end of their "keep quiet till the show is done airing" contracts.

All that being said.. Bettina is beautiful but I get a phony and somewhat desperate vibe off her. DeAnna has always struck me as a class A b**ch and that was from the moment she corrected Brad on how to pronounce her name (and the just ate a lemon look that seems to be on her face 75% of the time). There is something about Sheena that I really like but she also comes off as a bit desperate. Jennie has been my favorite since she first came on and showed her silly giggle. Of course I think she's on the show for all the wrong reasons but I do think that she and Brad really like each other. Not sure he will choose her in the end because I also think he is BSing us with his real reasons for being on the show. My reason for thinking that? The sheer number of girls he has kissed. To me if somebody is sincere about finding his wife and the love of his life he would be a bit more discerning when it comes to kissing and rubbing all over the women. But that's just me.

Overall this season is highly entertaining and I love all the dramatics. Can't imagine how horribly boring this show would be without the cattiness and the crying.

Oh, I hope so! She's shown several peek at the Crazy inside her. I hope she lets it all hang out.

And I hope it's something like "Brad doesn't give her a rose, so she goes batshit crazy" or "Hilary's afraid she won't get a rose, so she goes nuts" rather than a family emergency or something.

I don't recall them ever telling us a week ahead of time that a specific person was leaving. I must be a drama-filled situation if they are willing to give that much away ahead of time.

Wow, DeDe's definitely getting the biyatch edit, isn't she? I can't believe she said to McCarten, "Who do you think is going home?" and then she waved the rose in McCarten's face and said, "Not me!" While I don't really like McCarten, that really wasn't nice of DeDe to do! I'm not even going to discuss her behavior on that date with Jade, which was also cringe-worthy. Granted, I really didn't like Jade that much either, but DeDe could have toned it down.


Bettina: get a grip on yourself, lady! I used to like her a lot, but she's giving such righteous possessive stalker vibes, it's not even funny. "I love you"? Hah, Brad didn't mention that at all, did he? And her righteous tone when she said she'd been married before and knows how hard marriage is...gosh, I dislike her more and more.


I cannot WAIT to see Hillary's breakdown next week. The woman is all kinds of crazy. To be fair, she did come off slightly better this week from her improv success -- who knew she'd make a funny cheerleader? -- but she had to bring herself down with that lame "damaged goods" comment.


I am totally rooting for Team Jenni all the way. I also agree that she looks liks Christina from LB!

The worst part was the last girl, who didn't say anything and just snapped her head around to give him that psycho look as the question mark.

Last week I felt like a lot of the ladies (tm Brad) were getting a fairly good edit. I even kind of liked several of them. But I see now that I was being set up for the bitch edit this week. Damn you and your evil schemes, Fleiss!

Jenni and Sheena are the only two girls who seem to be above the catty stuff. Yes, Jenni has dished out a few bitchy remarks, but I can't remember ever seeing her deliberately seek out opportunity to be a bitch. It's always the other women going to confront her over some non-existent transgression and if she gets a little snippy in response, I can't say I blame her. I for one would have to work very hard not to choke a bitch.

As far as begging for a rose like a dog goes, I would make like I was about to get down on all fours, then stand up and say, "Actually, you know what I'd like even better than a rose? My dignity." and then go sit back down. See how Brad takes that!

Oh, and the incessant moralizing over who's here for the all-important yet perpetually ill-defined "right reasons" never fails to grate.

The only thing worse is when they piously tell him they aren't used to having to compete with other women for a man and don't like it. Hello, have you seen this show?

Count me in with everyone who's confused that all the women are so unlikeable. Besides Jenni (who I think is getting a cute edit) the only women left who don't make me think Brad should run screaming from the room are Kristy and Sheena, and neither of them seems to have any romantic chemistry with him at all.

My vote goes to any girl who can carry on a conversation without breaking down in tears. I cannot believe how over-emotional they are all the time, about the tiniest things.

Not a big fan of Bettina, who I think was a whole big contradiction last night, but thought Hillary was way out of line with her comment about Bettina being a used car. I didn't really like Hillary before but this narrow stance about people is ridiculous. It took me a long time to find the man right for me and he was divorced. He is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I'm not going to hold an insane ex-wife against him.

I didn't really like Jenni during the first episode but I do think she is growing on me. DeAnna is still my favorite. I kind of like her no-nonsense attitude. I actually felt he had more heat kissing DeAnna, but maybe that was the hot tub steam.

I am actually leaning toward Bettina as the psycho-stalker. Her comments about loving him...I said that in the improv because, I do love him (totally straight face). Crazy alert, crazy alert! And then:

Exactly! Not only that but she loves him after only, what? five, ten days? She's the nuts one IMO. Well, okay, trying to pick out the crazy one in this bunch is like trying to find a grain of rice in a snowstorm. Er...wait...I think I have that wrong. Trying to find the crazy one would be easy, not hard. Nevermind...me sleepy.


I feel like it's an inevitability but the thing that bugs me about Jenni is I feel like she is so fake. Or rather, I feel like it would be extremely easy for someone in her profession to be fake in this situation, so I don't know if she is genuine or not. She gets paid to be: happy, perma-smiling, perky, outgoing, "fun," able to read a crowd, etc. etc. So, I dunno, I just get a kind of a phony, or hard-to-find-the-real-person vibe from her.

I had thought that it would be Jenni and Hillary (based on her manicure and the hands in the final rose ceremony preview from the first epi) as the final two, but now I have no idea.

I agree with so many other posters that I just don't care for ANY of the women. Ugh. How can this be the best of however many thousands applied?! Weird.

The other thing that is so weird to me is that so many of them said they felt like their boyfriend is going off on a date with someone else. First? Have you ever watched this show before? And, second? You've only known him for one week, you freak! And, out of those 5-7-10 days, you've probably only spent a total of of 1-2 hours with him in one-on-one time. All of the rest of the time you were in a big group, or just hanging out with the other women as he had one-on-one time WITH SOMEONE ELSE. Damn people...oh, excuse me, damn ladies, get a grip on reality!

"Most. Boring. Bachelor. Ever!" More boring than Blob, P-Lo, and Jesse combined. At least on Jesse, Blob's, and P-Lo's seasons, there were some interesting women to root for (or to hope would get dumped early so as not to be stuck with TB).

This season, the women are catty and/or boring. Also?

I know this always happens, but I never get it. When the "ladies" start babbling about being "in love" and ready to marry him--and seeing others date "my boyfriend"--and having a meltdown because he kissed someone else first--really, have they seen the show? Season after season it doesn't seem like this is just acting.

And how did I miss that dull-as-dishwater Brad is a millionaire? I must have dozed through the hows and whys of that.

During the dog skit, I'm surprised that one of those crazy beyotches didn't hump his leg.

Whenever the voice-overs wondered "which of these women will have their dreams of marrying a Texas millionaire crushed?", I yelled back at the TV "oh come on, ladies, don't give up so soon! Texas has lots of millionaires!" I'm sure some of them could find their very own J. Howard Marshall if they looked around enough.

Maybe the reason that she is in that profession is because she is just a perky, outgoing, fun person. And, if so, (if I were a dude) that would be exactly the kind of girl that I would be attracted to. Conversely, I would be completely turned off by anyone who cried or stank of desperation on one of our first dates.

We don't see much of the interaction between the 'ettes and Brad while on their dates (as evidenced by the outtakes from the year of Andy - he was much less stiff and rehearsed in the unedited film). Perhaps Brad is much more charming (he seems, at least, likeable in the edited portion of the show), and perhaps Jenni is much more down to earth and real.

I also don't see him being overly gross in terms of physical contact as some of the earlier bachelors. What contact he has had has seemed in context with the date and not gratuitous.

As to Deanna, I CANNOT STAND people who do what she did at dinner - Jade - I had it hard, I had to go to work at 16, Deanna - Oh mine was much worse, I had to work at 14. One-upmanship is disgusting. Show some class!

<small voice> I enjoyed the episode. I like the chemistry between Jenni and Brad. He looks at her like she is a bowl of Butter Pecan ice cream and he is the spoon. Sluuuuuurp!

During their make-out date, Jenni placed the rose perfectly to obscure the clashing of teeth. I don't believe that was intentional, but it was appreciated. I hate-hate-hate to watch the exchange of slobber. Which season showed an especially slobbery bachelor contestant? Trista maybe??

Bettina is a Shady Lady. She acted so demure and then bam! She was flinging around all kinds of stank face. Plus + she always looks soooo washed out. Not a good look paired with the desperationn she was sporting last night! Girl needs to get a hot oil treatment stat too.

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When the girls did their stupid "we-want-to-know-who-you-kissed-first" did anyone else think that maybe they were mocking an exercise from their improv class? I don't remember if it was even the same girls that went on that date, but their line was so dumb that the only possible explanation I could come up with (other than them just being that dumb), was that maybe in their improv class they did a game where each person in the line made up a word to continue the story...

I think that the final four are going to be Jenni, Sheena, DeAnna and Bettina. He will get rid of Bettina first, then DeAnna, and the final two will be Jenni and Sheena. I think that Sheena is the stealth winner and that we will begin to see more chemistry between Brad and Sheena coming up. (At least, I hope)

Kristy is a nice girl, so I sort of hate to say this, but all I can think about when I look at her is her mustache. I don't understand why he keeps her around, but I guess it is because he has so many awful girls to get rid of first.

Brad seems a little bit dull, but I think that we don't get to see all of him. I love the little things he does to make him seem genuine -- such as when he told Jade that it was possibly the most awkward moment of his life.

Finally, to those discussing Brad's awkward kiss with Jenni (or with other girls on past dates), I think a big part of it is the cameras and lighting crews and producers, etc. Last season, I happened to be at the spa where Blandy and the girls went to the mud bath, and I watched nearly the whole date. I saw them film re-takes of scenes, I watched people with ear buds (producers?) encouraging Andy and the girls to splash each other and play with the mud, to say certain things, and to have alone time together. Maybe on the show they get used to having cameras around, but it was so awkward for ME to see one-on-one time with numerous cameras all around them (no more than 5 feet away), microphones hanging down over them, etc. I would imagine it is a pretty awkward situation for them as well.

Ok, one, Bettina is not a natural blonde. Really. Why didn't she go and get her roots done before coming on this show?

I'm liking Jenni. Maybe this time Fleiss is going to give us what we've said we've wanted all along, to see the love story unfold, and that's why he's not hiding the fact that Jenni is the front runner. We always complain that the good parts of the "winning" (cough cough) relationship are edited out in order to create suspense on the show. So maybe this time he's giving us that. OK, and yeah, it's boring to watch, afterall, but whatever.

Why oh why did Jenni wear that green tube dress thingy for her one on one date? It looked like a swimsuit coverup. That was such a wierd choice. Didn't she have a cute dress or sweater/pants/blazer outfit in her suitcase? Or did she only have room for a bikini, evening gown and modeling portfolio?

Oh and Deanna is scary mean. She is so not the woman for him, as he seems a little like a gentle giant and she'd run roughshod over him. I can't wait until she gets cut.

Sheena is only there because Chad thought she was nice. She's a goner.

I really get the feeling that the conditions dislocate the 'ettes psychologically. Late nights, long stretches of boredom punctuated by bursts of prom-night terror/pressure, lights always on, full makeup always on, booze booze booze all the time if you're not used to it and you weigh 110 with your heels on -- for many of us, this was called "college," and I could do that shit for six weeks straight at 19 and not really feel it, but by 29, or now, God forbid, no way. Even two nights out in a row, I'm just not in condition for it anymore. You can see it in their skin, some of them, already, that they're having to wear heavier makeup. They look worn out.

I mean, you get what you deserve, going on this show; I don't really feel sorry for them or anything, but I agree that it's not acting. I think they're just exhausted mentally, to the point where the littlest thing just takes them around the bend in like five seconds.

All. These. Girls. Make. Me. Wanna. Hurl.

Hilary’s use of the phrase “damaged goods” to describe a divorced woman? Honey, if we follow your Victorian way of thinking, you’re a spinster who will die alone. Just sayin’.



Well, all it took for her to fall in love was a ride on a jet ski…

I can't stand Bettina! For the reasons some of y'all have mentioned, plus her lank, stringy hair.

I forgot about Hilary's totally classless speech about Bettina's being "damaged goods"! I also hated the demeaning (and nonsensical) way she compared divorced women to used cars whose tires need to be kicked to see if they still work. She is a nutbag!

To the person who asked, it was covered in the first episode that Brad is a self-made millionaire who owns several bars/clubs in Austin. Chris dragged it out of him that he's a millionaire.

I hated the improv "date," not only because it was painful to watch, but also because Brad had the nerve to say the date was important so he didn't end up with someone shy and reserved. First of all, shyness has to do with being apprehensive and uncomfortable in social situations. I don't think a truly shy person would even come on this show. But if there were a shy bachelorette, why would making her beg like a dog be at all helpful?

Being a quiet or reserved person is different from shyness; it doesn't mean you're apprehensive or uncomfortable. It just means you're quiet and reserved. That's not a negative thing, Brad. I'm going to assume he just meant that he wants someone who can cut loose and have fun. But as a quiet person, it gets annoying to hear this guy keep portraying reserve as a negative character trait. Especially when he's about as interesting as a blade of grass.

Did anyone catch, as McCracken was leaving, she said she hoped Brad would be "The father of my children. Or my husband."

wtf?

Maybe next week she'll clarify, and remind us that no one will buy the whole ice cream truck if you give out the popsicles for free.