LOVED the opening scene.

I hate Edie.

Katherine is my new "person you love to hate". At least she's not annoying as hell like Nora.

This whole thing with Dylan is bizarre. So her father was out of her life most of the time?

Ooh... conflict at the Mayers! Loved Mike's "carry on" during that scene.

Susan, Susan, Susan, haha. Hilarious scenes. She was hot in that outfit.

Great dramatic scene between Lynette and Gaby.

WOW... Bree hears more than she bargained for.

What the heck was Carlos doing at the end?!

I am really loving this season, I think this is the best first two episodes since Season 1.

Another great one tonight. It feels like season one again.

So, my guess on the secret: Her father abused Dylan, so her mother killed the husband?

Carlos wants to off Edie? What would make him call it off? Is Edie going to be pg for real?

Classic Bree getting competitive over losing her position as best housewife and the extremes she went to in order to get the meringue pie recipe. She clearly got more than she bargained for. Hopefully this episodes is Marcia's Emmy submission. She should at least get a nomination for it.

Is it just me, or does Susan look WAY prettier in the bangs/bob do we saw in the flashback?


I loved Orson's supportive outrage on Bree's behalf..."Culinary Terrorism" indeed!

Oh, Susan, when are YOU going to be Julie's mom (rather than the other way around)...And girl, put some clothes on when you leave the house!

The Gaby/Lynnette scenes were heartbreaking...

Carlos! You have stepped over the edge, man!

Hey Smart Guy!

Mike and Susan, I don't know how or when or why but something happened and now I absolutely adore them. They're just too cute.

Bree vs. Katherine, I just, I love it. Bree needed this, I didn't even realize how much.

Go Eva! That scene was heartbreaking. Gaby smiled as her father died, really touching stuff. I've always loved Gaby and Lynette's relationship.

So Edie's has a hit on her again in 4 seasons. Bitch needs to stay out of trouble. But it's really nice to have dark Carlos back, this nice, affable guy was starting to bore me big time.

I was really surprised that it was GABBY who had the problem with the cancer. I would've thought it was Bree.

Grr, I hate how they're villainizing Carlos.

I think the man in Dylan's "dream" is her dad.

Edie's so clueless and evil. And not in a good way.

Bree breaking into the house was absolutely hilarious.

Not much Lynette, but she was actually good.

Mike vs. Julie, LOL. And Susan in that outfit. She looked hot. "Carry on".

Anyone who says Eva can't act is seriously delusional. That was great crying tonight while talking to Lynette. And I loved how it showed that they care about each other a lot, and how it was implied that Gabby cares more about losing Lynette than her dad.

Kat is so deliciously evil. Totally a great character that I hope sticks around for the rest of the series, as long as she doesn't backburner any of the 4 women.

Not much Gablos, but that'll change next week. And I can't wait for the charades party.

Yeah, unless the sound guy went to town that was not a slap of how dare you.

So far this mystery is not sucking and I am appropriately tense. And good use of MA! Way to be originally involved with the mystery! Who knew how much there was behind lemon meringue?

I kinda hated Lynette's emotional manipulation of Gabby when she kicks her own weepy husband out, yet I actually felt somewhat for Gabby, lose the real dad at 5, deals with her mom's abusive boyfriends at 15...her ways with men are making more sense. Really need to learn more about these women's development.

And Susan, you are a skinny boobilicious idjit. Was Julie switched at birth? And shouldn't Mike's eyebrow have gone up when BREE stopped by SUSAN'S house for stuff to COOK WITH? Bad continuity fairies!!!

Carlos and the "hit man(?)" surprised the heck out of me. I HATE HATE what Edie has become. I would have never thought she would be so "desperate" to hold on to a man.

My oh my - Bree just might have met her match! There is only room for only one alpha female, but in the end you KNOW Bree will be it!

Cried during the Lynette and Gabby chemo scenes.

Loved Susan and Mike. Does Julie know she is pregnant yet? Oh and the throw back to the Seinfeld episode in which Jerry wonder's if Teri Hatchers boobs are real cracked me up!

Overall - good episode. Much better than last season's episodes.

That was an excellent episode. The Pie Controversy of 2007 was awesome.

So, does anyone know about Susan's pregnancy besides Mike? I mean, she drank Julie's party cup, believing that there would be alcohol. What's up with that?

LOVED the Lynette/Gaby plotline. I could definitely see why Lynette would want Gaby to be her Chemo Buddy--and Eva got to portray different colours to Gaby. Just terrific.

I do wonder what Katherine is doing undermining Bree and, from the promos, Gaby. Katherine really wants to join that clique; I liked how they framed that photograph with Katherine outside the main four. But it seems by having conflict with two of the main four, Katherine's not gonna have many friends.

I was glad to see Adam show up at the end - I was beginning to think he was the secret ingredient.

The teaser was great. The rest? Unbearably BORING. I can't believe I actually managed to stay awake.

I was wondering what had happened to Gaby's father, and her revelation was Eva's best dramatic work yet, but I really couldn't care less about Lynette's cancer story. She and Tom should be discussing custody right now, not chemo. Of course they played cards when she was in labor with Parker, not the twins or Penny.

WAAAAAAAAY too much Susan/Mike/Julie. WAAAAAAAAY too much.

Are we supposed to forget that Edie just had a birthday? I thought her gift would be the ring. The Carlos/Al scene was handled better than I thought; Carlos didn't actually come out and tell him to kill Edie. I think it could also be interpreted to mean all he wants him to do is move the money, which would also take care of his problem with Edie because then she'd have nothing to hold over him.

Doesn't anyone wonder why newlywed Gaby is practically living in her old house instead of that huge mansion?

It does appear that her marriage is an after thought. I wish they would just erase that whole story line.

TPTB want her to stay on the Lane.

We got our Mary Alice flashback already...hopefully more to come.

Right, but her friends act like it's perfectly normal. Edie didn't say, "I'm looking for Carlos...and by the way, why are YOU here?"

Oooh, I didn't think about that. I hope you're right. Edie is a heinous witch but a hit seemed like a bit much. I like your idea better...

While watching, I thought that Carlos was just moving the money.

I thought that it was Susan because she's the drama queen of the group. I like that it was Gaby, though. I can't think of many other instances of Gaby/Lynette interaction besides when Gaby kissed Tom.

I appreciated that they brought back Susan staring blankly in space and then the action flashes back to the Mary Alice days. It's the only time when Susan looking like a deer in the headlights serves a purpose to advance the plot. And I like it!

I think they did that on purpose, to leave it ambiguous for now. I'm still going with "moving the money" thing, cuz that's what he certainly implied.



They're laying low on that storyline for now. It'll get juicier by November sweeps.


I thought this episode was better than last week's.

I love how in all the Bree and Katherine scenes their hate almost seems like it's about to breakthrough and they are going to like make out and have sex right there and then.

I'm sticking with "moving the money" until proven otherwise because doing so also takes care of Edie and her threats. It's like when they showed Tom and Nora going up the stairs together so we'd think they were having an affair.

It's strange that Katherine told her second husband everything that happened with Dylan. I mean, Bree wouldn't tell Orson about Andrew hitting Mama Solis, would she?

The show is really going strong right now, I'm enjoying everything, honest to God until...they cut to Edie and Carlos. So fucking boring and dull and why did she not die? And can she die now?

Yet another fantastic episode for me. I enjoyed all of the Housewives individual stories and how they all interconnected.

Bree is quickly turning back into the character I used to love.

The only downside, for me, is Edie. She's just so monstrous, but in a very pedestrian, cheap way. Blah.

I found it strange that Carlos wanted to impress upon the man at the end how much he liked Edie in the beginning. Why would a hitman or financial representative care about Carlos' relationship with Edie? I know an amateur hitman (amateur because he doesn't have a lot of experience and I don't think he actually kills people although maybe that is just what he told me because he knows I'd be horrified at that...he just beats people up in a gang when people betray him) and what I gather is that they don't get into personal stuff, because what would be the point?

I wish there had been more Kyle M. on this show. I love the chemistry that he and Marcia Cross share. I've all but forgotten Steven Culp from the first season and at the time I was really disappointed that they had killed his character off.

Come on, who was hoping that a Drunk!Andrew would be around that party Dylan and Julie were at? You know there is a funny moment where Julie will introduce Andrew to Dylan and he will be greatly disappointed that Dylan is a girl.

ETA: What's up with this show's obsession with Chicago? The Applewhites came from Chicago, Sister Mary Hotpants came from Chicago, Katherine allegedly leaves for a job in Chicago.

Pie Gate ruled! Bree is wonderful on her own, Bree is amazing with Orson but Bree with a little nasty competition makes for fecking awesome TV.

What's up with Carlos? Do you think a hit man is just a little obvious. Maybe he's going to pay him to get some dirt on Edie so he can blackmail her back. *still wants to think well of Carlos*

I think that the original Dylan was kidnapped by her real father and Kathryn lost it and stole a child to replace her. Hmmmm? It's going to be fun to find out.

Susan rocked that corset.

If Kat has a secret that's she's currently trying to hide, then Adam should know IMO. What if it came out years later, and he wasn't prepared?

Personally, when Carlos was giving the guy the money, I thought maybe he was paying the guy to flirt with Edie and make her fall in love with him, not kill her. Though just movin the money would make sense too, though there sure wasn't 5 million dollars in that little envelope.

I agree Edie is monstrous and cheap but I think she always has been. The difference is that now she's more than Susan's nemesis, she's integral to major plot lines. To me, characters like Edie are best left on the fringes. They're funny in small doses and we root for them because they're funny and bitchy and we like that. But Edie has never had any depth and now that we're seeing more of her we realize that what we got in small bitchy doses is really all there is. The writers can't seem to reconcile her past behavior with anything we can really love, because her character was designed to be unlovable. I think it's a mistake to try to expand and humanize Edie, because she was conceived to be a selfish unlovable bitch, which was why, early on, we all loved her. Some supporting players are best left supporting players.

I know Eddie and Gabby aren't tight now but wasn't Eddie at least hanging out with the other girls of Wisteria lane before the Carlos hook up. So, shouldn't she be invited and part of Lynette's lunch and chemo if Kat's going to be?

It would've made a lot more sense than Kat being there, but maybe they didn't want her to reveal her "engagement" just yet.

From the birth of the Bree/Katherine feud to Eva’s Emmy-reel-worthy performance, this episode lived up to the season opener’s promise. Desperate, blackmailing Edie is getting on my last nerve, but with luck Carlos’s scheme will pan out. I don’t think that scheme involves a hit man. Carlos isn’t the type to resort to murder—at least not given this particular set of circumstances.

What a delicious episode! Almost reminds me of the first season.

I LOVED the Great Pie Controversy. Orson was especially funny. Also, now I'm jonesing for lemon meringue ...

The bits with Susan, Mike and Julie were cute. Actually reminds me of how my mom and I were when I was a teen. (My dad was VERY strict, and my mom actually used to help me concoct schemes to go to parties, etc.)

I also really liked the parts with Gabbi and Lynette. Eva really surprised me with how well she did that scene.

I agree with the others who've said that Edie is way too over the top and that we're seeing too much of her. I preferred it when she played a more minor role.

Great episode! Another nice blend of darkness and humour. Would have liked more Gablos, but I can't complain because I know I'll be getting them in the upcoming episodes.

I absolutely loved the beginning scene! Carlos was just too funny, and I thought it was cleverly written/acted/directed besides that. I have no doubts Ricardo had fun doing that scene, and I was reminded me of "Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em's" Frank Spencer, or Mr. Bean. I enjoyed seeing both his lighter and darker aspects of his character tonight; I don't think that the man is a hit man, but I do like the ambiguous nature of the storyline's set up.

It was good to see more of Mary Alice in the flashback. Katherine is a excellent Bree nemesis and I'm excited to learn more about her past, and Dylan's. PieGate was all kinds of awesome.

I've never doubted Eva's acting and the scene with Gabrielle with Lynette at the hospital reminded me of that she can be just as good in drama as she is in c. I was beginning wonder what happened to Gabrielle's real father.

Susan was such a trip tonight, and I think she looked great. Her scene as the mistaken stripper was great and as usual, I liked her scenes with Julie.

I think my favorite moment tonight was Orson's nonchalant reaction to Bree's admission that she broke into Katherine's house to try and steal the pie recipe. He seems to be the one person who truly understands her.

Did Carlos' scramble to get to his house remind anyone else of Ferris Bueller's Day off when Ferris is trying to beat his sister back to his house running through the neighbor's yards.

Am I the only one who thought Lynette was a little rude insisting that Gabby accompany her to the hospital? She knows Gabby is her friend. It was also pretty apparent that there was some underlying reason Gabby didn't want to go. And she had three other volunteers. Seemed a little selfish to me.

I think it was flat-out emotional blackmail. It didn't bother me that much, though, since I think all the housewives employ that tactic on a regular basis (as opposed to just straight up blackmail like with Edie. That's only for special occasions).

She intended to drink one sip just to see what was in the cup. That is hardly enough to give her unborn baby fetal alcohol syndrome. If that was the case every Episcopalain taking a sip of communion wine on Sunday would have children with birth defects.

Julie the perfect teenager isn't so perfect. Didn't she plagiarize for that hot guy whose name I can't remember, Edie's nephew or something?

I think if Gaby had a good reason to not go to the hospital, Lynette would've understood (I was expecting Lynette to mention Susan and Bree perhaps being too busy to be Chemo Buddies due to their pregnancies, but no mention). Gaby "hating hospitals" was a weak excuse, IMO. Your friend is having cancer--I think playing cards and gossiping in a hospital room for a day or two a week wouldn't hurt Gaby.

It was interesting ... I think most women in Lynette's position would have been hurt but would not have called attention to the slight at the table or marched right up and called her on it. At least not right away. But I think this show often takes liberties with realism in order to advance a plot.

Dana Delaney is awesome. She manages to be sickeningly sweet without being over the top, which is kind of refreshing for this show.

Marcia Cross is awesome and more beautiful than ever! Bree and Orson are so likable together. It's fun to see a couple on this show work together and support each other instead of manipulating, sabotaging, and resenting each other.

And I was so impressed with Eva Longoria. Whether she's a great actress or just a good one in the perfect role remains to be seen. But I'm leaning toward the latter. I really enjoy her.

Susan's stupidity continues to annoy me. She knew where she was going -- put on a top that will cover your tits!

That was actually...fun. The Bree/Katherine bitchery was at S1 levels, which is high praise. And the Lynette's cancer subplot has worked to get all the housewives together again, which this show has been missing for the past 2 years. Add in the nice juicy mystery and DH is starting to feel like appointment TV again.

My only problem is with Susan and Mike. I know that they are DH's Chosen Couple and have been from the beginning. But to me they have the least chemistry of any couple on the show (Bree & Orson are clearly #1). Half the time he doesn't even seem to like her.

Plus Edie actually has a job so she is probably busy during the week days.

Selfish of Lynette to insist on Gabby accompining her to Chemo? Sure. I hope this doesn't come out argumentitive, but can't Lynette ever be allowed to think about her own wants or needs without it being a sin? Can she ever have permission or a free pass to let something be all about her? Just seems folks are tough on her. It bugs me that it's considered a serious character flaw every time Lynette insists on anything for herself but she's expected to cave to what others want from her (as if other's wants are more important than hers). I just feel like every character on the show is given the go ahead to be out for number one except Lynette.

What I found funny was Susan showing up at the party, being mistaken for a stripper, and the boys asking “What about the implants?”. Susan’s response was “I'm pregnant”, which they thought was even more awesome.

Yay! Another good one.

Bree vs. Katherine was my favorite part of the episode. And I bet $20 that Katherine is going to be the first one to find out Bree is faking her pregnancy.

I actually like Mike this season, maybe because he's not really involved in the major plots. I think that I like him in small doses, and these small doses have been fun so far. Plus, him and Susan are so darn cute together.

The Gaby and Lynette stuff was good, as was Lynette kicking Tom out of rehab. Because Tom has just gotten plain annoying.

Tom meant well and he loves Lynette and all, but he sure wasn't doing her any good.

I like this one too, initially I thought it was slow at first, but it did have quite a bit of wonderful moments. The Susan and Mike thing was kind of boring though. I don't really think Mike should have had much of a say at all about the party. I hope they don't add any kind of father-type figure role onto Mike towards Julia in the future, I don't think it'd fit very well. At the same time it feels weird between the two of them. We didn't really see any of her side of adjusting to him as living there and being her stepfather, I guess? And does Julie even know Susan is pregnant? I feel like it's weird we didn't see that happen. And yeah why didn't Susan put on something else over her if she knew she was going outside? And to a party? It seemed like an obvious set up for a 'funny' scene at the party, which wasn't really funny imo.

Favorite quote? Paraphrasing: 'Please don't say this is another scene where you leave me and I run screaming down the road after you?' HAHA I felt like it was such a jab at that hilarious Susan in the wedding dress scene in Season 2. And yeah that one sip of beer wouldn't have had any effect on the baby, especially that early in the pregnancy. I really liked the mini-flashback with Mary Alice, it was great just seeing her there for a second. It was very subtle and fitted in perfectly and the scene was well done. Susan's hair was hilarious! I feel like she always has funny hairstyles in the flashbacks. That was so weird, with the glass or whatever falling when they were talking to Katherine though? It felt like something crucial was happening at that exact moment inside, it was creepy.

I really loved the scene with Gabrielle and Lynette. I thought Eva Longoria was really wonderful in that scene. It was miles better than the 'My baaby!' And I initially thought it was kind of pushy and weird for Lynette to want all of the women at her chemo so bad that she'd basically tell Gabrielle she has to come with her. It just seemed odd since before she was so private about it and kicked Tom out because he got emotional. Things got pretty emotional with Gabby... even the final scene with the picture was tense. But yeah I do understand why she'd want them all there, it's a pretty hard time.

Did Tom look a lot thinner/different to anyone else?

I loved all the Bree/Katherine stuff. It was so classic Season 1-ish. In the scene when Bree and Katherine were in her house and she kept refusing to give Bree the recipe, there was a part where Bree basically squeaked and then was like 'Give me the recipe!' in a highpitched voice that was just hilarious. It was creepy that she was in their house like that, but funny and I loved seeing her Wall of Keys. Bree was awesome in this episode and so beautiful. And yeah I LOVE her and Orson so much.. His enthusiasm when she was freaking about the pie was so hilarious and lovable. They're great.

Edie sucks now and I don't think Carlos is really hiring someone to kill Edie. I mean that'd sort of be ruining his character.. This show has always considered murder a 'serious thing' and focused all their mysteries on it, I don't think they'd make a very popular character just randomly kill someone else. They wouldn't be able to go on with him after that, it wouldn't be the same Carlos. I haven't read any spoilers, just thinking.

I liked this episode overall, minus some things mentioned but overall it felt Season1ish and I like the direction so far. I'm invested!

Good point. I found it emotional blackmail as well, but who among our housewives hasn't tried such tactics?

My theory is that Lynette is the most realistically drawn of all the characters, and so she doesn't get as much leeway as the more cartoonish Susan, for example. Probably not fair, but there you go. And if Gabby had admitted early on what her problem was, when Lynette ASKED, that would have solved everything. So both women were, to some extent, playing a game, even if both sides were playing it out of pain.

I totally agree with the theory, Yvaughn.