Because so long as Trista can get free stuff by reminding people of her TV love story and her peeenk wedding, there will be fame-whoring to make fun of here.

And don't forget The Most Dramatic Delivery, Ever

I don't understand how some of these guys can go on a show & go through the motions of 'dating' & picking out women--especially if you're GAY, like Aaron Buerge. I mean, I know it's good for business & advertising & all, but did I also hear that this last one was gay too (Andy)?? WTF?

wholia, did you send T&R roses when the baby was born?

Hope you're well - nice to see your name pop up!

Does anyone know the latest on Byron and Mary? It seems like it has been forever since their season - has their been a wedding? I really can't believe Mary would let this drag on so long.

Wait, Aaron is gay? That's the one who picked Helene right?

This was news to me, only because I thought they split years ago:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/25/boo-hoo-anot...chelor-bust-up/

Did a quick Google and found this in an article about a bass competition, Saturday, September 15, 2007:Either they got married without any publicity or "married" is a typo, and they're still engaged but definitely together.

Of course, snarks! Pink ones even!

The original Andy is engaged again.

Hurrah! I loved May and Byron. Kudos if they did manage to get married without any photogs and craziness (Trista & Ryan, I'm looking at you!)! I'm so glad they are still together. How long have they been together now? Has it been 2 or 3 years now?

I'm watching the DWtS Results show right and guess who I saw in the audience reaction portion? Blob! And Mrs. Blob! He's still looking as piggy as ever.

Someone traded up.

I saw Blob in the DTW baggage claim area back in July when I was waiting for my luggage. He is just as greasy as ever as well. Which was even funnier than him needing a cart to carry around his man purse.

I heard Jerry O'Connell on the Adam Carolla show this morning. When Adam said something about Charlie and The Bachelor, Jerry just said, "Yeah, he didn't have such a great experience on that show." Aaaaand blew on past that topic.

I was SO invested in Meredith and Ian during their season. Of all the bachelor/ettes, I thought their romance was the HOTTEST. I know many people were pushing for Matt, but for some reason the heat from Meredith and Ian was so obvious to me. I wish they could have made things work, but alas, life is not The Bachelor after all. I wonder what has become of them...

I'm kind of bummed to hear that. Charlie's season was one of my favorites, because he was such a goofball. And how bad could his experience have been? He stayed with Nurse (sarah?) for quite some time.

Bachelor Baldwin shipped off to Iraq

Kind of surprising....

I'm so thrilled to hear that Byron and Mary are still together!
They seemed so perfectly matched, and you could certainly feel the chemistry between those two...it was especially nice a'la Trista to see Maria redeem herself from the whole Blob spectacle and come back on the show to find true love...she seemed like a nice and genuine lady, even if she was slightly obsessed about having children/her biological clock.
Of course, I really dug Byron anyway...still one of my fave Bachelors because he was the oldest and therefore most MATURE all around.

I liked Charlie O'Connell well enough, although I really didn't think that match-up would ever last...the gal he picked just didn't even seem like she was his speed or his type.





Ahhh, Meredith and Ian---what a stunning and elegant couple!
It was such a shame they didn't work out, but I certainly wasn't surprised that they didn't...from the moment he and his brother were having their heart-to-heart in the stairwell of his building, it was obvious what a commitment phobic he truly was.
For some reason, he just reminded me of some Mr. Big type character, the city slicker smooth guy who simply couldn't find himself permanently attached to a woman who was obviously perfect for him.

I too am glad to hear that Mary & Byron are still together. Totally loved that season and thought they had a chance to make it when it was all over with.

Speaking of past Bachelors, I'm a huge college football fan so I've been catching Jesse Palmer on ESPN2 pretty much every day now when he does his show. As much as I couldn't stand him as the Bachelor, I have to admit, he's pretty good as a talking head. And since I'm very shallow, he looks pretty darn good all dressed up in a nice suit. I wonder if he's still trolling the NYC bar scene or has settled down with someone?

According to this interview in USAToday, Andy's on his way to Bahrain in January, and it certainly sounds like he and Tessa aren't together.



Andy's evasive answers and his reluctance to be more specific about his relationship with Tessa "at the behest of ABC" sure sounds like ABC is preventing an official announcement about their break-up while the current season of TB is in progress. His answers do not sound like a guy who's happily in love and in a committed relationship. While they may love each other, at this point it sounds more like the way he described his love for Bevin.

Is there anything lower in celebrity-dom than showing up in the audience for DWtS or AI in a desperate attempt at a few seconds of screen time?

I wonder if that comment has to do with the fact that Charlie felt so bad about the whole elimination process that they sort of changed the format of the ending. Rather than blow off the runner-up with the horrible "You're great. . .but" and then shuttling her off into the limo of tears, they had a special episode where he announced his choice. I thought it seemed obvious that the "loser" and her family already knew she wasn't the one. Even if you find the person of your dreams, it still must suck to have to lead on people you're going to dump. It's all rather cruel. I sort of respected him for taking a different way out. Although maybe I just liked him, but that's what I'm going to believe.

I like Mary and Byron. If they secretly got married out of the spotlight, I have a great deal of respect for that.

I might be mistaken, but I thought they already made an official announcement about the break-up of their engagement.

Part of the reason I couldn't get on board with the whole Andy and Tessa thing is Andy was basically asking her to move to Hawaii when his life wasn't really settled. I didn't see him as in a position to really commit to a relationship. I mean, it's possible to make something like that work, but it seems unlikely. Following someone in the military around or waiting for them when they're overseas is hard enough for a real life couple, but even harder for a reality show couple. I think they're better off as friends until Andy gets to a point in his career where he's more stable and they can really work on things. Or maybe they just want to work on their relationship out of the spotlight. Either way, I think it's smart.

Yes, they did announce the end of their engagement in July, when they also announced that Tessa would not be moving to Hawaii as had been planned since their engagement. However, they also said they were still together as a couple and wanted private time away from the publicity to develop their relationship. Since that time, though, it became increasingly clear that's not the case. The video of Andy flirting with a former Miss Iran in L.A. that appeared on TMZ last month plus other hints on the status of their relationship were indicators that it was over. Andy's guarded comments in the USA Today article lend more credence to the relationship's demise.

I think you are right about Andy and Tessa breaking up for good now. You can watch the video from his finish at the Ironman on Saturday.

Tessa is not there to greet him at the end. He had previously said how important it was for him to watch his wife there.

Kind of sad. I actually had hope for them.

Random gossip from a friend who was a crew member during Andy's season:

Andy complained constantly to the crew that the selected women weren't hot enough for him.

Andy had his mind made up in the first few days that he would choose Tessa because he has a thing for Asian/Middle Eastern women.

He wanted to keep Bevin around until the final two because, he said, she looked "easy".

In the first few days, Andy and Bevin had some alone time in the hot tub. They kept making out after the producers told them their segment was up. Finally, a producer had to grab Bevin by her ear and pull her out of the hot tub. She was told to go to bed--alone.

Andy slept with Amber--the one who had the hard life--two hours before he kicked her off the show for being only 22.

Andy was a total slut. He said he didn't worry about his sluttiness because he could take care of most STDs he got since he's a doctor. He didn't care if he spread STDs to others.

Wow, what a gentleman.

If Andy is that much of a jerk, wouldnt it have been obvious to Fleiss? why would they let him be on the show?

Wasn’t there a post many months ago after the appearance of Andy’s friend Gatsby on the show (the super-rich guy who acted gay)? Didn’t someone who knew both men say that they were constantly making fun of the whole Bachelor process behind the scenes, and that both were known to be bigtime arrogant ladies’ men? It seemed improbable then, but now I believe it.

Oh, something else my pal told me:

On the first night, Andy sat on a glass coffee table to speak to the ladies, and ended up shattering it. Originally, the producers planned to show that in the bloopers, but decided against it because they were pushing him as a suave gentleman.

Didn't Fleiss want some Naval doctor that had been awarded a slew of medals for his bravery in Iraq? The guy was on the cover Newsweek and the word going around was this guy was approached and that he turned Fleiss down so maybe Lt. Jerk Andy was just a way to still do the whole Naval doctor "hero" story line but without the actual hero!



I remember that. Sorta believed it back then but after watching the season and the way he treated Bevin & Amber, I totally believe it now.

Okay, did any of us REALLY buy that Andy was supposed to be some suave gentleman?
Because if I remember right, I think most of us here were giggling about what a former nerd-turned hunk he obviously was, what with his akwards attempts at conversation with the ladies. Suave and charming he most certainly wasn't...
And it doesn't surprise me one bit that he was a big ol' manwhore who thought he was too hot for the ladies there. Most unmarried and transiant types like that usually end up lifetime bachelors anyway...I always got a smug n' slimey vibe off him, the same one I got with those other slimey manslut Bachelors, Prince Lorenzo and Blob.

I never liked Andy. He was just dorkish and short to me, there was nothing special about him. And it irritated me how he smiled all the time.

I do remember reading that they had to disqualify a large pool of Bachelorettes because of std’s. Please don’t tell me they disqualified women because of that and not the Bachelor himself. Please tell me that is not true.

The crew member did not say that Randy-Andy currently has STDs, or had them in the past. What Andy said was that he didn't worry about possibly catching STDs in the future, since as a doctor he can treat himself. Andy did not express concern about spreading STDs before detecting them. Andy did not mention any concern about HIV/AIDS.

Ok. That makes it better, but not really. So his mindset is: I don't care about being a manwhore b/c if I get burned b/c of it I can treat myself.

Yes, he is as dumb as he looks.

No, he still looks like a slutty jerk either way. I would assume, however, the bachelor is tested for STDs before shooting.

Comments in the main thread about the Trista/Ryan season reminded me....In case anyone is listening to those of us who LOVED that season ("Most.Romantic.Bachelor/Bachelorette. Ever!")...why isn't it on dvd? With a bonus feature of the wedding? I'm sure that would sell (and rent) very, very well!

Instead, they give us a dvd of....Aaron? I don't get it.

Another confirmation of the Andy/Tessa break-up from Mitch (Gatsby's) blog..



I'm sorry, I just don't believe any of this. It sounds like the kind of stuff that's posted to the alphabet board. It's too bad the relationship didn't work out, and I do think there's an element of dorkiness/famewhore with Andy, but he's also done lots of charitable work, especially for kids, unlike the other slimeballs (Aaron, PLo, Jesse, Blob). And if he'd really been such a manslut in the past, there would have been women selling their stories to the Enquirer (a la Byron), and I haven't seen anything of that nature. I do think Andy and Tessa were both caught up in the artificial atmosphere of the show and believed they were in love, but after they spent time in the real world, their differences became glaringly obvious. Tessa is a private person/Andy enjoyed the spotlight. It wasn't meant to be.

Cool. While he's at it he can find a cure for herpes. Good luck, douchebag.

I'm curious why "behind the scenes" stories about Andy on TB would be posted here so late in the game. He may be a sleaze (naturally, after I finally got to think he was a nice guy and he and Tessa were a cute couple), but to hear all this so long after the show's been over, from someone who supposedly worked on it at the time, doesn't really make sense to me.

Too bad Bevin didn't win. At least she would be blogging to us all about the breakup. My business or not, I'd like to know what happened--but Tessa's too classy. She's not likely to ever say anything.

Crew sign a stack of forms to not share anything at all about the show, even with family and friends, until after the season is completed. I generally post on other shows' forums, but wanted to share what I knew about this show here. I was unaware there was a date by which I had to post about a series, especially since this section is about past seasons. I shared what I was told.

It's not that there's an expiration date for posting about the previous season, but B10 ended 5 months ago. Given the sensational nature of this "inside information," it's surprising that none of it has appeared on the boards I've read since the end of last season. And that it just happens to surface as confirmation of the break-up is being publicized. I just don't believe any of this could have been suppressed for 5 months after the season ended, and 8 months since filming began, if it was real -- in fact, I think if it were true it would have surfaced even before the end of the season. Signed contract or no, this kind of juicy gossip gets out and in the tabloids even while the filming is still in progress, from "reliable sources."

It looks like Kate from Andy's season has some less than flattering things to say about him. Most notably that (and I will paraphrase) he is a womanizing jerk. Not far off what we are now hearing from other sources. Honestly, I could never figure out why, if Andy was such a nice guy, he would have a world class tool like Gatsby as a BFF.

Andy telling the crew that some of the girls should be put on a diet. Her telling Andy he was a sleeze. And on and on. Doesn't surprise me a bit, but, interesting reading nonetheless.

Anyway, all can be seen on Kate's blog at kate's dish on the bachelor

I read about the table breaking incident on another board quite awhile ago. I'm not sure that I believe all of this stuff (when exactly did he have time to nail Amber when they were separated after hometowns until right before the RC?). But, I don't have a hard time believing the rest of it. As for why it would have been kept secret for so long? I have a feeling it could have been suppressed out of respect for Tessa. I believe she was generally well-regarded among the cast and crew. Now that they are no longer together, no need to keep it secret.

Priceless exerpt from Kate's blog that totally confirms my suspicions about Andy(thanks Haley!):

Oi vey - E! Talk daily just got worse. First Ben Mulroney and now ...drumroll...Jesse Palmer.
Yes, that's right. Canada's biggest fame ho jock wash up is now going to be an entertainment reporter.

Shoot me now.

I read Kate blog but missed the explanation of why she went ahead on the show even though she was already dating Ben. Anyone know her explanation?

I don't find the stuff about Andy hard to believe. It often seemed like he was kind of detached from the whole thing, not emotionally invested. At times it was hard to tell if he was just a big dork or if he really wasn't that into the "process." Now it looks like an equal helping of each.

She met him a few weeks before she had to leave, when she had already been accepted on the show and gone through the long application process. I wonder what would've happened (and if she'd be saying all this stuff) if Andy had picked her. Would she have turned him down?

What Kate has to say could be true, and some of it we've heard from other contestants (producers making them cry), but I have no sympathy for anyone who voluntarily signs up to do these shows and then whines about the editing, that they're not shown as who they really are. No one put a gun to their head to force them to do the show or sign the contract. And I think her explanation for why she was "forced" by the producers to do the worm is BS. They can't force you to do anything you don't want to do if you're really offended by the request. Sure, you may go home sooner or you may not get much camera time ... ah, got it.

ABC used to have the contract for TB contestants posted on their web site (don't know if they still do), and it specifically stated that producers had the right to portray contestants any way they wanted to. What's hard to understand about that? If you read the contract and understood the risk you're taking by literally putting your life in the producers' hands, then don't whine about how unfaaaaiiiirrrr it is to you when they make you look like whatever they want (a bitch, a whiner, a drunk, etc.). If you didn't read or understand the contract or signed it anyway because you wanted a nice vacation, don't think you won't pay a price for it -- you're gving away your right to decide how you'll be portrayed on the show.

The problem is that these women have no idea what lengths the producers will go to in order to get the show they want, ie, the sound byte or clip they want. They berate the women, they harass them to get a crying segment out of them, if they won't cry over the bachelor then they throw stuff at them to make them cry, and in Tina's case is was the death of her father.

So, they did sign the contract, but they have no idea what the effects of little sleep, little food, and constant berating by production would do to them, not to mention the over abundance of alcohol to fuel the fires even further. The producers not only pit the women against each other, but they also undermine the confidence of the various women by making them think that possibly their "connection" isn't as strong as they think it is. They will also stir the pot and tell women what the others have said about them, etc. There is enough info out there from previous bachelorettes for us to know what goes down behind the scenes. These women go into it thinking that the production staff are their friends, but they find out very quickly that the opposite is true.

There are some women that are more susceptible to the harassment, and those are the ones who give up the "gold" as it were with catty, bitchy, whiney or crying segments. That's what production wants, and that's what they get no matter what it takes to get there.

And that's show biz, folks. After 10 seasons of this show, with all the information that's been out there from previous contestants about what really happens, I'm amazed anyone would be naive enough to essentially sign their life away when they sign that contract. IMO, these people really don't care what they're signing away at the time they're signing the contract. Most think it's a free trip to do things they'd never experience in their everyday life. They never stop to think what "we can portray contestants any way we want" really means to them personally until they're in the midst of it all, and then it's boo hoo, these terrible, mean people, waaaaaaa. They're adults who made a conscious choice to sign that contract which is very little about what you want and everything about what they want. I'll never understand how any thinking person would not read that contract and then run, not walk, away from signing it.

I think people could read that contract backwards and forwards and human nature would still lead some people to think a) it can't be as bad as those other girls say, b) it won't happen to me, and c) I'm tough and I can handle whatever these people throw at me just fine. I mean the horror stories do seem crazy but each year there are women who say something along the lines of "I thought I could handle it because there's no way it could be that bad but I had no idea what it was really all about." I bet the producers hit new lows every year. The women who sign up may think they can handle the things their heard about but they have no idea what's headed they're way.

I don't think anyone (at least the blogs I've read) is bitching about the whole experience. They seem to have made friends with most of the other women, had some fun experiences and even had fun with some of the crew. The major issue is the lengths the producers go to get the money shot (crying, cattiness, outrageous behaviour). There is a certain world-weary 'fool me once' tone to what these women have to say and some seem to realize that they got themselves into this situation.