Hi, everyone. I'll be moderating this forum, temporarily. I just wanted to introduce myself to you all, and give you a place to ask questions.

For what it's worth, I love Veronica Mars, and am starting to miss it, now that the fall premiere season is upon us.

Welcome to Neptune, Barnes! If the testimonials in the Forum Questions thread are to believed, we're lucky to have you.

Why is this only a temporary assignment? Will the new fall shows steal you away from us?

Hi there. Question- Can we start debating season three vs. the first two in the current The Great Debate: Season 1 vs. Season 2 thread? Some posters have hit on it a little so far, but I just wanted to make sure it was all right to get in-depth, and if so maybe you could add season 3 to the title? Thanks.

HeyJuliet, sure thing. I just changed the name to "A Thread for All Seasons: The Great Debate."

Polter-Cow, mod assignments are generally temporary at first. Right now though they're a little more seriously temporary, as we wait to see which new shows bring in a lot of traffic. I could end up here for a long time, or I could be gone in a fla

Hey, if you disappear, you can be sure Veronica & Keith will look for you.. And they can find anyone...

[I hope you'll be sticking around....]

This may be just me and my anal self, but the article in front of the retitled cast and crew thread is totally screwing with my mind. Every time I see the thread, I have to remind myself what it is and where the hell I am, since every other VM thread begins with simply "Veronica Mars," not "The Veronica Mars." I think it would help the transition if it were just called "Veronica Mars Cast & Crew: Where Are They Now?" since the first three words are analogous to "Veronica Mars Cast in Other Roles."

Hey TWoP Barnes. I have a question about not correcting people's grammar in the Meet Market thread. I'm a writer and it really helps me when people point out my mistakes, and I've long let it be known that I want them to. Would it be okay as long as the poster has cleared it?

Thanks in advance.

No. I didn't mean to make a big deal of it, but it's basically a boards on boards violation (see the FAQ if you're unsure what that means).



I got a complaint about the old thread name, because it just read, "Veronica Mars Cast in Other Roles," and that person thought it was confusing without the definite article (i.e. is the thread about Veronica/Kristen Bell being cast in other roles, or is it the cast of the show appearing in roles other than their roles in Veronica Mars). I added the "The" and then realized a significant portion of the discussion was about the writers, so I changed the whole thread name. In short, if you make me change it again, Polter-Cow, I'm going to cry.

*cries*

Oh, now you've done it.

*cries harder*

*passes tissues*

Please don't be afraid to use this thread. I don't even wear my boots in here.

I think that some people got scared off anyways.

I left my teeth on the nightstand and everything.

TMI! TMI!

{We all believe that our nightstands are still for KY & condoms; not eyeglasses & false teeth. The reality, alas....}

But since all we can do of late is cheer KB on, and lament JD's swamp; what's to get into trouble over?

It was TMM (too much misinformation). I still have my own teeth. And I'm not sure why given my gene pool, but I don't have glasses yet.



I don't know. I just know whenever I'm in this thread, I smell bread.

I predict that once the DVD's come out, there will be action in this thread. Stay strong!

I have a couple of questions:

I thought as long as it wasn't "in-depth" discussion of a tv show, it could be discussed in a meet market like "xxxx show is cool. I liked it and will watch it again" versus "xxxx show is cool. It really identifies the growing social concerns currently impacting our nationwide educational system." Plus, would an alternating series of posts of a certain show (with or without spoiler bars) fall under the "heavy discussion" part?

I was also wondering how it applies to characters as well. Is in "passing fancy" okay as long as it is not "in-depth" discussion?

My second question, which I think is the most salient question, is "can a fan of a show be a fair and impartial mod?" I asked this based on this response from that livejournal entry:

I ask that since that there are people who feel that VM is not the great show that it once was and are wondering if it's okay to express that opinion in a character thread, episode thread or even the meet market without fear of being picked on, warned or reported just for "not liking something".

I think it makes the most sense to have Mods that are 'fans' of a show to be the moderator for a particular forum, rather than one that's unfamiliar with the show or its characters. Of course, that makes me feel sorry for the mods of crappy shows like Bionic Woman, etc, so I hope those Mods have shows they actually enjoy to balance them out. I also think it was stated that people can say anything, positive or negative, as long its on topic for the thread and it isn't in violation of the TWoP guidelines?

That being said, I'm glad you watched and enjoyed VM, TWoP Barnes. It was a great show, regardless if it wasn't perfect!

Hi, Warden. Thanks so much for stepping up to the plate. I'm going to answer your second question first, because it seems important to put this out on the table, and let you know how I think.



I hope so; I think so, too. I've seen it done. It's why I had so much to say, here. I think I'm being fair in my other forums. If you have a specific concern -- if you see me post something that makes you question whether or not I'm moderating according to my fannish opinions, rather than according to the FAQ, please PM or e-mail me with the details and your concerns.

For what it's worth, I don't think a fan has to love every moment a show ever puts on the air, or that people are bad fans, because they find fault with aspects of a show. TWoP isn't even a fan site. It's a TV site, and praise, analysis, and criticism are equally welcome, as long as posters express their opinions in ways that conform to site rules.

One of the reasons I got rid of the negative opinions thread is that I don't want any opinion ghettos. I don't want people who are dislike the show (or an aspect of it) to feel like they have to go bury their opinions in a dark corner. People are free to express their opinions on any topic in the thread for that topic.


It's absolutely okay, and invited in all the show/character/actor and other discussion threads (although it wouldn't belong in the Meet Market). Picking on or otherwise being rude to people is not. I don't care if people think VM was perfect, or think it needs to be tossed into the Lake of Fire for all eternity. What I do care about, is that TWoP posters follow the rules as laid out in the FAQ, and are generally decent and polite to one another.

I'm pretty pragmatic about the show, itself. It's dead, and I can see why, but I'm glad I watched it and would have kept watching if they'd kept making it. For what it's worth, I believe I've reduced old warnings for people who loved and hated the show (and of course, for those in between) at an even rate. It seems to me that I have sent notes and warnings at an even rate, too.



Thanks, bfragrant. I'll probably be trying to shut everyone up, huh?


I agree, rowancelest. I've substituted in forums of shows I didn't watch, and although I walked into them with no opinions about the show or its fans, I didn't walk out that way. Just exposure to the message boards is going to give a person some opinions about the show and its fanbase.



Yes. Praise it to the heavens, piss all over it, or just talk about it -- that's fine, as long as everyone is good to each other.

Okay, about TV discussions in Meet Market...

Here's the deal: people have been talking TV all along in the Meet Market. I think I've been here since mid-September. I believe (please correct me if I've forgotten) that last week was the only time I had to say anything about TV. You'll notice I didn't edit out those posts. Nobody got in any trouble, either. All I did was give the thread a heads up. When you're starting to get into the plot it's time to move the discussion. If you want to post that you didn't like Pushing Daisies as much as you liked Chuck, because Pushing Daisies was too sweet, whereas Chuck has more of an edge, that's fine.

Here are some of the things Strega (she's our boss) has told the moderators:





You'll notice that last quote Strega addressing the Buffy forum, which hasn't had a new episode since May of 2003, but still has a forum, rather than just a single thread, much like this show.

Here's a link to Strega's response to House posters about this same issue. House is, of course, still on the air.

I hope those answers address most people's questions. Let's get to your direct ones:



The first example is fine. The second example probably isn't. If you're talking about drug dealers, and you happen to reference Weeds, you're not out of bounds. If you're talking about drug dealing on Weeds, you need to take it to the Weeds forum.

I'm not sure what you mean by an 'alternating series of posts of a certain show'. If a bunch of people are telling another bunch that they love/hate or should/shouldn't watch Pushing Daisies in the course of light conversation, that's fine. If they get into a discussion about episodes, it's not. And generally speaking, if you need spoiler bars, you probably need to take it out of Meet Market and into the appropriate forum/thread.


Yes.

I hope this helps. Thanks again for asking, Warden.

Thanks for answering them. Your responses (and Strega's) sound pretty clear and easy to understand.

Thanks for reiterating this clearly. I have no desire to be at a fan site.

I have few doubts you can be & will be even-handed across the board.



Having been in the 'You can't fight in here; this is the War Room' trap; I especially appreciate this.

And that's another reason I shut it down (and don't allow them in any forum I moderate). I believe those threads contribute to bad feelings in a community. The people who aren't loving every moment, feel like they have to take their criticisms to the negative or unpopular opinions thread. They then feel entitled to criticize without having their opinions questioned, which seems to me to be antithetical to the idea of a discussion forum. Meanwhile, posters who have valid points to make about criticisms they read get frustrated that they're basically shut out from a thread, just because they don't agree with someone. Then someone goes and opens a vm-hate LiveJournal and the whole thing goes to hell.

Interesting discussion often involves disagreement. If we were all posting, "ROCKED" it would be pretty boring (as it would be if we were all posting "SUCKED").



Oh good, I'm glad. Thank you, Warden. I apologize for my typos. I can't edit them. The board is being silly. My original post was rejected as being too long, so I split it into two parts. When I posted the second part, the board then combined the two, because that's what it does to keep us from double posting. Now it won't let me edit, because it's telling me the two posts it insisted on combining is too long. I love technology.

Wow, that is silly! Technology RULES, no?

Thanks for this discussion; it's very interesting.

Hey, Barnes?
I was wondering if it's off topic to talk about your least favourite episodes in the Best.Episode.Ever thread? Since when you mention one the other folllows. Can we get a seperate thread for that, or would you consider adding a (And.The.Worst) in the thread title? Although I don't know how that would work out since that thread has a "best episode" poll inside it even though it consist of only half of the Season 1 episodes.

When I get a chance, I will open up a new thread for best/worst episodes, with a poll that lists all 64 episodes. In the meantime, go ahead and talk about your picks for worst in the best thread.

Ok, thanks!

You're welcome. I meant to say I'll transfer all the posts from the old best thread into the new thread, too.

It looks great :)

Maybe I missed an obvious thread for it, but where can we discuss the season 4 VM:FBI pilot?

Hope it's okay to answer this one myself.

This thread was dedicated to discussing season four before the DVDs came out, and hasn't seen much activity in a while. Still, it seems the most relevant place to discuss the FBI pilot.

Thanks, EpicAmends.

PissyMissy, you can also discuss it in the A Thread for All Seasons or the DVD thread. Choose, based on what you want to say about it.

I was checking out some recaps today, and the last page of the fame audit appears to be missing.

JAZ853, I don't have the ability to fix that. Mention it in the New Technical Issues thread, if it isn't already listed in the Known Technical Issues thread. Subforum link.

Thanks, sorry I did the wrong thread!

Hey, no, this thread is here for questions. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help.

You mean other people don't randomly have VM marathons just in general?

Of course we do. We're obsessive, aren't we? I thought cutting down on the 'randomly' aspect might make it a little more fun.

I am already in the middle of my own S1 re-watch. My friend Jami is exposing her friends to VM one week at a time. Almost every Sunday they watch an episode of VM with us and we watch an episode of something they like. Because we went on a holiday hiatus we are almost exactly in line with which episode was airing at this time in 2005. If we get together tonight we'll be watching 1.13: "Lord of the Bling." For me having the two new guys along for the ride makes it that much more fun. Is there a way we could get another defunct fandom involved and do a trade? We watch an ep of their show, they watch one of ours? Maybe "Freaks & Geeks" or "Felicity"?

Well...I wouldn't want to trade for Felicity. Heh. But more importantly, I don't have episodes of other shows. I'd still love to do a rewatch, though. Is anyone else interested? What timeframe would we be thinking of -- one episode a week?

I'd be interested... I'd say one or maybe even 2 eps a week, but no more...

I'm interested. I could probably only do 1, maybe 2 eps a week.

I would be up for a rewatch as well. I have been doing my own personal continous rewatch since I discovered the show last spring anyway. Either 1 or 2 eps a week would work for me.

I was a late comer to the Veronica Mars party, so I would totally support a VM rewatch.

I too was late in coming into VM, so I'd be up for a rewatch. I'd lean towards one episode a week, but could probably manage two.

Schedule it any way you want, but my suggestion is to start with one episode per week. If people then find they're watching entire disks or whatever, we can change it.

Come up with a schedule here (day, date, episode number and title) and I'll post it in the announcement thread, and one of you all can post it to the TWoP Calendar.

I really want to rewatch VM. I was planning to do that since I've watched the series finale, but I never really got to do it.

I agree with one episode per week. I don't have much time and I'm not sure that I will be able to watch more. Also, it would give a great chance for first-timers to have a full week of discussions.

How about we start on Saturday, the 9th of February? It would give us enough time to tell other people about re-watch and weekend seems rather convinient to me.

sounds good to me! I'm in with starting on the 9th of February.

Sounds good to me as well.

I'm in...I was doing a rewatch anyway but skipping around amongst faves, so it would be good to start at the beginning again.