Amber

Jameka

Dustin

Jen

Jessica

Eric

Zach

Who does each of them vote for?....ED or Dani need 4 votes to win...Eric must vote as America's Player

Amber: Daniele (because Jameka and Dustin are voting for Daniele)

Jameka: Daniele (due to Dick's anti-religion stance)

Dustin: Daniele (due to Dick's homophobic comments)

Jen: Daniele (lesser of 2 evels?)

Jessica: Daniele (only because Eric did)

Eric: Daniele (only because he was told to)

Zach: Dick (because he just doesn't fit in)

6-1 Daniele

Just a guess!

I wonder if the jury house guests are as apathetic as the rest of the world and just don't care at this point? The worst that could happen happened. End of show.

There is no way Eric was told to vote for Daniele, and Jessica has hated Dani for a while. Both of them are votes for Dick I think.

I think the AP vote wil go for ED. Therefore Eric sways Jess..."Listen Babe, ED was the real player. He also cooked and cleaned while all Dani did was sit around bitching and moaning"

I also think Jen will chalk ED's nastiness to "game" while she will hold Dani accountable for stabbing her in the back on a personal level that last week

I think Amber also votes for Ed despite his nastiness to her. She thinks Dani is horrible for cheating on her boyfriend.

For some reason ED seemed to get along with his housemates except when tormenting them before challenges to throw them off.

I think ED may have won this thing.

I think it's more simple than that. Game aside, the jury will vote for Dick to win as their last attempt to make Dick, and Dani miserable like the two of them did to the jury most of the summer. And, from the Donatos' response to the jury questions, that plan (whetehr it's a plan or not) seems to work.

It wasn't long ago, Dick and Dani were proclaiming themselves 'the winners', and how the jury didn't matter. Now, they are fighting and crying over it while Dick is saying 'he didn't really win', and Dani 'just wants to go home'.

HAHAHA!

I agree. If Dick wins, the selfishness will come out full speed ahead and he'll run with the $, never to look back at his daugher. If Danielle wins, Dick will sweet talk his way to take a piece of the pie, widening the so-called "rift" they are supposed to have.

Dani probably thinks she has it in the bag, although it doesn't really even matter at this point.

Jen: Daniele

Dustin: Daniele

Amber: Dick (He has a daughter! Like me!!)

Eric: Dick (He's Allison's Player and those will be his instructions IMO)

Jessica: Dick

Jameka: Daniele

Zach: Dick

Dick wins 4/3 and uses Daniele's hostile behaviour as a convenient excuse to keep all the money. He also blows off the lovelord Allison as he heads to the nearest Hard Rock Cafe to spend spend spend.

I am torn. I do think the AP's vote will go to Dick, and that will influence Jessica.
The others are a crapshoot.

Dick will win the money and Danielle will hate him regardless because she feels that she has not been given credit for her contribution to the win. Dick will give Danielle money and she will take it, but she will still hate Dick. They will blow the money in a year and their relationship will worsen because the fundamental issues will not have been addressed and managed.

A Donato. Sucks either way.

Eric: Dick (AP vote)
Jessica: Dick (Maybe she'll be influenced by Eric. She never thought for herself this whole time, why stop now?)
Jen: Daniele (Dick tortured her and she has always said Daniele was playing harder than anyone)
Dustin: Daniele (He finds Dick repugnant but didn't seem to mind Daniele that much)
Zach: Daniele (Dick insulted him in his goodbye message and he likes Daniele better)
Jameka: Daniele (Dick insulted her religion way too much)
Amber: Daniele (to go along with the others)

5 to 2 for Daniele.

However, this is only using logic when I look at each juror individually. I can see the jury voting for Dick too because they have been retards the whole game and why would they stop now? I could see Zach, Jameka and Amber voting for Dick... only because their minds truly work in truly mysterious ways.

Well, the live feed discussion thread is closed so...

It's hard to swallow that AP (Eric) may determine who wins.

I think the AP vote will be for ED to win. Eric has been very successful in his tasks ($40K in his pocket) so once he gets his orders he can start to work to sway not only Jess but Amber, Jameka, Jen, Dustin, Zach...

I didn't even bother to vote. Most of my votes actually "counted" this season, but it didn't matter in the end. I didn't care about either of them.

One vote that I know for sure is that Jen will not vote for Dick. It just won't happen. She said in mulitiple exit interviews that she will vote for anyone besides him. She may hate Danielle but she despises her dad more.

Eric will only be able to sway Jess, which is very easy anyways.

Jen also said her biggest regret in the game was voting to keep Dick over Dustan. And yet, she was upset with Dani so she may be influence to vote for Dick. I hope not.

I am hoping the jury votes for Dick. He is a parent with 2 children, and I think he will manage the money better and share it between both his children. I am hoping the jury sees this and votes for Dick, regardless of personal feelings. I hope they see the larger picture. I think Jen will vote for Daniele.

True, sissykay. She had no comments for ED when leaving the house but was pissed at Dani, who she thought had her back.

I'm pretty sure that Jen will vote against Dick and vote for Daniele... and I'm also pretty sure that Grodner and Co. will skew it in the finale and call Jen out for something regarding her vote, just to give us the villainess' ending. Whatever. The only reason I'm going to watch the finale is in the hopes that Jen or Dustin or Zach or somebody pulls a Sue Hawk. Which, I'm sure, will be edited out.

I could see Eric telling the others to vote for ED instead of Dani because instead of standing up to her Dad and defending the people he was harassing, she sat there and not only did nothing but snickered and encouraged the behavior. Which is worse? Her bahavior was just as bad as ED's IMO. At least with ED, you knew where you stood---the knife was in your chest instead of your back....

Normally I find bitter juries to be annoying, I usually find the Sue Hawks of reality TV to be petty.

However this is one bitter jury I am not only looking foward to, but also ever so cheering them on! I want this jury to be bitter with a capital B!

BB juries are normally never as bitter (even though they are more emotional then the Survivor juries) then the Survivor ones. I think this maybe the first one where it could very well be so.

Jen has equal reasons NOT to vote for either Donato... however, since those are the only choices she has, let's see... she can decide which is the lesser of the two evils, the one who verbally and physically abused her during her stay there or the person who swore that she had her back, only to stab her in it and vote her out? Were my name Jen, as much as I don't like it, I'd get over Danielle's betrayal and call it game and give her my vote. It'd be different if she had a better choice in opposition to Danielle to choose from. But I'm sorry... I'd NEVER give my abuser my vote and call it "game", "strategy", "technique", or whatever you want to call it. It's abuse, unnecessary abuse, plain and simple and should never have been tolerated. While others may give him their vote, b/c maybe their attacks weren't as bad.... Jen? She's well within her right to withhold her vote from him. Not to mention have CBS pay for her therapy bills for the next 20 years.... poor girl.

It doesn't even really matter who they vote for.

I think Jen already made up her mind. Unlike the rest of the hammies, she isn't easily swayed. She didn't even fall for the DR's manipulations. Grant it she did vote off Dustin, but that was because Eric used her kindness for weakness minutes before the live eviction.

I really hope Jen goes off on Dani before she gives her the vote in order to show that she is only voting for Skeletor because she has no choice.

I was going to post this link in the live thread but I just realized it's closed! Anyway, those of you who despise D/D might take some pleasure in watching this. This is after the jury questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbzKKNXuZZ0

I think Jen is the least likely member of the jury to go off on the final 2. Everyone voting for Daniele should say they are voting for her on the condition that she buy a thesaurus and look up the word "frustrating." Let's have a little variety in our whining please! Although someone would have to explain "thesaurus" to Amber in little words.

I am so grateful I took Miss Alli's suggestion of not watching and just reading the recaps and the TWoP boards.

Agree, I would not want to be one of these jurors and have to give these two $500K and/or $50K. Both of them have pretty despicable. The snickering after Zach's loss and the arrogance that came with each of their wins was hard to watch. They claim "game" but at the same time take it to very personal levels.

Arrogant to the end Daniele says (right before the jury questions began) "This is akward I don't even want to talk to them.. we evicted them this should be over"

That youtube video of Danielle pissed after the Jury vote is awesome!!
It really shows that no matter what Daniele will not be happy no matter what. She is the biggest spoiled brat I have ever seen. She sounds like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum: "They only thing they care about is my personal life, They think I did nothing in the game, They laughed when I explained my strategy,They think you had it harder than me, I haaaate these people, This place Suuuuucks, I wanna go hooooome, leave me alooooooone!"
Run to bathroom, lock the door & cry. - priceless.

This is what has me confused about the jury. Will Dustin and Jen stick to their guns and not vote for ED? Or will something they see on the DVD's the succeeding HG's brought with them change their mind? Or will
Eric or Jess or Jameka or Zach tell them things that happened since they left to alter their perceptions of ED and or Dani? Will the jury consider ED or Dani the "mastermind playa" in their 2 person alliance?
Who will they reward?

I think the jury is playing with their heads. The jury questions last night led both ED & Dani to think that ED will get the votes, but when the moment comes, the votes will be for Dani to win. And since ED will have spent 3 days spending the money in his head, it will be somewhat of a blow to him to have it handed over to his little girl who won't give him the time of day.

While this would certainly be interesting to see, the only person smart enough to implement this plan is Eric and his vote is almost certainly for Dick.

Edit: added spoilers just in case. Sorry!

Wait, did the jury stuff already happen??? If so, shouldn't a lot of the last page be spoilered? Jury stuff hasn't aired yet - I don't want to hear what happens!


Wait, Dick is a parent? I HAD NO IDEA.

Edited when my post became the next page

Oh, I think it matters plenty. Neither of them wants to spend the next few months or years, how ever long it takes for the money to get spent, begging the other one for shares of it. If Dick gets it, he'll use it to force Daniele to stay in touch and go to school or jump through whatever other hoops he thinks she should jump through, and she'll have to wheedle every dollar of spending money out of him. If Daniele gets it, she'll move and change all her phone numbers and other contact information, and Dick will have to track her down to try to twist his "share" out of her. It won't be pretty either way.

I wonder if Dick will try to use reverse psychology on the jury, telling them to give the money to Daniele in the hopes that they'll reward his selflessness by giving it to him instead. He could end up looking totally noble on TV and still walk off with the prize.

I think that's exactly what's going to happen. He's going to get up and make a speech about how he's been looking after his daughter the entire time, and he did it all for her, and he wants her to win. There won't be a dry eye in Amber's head.

That's like saying the sun will rise in the east. Doesn't matter what the Douchatos do or don't do, Amber's a-cryin'.

I am predicting a selfless "give it to my daughter" play from Dick, because a) it plays into the script he's got in his own head about how awesome a dad he is b) it plays into the script TPTB have written and are no doubt encouraging in the diary room and 3) deep down I think he knows that it's the only way many of the jury members could stomach the idea of voting for him after the unparalleled abuse he heaped on almost every single one of them.

I am SO counting on Jen keeping her media-interviews word and refusing to vote for Dick no matter who he's up against. I can't stand either D, but I just don't want this infantile bully to be even more rewarded.

Good grief. I really try to cut Dani some slack because of her age, but she really is annoying. Her dad helped her game throughout. She won key competitions, but she does not have the mental stamina needed for this game and she is too niave and stupid to know it. Yeah, she helped him too, but he could have gone far without her. She couldn't go far with him because they would have voted her out on her competitive prowess alone.

She is going to make Dick wish he never thought about being on BB with her. I agree with the posters who said he would probablly split the money with strings, but she will never split the money. Once that check is in her hot little hands, she is in the wind. Unfortunately for her, she will be broke in less than a year because she does not know what to do with it or how to make it last.

Wish they would have shown some Jury House stuff last night.
It was just the Donato Hour. Oh well, we will know tomorrow night who "wins" this season.

Technically, he is a "Rocker Dad!" because...um...he likes rock. I guess that makes me an Alternative Rock Computer Tech! (Cue my Ben Folds theme song!)

I think Daniele will win 4-3.

Zach will vote for Dick because he acknowledged that Dick's strategy worked and he has some respect for him from the 7 hour Bunny Hop competition. Eric will vote for Dick because he has to. Jessica will vote for Dick because she doesn't like Daniele since there's only room for one spoiled fake blonde princess in BB.

Jen votes for Daniele because Dick was horrible to her. Dustin has uncontrollable hate for Dick, and his lapdog Amber does whatever Dustin does. Jameka will vote for Daniele because she likes peace and serenity, and Dick was anything but peaceful and serene.

I'm looking forward to seeing the bittercakes. I think the level of bitterness will easily surpass the uber bitterness of Justin and his posse in BB4.

Would the jury hold it against Daniele if they knew she didn't meet the minimum age requirement?

From CBS.com's Big Brother application instruction page:



eta. Or did I miss the memo that she was recruited with different set of rules? Either way it still feels like favoritism.

Bitterer than BB4? Now that's must see tv! Neither of them deserbe a dime,but Dick should win.

I really hope that Jen votes for Daniele, because if she votes for ED, her potential future lawsuit (that I am personally going to be urging her to do), is kind of shot to hell.

I am brought back to Survivor 1, when we (the viewers) all thought that RH was such scum, but the players respected him for "playing". I will be interested to see if the jury gives ED a collective pass for being, well... an Evel Dick, because he "played" and sadly, his strategy worked.

I see Danielle as a girl: she is barely just 21. Her dad is a rock-n-roll bartender, yes? He has had some substance abuse in his past, I have no idea as to how severe, but one wonders how it might have inhibited his parenting. Her mother had kids with him. There two people do not sound the ideal people to be parents, IMO, so I really have to cut this girl some slack. Her whining in the clip is annoying, but can we all say we haven't been that person? Dick surely has had more time to grow up. My first year of college I dated a different guy every few weeks (granted I wasn't "gettin it on", but there is the lack of emotional compassion). I am not proud that I broke some hearts (actually I do feel kinda studly reliving this, lol) and I just feel I cannot judge Danielle on her personal life. Her arguments in the clip were valid (no credit for her wins, riding ED's coattails, only being judged on her personal life). I also do not see her as being that bad with him: she is being more annoying that just plain mean. Sure, she gets upset and plays the blame game with her dad, but that is again just some girl that is not fully mature and cannot take responsiblity to accept things she cannot change or see faults in herself. I am not so sure she was given these life lessons. I grew up with just my mom and she worked and went to school (queue violins, lol) so I did not get a lot of quality time. I raised myself in some ways. I would think Danielle is the same way: she is young in years, but WAY younger in that she might not have had goog guidance. I sure wish I had a relationship with my dad, I am sure I would be better for it (I would know something about cars for one).

Now she could have gone to private schools all her life and be totally spoiled, but from what I have seen, I feel for the girl. I hope she wins and someone can get her to buy a house and have some stability.

I hope that the HGs made it seem ED was gonna win so they could upset him in the only way they can - build him up so they can tear him down (granted Dani is the other option, but still...she is less likely to share winnings, IMO).

There's the difference - you at least recognize that that may not have been the best thing to do (however studly it may be). Daniele hasn't accepted responsibility for her actions so far (whining about how everyone was ganging up on her in the HOH room after she encouraged Richard's behavior, choosing to evict Nick and blaming it on going with the group, putting up Jen despite Jen not planning on getting rid of her or lying to her) and (I can't believe I'm saying this), but at least Dick was upfront about being a hateful jackass (so I believe). Refusing to accept responsibility for her actions is fine, but I don't think she should complain that they think she's ridden Richard's coattails because of that.

When Jen called her out on cheating, Daniele said Jen was wrong and didn't know what she was talking about. Daniele has referred to her "friendship" with Nick. Admit you cheated on your live-in boyfriend, skank. We all heard you and Nick making out. I didn't see you guys bringing Jell-O cups to bed with you, so after you told Nick, "I've been wanting to kiss you all day," I'll assume that's what the smacking sounds were.

But I don't know if I can fully agree, CoolKel. Is it better to know you're a complete asshole and still do it? Or is it less offensive when the asshole has deluded herself and hasn't acknowledged/accepted she sucks? Either way, the Donatos are both vile people. And for all of Dick claiming he knows he's an asshole, I don't really think he does. I think he thinks people deserve it or that it's funny. But he is wrong. It's vile and uncalled for and there is something seriously wrong with him. I hate them both completely. I think Daniele might still have time to fix herself. With Dick, he's already permanently broken.

I can't imagine how the jury will choose. But I think it's utter bullshit that apparently during questioning, they gave Daniele a hard time for being in Dick's shadow. Last time I checked, she won everything. They may not realize it, but Dick has been wrong about a great deal of things and Daniele generally steered his crazy mind back within the realm of reality. If Daniele hadn't won all her HOHs and POVs protected them he'd have been out even sooner than he was supposed to be, which was the week Dustin left.

Since I hate them both, I have to go on who played the better game. And to me, that is very clearly Daniele. Dick is convinced that, because he is sitting in the final two, he must've been right about everything. But I know for a fact that he was wrong most of the time. What really preserved them was HOHs and POVs, bottom line, and Daniele won more.

When I heard how the jury questions went I was thinking this might happen. It would add a bit of a twist to the finale.


Well, I’m with Jen, who is barely two years older than Dani, in saying that Dani has no morals. Dani knowing that Kris was engaged continued a relationship with him basically breaking up him and his fiancé. And two years later after living with Kris she dumps him on TV for someone she doesn't really know at all. I don't feel sorry for Kris because he knew he was engaged and I don't feel sorry for Nick or Daniele. There are all kinds of Karma Electra boomerangs flying in this soap opera of a family, IMO.

I think it's kind of a toss-up. I think there's a stronger argument that Daniele is a better competitor (based on her HOH and POV wins) but that she kind of sucks at the social aspect of the game, since she did in large part hide in her dad's shadow, encourage him to rage around and bash the other HGs, laugh when he did it, and then cry to the others that they were judging her based on her father's behavior and it wasn't fair and why were they punishing her for his actions? I think they'll hold it against her more that she basically set Dick on people, and then tried to play innocent than they will punish Dick for wel...living up to his name.

To be fair, I do think the two of them probably played the best games this season. They got some help from the AP stuff, to be sure, but they were at least always *playing*, unlike other players (basically all the girls). My gut feeling is that the jury goes 4-3 for Dick, and Daniele gets raked over the coals for her backstabbing and attitude. I have to say I am crazy looking forward to the jury speeches though.

It's a hard choice, or would be for me, if I set aside personal loathing and tried to look at how people played the game. Dick was the enforcer, and Daniele the challenge monster. Dick made some good strategic guesses, but he was usually wrong about the reason behind the guess. I think I'd go for Daniele, just because if she hadn't won the competitions she did, one of them would have been gone before now. ::sob:: However, I could see the jury feeling more played by Daniele (since Dick was so "honest" about being pond scum) and voting her down.

I think Dick played a worse social game. Throwing tea on people. Insulting their religion. Insulting their drug use. Calling them bad mothers. Screaming homophobic and sexist remarks. Calling people racist. Insulting their appearances. Threatening people. Torturing them constantly. Being an obnoxious winner and a sore loser. Yes, Daniele giggled and encouraged her dad, but I don't think the jurors saw much of that since she often did it privately within ear shot of the commotion. She generally tried very hard to be nice in goodbye videos (though she was so obviously insincere) and apologized profusely when she nominated people. Her dad was a smug douche in all his goodbye videos.


I disagree. I think "some help" from the AP thing is a huge understatement. The AP vote basically kept Dick in the game. That's huge. To me, that's like saying Amy on BB3 played one of the best games in the house because she made final three. No she didn't, she was evicted once already and was allowed back in. She had already lost once. Dick basically lost and was saved by producer interference. It is 100 percent Dick would have gone home otherwise. It is also likely that without his daughter winning her POVs and HOHs, he would've gone home sooner, I think. Dick had two unfair advantages: A 100 percent solid ally and the producer's finagling. No one else got that. Daniele, on the other hand, I believe would've done well regardless because she demonstrated strength at the competitions and a head for strategy. Therefore, I think she deserves the win. YMMV.

OK, so based on my time watching the feeds, and the few snippets I heard from the jurors about how they feel about the Donatos, and the things I've heard about the aftermath of the jury vote, I think Dick wins it in a landslide.

The thing about Dick is, aside from being a Dick, when he wasn't being a Dick, he was much more personable, and really got to know all of the jury members a lot more than Daniele did. I mean, obviously this is completely ridiculous, because for me, once someone yells at me the way Dick yelled at Dustin, Amber, Eric and Jameka (I don't include Jen, because I would be absolutely floored and unsettled if Jen voted for Dick) I'd never want to vote for them ever, ever, ever. But that man could really be charming when he wanted to be, and had a knack with these people of chalking up anything he said to 'strategy' and 'helping out his daughter' who he was 'estranged from'. Daniele? Was a bitch when things were going her way, and a bitch when things weren't going her way.

I think the jury questions showed - to Daniele, at least - that the jury seems to have bought into the whole "Dick was only a Dick to protect his daughter, who he loves more than anything". While Daniele did nothing but win a bunch of comps and be an entitled bitch. Many, many times the jury seems to go for the person who they think might have a 'good' angle, over the one that just won a bunch of stuff, but otherwise sucked. (Obviously I'm not stating this as fact, but just what I think the jury thinks. The Donatos both just suck).

As weird as it might sound, Dick played the better social game. I know! That's how horrible Daniele was. And on top of that, the jury seems to think she rode on her Dad's verbally abusive back (which, she did, so Yay! Jury).

I think Eric (AP), Jessica (Never really disliked Dick, which is the only thing I disliked about Jessica), Amber (really seemed to ream Daniele), Dustin (same), and Zach (respects Dick more, and hates Daniele more) will vote for Dick. I have no clue how Jameka will vote. I really, truly hope Jen will vote for the Bitch over the Abusive Bastard.

And, quite frankly, after thinking about it, I will be thrilled at that outcome. If Daniele wins, Dick will still think he won, and he got what he wanted, and he'll be gracious and celebrate it all, because he's just that delusional. If Dick wins, Daniele will be the bitchiest bitch who ever bitched, and won't let him enjoy it for a second, and he'll be So Sad, because he Loves his Daughter, and only wants to be her Dad, and they'll both be unhappy. And that will make me happy. So, for the pettiest reason imaginable, Go DICK!

I think you're right. I think this season should be called the Stockholm Syndrome Season. Dick bullied that group (with their own cooperation) so that they were grateful anytime he was halfway decent to them, and the whole "Caring Rocker Dad" bit was how rationalized that.