Here's the place to talk about the various relationships on the show: Married lawyer Nick and the three-times-married Karen; the politician and his wife (or his transsexual lover); the Reverend and his wife (or his lover, who has his lovechild); Nick and Lisa ... I could go on and on. But I'll let you.

I decided to move this from The Game: Episode Thread to here, since I realized as soon as I posted it that it is more about Patrick and Carmelita, and less about that particular episode. It's continuing the discussion that's started about Carmelita & Patrick's affair.


I do find Carmelita's position to be kind of annoying at this point. She willingly became involved with a high-profile man who she knew was married with children and in a public, obstensibly 'moral-high-ground', position (Attorney General). Then, she encouraged him to run for an even higher office. Then she complains that they always have to sneak around, and thinks its a wonderful idea that they step out of a limo and kiss in the middle of a NYC street?

While I can sympathize with someone being in love and wanting to have a full relationship with the object of their affection, this woman is not 16 or even 26. She should be mature enough to know what's what in this situation. And if she wants to continue to carry on this way, while also encouraging Patrick to remain in public life, she shouldn't be surprised that he's stressed and freaks out from time to time. If that's the relationship she wants, well, she pretty much better learn to deal with the press, and the paparazzi and the freak outs.

And everything I just said? That applies to Patrick, too. It's fine that he wants to be himself, and "just let himself go". But don't expect me to feel sorry for him when he has to hide from the press, console his wife and children (and/or pay them lots of money), move out of the Darling mansion, etc. You can't have it both ways. Once he leaves his wife, and owns up to his behaviour, then you can come talk to me. (I'm not advocating divorce, I'm just not a fan of people who feign lifetime commitment to someone and then sneak around - especially when they act all pissy and holier-than-thou.)

While Carmelita says she loves Patrick, and wants him to be happy and all that he can be, methinks she also enjoys living on the edge and the rush of risking exposure. She wouldn't mind being the public 'other woman'. That finally explains to me why she also showed up at the Darling mansion in the middle of his parents' anniversary party in the pilot.

Could Nick's mother have walked out on Dutch because of Tish? Or was that before he started working for the Darlings?

If I remember correctly, she and Dutch were having a fight about the Darlings in the first ep., so it could be the reason. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On another note, is anyone else having trouble wrapping their head around Tripp knowing about Tish and Dutch's affair and keeping quiet about it? Tripp seems to be a calm, cool man but he also seems to have a lot of pride in himself; I can't believe he would just let it go. I can understand the reasons why he didn't want to break up the marriage( the kids, the scandel, the divorce settlements) but why would he play oblivious? Just can't understand it myself.

Last night's episode made me think that Greg Berlanti may have a thing about secret affairs and illegitimate children. On both DSM and B&S a secret, long-term affair between two characters (Tish/Dutch; Holly/William) that resulted in an illegitimate child (Brian; Rebecca) are/were prominently featured. Additionally, the identity of said illegitimate child isn't revealed until years later. Complicating matters even more is the fact that one of the parties involved in the affair is no longer around to deal with the fall-out.

Hmmm....I wonder if GB has had any type of experience with this.