To continue the discussion from the locked thread.

Ah the joys of myspace. Kai's sister left this in the comments. She seems a bit pissed that the NBC lawyer monkeys are giving Kai a hard time...

This comment is for Amy and Marty, since I know you read my sisters page and are hiding behind NBC lawyers!....you know what..my sister defended you to no end when I read your trashy story in that rag mag...she said you were good people who fell in love..I let it go and she said that it was your business..but you made it everyone's business when you had your wife on the show and in that video and had a public proposal! Who the hell are you kidding??? Amy, people like you are the reason why Im left here with my 3 special needs children picking up the pieces of my life! Take your "too good for everyone" attitude and own up to the fact that you are a straight up tramp like any women who comes between a husband and a wife..no matter how shitty the marriage is..it isn't your right to be HIS excuse!

You go girl. Let her know how you really feel.

It was asked in the now-closed thread what Kai's connection to autism is....Her sister Bree is the mother of 2 children with autism and during the beach challenge, when Kai opened her care package and found her nephew's red car, I friggin lost it. We had just received my daughter Fiona's diagnosis of autism that week so to see something like that was not only moving but also very inspirational for me.

The same thing is happening at the NBC forum concerning the Marty/Amy whorefest. It appears that if you MENTION anything about Marty's wife it gets deleted. The big dogs at NBC wanted Marty and Amy to be the next Matt and Suzy but it just isn't happening.

I would think that Kai's being an irascible bitch has something to do with that as well.

I remember that now, thanks. All the best to you and Fiona.

Oh goodness, I'm not even going to get started on this.
Kai still sucks.

I think the person that was left with the three kids was Kai's sister. I am assuming her husband left her for another woman?

My opinion of Kai has gone up several notches since reading her blogs after the reunion show. I think it's incredibly gutsy of her to be taking on the network bullies by posting such a thinly veiled allegory.

Immediately after viewing the proposal, I wrote a formal complaint to NBC, knowing that it was a futile gesture but needing to get it off my chest anyway. My main issue is not the infidelity itself, but the sleazy cover-up in the name of "romance" and the brutal disregard for both the feelings of Marty's ex and the intelligence of the viewing public.

It's infuriating to know that NBC, instead of admitting a mistake, is strongarming Kai and deleting Marty-and-Amy-related posts from their messages boards. I'm ordinarily a defender of reality tv, but this whole business turns my stomach.

That's what I assume as well, but decided to bring the post back to Kai ;)

Am I the only one who was never really annoyed by Kai? I always liked her candor. Heather on the other hand...I wished she was voted off the first week of BL3 instead of Jen.

Post season, I have really grown to admire Kai for being so frank about her experience. I know this may get her in trouble with NBC, but man her stories make my work day go by! :)

I watched the marathon over the weekend and kept waiting to hate on her but I never did. I, too, enjoyed her candor. Aside from some initial whining, she seemed like a good sport, a good friend and the trainer obviously ended up really liking her. Perhaps I missed something, but I actually really liked her.

Kai annoyed me, but not horribly so, during the season. But any good feelings I had for her were lost after the Season Finale weigh-in show. The way she acted there was so over the top, I just couldn't even stand to look at her!

Kai annoyed the crap out of me the whole show. She struck me as one of those girls who hated being excluded by the "cool girls" in high school but then, when she found herself in a position of "power," for lack of a better word, she turned into a bitchy, clique-y bully. When she and that toad Heather were moving beds so that the at-homers wouldn't share with them—that was obnoxious and showed me what kind of person she was. Not someone I'd want to hang with.

She also has a quality that I can't stand (on TV and in life), but which some people appreciate: she seems to think that being a bitch is a desirable identity. I get the whole "embrace your power" thing that allows people to be fiercer, more assertive, and proud, especially heavy people who may have felt that they were always relegated to the background. But I found that Kai was so ungraceful about it. Be loud, be proud, be regal, be a diva if you want, but be kind! Dignity and humility are not mutually exclusive. She embarrassed herself at that finale. She's probably so majorly insecure that she doesn't know how to carry herself, so I feel some empathy for her, but it's not fun to watch.

That said, I pretty much agree with her on the Marty-Amy thing, and I appreciate her standing up for herself. I would LOVE to have known what was going on in that house! Insane!

I agree- that is something that Kai can't blame on "editing".

Very, very well said. She is an example of self-confidence gone horribly wrong!

I found Kai to be rather grating during her season, but she's on-point with the Amy/Marty stuff.

I was honestly unaware of the whole scandal until just now, reading this (and then going to the old thread as well). My sister and I watched the show but hadn't paid attention to anything that happened afterwards.

After the proposal, my sister turned to me and said, "I really could swear he was married!"

I shrugged and said, "I thought so too but obviously not." Of course, if he left his wife for Amy, I thought, NBC wouldn't be trumpeting this thing for fear of massive fallout.

I should've know better. Waaaay better. I mean, it's not Fox or anything but it is still NBC.

TWOP posters had their voices heard. Enough people made noise about Amy & Marty and: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/the-bigges...y-or-11061.aspx

Say what you want about Kai, the girl has brass balls.

From that article: Marty and Amy were asked to participate in the story. Amy emailed BuddyTV saying, "Thanks for allowing us the opportunity to respond to Kai's blog. However, we have made the decision not to comment publicly on this subject."

Blech. I really badly wanted a statement or some kind of explanation. Of course, Marty and Amy are probably under the same watchful eye as Kai.

And smart enough to keep their personal business, you know, personal. I didn't watch last year - but I just read her MySpace blog (found some article on the whole romance/affair "scandal" and that's the type of soap opera/dramatic shit that will suck me right in - I'm like two seconds away from trying to download all of last season) and you know, ballsy or not (and bitch is ballsy - I deal with NDO's at work every single day and just can't imagine totally giving one the finger via my MySpace page), this chick is either fucking crazy, stupid or some combination of the two. Seriously, reading her blog reminded me of all the crazy people I used to encounter on LiveJournal back in high school. Being the runner-up on a very popular reality television show might mean you don't publicize your life in a journal that the entire public can read, especially if you are trying to deny rumors that you are a crazy bitch. Wow - just, wow.

You'd be disappointed if you did- none of the romantic scandal stuff made in on air. Marty's wife is featured in his introduction as well as during an episode where loved ones come to visit. It seems very important to NBC to promote a squeaky clean image of the winner.

If Marty and Amy were so concerned about keeping their personal business personal, why the on air proposal? If they want their relationship to be publicly celebrated, they'll have to endure their relationship being publicly scrutinized.

Ditto! I thought Kai was pretty brave to give us all the behind the scenes scoop. She is well aware if she's going to put herself out there on national television, better put all her dirty laundry out there too. The mentions about Marty & Amy were simply her two-cents on the matter. Besides, she wasn't the first to mention publicly that Marty's relationship with Amy began as an affair.

I know many people on this forum don't care for her, but I admire the hell outta her!

Oh I have no problem with her coming out and saying it like it is -- I think that it is poor form and gives us insight into why she wasn't asked to the reunion and why she hasn't been able to find a job -- but I'm thrilled she's crazy/stupid enough to give us the dirt. I love the drama, I just think anyone who airs all that stuff out in the open has some issues. And I'm not saying Marty and Amy won't have to endure public scrutiny, nor am I defending how they got together (though to be frank, I really could care less - I mean, sucks for Ex-Mrs. Marty, I suppose - but I don't know her so I won't feign sympathy) -- I'm just saying that they appear smart enough to keep their mouths shut about shit that frankly, isn't the public's business and that even if asked the question outright, they are not obligated to answer. They were reality TV contestants, not political figures. I love the drama, as I said, but who fucking cares? Something like 60% of married men cheat on their wives (and I think the number for wives is 40% or something) - it's gross, but it's hardly novel. It's juicy because they met on some feel good show and Kai decided to blab some tidbits on her blog, but really - no one who isn't directly involved should care.

My only thought reading Kai's blog was, wow, this is both awesome AND horrifying. Awesome, because - come on - pure entertainment. Horrifying because part of me just wants to grab her and scream, "telling the entire world about your baby daddy drama and the affair of your former competitors does not make your 15 minutes last any longer or make you look anything other than crazy and dumb." The woman seems to have massive impulse issues (which was probably a contributing factor to her weight loss) and while that can equal entertaining voyeurism, it still comes across as messed up.

Wait, what baby-daddy drama? Did Kai have a baby?

TVfreak...I agree about the baby drama. I can understand feeling the need to vent, but putting it out there for all the world to see is crazy. She has an additional myspace page which she has set to private. Perhaps that blog entry belonged on that page! Although it was good reading. ;)

What Kai did was to set things straight. NBC was attempting to paint Amy and Marty as the "next" Matt and Suzy and that was just so wrong. The Matt/Suzy relationship appears to be the real thing yet the Marty/Amy relationship is just an adulterous affair. It's like pulling the stink off a turd. NBC should have used their brains for once.

The latest from Kai's myspace blog.
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There is an article in the NY Times today http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/fashion/18Loser.html

I am quoted in it and I really appreciate that, but mostly I appreciate the message- weight loss should be slow and steady guys!!!!

I have to say that there are pieces of the article that I have a really hard time with, I know that every contestant did not experience things they way I did, I think being final four may have affected some things, but I am hard pressed to remember "hair and make-up" and losing weight as being my only obligations. I was also wondering exactly when as a former contestant that I am going to be contacted by the doctors or psychiatrist the article refers to for my "regular checkups" I wonder exactly when those start? It also amazes that while stragers were "kept in check" when they tried to "buttonhole them about their weight" where was NBC and 3Ball when they threatened our lives, made attacks on us or belittled our families online at NBC.com? As most of you know losing weight is a very emotional process, add in the humilation of challenges like runnning a race on a horse track that begins in a horse stall with the bell going off like you are an animal and tell me how that might affect your weight loss program and mental health? So while we were busy being more entertainment than "watching paint dry" where was the psychiatrist I read about?

As far as losing weight slowly not being entertaining enough, let's look at things;

If for example, the time the show took from selection to final was 34 weeks and we were actually taught how to lose weight in a healthy way (and this way stood a better chance at keeping it off) lets look at what it would have looked like if contestants "only" lost .5 pounds a week, 1 pound a week, 2 pounds a week or even 3 pounds a week*******:

.5x34= 17 pounds

1x34= 34 pounds

2x34= 68 pounds

3x34= 102 pounds

yeah, I can see how that would be so unmotivating to the people at home. Wait didn't Pam lose 68 pounds?!?!?! Yeah, I am sure NONE of you are motivated by her.



These are just a few of things that I have a problem with in this whole thing. I am still writing chapters in my book (in between classes for grad school!), the working title is: "LOSER; Tales From the Ranch." If anyone knows a publisher let me know, I may vanity publish and pay for it myself if I have too!!!

Do not misunderstand me it's not that I have problem with the general principle behind TBL, losing weight and inspiring people to lose weight is a wonderful thing, but maybe we could put a little more reality in reality TV and motivate people to be healthy with what really happened!?!?!?!



*****Remember that I am talking about this in terms of an average guys!!!! A big week especially if you start off very heavy IS possible but so are weeks where you do not lose at all so that your body can adjust!