Also, I'm not sure how adding new topics has been handled in the past, but for now let's discuss ideas for new topics in this thread before opening a new thread (unless it's something obvious like a character thread).

Given all the deep philosophical theories about this show, another suggested thread could be called: "Deeper Than the Ocean: JFC Philosophy 101."

I locked the cookbook thread. Could you all let me know if it should be reopened? I don't know enough (yet!) to know if there's a burning desire for such a thread.

I haven't contributed to it yet but the cookbook thread seems like a good idea. It's smart, witty and pertains directly to the show. I don't understand the haste in shutting it down.

I'll reopen it.

Can we start a thread to discuss the cancellation?

My first idea was, "Mr Sobell Gets His Wish"

A JFC thread can be started in the Drama Subforums, TDee. Of course, it'll only be the one thread, but it's better than nothing!

Puds38 is right. Glark most likely will send it to PH, create a new thread, and post an announcement.

Also to Mr. Sobell for taking the lumps from some on the chin regarding the recaps. I'm sure it's a thankless job sometimes.

Thanks. 'preciate it. My reward is bringing laughter to dozens.

. . . .Some things about John From Cincinnati I liked, other things I did not. Oh the plus side of the ledger was the acting -- Brian Van Holt and Ed O'Neill in particular. The dialogue, as you might expect, from a Milch-helmed show, was lyrical, and certain imagery was truly breathtaking <snip> Part of the problem is that the themes of the show -- once you managed to wade through all the hoo-doo and mysticism -- were fairly ordinary. People feel better when they belong to part of a larger community. It is better to be part of some sort of family than not to be. We'd do a much better job understanding each other if we actually stopped and listened to what the other person was saying.

I don't much cotton to the notion that if you found the narrative approach of John From Cincinnati somewhat dense and unapproachable that the problem was somehow with you -- that you either have to appreciate every ambiguous utterance from John and company or you're a mouth-breathing simpleton who should just go back to watching the Full House <snip> I wouldn't exactly say that The Wire spoon-feeds its viewers, though advancers of the "if you don't like John From Cincinnati, you obviously hate challenging television" school of thought are arguing precisely that. That's a bullshit argument, quite honestly, and I'm glad I won't have to hear it anymore.

And I'm also glad that HBO gave us a season of John From Cincinnati, believe it or not. Yeah, it wasn't my cup of tea, but you don't wind up with memorable shows by playing it safe. Whatever darts I may toss John From Cincinnati's way, it certainly took some chances. That not every one paid off is almost beside the point.