I'm totally embarrassed to even start this thread, but if anyone's looking for good train-wreck TV, look no further.

This one-hour documentary premiered on June 24 on BBCAmerica and reruns this Sunday (15th) at 4 PM ET. It features a handful of men who are in "relationships" with their Real Dolls—life-size, $8,000 silicone-made mannequin women who have, uh, parts and stuff.

The star of the show was a guy named "Davecat" who lived with his parents (yeah, surprise, right?) and didn't much understand his father's disdain in regards to his relationship with his "girlfriend." And then there was the middle-aged fellow from England who owned several dolls he liked to photograph in real-life settings. This particular chap had his dead mother's bedroom set up as a living shrine to her memory. (Again, surprise.) My favorite was the man from Texas who owned countless Dolls and made them up to look like daytime hookers.

Here's the link to BBCAmerica's website. Watch and be very, very appalled.

I think I speak for everyone when I say EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course I'll be glued to BBC America tomorrow. This sounds too paralyzingly awful to miss! Thanks for the tip.

Oh, gawd. I heard part of this show (I was in the other room, and didn't stir myself to go change the channel,) and it's absolutely mind-boggling, in a wtf? sort of way. The guy who went wig shopping for his dolls? the guy who'd "like to have a real girlfriend someday"?

Heh. Yeah, that's the Texas guy who shopped for his doll posse at Value City or something and then went on to say that he spends money on the "good" wigs. And yet, expensive wigs and all, his doll dates still managed to look like nickel hookers.

Mind boggling, indeed. This show haunts me!

ETA: Oh, be on the lookout for the hillbilly guy who hasn't updated his look/wardrobe since 1988. SCARY!

OMG... horrified, horrified.

These guys need to seriously learn how to apply makeup. You cannot apply lipstick out of the tube like they were doing; you really need a brush. That's why it looked like crap. They go to all the trouble to maintain these things and they have crap makeup.

When the TX guy told his girlfriend that he uses the dolls once a week, Mr. purplemonkey said that translates to "every day". I love getting the opposite sex's opinion!

Was anyone really surprised by the postscript noting that the girlfriend had dumped the doll guy one week after his birthday party?

I could barely watch this show because those guys were so socially awkward and kind of sad in a disgusting way. The gnarliest part was when that Texan was cleaning out one of the doll's vagina with a scrub brush and he announced that it smelled like fish. So what's he saying because isn't he the only one that's been in there?

Oh dear god. The changing of the tongues and the making out. I thought I was going to hurl. I can't believe I watched this show.

How in the heck could that one long-haired dude walk around with the Tec-9? Why would he want to walk around with a Tec-9? He gave me serious Buffalo Bill vibes.

The repairman said that he used a couple of them - he didn't say that he owned any, though. So . . . he used dolls that belonged to his clients? Ew.



I know! And that wire brush had some serious gunk on it. This was also the dude that was showing off the real pubic hair that he bought for his dolls. Nothing but the best for the hobby that he has spent over $60,000 for - blech.

There's a Real Doll repair site out there with pictures of "surgeries" - some of those owners just mutilate these things. It's disturbing.

ETA: Salon had an article about owners a while back.

There were times when I honestly believed that if not for their dolls, these guys might be inclined to assemble their perfect woman from real body parts.

How in the HELL have I missed this show? I can't believe I've never even heard of it. As soon as I get home, I am going to check to see if I get BBCA. lol

Yup. Dude seemed destined to be pictured under the headline, "Local Man Opens Fire; Kills 9."

What freaked me out about him, aside from the weapon-fixation thing, was his complaint that he couldn't find a "real" woman because he was so ugly. Uh, sir? May I point you to other "stars" of this forum, including, Half-ton Man, the 750-lb. Man, the Half Woman, the Half Man, etc. They are (or were) all married. Granted, their spouses weren't Ford models, but they did find partnership with real, live, actual human beings.


So. Very. Gross. And I get the feeling, despite his protests otherwise, that he didn't want the companionship of a real person and that he was perfectly happy to have sex with his filthy, lint-covered dolls.

BWAH!!!

Lord, please let me go home tonight and find that I do in fact have BBCA on my dish. PLEASE!

I am an organic woman and proud of it!

Wow, wow, wtf, wow. Where to begin? When I saw the title for this show on the guide, I thought it would be about obsessive doll collectors and hoarders. Which in itself would be an interesting show. Boy, was I in for a surprise. After viewing 5 minutes, I hit record and kept this gem on the Tivo until I had my cousin over last night. Because a show of this magnitude cannot be viewed alone.

I feel sorry for Everard from England. He spent so much time with Mummy that he cannot relate to a woman his own age. Shades of Psycho there.

That dude in Virginia is creepy. Lots of weapons and a plastic woman. He complained about his looks. Every heard of a shower, shave and haircut?

Davecat? The pain of sending your dolly to the plastic surgeon via FedEx was so over the top. He couldn't even strap her in right. And he is either very weak or that doll is really heavy. He had to wheel her everywhere on the office chair.

That said, at least these men are satisfying their needs without any violence towards real women. For that we should be grateful.

BUT, that dude from Texas was messed up. I felt sorry for his dolls. Shoved into boxes and crates in the garage until they are needed. What did he claim? Once a week? Yeah, right.

The one doll he had put makeup on looked like a very cheap hooker (purple spandex top and tiny skirt.) I'm sorry, but that guy has a very warped view of women. That doll had to have the biggest boobs with the smallest waist I have never seen. Poor, Jody, she was never going to measure up to that doll. I don't care how "open" her mind was, it was not going to work. And take notice how the dolls at the party had the overly bleached hair and too tan body? LOL.

And let's not forget how we had to protect the dolls modesty and blur the sensitive areas.

While I don't get BBCA (darn) , reading the articles was an eye-opener. Here's a longer version of the Salon article that details how these are made. Also the RealDoll website and the Wikipedia article had information. Evidently the silicone is heavy and these weigh about 100lbs (think 4 large bags of cat litter) so it's a job to drag them around. Also the guy who powdered his once a month because they get sticky seemed unusually attentive. The company is hoping to have fleshier torsos (boobs excluded) if they can make the doll light enough, evidently that's a desired feature. And yeah, better they should beat these dolls up than real women. Some ripped up dolls that come into the repair place are in scary shape.

As long as these guys are humping chunks of plastic, they aren't breeding. Any son they'd have they would probably raise to be just as maladjusted as they are, and any daughter... shudder.

I can never understand the fear and resentment towards women in guys like this. How can you be scared of people who (on average) are smaller than you are? Is discovering that every woman on the planet has got a vadge just like mom that horrifying a revelation that some guys just never recover?

We should all be happy that these guys are whooping it up in the bedroom with their action figures, rather than prowling the bars in the hopes that I might want to lie there with no expression on my face while some weirdo takes a bottle brush to my pikachu. It probably smells like fish because Cletus D. Pervert lives on a diet of Pepsi and Long John Silver's.

When Jody started dating the guy from Texas, I knew that by the end of the show there was going to be an update saying that she left him. There is no way that she could have competed with those dolls. He only had dolls with huge breast and tiny waist.

Jody is a real middle aged women, with a real middle aged body. He had to have been compairing the dolls bodies to hers. He probably kept right on having sex with those dolls.

Oh, people, you don't even know.

The post is sadly lost to a server change gone awry that wiped out the archives, but I assure you that Davecat his own self showed up at Pandagon after that Salon article came out and was roundly criticized on that blog.

And it was creeptastic. For something like 700 comments.

Basically, these guys are the next step after the guys who decide that American women are too demanding and not subservient enough, and they're going to get themselves a foreign bride from a "traditional" culture, and won't that show those Ameriskanks! These are men for whom the perfect woman is a lifelike, yet utterly lifeless, simulacrum who has all the appropriate orifices but doesn't talk, or have ideas of her own, or, you know, moves or anything.

I always wonder how close to necrophilia those dudes have stepped...just to the line or perhaps over it?

It's my understanding that necrophiliacs like their orifices cold, whereas these guys prefer their silicone close to body temp.

Anyone watch The Soup? Their clip of the week on Friday 7/20 was from this show...and while I haven't watched this show, I feel that the clip summed it up pretty well. It was Davecat saying that his family/father had a problem with his relationship with the doll "because, you know, she's not...'real'." HAAAA! Creepy!!!!!

Does anyone know when this might rerun? My TIVO can't find it, damnit!

Good lord. I didn't know this show existed. Men in "relationships" with their doll. *shudder* The BBC has gone down the gutter lately.

Ew....................


Maybe we should send some of these dolls to the Duggars.


Ok, that was bad. Sorry. I'll go iron my hands.

I HATE myself for missing this! I've checked my BBCA listings, and my On Demand, and I can't find another showing! I live in the Seattle area - can anyone help me? I am totally desparate to see it (though not as desperate as the dudes in the show...)

I caught it by accident the other day. What can I say, it was raining and we were stuck in the house. Anyhoo, mr. shockermolar walks in looks at the tv, looks at me and says, "How is it that you ALWAYS find these shows?"

Just luck I guess.

Damn server!

Here's Davecat's blog which is NSFW if your employer frowns on nudie pictures of .... mannequins.

For those trying to find a rerun of this nightmare-you-can't-turn-away-from, BBCAmerica currently lists none and my TiFaux guide, currently listing until August 8, lists none either.

Well, you certainly speak for me!

For the first time I am glad I don't get a show on my cable service. Bleck.

I have no doubt in my mind that the men profiled in the BBC documentary are mentally ill. Davecat is a complete nutcase. I like how the Salon article mentions that he speaks with an affected British accent even though he lives in Detroit. The sad thing is that is the least of his problems. There are some sick, unhinged people in this world.

Just like Madonna!

This show was too creepy for me to watch all the way through. I stopped watching because I felt such sorrow for Davecat, in particular. I am not quite sure how you get so into this culture. Mentally ill seems like an inadequate description to me, it's like there needs to be some other trigger. Wouldn't you notice your kid was going down some weird path and try to right it?

For anyone who's sad about having missed this on cable, I believe it's viewable online on Google Video under the title "Guys and Dolls." Try this link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=37...h&plindex=0

or search for "guys and dolls". Enjoy!

I just found this whole concept--dolls, "idollators," and documentary, yesterday. My favorite part was where the girlfriend said something like, "He wanted someone open minded, and when he saw my nose stud he knew he'd found one." Honey, he's taking "open minded" to a whole new place your nose stud can't even imagine. Second favorite part, after she sees the girls sprawled on the sofa, complete with jaunty party hats and blowers: "I need a beer." She seemed quite nice and it was hardly a surprise she left him pronto.

Countchocula said:


See, only here could I find like-minded individuals who have not only heard of both the Duggars and $7000 love dolls, but can also draw the obvious connections between the two.

Bravo BBC: Cheers to those that shared an aspect of their lives with us

I have been waiting for a chat somewhere to start up over this show - not at all surprised by the comments posted here so far
- I found the broadcast intelligent -to have such an insight into the human psyche- Compelling the candor of those involved - and intesting how they dont seem to have problems telling us about such intimate details -

the guy from Texas - how matter of fact he was about his involvement - would be interested in his feelings of the ending relations with his lady friend

- a sense of security - speaks volumes for the climate of just what all is going in inside many -
or expensive masturbation as the one man called it - Desire and the reaction of those not at all involved
How interesting would it be if a company sold a Male doll - imagine the proportions those would come up with - would the woman be as candid over her choice's and behavior

we certainly are an interesting species -
many of us were raised on latex as a surrogate for the most basic of immature needs - the nipple - are that many of you really surprised


it really is a cold and lonely world out there -

cheers:

They do sell a male doll. They also sell a hermaphrodite doll.

Wow. Just...wow. Do we think this is for bisexual folks, or to be shared by a heterosexual couple so they don't need to buy two dolls?

Fetishists? The doll maker has described people asking for pregnant dolls, old dolls, hairy dolls, etc. I'm not sure looking for, erm, rational sexual drives here will be terribly successful. It seems a big part of the appeal is fulfilling impossible (and perhaps embarrassing?) fantasies. Given that "chicks with swords" (thanks Ask.com) pornography is not uncommon, I guess it is not an unusual fetish.

I was really disturbed by the guy who described women who have had sex as chewed meat. Nice. That may explain some of his difficulty with women.

I'd love for him to hear about what I think of men who fuck dolls.

This is begging for an SNL parody.

Say, now I finally know what to buy for the man who has it all.

Thanks, neatfoote, for posting that link. I don't get BBC America and I was curious to see this show.

My main thought through much of the show was how creepy this was. Especially the parts where they just showed a foot sticking out from under a pile of stuff, or the "awake face" of the doll laying on a table because she was currently wearing her "asleep face." I also kept wanting to correct these men - they all kept saying things about their dolls as if they were real people, and I was like, "No, she doesn't listen to you, because she's a doll."

It was really interesting how different each of the men profiled was. The British guy was really into models, and it seemed like his dolls were just another type of model for him. You could tell by the way he posed them and "displayed" them. The freaky guy with the guns was definitely the scariest - besides the guns, all the talk about how he never left his house and could do whatever he wanted in his home was worrisome. The man in Texas who briefly had a girlfriend was also a collector, I guess, considering he had eight (eight!) of the dolls. You could tell, though, that for him they were really just expensive toys and nothing more. Of all the men profiled, he definitely seemed the most "normal," though that's not saying much. Finally, poor Davecat. That's all I have to say about him.

You know, it's been my experience that there really is someone out there for everyone. I've known some big time weirdos in my life, and they've all found partners who make them happy. Maybe they don't end up getting married or anything, but at least they had someone. It's sort of a shame that these men have pretty much given up on live women. (Except for the gun guy. He can just stay home with his dolls, and away from other people.)

Howdy Folks :

Again - fascinated by the whole concept of male , female - hermaphrodite dolls - the thought of it all - more to the point , those who have DESIRE for a surrogate rubber companion - not just the sex aspect - how desire effects us
Was a bit troubled by the woman 's attitude who sells these dolls - how she spoke of Drawing the Line on the pubic hair issue - You are in the business of selling dolls with swapable tongues and Labia Majora

Funny - men and society have long accepted the issue that only one part of the male can be enough to sate a woman's desire - and she / or he can have it any size, color, vibrate , twirl , shock you - and be carried around in a handbag or a paper bag - even saw one in a university students kitchen drawer- i know plenty of woman that have no issue to speak quite confindently on this subject to the point of disrespect

Someone wants an AARP card carrier doll - or someone wants a pregnant doll- Desire overshadows group acceptance- the action speaks everything
Sex with dolls can be just another form of dress up with a most willing partner- single participant emotional social interaction- tangibility applied to imaginary friends

You can judge or observe without opinion - tough to do - no?

glad we got to hear from those in the supply /service point of view - how many people do you know would admit to rocking around with life size latex with no fear of the comments so common in our society
Again - Bravo BBC - doubt this country could produce something as intelligent - Though we do have SNL, Southpark , and the Simpsons

cheers:

Well, maybe men think that there's only one body part that does the job. Personally, I like lots of parts of men's bodies, but for better or worse, only one lends itself to molding in silicone.

But most women don't think of their vibrators or dildoes as people, or as substitutes for human companionship, or as something that loves them.

Exactly. Most women don't create fantasy lives for their sex toys. I doubt most women take their sex toys to watch them paraglide, for example, as shown in the documentary. These men have issues.

I think this: http://www.realdolldoctor.com/ and http://www.realdolldoctor.com/Repairsindex.htmis that real doctor surgeon mentioned upthread. Hey, did you know the first one they made is up for sale--and it's only 3 feet tall!

Edited to add: Until I saw the damage some of these dolls have, I wouldn't have thought I'd have found more skeevy than the fact that this guy sells used sex toys...

Now they have their own romantic comedy...
Lars and the Real Girl

I heard clips from this on Howard Stern a few weeks ago and read the long article but I have yet to see the awesomeness. (Curse you, Cablevision!) They need to release a DVD.

They had a cool article in the NY Times magazine recently on how they're working on emotive robots at MIT, like early versions of the ones in "I, Robot". I think the robot people and Real Doll manufacturers should get together and produce a full service android.

Sometimes, I'm happy that my youth has passed and I'll die before the entire world has gone insane.

In case anyone is interested, BBCAmerica is rerunning this show tonight at 10 p.m. and again at 1:00 a.m.