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MissMoneyBags
Because there was some interesting discussion on the HoYay thread (yes, you read that correctly, Chandra came up on the HoYay thread), I thought a character thread might be in order.

Here we can speculate: what was Chandra doing hanging out with Sylar in the months between "Six Months Ago" and "Genesis"? How much did he know about Sylar's killings? Why did Sylar kill him with such brutal, personal anger? Why did he REALLY push Mohinder away - genuine disinterest, or to protect him? And how did the Company know so much about his quest to cure Shanti, anyway?
ibroketuesday
The Company knew about Shanti, down to the exact virus she had and the fact that Chandra had been able to find a cure some months after her death. They definitely collaborated with him to an extent, which is why I'm hoping beyond hope that we get some flashbacks about Chandra in Generations. I think this man had a dark side we haven't been privy to, because we've viewed him only through subjective lenses (Mohinder and Sylar). One of the theories I floated in the HoYay thread had Chandra and Sylar parting ways months before the murder, and if this is true, I'd love to know what happened in the interim. For example, though it's never actually been said, I'm sure we know that Gabriel Gray was the only subject Chandra approached personally, studied in his apartment, etc. Perhaps, after it turned out Sylar was murderous and insane, if it had a disillusioning effect on Chandra? I certainly would have become more wary of initiating such close contact again - he must have acknowledged that his book would have likely drawn more crazy people who thought they had superpowers than those that actually did. Maybe Chandra struck up a deal with OWI that would have gained him access to theri captive Heroes. I think it would be chillingly awesome if he'd participated in their experimentation and torture.
MissMoneyBags
The Company knew about Shanti, down to the exact virus she had and the fact that Chandra had been able to find a cure some months after her death. They definitely collaborated with him to an extent, which is why I'm hoping beyond hope that we get some flashbacks about Chandra in Generations.


I totally agree. At this point it would shock me if Chandra hadn't worked with the Company in some regard - they just know too much about him, even given their super spying capacities. Also, it just never made sense to me that Chandra went to all this effort to keep Shanti's death a secret from Mohinder, but felt completely free to blab about it to Mr. Bennet in "Six Months Ago."

I also want some more flashbacks. Erick Avari is one of those Hey! It's that Guy! actors I always like seeing.

Perhaps, after it turned out Sylar was murderous and insane, if it had a disillusioning effect on Chandra?


Wow, I hadn't thought of it like that. That would make sense, and to add insult to injury, Chandra had allowed Sylar to see his list and get the names of more victims. Although it's a little interesting to me that anything could have a disillusioning effect on Chandra... he seemed to live up to his "heart of stone" mantra pretty well. I always viewed him as deeply emotionally stunted by the death of his child.
Sixthlight
I totally agree. At this point it would shock me if Chandra hadn't worked with the Company in some regard - they just know too much about him, even given their super spying capacities. Also, it just never made sense to me that Chandra went to all this effort to keep Shanti's death a secret from Mohinder, but felt completely free to blab about it to Mr. Bennet in "Six Months Ago."


OTOH, they did go through his apartment and take a whole lot of stuff in Genesis, so it's entirely possible that what they know, they know from the notes they took. They just didn't get the List, because it was in super-sekrit code. Which begs the question, if Sylar could get his hands on it so easily, why couldn't the OWI? Did they ask? If he was working with him, why wouldn't he give it to them? If he wasn't, how did they know so much, when the only contact we definitively saw him have with them was with HRG _as a private citizen and Claire's father_, a contact HRG apparently kept secret from everyone except his closest allies/employees?

If he was working for them and participating in secret experiment vivisections and whatnot, when did he stop? Did he stop? Did they have him killed?

You know, I totally thought Chandra's story was pretty much over, but there's just so much we don't know about what he was actually doing and how much he found out. E.g., he had this list for so long, and contacted only Claire that we know of - why didn't he try to contact Matt? Nathan? Hiro? In fact, how did the OWI know about Matt? The only sensible options are that Audrey's weird boss was working for them or that they got the list. (Which...hold on...that would explain why they went after Nathan.) Which implies they did have the preliminary version of the list, did Chandra give it to them, or did they steal it? Was the copy Mohinder found just a back-up copy, and a perfectly good paper one was among the stuff they took?

Okay, that's....a lot of questions. Any suggestions?

ETA:
Although it's a little interesting to me that anything could have a disillusioning effect on Chandra... he seemed to live up to his "heart of stone" mantra pretty well. I always viewed him as deeply emotionally stunted by the death of his child.


He seemed to make friends with Eden, though - at least, she appeared to be genuinely personally angry about his death and to take on the responsibility to kill Sylar as revenge for her friend. So he wasn't totally socially stunted...actually, she'd be about Shanti's age, wouldn't she - well, a few years younger, but not too much so. I wonder to what extent Chandra saw her as a daughter?
ibroketuesday
Also, it just never made sense to me that Chandra went to all this effort to keep Shanti's death a secret from Mohinder, but felt completely free to blab about it to Mr. Bennet in "Six Months Ago."


Which makes me think that either a) Chandra had just as many son issues as Mohinder had daddy ones, or b) his heart wasn't as cold as all that. I see Chandra as honestly caring for Mohinder, in however abstract or disconnected a sense, but unwilling/unable to let him get close, perhaps out of some perverse desire to protect him or atone for something. Mohinder, no matter how innocent he was of Shanti's demise, was conceived primarily as a cure for her disease, and so first and foremost, before he could walk or talk, he was a failure. I don't know if Chandra was aware he saw Mohinder like this, but I do think he knew he had some serious flaws as a father and, while accepting that while he would never be close to his son, he could at least protect him; which is why he distanced Mohinder from the research and never let him know the very reason he exists. I think Chandra was coldly analytical and so emotionally crippled he was unable (or afraid) to express what he felt in rational terms, but he was also a feeling individual. This is why he wouldn't tell Mohinder about Shanti and the virus, even though Mohinder could arguably be as or more useful than the Company in utilizing that information, but would tell Bennet; because Bennet would not be hurt by that information. Clumsy though it was, Chandra was honestly trying to do a good thing for the son he couldn't connect with.

Although it's a little interesting to me that anything could have a disillusioning effect on Chandra... he seemed to live up to his "heart of stone" mantra pretty well.


Chandra talked about his heart of stone and he's definitely been shown to be a very facts-oriented, logical person, in keeping with the role of scientist, but he must also have been deeply passionate, and considering the nature of his research, he would have had to have some very idealistic part of him, expressed through science. Remember, he thought of "evolution" and took the leap to "superpowers" when no one else did. I think in part this was due to Shanti (most likely) having an obvious ability, but at the same time, he went to a fantastic place and held strong to it. He wrote a book and moved across the world tracking these people down. Scientist or not, heart of stone or not, he didn't strictly look at disparate facts, he also imagined what those facts would amount to (like Gabriel and his watches, he very carefully took a bunch of insignificant parts and built something amazing), and he must have foreseen that his discoveries would change the world as we know it. Forget disillusionment, when Patient Zero crashed and burned and, for all intents and purposes, took the entire future down with him, Chandra must have been devastated. He could have taken two roads from that point, the first of which being to get back on his feet, contact someone else, and start again, but since he choose Door Number Two (never physically seek out a super again), I think something must have been irrevocably broken inside him by his failure - remember, the second time he's failed with a Hero, the first being his own daughter. This is why Chandra turning dark is such a fascinating, and almost inevitable, concept for me.

As an aside, "Shanti" means "hope."

They just didn't get the List, because it was in super-sekrit code. Which begs the question, if Sylar could get his hands on it so easily, why couldn't the OWI?


They did have the list, I think. After all, they told Mohinder they didn't need it, that it was the genetics they were interested in. They had the old list; what they were after was a new and improved way to find Heroes.

contacted only Claire that we know of


If he contacted Claire, I missed it. She did get her hands on his book, but that was courtesy of Zach, not Chandra himself.

Did they have him killed?


I love this theory, especially since it was never really confirmed that Sylar did the deed. If this is the case, it would go a way towards a) redeeming Sylar, b) casting light on the Company and Chandra's interactions with them, and c) screwing Mohinder over again. It would be the second time that poor boy was duped by someone who had a hand in his father's death.

Was the copy Mohinder found just a back-up copy, and a perfectly good paper one was among the stuff they took?


This is probable, and brings to me another interesting point: the Company knew about Chandra's death before Mohinder did. Not only that, but they knew the location of at least two of his apartments (he may have had other hidey-holes that he kept secret and were never found). They were already aware of his existence, his research, and his past, so either they were keeping tabs on him or he was actively working with them; either way, since they had the list and Bennet knew details about Shanti, one or the other had to have made contact.
MissMoneyBags
Which begs the question, if Sylar could get his hands on it so easily, why couldn't the OWI?


Perhaps that was Eden's purpose? Worm her way into Chandra's affections, as Sylar had done, and get the List? Although she could've just used her powers, so that really doesn't make sense.

Did they ask? If he was working with him, why wouldn't he give it to them?


My personal theory, and I freely admit I have nothing at all to base this on, is that might have worked for the Company, past tense, but later quit (perhaps de-motivated after Shanti's death?).
Neuri
As an aside, "Shanti" means "hope."


Actually, "Shanti" means peace. "Asha" means hope.
Forsquilis
I....can't believe he didn't already have a thread. Wow. I just had a couple of random non-particularly-illuminating thoughts:

I was under the impression that Sylar killed Chandra because Chandra didn't have any hard evidence that he'd murdered people but DID finally realize that Sylar was dispatching people on The List, and Sylar figured this out and killed him to prevent him giving even an anonymous tip to the police.

The thing I find most interesting about Chandra and Mohinder is that both of them obviously have reservations about this intensely off guy from the beginning, but both bottle them up because he offers them a glimpse of hope that Chandra's theories are correct. "You are your father's son..."
Roo2
I love this theory, especially since it was never really confirmed that Sylar did the deed. If this is the case, it would go a way towards a) redeeming Sylar, b) casting light on the Company and Chandra's interactions with them, and c) screwing Mohinder over again. It would be the second time that poor boy was duped by someone who had a hand in his father's death.


I've had some evil thoughts on that subject. What would be the absolute best way to totally screw poor Mohinder over and fuck with his head? Well, OWI wanted Chandra. OWI was headed by Linderman. Linderman could heal and raise the dead. So, since this is essentially a live-action comic book, and nobody's ever really dead in comic books, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Linderman resurrected Chandra and someone else was cremated and Chandra is working for OWI at some remote facility. Maybe he's doing it as penance for helping to create Sylar (and won't he be upset to find out that Mohinder and Sylar are a dysfunctional couple who enjoy a bit of road-tripping and homoerotic torture?) Running into Chandra would seriously screw with both Mohinder and Sylar.
Sixthlight
Perhaps that was Eden's purpose? Worm her way into Chandra's affections, as Sylar had done, and get the List? Although she could've just used her powers, so that really doesn't make sense.


I got the impression Eden's placement with Chandra was primarily a move by Bennet to keep the fact that Claire was manifesting/very likely to manifest from his superiors, and secondly (and to his superiors) a way of keeping tabs on Chandra. They had to have heard about the book, so Bennet wouldn't even have had to make up a reason for knowing about him. It's entirely possible that it was Eden who reported in his death and that she only pretended to Mohinder to not have heard about it.
ibroketuesday
Actually, "Shanti" means peace. "Asha" means hope.


Oops. Heh. That's what I get for posting stuff I wasn't sure about. Thank you.

The thing I find most interesting about Chandra and Mohinder is that both of them obviously have reservations about this intensely off guy from the beginning, but both bottle them up because he offers them a glimpse of hope that Chandra's theories are correct. "You are your father's son..."


Sylar as validation; I like it.

Also, I have no idea why I'm posting so much in this thread. Apparently I find Chandra interesting, or something.

it's not outside the realm of possibility that Linderman resurrected Chandra


Hate to rain on your parade, but it was confirmed in the comics that Linderman cannot raise the dead; his powers are limited to healing the living. Of course, I'm not sure how canonical or "official" the comics are, but there you go.
Sixthlight
I've had some evil thoughts on that subject. What would be the absolute best way to totally screw poor Mohinder over and fuck with his head? Well, OWI wanted Chandra. OWI was headed by Linderman. Linderman could heal and raise the dead. So, since this is essentially a live-action comic book, and nobody's ever really dead in comic books, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Linderman resurrected Chandra and someone else was cremated and Chandra is working for OWI at some remote facility. Maybe he's doing it as penance for helping to create Sylar (and won't he be upset to find out that Mohinder and Sylar are a dysfunctional couple who enjoy a bit of road-tripping and homoerotic torture?) Running into Chandra would seriously screw with both Mohinder and Sylar.


As much as I like this theory, Mohinder did ID the body, which would have been at least a couple of days after the death due to flight times...so we're relying on Linderman being able to raise three-day-old corpses. While this has mythological precedent, I find it unlikely. If true, however, it would be very interesting.

Also, I have no idea why I'm posting so much in this thread. Apparently I find Chandra interesting, or something.

Well, he's just responsible for so much of how Sylar and Mohinder turned out - to really understand how they got to where they are, we need to understand Chandra. And it turns out, when we think about it, there's a lot of unanswered questions about him.
Cookie Simone
If he contacted Claire, I missed it.

He didn't really contact her directly, but he called her house and spoke with Mr. Bennet on "Six Months Ago".
The thing I find most interesting about Chandra and Mohinder is that both of them obviously have reservations about this intensely off guy from the beginning, but both bottle them up because he offers them a glimpse of hope that Chandra's theories are correct.

Sylar as validation; I like it.

And it's sort of a mutual thing too. While they both relied on Sylar to validate their theories, Sylar relied on them just as much for validation of his own uniqueness. Chandra was the first person to tell Sylar that he was special, he was the answer to what he's been praying for ever since he was a kid, and is basically the reason Sylar even exists. And Mohinder was the first person to actually treat him like he was special, Chandra mostly just treated him like a lab rat, but as Sylar said to Mohinder in a few different scenes while he was pretending to be Zane: Mohinder gave him hope, he made him feel significant, like he was a part of something. I think Sylar needs that validation just as much (if not more) as they need to feel vindicated in their theories (Umm.. yes, I realize this is the Chandra thread and not the Sylar thread, but I somehow manage to turn every discussion into a Sylar discussion. It's a sickness, I can't help it).
Forsquilis
Umm.. yes, I realize this is the Chandra thread and not the Sylar thread, but I somehow manage to turn every discussion into a Sylar discussion.
Cookie, I think that's due to two reasons:
  1. I've made the argument before that this show is really all about Sylar, because if he had never been created, most of the action we see in the show would never have come to pass; and
  2. Sylar is really, really hot. In fact, he's so hot, I wouldn't be surprised if Chandra really did want to--OH MY GOD WHAT AM I SAYING?!?!
ibroketuesday
Cookie Simone, ITA; I've said the exact same thing before myself. It's just another aspect that makes Sylar's interactions with Mohinder that much more delicious (and part of what puts the awesome in the Road Trip of Awesome), and actually makes Chylar plausible. Oh my God, help me, what have we done?

I've made the argument before that this show is really all about Sylar, because if he had never been created, most of the action we see in the show would never have come to pass


Sylar is definitely the catalyst for just about everything (seriously, I dare you to give me an event that doesn't lead back to Sylar somehow). However, since Chandra essentially was the watershed event that caused Gabriel to create the Sylar persona, this also means that everything leads back to Chandra. This is like the classic tree in the forest scenario; these Heroes would have existed anyway, but if an individual not actively associated with them hadn't gone looking, would they ever really have been found? The Company seems just as intent as keeping the Heroes from the public as it is studying them, even executing those with flashier or more dangerous abilities (like they were planning to do to RadioacTed), and since the Company is intimately associated with/governed by the Old Guard (Linderman, the elder Petrellis and Nakamura, Charles Deveaux), we can assume that their goals are similar/the same. So in essence, there is a very powerful and wealthy secret organization finding, studying, and hiding these "specials" (and since not all abilities are highly noticeable, even to the extent where some, like Gabriel, were unaware they had them, I believe that a majority of Heroes are totally oblivious, and a good portion of the rest are in denial, or at least never intend to go public). I wonder, if Chandra hadn't toddled in with his research, finding specials on his own, interfering, screwing up the system, creating Sylar - would our story have ever happened?

Also, since Chandra's presence seemed to be tolerated by the Company when he simply knew about the existence of supers, and Mohinder hasn't been offed yet even though he's associated with them, I'm beginning to suspect he found out something else, something darker and more insidious. I think there is some plot along these lines for this reason: Sylar's original gift was intuitive aptitude, meaning he has an innate understanding of complex systems. He mentioned to various characters several times that he could "feel" the other Heroes out there, and his map was so much more detailed than Chandra's - it makes me think that that was another manifestation of his ability, that he's sensing the spiderweb of Heroes because it isn't totally random genetic mutation, which means it is a system, and that means someone (evil?) is manipulating this entire thing. And since Chandra seemed to have dropped off the independent research after Sylar, possibly for months before he was killed, I wonder if he found something important out - and that is why he's dead.
MissMoneyBags
I wonder to what extent Chandra saw [Eden] as a daughter?


Oh man, that is so sad and plausible. I think you're right. Additionally, Eden's own relationship with her parents was terrible, so it's possible she gravitated towards Chandra as a surrogate parent just as Sylar did.

I see Chandra as honestly caring for Mohinder, in however abstract or disconnected a sense, but unwilling/unable to let him get close, perhaps out of some perverse desire to protect him or atone for something.


Oh yes, that's absolutely what I meant. I think Chandra perhaps had a rational, intellectual idea of how a father should treat a son, and tried his best to live up to that. But I get the impression he was unable to put his heart completely into it for a variety of reasons... one, he was still reeling from Shanti's death. Two, to have an honest emotional relationship with Mohinder, Chandra might have had to come clean about the virus/antibodies situation. I can see where he might not have been willing to deal with that himself, privately, let alone with Mohinder.

this show is really all about Sylar, because if he had never been created, most of the action we see in the show would never have come to pass


Well, Linderman still would have been chugging ahead with his plot to blow up New York. If Chandra had been alive, you wonder how he might have impacted that storyline? Perhaps he would have contacted Peter, and helped him understand his powers.

Which, the idea of Chandra and Peter meeting is interesting, because it's doubtful they would have developed the surrogate father/son relationship Chandra seemed to develop with Sylar. I mean if Chandra thought Mohinder was too emotional, Peter would have driven him up the wall. Chandra really seemed thrilled that Gabriel Gray liked and understood his book so much - if only he had fully understood the nature of Gabriel's powers, I think they could have actually had a healthy and fulfilling mentor/student relationship. But not a HoYay one, please oh god no.
Roo2
And since Chandra seemed to have dropped off the independent research after Sylar, possibly for months before he was killed, I wonder if he found something important out - and that is why he's dead.


It's possible. IIRC, in the first episode Mohinder said his father had been worried that he was being followed, and that he thought someone was after his research. That doesn't sound like Sylar's style - he'd be more likely to threaten Chandra or to take it by force. Then again, we also know that Chandra lied to Mohinder. Mohinder said his father was close to finding the first of them, when in reality Chandra had met Patient Zero months ago. And probably Patient One (killed by Patient Zero), Patient Two (ditto), and Patient Three (which is when Chandra began to suspect there might be a pattern emerging, especially given that Gabriel had ditched the cardigans and was investing in hair products).

Admittedly this is all simply due to sloppy writing and stories being rewritten due to casting choices. But still, it leaves room for fanwanking. For example, maybe Chandra was close to finding someone who could stop Sylar (maybe Peter Petrelli). Or maybe he realized that there was more going on than he realized and he was tracking it to its source. There are also a few other intriguing possibilities. We never saw Sylar murder Chandra - Mohinder saw it in a dream. It could be he was being manipulated. And HRG got to India awfully fast after Chandra's death. Call me evil, but I'd love to find out that HRG killed Chandra, either to protect Claire or because he was ordered to. It would bring back the darker gray in HRG. And, you know, Mohinder would be like "Wait, I've passed by the opportunity for sex with Sylar for months and he didn't kill my father?!?!? OMGWTFBBQ!!!!"
Forsquilis
Which begs the question, if Sylar could get his hands on it so easily, why couldn't the OWI?
Sylar didn't get the whole list, though, did he? My impression was that he managed to get pieces of it from Chandra while they were associated, but that was it. For instance, in Parasite, he picks Isaac's name off the map to call and it sounds like he's never heard of him--the way he loses control at the thought of braaaaaains, you'd think he would have polished off all the local specials who he knew about before heading to L.A. or Texas. And at the beginning of that scene, he seems just as excited at the fact that he has the list in his hands, as he is concerned about Mohinder being able to figure out exactly how Chandra identifies the specials.

Sylar is definitely the catalyst for just about everything (seriously, I dare you to give me an event that doesn't lead back to Sylar somehow). However, since Chandra essentially was the watershed event that caused Gabriel to create the Sylar persona, this also means that everything leads back to Chandra.
Quite true. It's just that the character of Sylar fascinates me much more than that of Chandra. I find that I would like to know more about Chandra's background...but I don't actually want to see it in the show.

One thing that has bothered me is that when Mohinder is with Molly and sees the picture of his family taken shortly before his birth, he makes a comment that “this is the first time I've ever seen her [Shanti]”. I'd just like to know Chandra's motivation for never even showing Mohinder a picture of his dead sister. I'm not really a sentimental person, and I could understand grief making someone want to get rid of every single thing that reminds them of the departed...but Chandra never even showed Mohinder a picture of his dead sister?
ibroketuesday
Of course he didn't show Mohinder a picture of Shanti; he never told Mohinder she'd even existed. There's some worthwhile speculation about why he'd never divulged the secret earlier in this thread.
Forsquilis
Of course he didn't show Mohinder a picture of Shanti; he never told Mohinder she'd even existed.
OK, I'm getting my plots totally confused now. Sorry...
explodablefunk
Chandra's surrogate child relationships fascinate me, for some reason. I haven't watched the first few episodes for a while, so forgive me for asking, but did Eden ever mention discussing Chandra's research with him? Or did their relationship mostly consist of the surrogate father/daughter thing? I can't imagine him not discussing it with her, since, as was said, Sylar became like another son because of his interest in his research (and because he wasn't a "failure" like Mohinder).

Also, Eden seemed to take Claire's name off of the List "manually" (as opposed to simply persuading him, which can be left to fanwanking). I guess it also took a while for Eden to take Claire's name off, since Sylar found her on some copy of the List (or the map) and ended up going to Texas for her power. And when Eden took Claire's name and picture off of Chandra's map, would Eden have had to call in the Haitian to erase Chandra's memory of Claire being on the map? And of meeting Bennet? That must've hurt a little, since she was so attached to Papa Suresh by then.

Additionally, I wonder if Eden and Sylar ever bumped into each other, since Sylar visited Chandra so much? They didn't act as if they'd recognized each other in Homecoming and Fallout.
Roo2
Also, Eden seemed to take Claire's name off of the List "manually" (as opposed to simply persuading him, which can be left to fanwanking). I guess it also took a while for Eden to take Claire's name off, since Sylar found her on some copy of the List (or the map) and ended up going to Texas for her power.


I'm not sure he knew Claire's name. He knew there was a heroic cheerleader who pulled a guy out of a fire and wasn't hurt, and he knew Jackie's name. It's not a stretch for him to read about her and decide she had an ability that he could use.

I'd like to know more about Chandra's original list. I vaguely recall that Mohinder gave it to the police, who told him that most of the people on that list were either missing or dead (and I wonder if Gabriel Gray is considered missing). It makes me wonder just how many victims Sylar killed and what he got from them. Also, how long did it take for Chandra to figure out the connection?
Albion19
Additionally, I wonder if Eden and Sylar ever bumped into each other, since Sylar visited Chandra so much? They didn't act as if they'd recognized each other in Homecoming and Fallout


Actually I think they did. In Fallout Sylar says "I do know you, don't I?" And she answers that she lived next door to Chandra. She was the "Girl next door."

Slightly back on topic I love the idea of Chandra being a surrogate father figure to Sylar & Eden, but he wasn't really one to Mohinder.
Forsquilis
I had some bossus interruptus while writing this post and Albion19 beat me to it, but since I spent time looking it up, I'm gonna post it anyway...
Additionally, I wonder if Eden and Sylar ever bumped into each other, since Sylar visited Chandra so much? They didn't act as if they'd recognized each other in Homecoming and Fallout.
I started to answer this, got paranoid that I was misremembering, and double-checked it in the Heroes transcripts at Shadow Anthology:

SYLAR: I do know you, don't I?
(Eden takes out a gun.)
EDEN: I live next door to Chandra Suresh.
(Sylar smiles.)
SYLAR: That wonderful ability. The power of persuasion, and this whole time, you were the girl next door.

So I'm guessing that they weren't exactly on speaking terms, but did at least pass each other in the hall sometimes.

Chandra's surrogate child relationships fascinate me, for some reason.
I hadn't thought about it before this thread was started, but I'm getting interested in it too. He's distant from his own son in many ways, but yet has two other adults his son's age who are both attempting to manipulate him but who both end up profoundly affected by him and his actions. I'm really starting to wish I knew Chandra's take on his relationship with Eden and Gabriel/Sylar. Though considering how she seemed to have a real affection for him, it would make me sad if I learned that he just thought of her as "a decent neighbor who can feed my lizard when I have to travel to meet with potential subjects, since Mr. Gray always seems to have plans to leave town at the same time I do".
MissMoneyBags
it would make me sad if I learned that he just thought of her as "a decent neighbor who can feed my lizard when I have to travel to meet with potential subjects, since Mr. Gray always seems to have plans to leave town at the same time I do".


LMAO!!!

Slightly back on topic I love the idea of Chandra being a surrogate father figure to Sylar & Eden, but he wasn't really one to Mohinder.


Yeah, talk about Daddy issues. Complete strangers get your father's love and affection, and you get... a lizard named after you. But that does make sense psychologically - it's a lot easier to forge a good relationship with someone when you're starting from a blank slate. Whereas Mohinder would always unwittingly be a reminder of his sister's death.

Now I really want to go back and rewatch some of these early episodes. Because not only was the "scientist" role re-tooled for Sendhil Ramamurthy, but also, I think the character of Sylar was undergoing some changes as well. Wasn't there a Tim Kring interview where they said they originally had plans to make Sylar an older ex-altar boy (hence the "FORGIVE ME" room), but then they went younger when ZQ was cast, and eventually settled on the characterization we've now gotten? I say all this because the idea of Chandra being killed by a former subject, named Gabriel of all things, who is potentially operating under extreme religious delusions, has some awesome Paradise Lost undertones.
explodablefunk
Actually I think they did. In Fallout Sylar says "I do know you, don't I?" And she answers that she lived next door to Chandra. She was the "Girl next door."

Ah, I remember that now. Thanks much, Albion19 and Forsquilis.

But that does make sense psychologically - it's a lot easier to forge a good relationship with someone when you're starting from a blank slate. Whereas Mohinder would always unwittingly be a reminder of his sister's death.

I looked at the transcript for Six Months Ago from the link Forsquilis posted, and I noticed something interesting while Chandra was talking to Bennet:

MR. BENNET: She's growing up so quickly now. I couldn't do anything to stop it.
(Chandra chuckles and puts a hand on Mr. Bennet’s shoulder.)
CHANDRA SURESH: You cannot, try as you might.

Chandra's kind of relating to Bennet, and since he never witnessed Eden and Sylar growing up, that can only mean he's thinking about Mohinder (and maybe Shanti, although she only only lived to be five). Even though Mohinder reminds Chandra of Shanti's death, raising him was still a very fulfilling (although angsty) experience for Chandra. He's developed some pride in Mohinder, but I think his grief may inhibit his expression of this.
ibroketuesday
That's a very good point, explodablefunk, and I'd say that he cannot be talking about Shanti, because you said he "chuckled." No, he definitely loves Mohinder, and now that Mohizard has been brought up, I also think it's very telling that he named his pet after his son. Whether or not he could express it, he had deep feelings for Mo, which makes his constant rejections of him so much more heartbreaking. You know, he didn't make more than a passing impression on me when he was actually onscreen and we were following his storyline, but now that we're talking about him, I find this guy really fascinating. I wonder if the Mohinder-in-India episodes will become more tolerable after this?
MissMoneyBags
He's developed some pride in Mohinder, but I think his grief may inhibit his expression of this.


I think you are right. There's also that photo that surfaced in the first couple of episodes, of both of them on Mohinder's graduation day.
Forsquilis
I don't think this was posted already in this thread...I stumbled across a piece of fanfic that fits in with some of the speculation about Chandra Suresh. After the events of How To Stop An Exploding Man, Mohinder discovers hidden files that shed an entirely different light on his father's interactions with Gabriel Gray. (Don't worry...it's not going to the Chylar place.)
Albion19
I've got a question, so if anyone can help please do. Chandra knew that Sylar was killing people, in the phone call between them he calls him a "murderer." My question is did Chandra ever go to the police? I don't think he did, and I can't figure out why he wouldn't.

I can't remember if this was explained on the show or not.
Sixthlight
I've got a question, so if anyone can help please do. Chandra knew that Sylar was killing people, in the phone call between them he calls him a "murderer." My question is did Chandra ever go to the police? I don't think he did, and I can't figure out why he wouldn't.

I can't remember if this was explained on the show or not.


It's never explained on the show. We have no idea how long the gap was between Chandra finding out about the killings and Sylar killing him, so we can't really figure out his motive - and the possibility remains that he did go to the police but was turned away, or that he was the catalyst for the FBI investigation (after all, how did they find out the name Sylar?)

Then, of course, you get into the issue of how long Chandra knew about the killings and whether he sublimated or ignored his knowledge of them in order to continue studying Gabriel/Sylar, and it all gets a bit messy. We just don't know enough about their interactions to do anything but speculate.
Roo2
We have no idea how long the gap was between Chandra finding out about the killings and Sylar killing him, so we can't really figure out his motive - and the possibility remains that he did go to the police but was turned away, or that he was the catalyst for the FBI investigation (after all, how did they find out the name Sylar?)

Actually, they said in one episode that one of the victims was found barely alive, and he said the name Sylar before he died. Audrey was apparently the only one who believed that was the name of the killer - the agent she was working with in episode 2 said there was no such person and it was meaningless. So apparently Audrey is playing Spooky Mulder in this case.

This leaves the question of why Sylar introduced himself. Maybe the victim recognized the watch and was trying to tell the cops that his/her killer wore a rare watch. I just don't see Sylar introducing himself to his victims like that.

Bringing it back on topic, it's possible that Sylar killed Chandra because Chandra threatened to report him to the police. Always a stupid move, threatening a serial killer. You inform the authorities, wait for them to set up a sting and wire you up, then you tell the homicidal maniac that you're ratting them out.
Albion19
Thank you both! Hmmm, it does leave you pondering...
Cookie Simone
This leaves the question of why Sylar introduced himself. Maybe the victim recognized the watch and was trying to tell the cops that his/her killer wore a rare watch. I just don't see Sylar introducing himself to his victims like that.

He introduced himself as Sylar to both Brian Davis, and Sandra Bennet, so I don't see why not. It isn't his real name so he's not really risking anything by telling it to his victims.
GreenPhoenix
it's possible that Sylar killed Chandra because Chandra threatened to report him to the police. Always a stupid move, threatening a serial killer. You inform the authorities, wait for them to set up a sting and wire you up, then you tell the homicidal maniac that you're ratting them out.

I wouldn't be surprised if the catalyst was just Chandra ignoring Sylar. According to the answering machine message that Mohinder heard, Chandra was trying to cut Sylar out of his life, and Sylar was already trying to provoke him.
Forsquilis
My question is did Chandra ever go to the police? I don't think he did, and I can't figure out why he wouldn't.
Also, even if Chandra was certain that Sylar was killing people, if he didn't have any hard evidence to give to the police, that might have held him back from going to them. You can't tell the cops, "Of course there aren't any fingerprints--he used telekinesis to open the door!" Well, you could, but that sort of thing tends to get you either ignored or locked up as a psycho yourself.
MissMoneyBags
I wouldn't be surprised if the catalyst was just Chandra ignoring Sylar. According to the answering machine message that Mohinder heard, Chandra was trying to cut Sylar out of his life, and Sylar was already trying to provoke him.


Hmm, yeah. Chandra does seem like the type to pull the "ignore and hope it goes away" move. There may also have been a healthy dose of guilt and denial going on. To admit what Sylar was might have meant Chandra would have to face his own involvement in what he became.

ETA: And now it's hilarious to see Erick Avari in The Mummy, which was just on TV the other day. He has yet another extremely hot son-type-figure (Oded Fehr), and in his last scene he goes inexplicably apeshit on a crowd of Imhotep's zombies, which promptly crushes him to death. Aw, see, who says Chandra couldn't go out fighting.
GhaimehBadenjun
Bumping because, as Azalea pointed out on the Mohinder thread - why can't anybody pronounce this poor guy's name?! It's four syllables and all the sounds exist in English.
GhaimehBadenjun
I just want to announce that I am officially shipping Chandra/Nana Dawson in order to come up with the portmanteau ChaNaNa.
ibroketuesday
Chanana! Excellent. I, personally, ship Cheveryone.
GhaimehBadenjun
I, personally, ship Cheveryone.


Heh. Are YOU on the list?
Roo2
So does this mean that Chandra/Bob = Chob?

Oddly enough, I can actually kind of see this working. Not that I want to actually see it.

Nevermind. Brain bleach, please!
GhaimehBadenjun
Chandra/Bob = Bobra? Bobra Wawa?
Maleficient
Maury/Chandra? That'd fuck Matt and Mo right up.
ibroketuesday
I am totally in support of Maury/Chandra. Maundra. Chandry. The only thing better than this is Chylar... or Changela. OMG.

Though, I'm currently seeing some evidence of Chaya in canon. You notice the way Maya strokes the picture on the back of the book?
GhaimehBadenjun
I love that easily 45% of the Chandra thread is about his extremely busy sex life. I don't even think Mohinder's thread has that ratio.
Maleficient
Chandra pairings are the new lolcats- they're damaging and they make you a little stupid, but they're enjoyable nonetheless.

The only thing better than this is Chylar... or Changela.
Or Chaito. Or Chaitongela. Er, Changelaito. Whatever- it doesn't have a good name, but it's crazy creepy.
Grimoire
I love that easily 45% of the Chandra thread is about his extremely busy sex life. I don't even think Mohinder's thread has that ratio.


Wow. And LOL. I don't know how this started but it amuses me.
just watching
Maury/Chandra? That'd fuck Matt and Mo right up.

Eww. I think Molly is burdened enough as it is.
Camdevil
I'm surprised with all the Cheveryone that we haven't seen any mention of ships like Cheden or Chennett. Yes, I went there. So sorry.
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