Any speculations about the implied "Golden Age" team? So far we have (I'm picking code-names here; they come from nowhere except my own imagination) The Physician (Mr. Linderman), The Dreamer (Mr. Devereaux), The Samurai (Mr. Nakamura - did he do something else, and supplement his power with swordsmanship?), and (based on other speculation) The Jumper (Mrs. Petrelli). Apparently Mr. Petrelli was also involved, but I have seen no speculations about his power.

If I remember correctly, Mr. Linderman recalls their adventures fondly.

Any ideas? It seems they operated in secret, not flying around in gaudy costumes, but manipulating and adventuring in the shadows.

I think this thread PROBABLY belongs in the character forum, you may want to move it. Though I'm not exactly sure, but that's what it sounds more like.

...or the spoilers section, since I'd never heard that Mama Petrelli had a power.

She implied that she did when she was talking to her sons.

If it makes you feel any better, that was never definitively spoiled anywhere.

Mrs. Petrelli never mentions to have powers, and nobody else do, but what we know is that she was part of the Golden Age Team and I guess she met her husband there, so I'm pretty sure she has been hidding something. And also, both her sons have powers... so lets wait and see what she can do.

I think it's implied that Angela has power when Claire said "So you're like me?"

According to the comic, the Petrellis were already married and Nathan was already born before Petrelli met Linderman.

Linderman pretty much outright stated that Papa Petrelli had powers in Landslide. Which seems to imply that if two powered people have children, those children will _always_ be powered, but if a powered person has a kid with a non-powered person, there's a chance they won't be powered - e.g. the Petrellis vs. the Nakamuras, although, admittedly, we have no clear evidence as to whether Kaito Nakamura has a power, whether Kimiko doesn't, and we don't know anything about Mrs. Nakamura. Or Mrs. Linderman, come to that - wasn't he wearing a wedding ring? And Simone had to have had a mother. Presumably she's dead, or we would have seen her around when Mr. Deveaux was dying, but what happened to her?

Also, Matt has his son hidden from Homeland Security in 5YG, so it's implied that he has a power or at least will manifest in the future.

So what was Blanche's power? An indestructible vagina?

(It's Deveaux. Sorry, I make my own fun.)

I wonder if Ma Petrelli's power has something to do with her creepy fingernails.

::snerk:: Doesn't mean no one else finds it fun, Maleficient.

There's been several vague statements that can be interpreted either way, but until there's something explicit, I think it's safe to assume that the Petrelli parents have no special powers. And if we are going to use information from the online comics, Pa Petrelli definitely has no powers. Also it's possible that 2 "normal" parents can have a "powered" child.

What intrigues me about the "Golden Age team" are their shadowy motives. What are they trying to change the world into? What other people and events have they influenced? It looks like they'll delve into past generations of heroes next season, and I'm looking forward to it.

Linderman said Petrelli had powers, and from Angela's conversation with Claire it seems very clear that she has powers as well. I found neither of these situations particularly vague, they simply didn't say what these powers were.




See, I don't find that clear at all. Just because we apparently don't see him use any powers does not mean he has none, it just means he does not have something that manifests physically. He doesn't hear thoughts, he can't self-heal, he presumably can't fly, and he can't create fire or radioactivity. There is still the possibility that he can do something less physical, like Micah, or Hana, or Sylar. Besides, a lot of people have interpreted the fact that he does have an awful lot of luck in the comic to mean that he can affect probabilities - and that really would be a power that you could easily ignore.

There is also the fact that Linderman came back to him and agreed to work with him, and I don't think that was because he liked him so much.

That's true for not only others, but Papa Petrelli himself. He might have just thought of himself as lucky. There must be a lot of people out there with powers without realizing it. Marvel Comics had a character who could change the colors of flowers, I believe. If such a person never bothered to touch one, s/he would never know about it.

I'd like to know what are the exact quotes that you're basing this on, because I didn't recall anything that showed "very clearly" that the Petrelli parents have special powers.

From the recaps:

Linderman said to Nathan that Papa Petrelli was "someone of great power", but weak. Which led to Nathan proclaiming his father as his hero. Regarding powers, it's just vague enough to go either way.

In the Claire/Mama conversation, Mama reveals that she knows about Claire's powers, and those of Peter and Nathan. Claire then asks if Mama's "like [her]". Mama ignores the question. Again, could go either way.

I'd say the same that made you say "it's safe to assume" that they don't have powers. I interpreted the lines SVNBob quoted above in connection with the War Buddies comic, and the fact that the Petrellis seemed very deeply involved in the group of first(?) generation heroes, as well as the genetic component of the powers to mean that the Petrellis both were powered. I also think that Kaito Nakamura is powered, but would put that down as an assumption rather than anything else, because we don't seem to have much evidence for that other than that he seems to have been in the Elderly Heroes Club as well, and seemed to know that something bad was going to happen.

I've always disliked the Linderman/Petrelli family coincidences the comic implies, Papa Petrelli's being freaked out by Linderman, and then the implication that not only did he have his own powers, but also happens to be married to someone who does. (At least, as implied by the show.) I think I can live with it if Papa P. doesn't have powers, and it turns out that Linderman was really there recruiting Mama P., bringing his old army colleague along for the ride.

That being said, I find myself wondering if there's not an "activator" out there somewhere, someone like Synergy in the old Stormwatch comics, who could induce powers in certain individuals. Might tie up a few of the coincidences,

Another thing that's interesting about the older generation, is that even though they have connections to each other, and (seems like they) used to work together, now they seem to be working against each other. (More indirectly, though)

For example, Ma Petrelli and Linderman want the bomb to go off, but K. Nakamura is helping Hiro to stop Sylar(who they think is the bomb). Also Thompson and "Primatech" want Claire (to study her?), but Ma Petrelli is keeping her away from them. (Of course because she's her granddaughter, but why didn't she let them know that?)

Maybe not so indirectly. Linderman's speech to Nathan, wherein he says his former colleagues lost their way, and started using their powers for their own ends, mirrors Not!Sulu's to Hiro. It's obvious the split was decisive, with each thinking the other was corrupt. In fact, I wonder if the foreknowledge of the "bomb" was what split them, with Not!Shaft (believing the bomb can and would be stopped) and Not!Sulu (actively wanting to stop the bomb) on one side, Linderman and Mama Petrelli on the other. Mama Petrelli and Not!Shaft were obviously on good personal terms, but they had basically come to the belief that the other could not be disuaded.

Addenda. After the comic, I really had a vision of Papa Petrelli as sort of a proto-HRG, taking care of business for Linderman. I think I still prefer that mental picture of him.

Ah, I forgot about that Linderman talk with Nathan; true.

All I know is, I'm going to lose my mind if we don't find out Papa Petrelli's first name before long - maybe him and the Haitian have the same name, or something.

So, we know that there were 12, and now 4 are down.

Linderman - dead
Charles Deveaux - dead
Kaito Nakamura - dead(Hopefully not)
Pa Petrelli - Dead
Ma Petrelli - on the list
+7 others

Well, whose parents are left? This volume is "Generations" after all. Maybe Niki's father, and Nichelle Nichols is supposed to show up as DL's aunt (?) at some point.

And how about this;

I looked at my Season 1 DVD, and there's 11 people on the cover:

Mohinder, Niki/Jessica, DL, Micah, Claire, HRG, Peter, Nathan, Hiro, Matt, and Issac. Add Sylar, and it's 12 again this time around.

Mohinder's Dad is dead though and it doesn't look like the powers came from his mother's side.

Niki/Jessica's Dad is also dead and we have no idea about DL's family yet.

We can't count Claire or Micah because they're too young, plus we already know their parents have powers. We have absolutely no idea about HRG's parents or his past yet.

For Peter and Nathan, it looks like they had powers on both sides as Angela has some sort of power and their Dad had a power.

Hiro's father has also been identified as one of this inner circle or whatever.

I don't think they're going to delve into Matt or Isaac's past honestly, but I suppose one of their parents could have had powers, but then again, that doesn't mean they would have been powerful enough to be part of this group though.

We know that Sylar's mother is dead, but she didn't seem to have powers and we know nothing about his father.

I think the rest of this 'Generations' group (that's alive) are going to be the parents of heroes that we haven't met yet. The only exception maybe one of HRG's parents, considering he was recruited into The Company at an early age.

Niki's father is dead? Are you sure. Wasn't he in an episode last season, he bought Micah the computer etc and Jessica roughed him up at the end. I don't think she killed him did she?

And didn't Niki take Micah to visit DL's mother early on in season 1, before DL showed up.

Did she just rough him up? I thought Niki/Jessica killed him?

She merely roughed him up before sticking the check in his mouth.

I have a feeling that D.L.'s family will play a role. We've met his mother, now we'll meet his aunt and cousin.

I also think that Angela normally helps the Company, but doesn't want Claire in their hands, nor does she want them to know of the connection between her and Claire. The Haitian is her agent - he kept Claire safe, and took her away when it became necessary.

I also have doubts about Nikki's father being one of the 12. From our admittedly brief glimpse of him, he doesn't strike me as someone who's ever been on the inside of anything, let alone a global conspiracy with the likes of Mama Petrelli and Not!Sulu.

This morning the Sword saint series posted the last chapter and revealed Linderman's first name. How do you like Daniel Linderman?

I highly doubt that DL's relatives would be part of the Golden Age Team, or at least I would have doubted that last season. It wouldn't make sense to have them play a major role this season after they made such sparing appearances last season. Last season, they were used mainly as plot devices. In my opinion, they existed just to show how "evil" Linderman was, and later how much he controlled and how much of the bomb plotline was pre-planned. I don't know where they're going with them this season, but I'd be surprised if it was anything more major than they did last year. I'm hoping the appearance of DL's aunt is just a red herring.

Also, I highly highly doubt Niki/Jessica's dad would have been part of the team either, for reasons previously mentioned (as well as much of the same reasons I said above).

Has anyone listed Thompson as a potential member?

I doubt it since he seemed to be one ring above Mr. Bennett and I don't think the big 12 do any leg work, they have people do it for them. Also, his age doesn't fit. And he's dead. Kaito said their were 9 left, including he and Angela. Charles, Mr. Petrelli and Linderman: dead. I think I have that right. We are looking for parents and people in the age group of 60's to 70's, and who have money. The 12 Houses of Heroes (I'm trying to get that to catch on. :)) I'd guess would have to be people of weath and power and enfluence. I think the rest of them we haven't met yet and that will be part of the great mystery this volume as that picture gets put back together piece by piece.

Can we fix this thread title so it says "Deveaux" (which is the proper name) instead of Devereaux? Pretty please?

I don't know why I think this, but I could have sworn Linderman's first name was Robert.

Here are two screencaps of the picture.

So now that we have a clear photo, is that Uhura on the bottom left? I'm notoriously bad at recognizing people through age gaps.

It would be funny to change the thread name to "Linderman, Petrelli, Deveaux, Nakamura...Bob!" because I thought it was hilarious how Nathan couldn't remember Bob's last name.

Thanks for the caps, but I don't think that's Nichelle Nichols. She's 74, and while a lot of the pic looks like a bad Photoshop job, it doesn't really resemble her now or a couple of years ago (bottom gallery), as opposed to George Takei.

That really was just a completely normal and believable moment, wasn't it?

I imagine we're going to learn the identity of everyone in the photo eventually, but I can't help but wonder if every lead character except for Mohinder is tied into them directly.

I made as close to "close ups" as I could for each of the people in the picture of the Originals...

1. Angela Petrelli 2. Papa Petrelli 3. Daniel Linderman 4. Kaito Nakamura 5. Bob 6. Papa Parkman 7. Charles Deveaux 8. Mystery White-Haired Man (seated) 9. Mystery Blonde Woman (standing next to Linderman) 10. Mystery Black Woman (seated next to Charles) 11. Mystery Brunette Woman (played by Joanna Cassidy) 12. Mystery Mustache Man (seated between Charles & White-Haired Guy)

Of the picture I can say only this: I had forgotten he used to wear that stupid hat.

I wonder if we're going to meet the rest (or at least more) of these people.

I think so. I believe they intentionally showed all of the ppl who were already cast (probably behind the scenes) in certain roles and all of the ppl who they didn't cast yet, they made them blurry.

For some reason, I think that mystery black women is the lady Micha is staying with. Micha told Monica it might run in the family. Him, his father, and maybe his aunt?

Wait, who is Charles Deveaux again?

Edited to add a question.

Quick thumbnail of Charles: Simone's father and Peter's patient. He owned the building that the Super Roof of Super Heroes sits atop. He appeared in some of Peter's prescient dreams, and when Peter had a vision of the past, Charles was there with Angela and Past!Peter, but he could also see Future!Peter.

Charles Deveaux was Peter's dying hospice patient- Simone's father, played by Richard Roundtree/Shaft.

Can someone please change the thread title? I would make a Golden Girls joke again, but I did that way upthread.

So far Maury the Nightmare Man, Linderman and Not!Sulu have all talked about the others abusing their powers, and so far only Angela has really stepped up to the plate and said "we" did horrible things.

And while Maury's protestations were obviously self-serving, I wonder how much Linderman and Kaito believed what they were saying? I think they did. I think each, for reasons that we've not entirely seen yet, believed the others to have lost sight of their goals. I do hope we get some real insight into the old-timers soon.

ocvictor, I too have been wondering about Maury repeating the same thing. Maybe they ALL abused their powers.

That certainly seems to be the case. Even Papa!Shaft seems to have used his powers to make money on the stock market, although he seemed somewhat less unstable than the others.