This is a new summer show starting July 9. I'm definitely gonna check it out and hopefully we can discuss here! Kelsey Grammer's daughter, Spencer, is the main female (umm she's GORGEOUS). It's about the Greek system at some made-up college in California.

http://www.virtualrush.com/ (the preview plays at the top left of the screen)

I saw this and it looked interesting. Then I saw the confederate flag. Hmmm. One easy way to scare off the black viewer. However, I am curious to see if they're going to explain it.

I am also pretty excited about this, Clark Duke is playing the roommate, I really love Clark and Michael right now, and am glad to see him actually on TV instead of an internet show.

I have only seen the online preview, and I don't remember a confederate flag, but that would be a crazy bad idea if its there. Where is the show filmed and where is it suppose to be set?

It's the bad acting (noticed in the commercial) that's scaring off this minority viewer but I did notice the condederate flag in the background.

OMG me too!!! He's reeeally funny.

And I'm sure they'll explain the confederate flag...i don't think they would put it on there to offend anyone. you never know with college, I had a guy in my dorm who had a confederate flag, and I didn't go to school in the south!! Not sure where the college in the show is supposed to be, I tried to look it up on Wiki but no luck!

I can't wait to see it!

I didn't see the preview, but I am a Greek-affiliated girl currently in college, and I know that one of the fraternities on our campus has a lot of Confederate-related paraphernalia associated with it. I think its founding is grounded in a lot of that history-- they have a big portrait of Robert E. Lee in their entryway. But they're not the racist frat on campus, oddly enough-- the house next door to them is-- these guys just like to get stoned a lot. So anyway, it might have something to do with that.

ilsalund, since you're greek, do you think you'll watch the show? i used to be, and i wanna watch it to see if they get it right...what being greek is really like, i mean. in addition to the fact that it'll probably be hilarious if Clark Duke is in it.

Probably. It looks interesting to me, although I'm already into way too many shows and when school starts back up I might not have time for a new one. But I'd like to. I've often wondered why there aren't more shows about college students-- it seems like all of the high school ones (The OC, One Tree Hill, etc.) would come off as a lot more realistic and organic if they were set in college instead of H.S. All the actors look too old to play high school anyway, and the situations in which they get themselves involved usually play out to me like stuff that my friends and I never even thought about until college.

As for them getting it 'right' and portraying 'what it's really like,' I'm not sure that I'll be able to tell. My school is really tiny (about 1,000 students) and our Greek system differs drastically from the stories we hear about the goings-on at big state schools. It's really low-key for us, and the Panhellenic groups (female frats/sororities) don't have residential houses, so it's a lot less cliquish than you'd think. Everyone's pretty much friends with everyone else, and we only get really territorial during recruitment and Greek Week. The boys are a little more hardcore, but I've never seen anything that approaches the level of bigger places. I'm sure I wouldn't even have considered picking up a bid at a place with a different atmosphere. But it'll be interesting to see how closely what happens on the show corresponds with actual experience.

That's so true. I've wondered the same thing myself. Plus, a college setting offers so much more drama than high school in my opinion. There's just so many directions the storylines can take. And especially within the Greek system, it can be like frat/sorority drama on TOP of all that college drama. I think it should be really great. I had the same Greek experience as you in college (1200 students at my school), btw, and it is a lot different than big schools. I loved it!

You can now download the pilot episode for free on iTunes here.

I just watched it and it was better than I expected. I'm an ABC Family fan (and a fan of teen drama in general) but this premise was not very interesting to me because I was never involved in any sort of Greek life in college, despite the fact that I went to a university with a huge Greek system. It just never appealed to me. Despite that fact, I thought the pilot was well done and most of the characters were likeable. The stereotypes are a bit off the charts right now but hopefully after they introduce everyone that will calm down. I'm interested to see what people who were a part of the Greek system will say. My Greek experience doesn't go beyond a random fraternity party or two.

The only part that I had a problem with was how Casey was willing to let her boyfriend's cheating go so she still had a chance at being sorority president. Is it really that prestigious of a position? And would you still want to be the president of a sorority that wouldn't want you unless you were dating an important guy? As a woman, that kind of thing bugs, and I hope that's not what it is like in sororities in real life. Her partying ex Cappie is way hotter and nicer than cheater boyfriend anyway. I sense an ongoing clandestine relationship will happen with them.

Yea car1fsu, I watched it on iTunes as well, and I loved it! The stuff you mentioned (in your spoiler) i don't THINK happens in real life, but definitely made the show more entertaining (not to mention will create a TON of drama). Cappie is probably my favorite character, I knew about 10 guys just like him at my school, haha. And how hysterical was the brother's roommate?!

I belonged to a large Greek system (now an alumna) at a somewhat large Division 1 University. What you mention in your spoiler car1fsu didn't happen in my sorority nor in the chapters that many of my friends belonged to, however, I can see it happening in a chapter here and there. I am in the process of downloading the pilot. I won't be able to watch many episodes since I have things going on Monday nights so as long as ya'll keep conversations going about what's going on, I will certainly provide comparisons to my Greek experience.

Mischievious, did you watch? Let us know what you think when you do! I'm just so excited that I have something new to watch this summer instead of reruns of The Inferno (ummmmm...kidding).

I need a life, but this former sorority girl is going to watch. The Greek system is usually portrayed as the seventh ring of Hell, so I'm really interested in how this show will handle it. Some of the usual stereotypes fit, but Greek houses do a lot more good than they're given credit for. I'll wait until the premiere episode though because I hate watching TV on my computer.

So the title of this thread will be Greek: It's More Than Just Repressed Homosexuality & Date Rape?

I'm planning on watching the pilot on iTunes today, but I'll reserve comment till Monday because I don't want to fool with too many spoiler tags. (I'm rather distressed about the timeslot, because that's when I get my Army Wives fix, but that's why they invented TiVo, right?) From what I can tell, though, it's as I'd feared: gross stereotyping and general portrayal of the Greek community as shallow and depraved, just more ammo for all the people who think that Greek Life is Teh Evul. The situation referenced in the spoiler above definitely would not happen in my chapter of my sorority; our most recently elected president is dating a nobody, and her predecessor didn't even have a boyfriend.

I will say, though, that the chatter on this board is making me curious as to which Greek organizations you all belong/ed!

Interesting review from the Hollywood Reporter here. A taste:



I totally agree with this reviewer, especially his point that it starts out horrifically stereotypical but gives many of the characters unexpected depth by the end of the hour.

I just watched it because I am ABCF's bitch and the commercials have been everywhere. I enjoyed it - good summer filler television. When it airs on Monday, I'll write more but briefly...The acting is not all that but the writing's good. The characters and relationships are more complex than I imagined. Especially the sibling relationship. I'm interested to see why there's such a distance between them. I liked their conversation after she bailed him out but you get the sense there's still some strain there.Where it fails is how it characterizes some of the sorority women or how some of the actresses portray them. I think I'll continuing watching to see where it goes though.



Without spoiling too much, the flag makes a brief appearance but it's really just to set up a character.

I just watched it on iTunes. I'll definitely keep up with it over the summer. I have to agree that the one dimensional characters started becoming more defined as it got closer to the end. With a few more episodes, as long as the writing continues in the same direction, it should be pretty good.

Not that I'm too picky about my television choices anyway.

So cool that is up on itunes, but I am so busy today, I am gonna watch it when it premieres tonight on TV. Glad to see you guys seemed to like it, especially the writing, which probably bodes well for the series. Seems like great summer fun...and perhaps will remind me of my younger days. Haha.

On the whole, I was disappointed...not that my expectations were all that high to begin with! I have a sad addiction to shows about high school/college life, but I just find it really, really hard to relate to a lot of the characters on this show and the premise that joining the right fraternity and sorority is OMG-the-most-important-life-choice-ever. Rusty's uber-social climbing sister, Casey, was so unlikable to me that I'm still trying to figure out whether we were even *supposed* to like her. Unfortunately, I think we were.

I did somewhat like Rusty and felt the show had a few funny/interetsing lines and moments (and I have to admit Calvin being possibly gay was a cool surprise), but not enough to make up for the many aspects of the show that didn't work for me. Yet, despite my many complaints, I'll tune in again next week...see my above reference to my sad addiction to shows depicting high school/college life, even though in this case some of the characters look like they're pushing their mid-thirties and are part of a show that kind of made Revenge of the Nerds look like a more subtle, nuanced view of college life!

I thought it was a pretty good show. I was greek twenty years ago, and I noticed the many stereotypes they have on this show. Greek life is more complicated than that.

Loved the 'walk of shame'...

I like the show and it reminded me a lot of my college life, especially from Rusty's perspective. Except I didn't get in fights/kicked out of a fraternity for pissing someone off. Just went out, drank, went back to the dorm, wash rinse repeat. I could spot which fraternities were based on which real-life ones from the show. I knew A TON of people like Rusty's room-mate and they scared me. Still waiting on the other stereotypes of college, like the really far-left dude or chick that never shaves and has Kucinich 2004 bumper sticker. Or that dude that owns every freakin' anime DVD ever and steals women's underwear.

Glad they got the "walk of shame" down....

I'm a GDI, but I did go to alot of Greek parties my freshman year, so I got a good idea of what they're like.

I feel like the girls were a little *too* Stepford Wifey...I get they were dressed ultra prep for the rush ceremony, but still, you probably would have been more likely to see them in gaucho pantsuits than that sunflower dress thing they had going on. Maybe it's more of a West Coast thing, though.

I liked the differences between the frat Rusty is going to pledge and the frat that his sister's boyfriend is head of. That was a true to life bit- usually you don't ever see frats portrayed aside from being really elitist, but frats like Rusty's do exist. Totally laidback and generally fun guys, though they usually don't have the same kinds of fund the kind of great parties that the elitist frats are known for. But in general, they're the kind of guys you want to hang out with.

At first I thought Rusty was the kind of guy that would be eaten alive by a frat, but man...he really did show some chutzpah at the end. He became a real person to me at that moment. He kinda reminds me of myself, except I was never that huge of a nerd, and I could down four shots before I started to puke...still a 2-beer queer, but not too bad.

I didn't expect them to get the "gay" angle in...I haven't seen that in a frat storyline in a good long while. I actually belong to this yahoo group, called Fraternity Memoirs, about a "straight" ladies man who experiments with guys on the side as he joins a frat...so it made me chuckle to see that. I did have sex once with a fratty-looking guy who all but said, "Dude, I have a girlfriend and this is just being stressed"...so that was true to life, I think.

I thought that was probably one of those most well done shows ABC Family has put out. I guess that's not saying much considering their history, but I really enjoyed the inclusion of minorities and that it didn't seem too extremely "Disney." There was a braless shot of a girls back. Gasp!

One thing I had a problem with (which happens on a lot of college movies), was the mentality that there is a "most popular couple in school," like this is high school or something. I only have my own experience to draw from, but there ought to be hundreds of people at that school that have never even heard of Casey. I guess it helps that the college they attend does seem to take place in a small town that's run by her boyfriend's father.

I really liked the pilot, but it sounds like I had way different expectations than a lot of you. I just thought it was going to be a silly comedy/drama that played on the greek stereotypes, which is basically what it was. I laughed so hard at the end when Rusty spit out his drink, and I laughed even harder at the "please drink responsibly" disclaimer after that.



Really? Because I thought that was pretty accurate actually. I go to a college with a huge greek system on the east coast and i've sat in traffic too many times waiting for pledges to cross the street and i've never seen a pantsuit.

Well, I'll admit that I'm gay, so I was never interested all that much in the sorority girls and what they wore...now, the frat boys in their Hollister polos and cargo shorts? 'Nother story right there. One gay guy could probably seriously contemplate pledging based on the hotness they'll be surrounded with alone...as the black dude pretty much demonstrates.

How the girls were dressed at the bar looked really accurate, though.

And I loved the difference between Real Casy and Greek Casey, though it does seem weird that her only ambition is to be the most popularity power couple on campus...like, really, noooooo one except for the people in your sorority and your affiliated frat give a damn about you. Most sorority girls I knew had at least some idea of what they wanted to do after college- usually either nurse, teacher, physical trainer, or business person. It just seems weird that all these girls basically only seem to aspire being the most popular sorority on campus, and nothing else.

Travis is hot, but I'd still go for the other fraternity president. At least until college is done.

Okay...Rusty...looked like Hilary Swank in drag. Seriously. Am I the only one who thought this?

I watched last night and I liked it - Cappy made me miss my college days! On a side note - did you guys know that Casey is played by Kelsey Grammer's daughter?

Now that I am more free to write about it...I think the show has potential. There are some definite weak spots in the writing/acting and a lot of stereotypes. But I like this strained sibling relationship. I want to know why it exists; what's going on in their family that they're not at least a little bit closer. How will this Greek stuff change that (hopefully not overnight)?

I also like that they did include a gay character. I wasn't expecting it at all so I was really surprised about that. Finally, I like the character of Cappy, or maybe it's the actor. I'm not sure which one, but I thought he was fun and reminded me of college guys I knew; I love his interaction with Rusty. I want to see how the frat tries to corrupt him.

Overall, it was diverting which is the point of TV. I enjoyed it enough not to focus on the things I knew were not quire right or good, if that makes sense.

I'm straight, so I did check out what the girls were wearing on the show. I found it to be a tad conservative and what you would see at church or when the parents are in town. However, most of the girls weren't that attractive except for Casey and Rebecca.

I don't know about you, but most girls I know nowadays wear oversized sunglasses and strapless tube-top/sundress things that's in danger of falling down and showing the twins. Or I'm surprised they didn't show any girls with cellphones, Louis Vuitton purses, or a pack of cigs. I was surprised they didn't have that on the show.

I was Greek in college and thought the depiction of the frats was pretty accurate. Its the sororities that they always get wrong, in my opinion. Part of me wonders if that's because the writers of these things have never actually asked a sorority member about her experiences. But then again, the sorority did scream the stereotype of one of the sororities on my campus...so much that I started humming one of their Rush songs without realizing it. It would be nice to see a portrayl of another sorority on campus.

The funny thing was the totally inaccurate depition of Rush(now called Recruitment for panhellenic organizations). At my school it was strictly controlled and phased over 4 nights of exhausting "parties." If my sisters and I had tried to make a snap final decision on a girl based on a 5 minute first impression, there is no way we would have ever gotten new sisters...we would have fought too much.

I died laughing at the Christian Southern roomie...I knew so many of those guys in college...Funny thing is that a lot of Christians joined Greek organizations at my school. Moreso girls than guys but they did and would have things like Greek Bible study and be really annoying when you just wanted to get drunk.

Its funny how they depict living in houses, because my school never had Greek housing. Though from what I've seen from visiting other chapters, that was fairly accurate.

Well, we did see Casey with a cell...but yeah, in general, the girls should be dressing like Paris Hilton/Lindsey Lohan wannabees. I think we saw a little bit of that in the bar. The lack of LV sunglasses or purses seemed wrong, as well. But I don't think we're ever going to see them smoking...they never show that anymore. I wonder if they're going to show the short-shorts look....you know, the ones with the school name right accross the butt.

I go to a totally prep college, so it's basically like living in an Abercrombie/Hollister catalog. The correct college boy look for most guys are a pair of cargo shorts/madras shorts, a tee from Hollister, Urban Outfitters, or Abercrombie, and pair of flops. Abercrombie is sorta getting taken over by Hollister, and I don't anyone who dresses in The Gap anymore. The popped collar polo is getting phased out, Birks seem to be on their way out, and the foam hat is deader than a door nail. But I don't know if they're going to show the kids in Hollister, UO, or Ab, 'cause shows tend to avoid brand-name clothing unless they're a sponsor.

Casey is Kelsey Grammar's daughter? I can see a resemblance. Except she's a hot chick, of course. I like how the actress is playing her...if she didn't have any talent, the character could have been painful to watch. The scene where she gives her boyfriend a subtle little look about how they're even now was awesome. And she looks hot in a wifebeater.

One thing I thought was cool...Rusty is an actual geek. He's not a hot "geek" ala Adam Brody or Jason Biggs in American Pie. He is straight up a guy that a good amount of girls wouldn't give a second glance to in real life, which is interesting. The trend on most shows right now is to hire a really cute guy, make him mumble some nerdy stuff, and then expect us to think that he's "the nerd". See: Chris Lowell on Veronica Mars.

Cappy's house seemed so dead-on. I loved those horrible couches from the 70's. I probably passed out on one of them. Cappy really does remind me of so many of the party guys I knew.

God help me, I really liked this show! It's portrayal of the Greek system was both accurate and inaccurate, but it captured the spirit of college life, and I was shocked that a Family Channel show featured tons of drinking, drugs, promiscuous sex, and bulimia in its first episode. But I have to give them props because no matter how much networks love to whitewash teenage drinking and other illicit behavior, it *is* college life, Greek or non-Greek.

I'm totally on board for Casey/Cap's inevitable reunion. I need something to 'ship on every show, and they're it for me.

The thing that felt really, really off was Calvin rushing a Panhellenic frat, and being a legacy at one. The Panhellenic Greek system is pretty much lily-white and although steps have been taken to diversify the houses and build partnerships between the varying Greek systems, most schools still have separate Panhellenic and Historically Black fraternities and sororities. At my school, there wasn't much difference between the Panhel and Historically Black houses, except during Rush because they have totally different rules and it caused major problems when they tried to put everyone together under a single governing body. I understand the need for diversity, but I'd have been more curious about the different experiences for Calvin and Rusty pledging under different systems. I did like Calvin though and hope he and Rusty stay friends even though their houses hate each other.



Seriously! One of the things I liked most about college was that the high school popularity contest officially ended with graduation. There were no "power couples" on campus because those kinds of things just no longer existed. I also love how Cappy is portrayed as a stoner-loser who'll never do anything with his life when he's the president of a fraternity at an elite college. He'll grow up when he graduates and realizes the party's over, just like the rest of us did.



I went to school in the South, and there were a few token, more-Southern frats like Evan's, but the majority of frats were exactly like Kappa Tau. Maybe each had a different stereotype (sports, drugs, good grades), but inside they all looked, felt, and acted exactly alike. I couldn't figure out where I'd seen the actor playing Cappy before until I realized he just reminded me of every guy I went to college with mixed with Dick Casablancas from "Veronica Mars."



At least they got right the part about not being able to talk to Rushees during the process. Houses got fined for violations every year for dirty rushing and illegal bids. The bid process was also ridiculously informal. Girls used to break down in sobs and twitch on pref night because they didn't know which house to choose, but there is a very technical process they go through. Same with the boys -- it's more than just showing up at a bid party. I did love the empahsis on the three no-nos during rounds -- boys, booze, and sex. We must have gotten that lecture a million times, when I was rushing and when I was on the other side, but girls still managed to bring it up.

MethodActor05, he totally did! Only prettier. *snark*

Cappie was/is adorable. He reminded me of my bff in college, who I also had the teeniest of crushes on and visa versa...but nothing ever came of it. *darn* Scott M. Foster's message board is currently an interesting read..lots of old friends posting..a prelude to the rush of fan-girls, I'm sure.

I thought the portrayal of the college greek system was flawed, but at least it wasn't all "Revenge of the Nerds" or "Animal House", as most greek movies/programs have been, since 1978 (release of AH). Both of those films are classic comedies, but I've seen more students disappointed or becoming disappointments in trying to live out their "Animal House" fantasies in college.

I will say that when I was in school, only the first night of fraternity rush was 'dry' (excluding that one dry fraternity)...most fraternity rush parties were very similar to Cappie's house. We girls always returned to campus a week early, so we could hang at fraternity rush parties.

I heart Calvin. I heart his one night stand and his 'great escape'..such a contrast to Casey's 'walk of shame'.

How small IS this college supposed to be, because at my University there was no ONE "It" couple...and several "Power" fraternities/sororities. Still, I would suppose they need to narrow down to specifics , or the cast would be HUGE.

Also, Christian/Southern roommate? Where was your accent? It seemed to be slipping...I'm just saying.

Thank you! i was trying to figure out why I was predisposed to like the character (beyond the fact that he IS representative of every college guy I knew) and now I get it. I may join that shipper boat with you, Lila. Just not too soon - I like Casey making Evan squirm for his mistake.

Also, I meant to mention that the Rebecca character is played by a South Asian (though I'm not sure if she's supposed to be that ethnicity in the show). I'm glad they had a bit of a diverse cast, with a few minorities in the frats/sororities.



I remember Spencer Grammar on Howard Stern a few years ago and she had a lot of disturbing things to say about her father and her stepmother. Apparently they don't get along very well due to Kelsey's wife/ Casey's stepmother. I think I remember she mentioned that Kelsey kicked her out of the house and cut her off financially. She was only 19 at the time though; they seem to getting along okay now.

ABC Family Channel movies have always been guilty pleasures for me but I don't remember having the desire to watch one of their series before. But I was curious about how Spencer Grammer would do and I've been liking Clark Duke (Southern Christian Roommate) on Clark and Michael so I decided to check it out.

It was better than I expected. It has the feel of some of their movies and I like that they tackle more mature subject matter. And since it is TFC, I'm not expecting great realism but so far it hasn't been too over the top. While I never had any interest in becoming part of the Greek system, I knew girls who rushed sororities in college that were very Stepford wifey. I also knew girls who were just your average girl who were in sororities. I do hope they introduce a contrasting sorority like we have the contrasting fraternities of Cappy and Evan.


There was a point during Calvin's talk with one of the fraternity presidents when my gaydar got pinged for some reason. I silently slapped myself because I had no idea where I was getting that from. I was pleasantly surprised when they had him hook up with another guy because I rarely get premonitions about that sort of thing without heavy anvils during the build-up.


Both Evan and Cappy seemed really familiar to me. You've helped me solve one of the mysteries.

So far, I find the characters appealing enough to continue watching. Besides, I have a lot of empty room in my TV viewing schedule during the summer season.

I really enjoyed it. Sure, there's plenty to be nitpicky about (like how Panhellenic represents female historically white fraternities and sororities; male groups are part of Interfraternal Council, or IFC) but overall it really captured the spirit of what goes on. My school is a little smaller than Cyprus-Rhodes is supposed to be, I think, but a lot of what happened in the episode was really dead on. I kept saying, "I know that guy!" because there were so many archetypes of people that I recognize from my school. I can totally tell which fraternity the Omega Chis are supposed to represent, and it's funny because the name is an inverse of the sorority with which they are affiliated on my campus. I really liked how they portrayed the calm and sobriety of the women's recruitment parties as opposed to the boys', which is so true, the boys get crazy and we have thousands of random rules. Someone upthread mentioned how they gave the "no boys, no booze" lecture before the party and if I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times, and I too appreciated that.



I just had to chime in on this because: word. That "I'll give you a bid right now/ I'm in" scene in the bathroom stall was the only truly and blatantly false note in the whole show for me. It's just inaccurate. I think the boys might do it like that, but for women at my school it's exactly like the poster above described. Tying in with that is how the show didn't distinguish between formal and informal recruitment. At my school, there are several weeks of hanging out and getting to know the girls before formal rush week begins, at which point we're not allowed to even speak to PNMs (potential new members) until Bid Day. Before formal recruitment starts, there are tons of rules-- like how we're not allowed to give a PNM anything, even a napkin in the cafeteria.

I get that they had to dramatize it up for entertainment's sake, but in my experience recruitment is way less cutthroat. We all have "rush crushes," but for the most part a girl's personality will determine the house in which she best fits. It's pretty easy to look at the line of girls coming for preview day and pick out who's probably going to be a Kappa Delta, or a Phi Mu-- at my school, anyway. I did love how they made a point to say that even if a girl didn't appear to be right for the house, to rush her just as hard as someone you want for your Little Sister. That's really true, and a speech we get at Rush Workshop dozens of times. The goal truly is to have every woman leave your house wanting to be part of it, and feeling like you want her to be part of it too.

All things considered, I'm going to keep watching. It's fun to see things my friends and I do represented on television, as opposed to all the shows about superheroes and criminal forensics.

Maybe it's where I live, but Hollister and Abercrombie really isn't that preppy anymore. Preppy is more like Lacoste, RL, and Gap. I'll grant that boys do dress a lot like that, but that's not preppy.

Well, I thought Rusty looked way better as a girl than a guy!

Also, the line where the roomie calls Rusy a heathen and said he was going to go pray for him....could seriously have come out of my mother-in-law's mouth.

They had me the minute they made the "Don't talk about drinking, partying, boys during rush parties." That is CLASSIC. That and the use of the phrase "Panhellinic assclowns." True, it was a guy who said it and fraternities are governed by the IFC and the sororities are the ones under Panhellenic, but I certainly appreciate the sentiment behind it. In fact, I may have said it a couple of times. But on the whole? Far more accurate than that stupid sorority reality show on MTV a few years ago.

I laughed so much at that because of the amount of times I actually heard that before recruitment!

The college I went to there were several "It" couples that everyone talked about. What made it more hilarious was the fact that half the students didn't really care what was going on with them.

The Christian/Southern guy didn't sound like he was from the South at all. He sounded like a dude from Cali trying to sound Southern. He needed empty Chick-Fil-A bags by the bed and a football powerhouse (like UGA, Florida, South Carolina, Clemson or Tennessee) best of DVDs. And most Southerners didn't like putting up a Rebel flag on their wall....unless they were part of a fraternity that strangely isn't on the show.



My only thinking is either the fraternity took a chance on Calvin's dad and let him join (fat chance in that time period), Calvin's dad is white and his mom is black, or Calvin is adopted. I guess we'll find out as the show progresses. I'm somewhat thinking the third option.

And they need to have a made-up historically black fraternity with a step show.

The promos didn't intruigue me all that much, but I was really pleasantly surprised by this. As mentioned, the acting wasn't great, but the writing WAS. Which is pretty rare.

I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Compared to The N's "The Best Years", this is a gem. I'll definitely give it another chance.

Does anyone else see a strong resemblance between Spencer Grammar & Emily Proctor ("West Wing"&"CSI-Miami")?

I was hoping they'd have one of those too. It seems like the only time black fraternities are portrayed accurately is in black movies (for lack of a better words). Other times, it seems like they're painted as overly aggressive or scary and intimidating.

But a step show would really add to the whole the "Greek" aspect that they're going for. At least it would for me.


I was thinking about that too. I was surprised that there was a black guy joining a white fraternity. I don't know if that actually happens very often, but then again...I have no experience with the Greek system.


I'm sure ABC wouldn't allow it. Not only is it a family channel, but it's owned by Disney. Plus, aren't they trying to make smoking an automatic R rating for movies? I can't imagine they'd let that slide by on movies.

I have to say that the pilot of this show is the best I've seen from ABC! That might not be saying much as I just started watching with Kyle XY last summer and have only added Lincoln Heights since but suffice to say that I was impressed. I don't know much about the Greek system save tidbits I learned from the movies and the little I saw of the life in school so I guess I'll be coming here to check (in)accuracies on the show.

I didn't have high hopes, especially after seeing The Best Years, so the show blew my expectations out of the water. The writing was excellent, very funny. The acting was alright and the casting... Let's just say some of those folks are clearly in graduate programs.

I liked the relationship between Casey and Rusty. It was believable without being OTT. Did anyone check if they said anything about where they hail from? Are they far from or close to home? I want to know why it was "unavoidable" or "inevitable" that they go to the same school. My two siblings and I all went to the same school (I went years after both of them were done) but that was only because we all stayed near home.

Panhellenic is actually made up of woman's fraternities and sororities. The fraternity Calvin is rushing would be part of IFC.

I actually looked this up because I couldn't figure out what to call traditional Greek houses as a whole and couldn't remember from undergrad, and there is no joint name, just National Panhellenic Conference for sororities and North American Interfraternity Council for fraternities. On the other hand, Historically Black Fraternities are governed by a group called the National Pan-Hellenic Council which just makes it all the more confusing. Still, I second the cheers for "panhellenic assclowns" because the IFC bashing never stopped, and much of it was warranted.

For me it was better than I expected too. It was really a fun show and I agree the writing was great. I really love all the characters -- especially the one played by Clark Duke.