jeet
May 15, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Apparently the 21st century equivalent of "How many angels will fit on the head of a pin?" is "How many
Angels will fit on the broadcast schedule?"
Like Jell-O, there always seems to be room for a vampire/detective show.
ETA:Apparently tags don't work in thread titles. Can someone change my failed attempt at an italicized "
Another" to an all-caps "ANOTHER"? Thanks.
cjl
May 15, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Like Jell-O, there always seems to be room for a vampire/detective show.
Except on the ©WB.
What interests me here isn't the format or the star, but the creator. I was a huge fan of
Beauty and the Beast (what, guys can't be drippy romantics, too?) and I've been waiting for a long time for Koslow to come back with a full-fledged fantasy series. (Maybe he can bring George R.R. Martin with him as a story editor?)
SanLynn
May 15, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Last I heard this show wasn't making the schedule so color me pleasantly surprised to see it there.
I'll definitely check it out. Especially given who created it. Very nice!
zombygirl
May 15, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
Interesting
cjl
May 16, 2007 @ 9:40 am
The summary from tvguide.com:
Moonlight: From prolific movie producer Joel Silver (The Matrix, Trilogy), is about Mick St. John (Alex O'Loughlin, upcoming White Out), a captivating undead private investigator who uses his acute vampire senses to help the living… instead of feeding on them. In an agonizing twist of fate, Mick was bitten 60 years ago by his new bride, the seductive and beguiling Coraline (Amber Valletta, Hitch). Immortal and eternally as young, handsome and charismatic as he was then, Mick is sickened by Coraline and other vampires who view humans only as a source of nourishment. With only a handful of undead confidantes for company, including deceitful ally Josef (Rade Serbedzija, 24), Mick fills his infinite days protecting the living, and trying not to think about how his life would have been if he hadn't followed his heart. However, after six decades of resisting, he wonders if it's time to pursue the love of a mortal. He has his eyes on Beth Turner, a beautiful, ambitious reporter who has been covering the ongoing plague of unusual murders. But would Beth even consider giving up a normal life to be with him, and can Mick risk the pain of seeing himself as a monster in her eyes? As Mick lives between two realities, fighting his adversaries among the undead and falling in love with Beth, he knows he needs to figure out a reason to keep living.
Hmmm....sounds very
Forever Knight.
rdb
May 16, 2007 @ 9:55 am
Dammit, I'm still waiting for my vampire cowboy show!
</Whedon>
Slade2
May 16, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Last I heard this show wasn't making the schedule so color me pleasantly surprised to see it there.
Maybe HBO's forthcoming
True Blood and the success of Lifetime's
Blood Ties made CBS rethink their original decison? I never watched
Beauty and The Beast, but I remember many of my friends loved it. So I'm looking forward to watching this.
BrainyBlonde
May 16, 2007 @ 11:52 am
[bad pun]I'm a sucker for a good vampire show[/bad pun], so I'll definitely be checking this out.
Alex O'Loughlin is a hottie!
VampireDetectiveInteresting tidbit from
IMDB: Alex's father, Ronald Belford Scott, was the frontman for AC/DC.
Pulpbomb
May 16, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
He is hot! But what kind of a name is Mick St John? Groan.
Queenrikki
May 16, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Hmmm....sounds very Forever Knight.
Indeed. I'm sort of interested though. However, I'm wondering why can't one of these shows have a female vampire. It would set it apart just a little bit. I think I'd watch that more readily than something that's just redoing something I've already seen.
ciscokidinsf
May 16, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Couldn't we just have 'Blade' back? Seriously.
pootlus
May 16, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Or 'Angel'.
Especially if it featured more puppets.
TheExaultedOne
May 16, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
However, I'm wondering why can't one of these shows have a female vampire. It would set it apart just a little bit. I think I'd watch that more readily than something that's just redoing something I've already seen.
I agree with that totally. In fact the more I think about it, the more I love the idea of that. Women can be dark, menacing and sexy too, not just pure and innocent love interests that can redeem a man.
Couldn't we just have 'Blade' back? Seriously.
I second this. I second it emphatically. *strokes Blade and mourns the loss of a show taken far too soon*
mountaineer77
May 16, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
However, I'm wondering why can't one of these shows have a female vampire.
Demographics, demographics, demographics.
This falls into classic archetype: the mortal human female who is pursued by the charming, yet potentially dangerous, male vampire. In other words, the vampire is what we call a "bad boy."
Or, perhaps,
Underworld: The Series.
SanLynn
May 16, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Couldn't we just have 'Blade' back? Seriously.
I second this. I second it emphatically. *strokes Blade and mourns the loss of a show taken far too soon*
Lordy I miss that show. I know CBS used to own TNN but they don't own Spike right? Because, if so, the picking up of this show while canceling Blade is .... well, bizarre to say the least.
Bruinsfan
May 17, 2007 @ 9:23 am
To be fair, while I enjoyed Blade its biggest stumbling block was a lead actor who could neither act nor do much in the way of convincing fight scenes. Something of a problem for an eponymous action-adventure show.
xyzzy
May 18, 2007 @ 6:32 am
This must be the show they foolishly named "Twilight," which confused a lot of fans of the YA vampire series of the same name. I was also a huge fan of Beauty & the Beast, so I'm looking forward to this one. The vampire detective scenario is pretty cliche these days, but each take on it so far has certainly been its own show, so I won't discount it just based on the premise. I think that the networks learned from Blade that there's a big audience for vampires still--that particular show just didn't attract Spike's target demographic. A lot of eyeballs, but too many were female, sadly.
justsmile
May 18, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Preview TrailerClip OneFrom the Preview Trailer, it's not hard to figure out that the "One True Love" must also be the the little girl he rescued as a child.
pootlus
May 18, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Okay couldn't get the preview to work, but...wow. That clip showed some of the worst acting in history.
Or maybe I'm being uncharitable and the cast were just embarrassed that they were in a blatant rip-off of Angel.
jeet
May 18, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Let's not forget that Forever Knight beat Angel to the vampire detective punch. Between Forever Knight, Angel, that Canadian one and Moonlight, I think it's safe to say that "vampire detective" is officially a genre (at least a sub-genre).
The difference is largely one of perception.
There are still few enough vampire detective shows to say that Moonlight is a rip-off of Angel or Forever Knight or that Canadian one.
I think the next time one of these rolls around, our response will be, "Oh, another vampire detective show."
Slade2
May 18, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Thanks for the links, justsmile. I watched the clip and part of the preview trailer (because it kept freezing). The clip wasn't very good, but the preview trailer was better. The vampire seems a bit more Frat Boy than vampire, but I think I'll tune in. Because it's on CBS, though, I doubt it will last. And if FOX's Reaper is remotely good, I wonder if this one will have a chance.
Toga88
May 22, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Okay couldn't get the preview to work, but...wow. That clip showed some of the worst acting in history.
Or maybe I'm being uncharitable and the cast were just embarrassed that they were in a blatant rip-off of Angel.
Nice to know someone else shares my opinion.
And am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Owhatever attractive?
Turkish
May 23, 2007 @ 12:16 am
And am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Owhatever attractive?
No. I don't think he's the least bit attractive.
This show looks incredibly bad due mostly to whom they chose to cast in the lead roles. I predict it will get cancelled after less than 4 episodes.
Red Adept
May 23, 2007 @ 11:42 am
What I'd really like to see in this whole Vampire Detective genre is bringing PN Elrod's Jack Fleming to the screen. We've already got a renaissance of hard-boiled film-noir detectives, so why not a vampire one set in 1930s chicago?
ashsplash
May 23, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
I haven't watched any of the clips yet but I am curious enough about this show to give it a chance (at least for a few weeks). I only hope that it is decent enough to make up for Alex O'Loughlin leaving The Sheild. I'd be sad to see him leave a show that he is good on for one that he will only be on for a few weeks.
SilentRunning
May 23, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
No. I don't think he's the least bit attractive.
I guess I'm crazy but I think he is very attractive and more so than Kyle who plays Henry on Blood Ties .
I actually prefer mature men portraying vampires ie GWD on Forever Knight and Rick Springfield in the movie version the series was based on .
I'm hoping Moonlight survives the odds since I'm liking the promos so far and think the premise sounds great despite the comparisons going on. I never watched Angel but did really enjoy Forever Knight and like Blood Ties mostly but still think Dylan would have made a much more convincing and captivating vampire ..
Ethan815
May 25, 2007 @ 6:28 am
I'm very annoyed CBS picked this up over Babylon Fields, and I don't see this show doing well it all.
I'm kind of amused how it seems to be identical to New Amsterdam over on FOX, and I predict both shows will be gone by midseason.
WendyCR72
May 25, 2007 @ 8:32 am
This is just a Forever Knight rehash, IMO. Reluctant vampire as a cop/PI [Nick/Mick - how original there!] who longs to help mortals and is facinated by one [Natalie/Beth] while tempted by the seductive woman who gave [or helped give] him immortality [Janette/Coralie]. Though Moonlight has no LaCroix. Pity. :-P
Still, I may check this out for the undeniable cheese factor!
caia1970
May 25, 2007 @ 8:48 am
Just once I'd like to see something different and original like a Vampire/Veterinarian show or a Vampire/Coroner show. Actually that could work really well; easy access to lots of bodies, he could work the grave-yard shift, like a Vampire-Quincy M.E.!
Red Adept
May 25, 2007 @ 9:41 am
Still, I may check this out for the undeniable cheese factor!
Talk about Cheese factor? I almost caught the latest Tom Sellick movies just for Nigel Bennett.
Just once I'd like to see something different and original like a Vampire/Veterinarian show or a Vampire/Coroner show. Actually that could work really well; easy access to lots of bodies, he could work the grave-yard shift, like a Vampire-Quincy M.E.!
I could dig (!) a Vampire Coroner show, but unless it delves into Crossing Jordan territory, it'll have to be mostly about his/her personal life since watching an hour of forensic activity in the morgue just would not appeal.
And no, no Henry Winkler and hookers in the morgue. please!
jeet
May 25, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Reluctant vampire as a cop/PI [Nick/Mick - how original there!]
Could have been worse. They could have called him "Mick Might".
justsmile
May 25, 2007 @ 11:51 am
CBS is recasting the female lead character aka "one tru wuv".
They should rethink the lead character name change while their at it...of course Mick St. John is just the sort of name that the criminals will be shaking in their wee boots.
Bruinsfan
May 25, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Well, maybe if he challenges them to a game of quarters...
TheExaultedOne
May 26, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Wow, the trailer for this was teh suck. After reading the synopsis I was pretty interested in checking it out because I love vampires, but the trailer scared me in a bad way. Throughout the whole thing I was like "I'd rather be watching 'Blood Ties'" because while 'Blood Ties' is no "Angel" or "Forever Knight" or "Blade: The Series", or hell even "Kindred the Embraced", the trailer for this made 'Blood Ties' look genius in comparison.
CBS is recasting the female lead character aka "one tru wuv".
Good!
I somewhat liked Shannon Lucio on "The O.C." but she looked about 12 years old in the trailer and seemed somewhat miscast so this good news.
*sigh*
I hope Amber Valetta is in it quite a bit, because her being gorgeous and evil and sexy and vampiric is really the only I
might watch more than the pilot (and only that to confirm the suck)
GenieinTX
May 30, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Oh man, this looks like it's going to suck. I'm officially sick of the vampire detective who wants to help humans. Blood Ties is a little bit different in that the vampire doesn't hate himself for being a vampire. He gets off on it, and that's what I'd like to see more of in terms of vamps on screen. I'll put my hope in the Sookie series for that one. I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Sherrilyn Kenyon's characters either. Hot sexy vamps mixed in with figures from Greek mythology fighting rouge vamps/demons/whathaveyou. Sort of Angel similar I guess too, but not so angsty.
mara
May 30, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
If this show is sucky, I hope that it will be fantastically awful - WB's Tarzan-level-suckitude, so we can mock it with glee. My residual Beauty & the Beast fangirl still hopes for goodness, but, I'm in either way.
GenieinTX
May 30, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
Who am I kidding? I'm totally in too, especially if it's on right before Numbers on Fri night.
Bruinsfan
May 31, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
It could be there's something to be said for a hilariously bad vampire show. Like, fang-dentures-falling-out-of-the-actor's-mouth-onscreen-bad.
Lord knows the only way I preserved my sanity through Blood & Chocolate was laughing at the attempts to include parkour stunts for an actress who couldn't manage a 2-foot verical jump, and wondering where the wolf packs are that perch on overhanging beams and logs like birds from the Hitchcock movie.
CJohnson
Jun 1, 2007 @ 12:39 am
FYI from the
Hollywood Reporter"Angel" co-creator/executive producer David Greenwalt has been tapped to serve as executive producer/showrunner on CBS' new drama series "Moonlight."
davidmello
Jun 1, 2007 @ 2:53 am
I am very surprised by David Greenwalt's decision to run this show. I just wonder how his influence will affect the show, and whether it will be like the first season of "Angel", only with a LOT more Darla-ish behavior from the vampire who sired the crime-fighting vampire. I wonder how they'll recast the girl who's supposed to be his true love, or maybe change her character.
Bruinsfan
Jun 1, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
As long as they don't make her glow, float, and spout platitudes like Glenda from The Wizard of Oz...
pootlus
Jun 1, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Heh. Hehe. I got the Cordelia reference even if no-one else did.
DG is a good showrunner but I don't give this one longer than six episodes unless they change...everything. To another show.
Toga88
Jun 1, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
Ooh, I got the reference too. And, now that DG is running the show, I'm a little more inclined to watch the show. Perhaps he can save it from being...what it is.
Bruinsfan
Jun 2, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Apart from the good writer/capable showrunner stuff, his presence guarantees that any parallels with Angel that the basic premise forces will be knowing ones. I'll be much less likely to be annoyed by a recurring trope if it's Greenwalt revisiting something he himself did before. And odds are he'll find interesting new slants on the shared elements.
AnnieF
Jun 2, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
I had very low expectations for this, but Greenwalt's signing on gives me hope. Maybe it might even be...good? I'll definitely give a shot, at any rate.
jeet
Jun 3, 2007 @ 10:46 am
Will there be puppets?
Zelda Gilroy
Jun 4, 2007 @ 1:07 am
It does sound like Forever Knight. Blood Ties isn't about a vampire detective. It's about the human detective Vicki and 2 sidekicks, her ex-partner who's still a cop and the vampire Henry. Henry doesn't do much "detecting" he's more info and muscle. He's not interesting in being a detective really. His main motive is getting into Vicki's pants. Alive or undead, a guy is still a guy.
Moonlight sounds tediously angsty so not much room for puppets.
Bitterswete
Jun 4, 2007 @ 10:42 am
He's not interesting in being a detective really. His main motive is getting into Vicki's pants. Alive or undead, a guy is still a guy.
Well, Henry met Vicki because he was investigating the same case (a series of "vampire" murders that had the city in a panic). And, via flashbacks, we saw him doing some evil fighting on his own back in the day. And, when he's not trying to get into Vicki's pants, he's interested enough in the cases he's helping with to ask questions about the finer points of detective work. But, rather than doing the detecting to atone for past sins, for Henry, it's almost like a hobby. Live as long as he has, and you gotta find new ways to make things interesting.
Plus, he wants to get into Vicki's pants.
From the descriptions,
Moonlight does sound like it will be very angsty and serious. But, who knows? They might inject plenty of humor. I mean, if you just went by the descriptions for
Angel (broody, angsty vampire trying to make amends for his evil, evil past) you might not know how funny the show (and the Angel character) could be.
SilentRunning
Jun 4, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
I am actually looking forward more to this than the return of Blood Ties which lost steam for me . I think one of the reasons why Moonlight has more appeal is the vampire is a mature guy played by a charismatic Actor while try as I might Kyle's Henry on BT became annoying and predictable after awhile ...
Bitterswete
Jun 4, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
I am actually looking forward more to this than the return of Blood Ties which lost steam for me . I think one of the reasons why Moonlight has more appeal is the vampire is a mature guy played by a charismatic Actor while try as I might Kyle's Henry on BT became annoying and predictable after awhile ...
KS has been getting better and better at making Henry seem like a centuries old vampire trapped in the body of a (hot) young man, who enjoys playing the part of a (hot) young man sometimes. In the zombie episode, for example, there were scenes where he seemed so dignified and regal to me, I had no trouble believing there were hundreds of years of experiences standing there.
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