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Jacob
What's worse than golf? Why, golf with Donald Trump!
narcosleepy
"The problem is you were the PM on a task that lost." Uhhhhh...yeah because Trumpcompoop, those are your rules this season! PM until you lose!

"Mr Trump" is the new "the."
beejereeno
Looks like Ivanka will be back next epi... according to a shot of her in the preview for next week.

Love her!

Overall this episode had everything the rest of them were lacking... an exciting, fun challenge activity (for once), people bitching at the confessionals about other people, and also a GOOD reward!

High points for me this week...

Surya and Angela talking between the hedges, where he's trying to save his ass, hee!

I was so proud of Kristen's team, they did the best job from start to finish and to top it all off, they all got along (for the most part), and their reward was AWESOME! To get to golf with The Donald and let him see them in a different light and interact with them, was so great for them, plus they got a set of clubs each. Best reward so far this season, IMHO.

Surya in the boardroom, scrambling? Gah! I can't stand the guy. He deserved to be fired. "Oh, woe is meeeee!" STFD!

During the tension between Kristen and Muna while they were going over their strategy in the van I was, I could not believe that Kristen would consider other ideas, but she was right and justified by her decision to go with the one they had. I praised Muna for standing up for herself in her confessional, but then understood Kristen's annoyance with Muna, once I saw her nitpicking with the production staff at the company that Arrow hired to do their props (Plan B). Hello, earth to Muna! Let the guys do their job! But she pulled through and proved herself in the end especially with her Spanish. She is really an asset, in that respect.

I thought James had the right idea when he said, look, this particular boxing ring thing will not be very well understood or heard or seen by this huge crowd, we need to re-think this. Then FrankieSuits and the rest of them never got up and said, dude this idea sucks! The team bickering at the LAST FREAKING minute, OMG! I was like, GET THE LEAD OUT, will you?!

I think if it wasn't for Surya and Frank, and possibly Tim and/or Nicole, their team team might meet its match with Kristen's.

Go Kinetic! Those four strong, smart and beautiful women HANDED Arrow's ass to them!
BtvsVamp
"The problem is you were the PM on a task that lost."


I watch this show occasionally and because of this quote is the reason I don't always watch. Whoever the PM is the majority of the time gets fired and its quite stupid. You can a majority of the time make it to the end of a season by never being the PM and saying nothing. That girl Stefani who never speaks is my guess to get there.

Kristine better hope her team never loses or its bye bye.
meowing
FINALLY, a good episode, although Surya and Trump screaming at each other in the boardroom gave me a headache. As soon as Surya admitted he would be a better team player than PM, he was toast.

James was totally correct in his dissenting view but he should have brought his reservations up earlier.

Trump and Arnold. I don't think their egos are going to be able to fit into one episode.

Trump was really promoting Angela (as usual). I don't think he'd pay much attention to someone who is not 100 pounds unless she is an Olympic athlete. There should be more Angela-sized women on TV.
protanto
I believe Trump had no other choice. He couldn't fire Tim - this was just his idea that came out of brainstorming; that's not grounds for dismissal. James did good by pointing out he did not do anything that lost them the task. Surya? I happen to think very highly of him. But on this task, Surya dropped the ball big time. He probably should've listened to James instead of allowing himself to be annoyed. I am sure he is better off not being hired by Trump.

We did not get to vote and win 10K tonight. Trump must've run out of money...

Overall, I think this was a very good episode!
Moncheechee
I'm in favor of anything that gets Surya off my TV screen, so I was pretty happy with this outcome. The spoilers, however, made it seem like Surya was sticking around for a while longer. I wonder what's up with that.

ETA: Oh! Did anyone notice that TD introduced this executive like a normal person would? It was a nice break from the usual "What's your name again?" that most of the guest executives get.
Disclaimer Will
Why did Arrow have a guy dressed as a giant douche with a GNC label on it? (I'll sidestep the easy Surya joke that's lurking there, if you don't mind.)
quaismart
You guys, I am fearful for Donald Trump on the day he takes on Muna. Her name should be "Dusky Dangerous." He should exercise caution with Angela, as well.
only1kcm
On a shallow note, Boyfriend Bill was looking mighty fine this evening!
paulyb84
Thoughts by person:

Kristine: She did a decent job leading the team, although I don't think she was right to be so critical of Muna, as she was only voicing valid concerns. She was quiet in the boardroom, but Trump didn't seem to mind. She wasn't nearly as big an advocate for Surya as was Aimee, but she didn't seem to think as highly of him as did her teammates.

Muna: Her concerns were totally valid, but I don't think she's getting a winner's edit. This week, she was portrayed as getting in the way, so we'll see what happens next time. If Kinetic loses next week, I think Kristine will try to "bury" Muna, as she put it, but I don't know who would come out on top.

Heidi and Angela: They both did fine, and Angela definitely redeemed herself in Trump's eyes. Most of Angela's success on the microphone at the event was due to her ability to project, but nonetheless, she helped them put on a great event. Heidi seemed to be solid as well. They could both go far, and I'm predicting Heidi will be in the F2.

Surya: Got what was coming to him. If you can't relate to a group of people and understand what makes them tick, how are you going to motivate them and earn their respect? I didn't think Trump would fire him this week until he made the remark about him being more effective as a follower, which Trump obviously wasn't going to like. I didn't think he'd come close to winning, but before that remark, I figured maybe he'd last another week or two.

Tim: I'm not sure whether or not his idea was all that great, since we didn't see a whole lot of its development, but I'm glad that he wasn't fired for brainstorming and I'm glad he was honest in the boardroom about both James and Surya.

Frank, Nicole, and Stefani: Didn't see much from them, although Frank was childish in his comments about Surya at the beginning. I actually they were setting him up for a firing this week. Stefani is still getting the winner's edit and even though she was vocal about Surya last week, she kept it under control this week from what we saw. For what it's worth, Stefani is the only person left who hasn't been in the room for a firing (not counting Michelle quitting), and Bill, Kelly, Kendra, and Randal all waited several weeks before they saw someone get fired.

James: Now that he's been called out for trying to cover his ass, I don't think he's got a shot at winning. A clip from the previews for next week makes me think that he's PM, which I think would be wise for him. I didn't really think he was going to win anyway, but if he wants a chance at survival, he'd better win as PM next week. It was good for him to voice his concerns, but I've never thought his edit was a winner's edit, and this week proved that it wasn't. Nobody ever accused Bill, Kelly, Kendra, Randal, or Sean of playing boardroom games.
idledandy
Yay, Surya's gone!

Seriously, I wanted to smack Bill. James had a very good point. Was he not supposed to say so just because he didn't realize it right away?

Surya's gone, Surya's gone, yaaaaaaay!
WampaLord
Trump has such a MASSIVE boner for Angela it's scary. Like, honestly, Donald.

Surya? Good riddance. I'm glad you added in one more "it's absurd!" on the way home.
CheekyCricket
One moment, Surya is remarking that he thinks that James is most like himself; the next moment, he's singling out James as the most obstructive team member. I wonder if Surya even listens to himself? At least he's off my television screen.

Those were the saddest halftime shows I've seen. I don't know how the GNC rep decided that Kinetic's show was better than Arrow's. Flipped a coin, maybe, and then made up some reasons to choose one over the other.
Sunidesus
Did Frankie seem like he was on the verge of tears in the boardroom to anyone else? He has such a weird desperate demeanor every time he ends up in there.
protanto
Boyfriend Bill, isn't he supposed to be smart and an independent thinker?
What the hell was he talking about in the boardroom? How difficult was to make the decision as to who to fire tonight? I think a 5th grader could do this.
Tortfezr
I think that Jacob is right and they are definitely bringing out the total cracked-out awesomeness now. That halftime show, with a tarp, some stringer banners, and a vitamin character that looked like an advertisement for Marlboro were supposed to brand GNC? I think that Christine was right and that they all could have been fired. Tim for a lousy concept, James for adding nothing to make it better, and Surya on total and complete suckiness. It looked to me like the boardroom may have been tilting towards a James firing until Surya made that ridiculously stupid, suicidal statement about being a better player if he's just on the team and not PM. Wow, how could those words ever come out of your mouth and you expect to stick around. Once he said that, like "White Trash," though in this case totally valid, that was all DT had to hear and Surya was toast.

As far as the other team, Muna was getting the future loser edit IMO, but everyone did their job and they came up with a quick, punchy, visually appealing program that you didn't really have to know everything about the concept in order to get the message that GNC is good for you.

Oh and one last thing, Trump National is the #1 rated golf course in CA? Really? Because Golf Digest has two CA courses in the top 10 nationally and neither is Trumps course. In fact Trump CA isn't even listed and Trump in Palm Beach, FL is #84. Maybe Golf Digest isn't yooge enough to fully appreciate his greatness.

ETA: I was impressed a little by the way that Bill stood up to DT a little, with the remark about how Tim shouldn't be fired because he was the only one that stepped up and even had an idea. Must not have seen the smackdown on Randal last week.
CheekyCricket
Around Trump, Bill is never an independent thinker. Especially in the boardroom.
pgoat
Arrow's boxing concept was a lot like one used by a past season team to promote the "Tide To Go" pen. They had "Tide To Go" Pen Man fighting various stains. So, not only was Arrow's concept poorly executed, it also wasn't as "out of the box" original as Surya would like to believe. He was annoying..I'm glad he's gone. And Boyfriend Bill did look great.
clarinnn
Oh I think James still has a great chance of winning. I thought he made the most rational and on the spot statements in the show tonight. He's seems to be the smartest of the bunch. I find it wierd that in the beginning Surya says James was most like himself in that he could see him heading a fortune 500 company and then he brings James to the boardroom, trying to get him fired. Surya is a walking disaster. And what's with him always consulting the other team, as if he was still a member there?

I like Kristine a lot in this task. She's a good leader; too bad they made her UTR on a lot of tasks, otherwise I'd remember significant things she did before. But I think her past experiences at creating half-time commercials was what got her team. I wonder if her team will fare as well, in tasks where no one has experience. I think the next acting task will be a good indicator.

Trumps sucking up to Angela was nauseating. Kristine was responsible for the win, yet Trump hardly bat an eyelash at her.

I can't stand Tim. He's so judgemental of everyone yet, he's like one of the most lacking contestant in the show. Shoot me if I have to see another episode with him romancing Nicole. Bleh!!!
JellyBellys
Holy SHIT just when I thought Surya couldn't get more horribly obnoxious! Thank you DT, for firing him, even if Bill was weirdly getting on my nerves with the James comments. I'll just pretend he was attempting to not make it look so obvious that Surya was getting fired. Bill WAS looking smoking tonight, too...and...oddly...far less terrified than usual. Perhaps Randal/Sean is Trump's new whipping boy(s)?

Those halftime shows were both godawful, but I thought Heidi was adorable in her vitamin suit, and not too good (TORAL) to wear it.

Surya really, really deserved to be fired. He did *nothing* last week, he even admitted he had no idea what was going on cause Stefani/Frank did everything, and he was pretty bad at the task the week before that as well.

I agree that it makes it hard on the PM to lose and not be fired, but both Nicole and Heidi were PM's who lost, and they are still around.

And jeez Trump, get it under control about your rampant Angela love, man. I like her too, but seriously.

Did anyone else think the attendence was pathetic at that game? They kept saying 15,000, but that looked like 1,500 to me.
WampaLord
Did anyone else think the attendence was pathetic at that game? They kept saying 15,000, but that looked like 1,500 to me.


Upon hearing that a "special" half time show is being put on by GNC, I'd probably take halftime to go get a snack or use the restroom. Plus, it's soccer, so there's no breaks during the game to do those things. Explains a lot of the empty seats.
Hippy Hollow
Finally, a decent episode. Took 'em long enough.

I like how the Trump/Apprentice franchise is losing steam (and cash). Trump has to meet his Apprenti in Echo Park? What's the matter, Trumpy, no office space available?

I thought it was strange how all of a sudden, Trump has manners and actually learns the name of the executive he's working with this week. Of course it didn't help that the GNC exec looked like Hannibal Lector before an evening meal. He had that crazy look in his eye and the crooked mouth working. Creepy!

Muna is working my last nerve. As much as I would like to see a fellow Jamaican win, she annoys the hell out of me. Glad she got the smackdown from her PM as well as the dude trying to print the damn signs.

The women's team (Arrow?) had a pretty crappy idea, but it was evident at least what was supposed to be happening. James echoed my thoughts about the boxing ring skit - how are people, half paying attention and on their way to the toilets, going to follow a soap opera in a ring? I figured the other team would win simply because they said "GNC" and "vitamin" in their halftime show.

Was it even possible for Surya to be any weaker? You would think he would come to the team and say, "I think we started off on the wrong foot - let's get our concerns out in the open and move forward," and have the bitch session that the team clearly needs to have. Or at least take "Frankie Suits" aside and figure out why he keeps clowning him in front of the camera? No frickin' clue, man. Of course he got the ax...it's been foreshadowed for weeks.

Bill Rancic is clearly the favorite of all Apprenti in Trump's eyes. He behaved more or less like Randal, but Trump thinks he's great...

Anyone else glad to see the Tent City promotion gone this week? No spoiling the outcome of the show anymore. I also think the threat to Muna in the preview was more of the Apprentice hamster explaining their skit than an actual threat of a beatdown.
ChaiTea
Why didn't Trump ask Kristine, the PM, about the task? Instead, he asked ANGELA.

Speaking of Angela - can I believe what I saw?? Did she actually DO something?? And she did a pretty good job too. Finally, she did something that contributed to the success of a task. At this point, she is now officially FIREproof.

15 thousand people in that stadium? Where? They must have all gone to the bathroom during the halftime show.

Thank gawd they didn't bore us with more of the Ticole romance. I couldn't believe that Trump asked Nicole if he should fire Tim. He would have got a more accurate response if he asked her, "Nicole, should I fire Tim? I mean, even though he's tapping your ass, should I fire him?"

I'm disappointed with Stefani. It didn't look like she contributed as much as she usually does. Could that be a reason they lost?
amhilde
Oh and one last thing, Trump National is the #1 rated golf course in CA? Really? Because Golf Digest has two CA courses in the top 10 nationally and neither is Trumps course. In fact Trump CA isn't even listed and Trump in Palm Beach, FL is #84. Maybe Golf Digest isn't yooge enough to fully appreciate his greatness.


Oh totally- I expected them to be shipped off to Pebble Beach. As someone who watched their hometown fairly destroyed to appease the Golf Gods for #s 23 and 61, a Trump National course is piddly compared to some of the courses far FAR ahead in the rankings.

What was all the crap Surya was yakking about at the beginning? That he was happy to be on that team and looking forward to being effective? Who hires consultants like him? Ah well, at least hes off my screen now.

Adding Spanish to the halftime show was smart- especially for a soccer stadium crowd. Sounds like someone learned their lesson from a few eps ago!
Sunidesus
Anyone else glad to see the Tent City promotion gone this week? No spoiling the outcome of the show anymore.

I watched slightly time-delayed so I could skip commercials, but I usually have seen that horrid thing past weeks anyway. I thought it was missing, but I wasn't about to go hunting for the stupid thing!

That he was happy to be on that team and looking forward to being effective? Who hires consultants like him?

In my experience consultants are in general useless. They come in, change everything for no reason other than to make changes, and then leave. Then they come back a year later and change it all back to the way it was before. Of course if they were to come in and change nothing they wouldn't get hired again. It's really an insane system.
meowing
"Tide To Go"


That was MARTHA'S Apprentice and I remember it clearly because of Jim!
WBBell
. I don't know how the GNC rep decided that Kinetic's show was better than Arrow's. Flipped a coin, maybe, and then made up some reasons to choose one over the other.

James really was right. When you have a huge stadium, you can't be portraying a scene from Henrik Ibsen, you've got to be simple. Kinetic's was simple and effective. Even if you ignore Angela's insane screaming and just looked at it, you see GNC, Vitamins, Bones, Heart. You look at Arrow's and you see a boxing ring and this big bottle and .... a bunch of nothing much.
goobaletta
I was very disappointed that the tents didn't blow away. I could've used the giggle.

As for Surya? As soon as they showed him talking to Muna and Angela I knew he was toast. Also his pissy whiny-ness was so completely annoying that eventually he'd have been fired anyhow. But damn was he an eejit for telling Trump he wasn't a leader. As noted above, that was the equivalent of the marketing dude saying he was white trash last week.

When will these fools learn that you never give Trump the rope with which to hang you? Bah.

I find Trump's hard-on for the Olympian interesting. And a bit creepy.

Looking forward to Ivanka next week.
BrownCat
I think tonight is the most we heard Angela speak. I found it funny DT called Heidi a "star" and Angela a "star" too. Different kinds of stars I guess. Trump's awe of her is kind of cute but I was glad he added the other girls were good golfers too. Maybe he figured out he was laying it on too thick. Probably if the other team won he would have sent Boyfriend Bill out to play a round.

Not much from Stefani tonight. I was disappointed she didn't give Surya a big old eye roll in the van. But Muna did get one from the props guy.

I'm glad Surya's gone. He should work on saying about half of whatever comes to his mind.
jparnell313
I'm disappointed with Stefani. It didn't look like she contributed as much as she usually does. Could that be a reason they lost?


Maybe. However, I think she was edited out this week because she wasn't threatening to crush Surya in the boardroom like the previous week.
Lambchop
What was up with Nicole shrieking into a megaphone just as Frank was doing the intro for Arrow's Average Guy play?

I agree that Surya sucked in some ways, but Arrow wasn't winning any tasks before he came along. I could actually see Surya's point that Arrow would be a difficult team to lead. You've got egotistical Tim, big-mouth, immature Frank and "brings-absolutely-nothing-to-the-table" Nicole.

The only ones who impress me at all are James and Stephani. And yet, I do think James was a little late voicing his concerns -- however legitimate they may have been. Once the money's been spent, the props have been made, and time's just about run out, it really doesn't do much good to say, "Maybe we should have done something else." I do think there's a point of no return where you just have to suck it up and go for it.

Kristine seemed to do pretty well as PM. And she wears some cool necklaces.
meowing
Oh, and "Bend it like Donald" is a terrible title. I understand it's a play on the soccer bit but it's still bad.

I guess it worked if it annoyed me though.
Manchot
What? Regardless of how annoying he is to the viewer, Surya did not deserve to get fired at all! To all those who said that James was making insightful statements, consider this: he didn't start questioning the boxing concept until after they had already started making it. Up to that point, he was practically giddy for it. In the van ride, when Surya had told everyone to spend five minutes brainstorming on ideas, James and Tim basically spent the entire time doing nothing except mock Surya, as if to suggest that it was a terrible idea to brainstorm.

The members of Arrow corporation really do act like little kids. When James and Tim were shushing each other during the five minutes, I felt terrible for Surya, because I could tell that he would, in the end, get blamed for their juvenile tactics. Seriously, that's something I outgrew when I was about six years old. I think that's the main reason that Surya got along with Kinetic but not Arrow: there are actual adults on Kinetic, while the majority of Arrow is stuck in middle school.
clarinnn
Manchot, regardless of anything you said to be true, what do you make of Surya's lawn conferences with the opposing team to try to exhort them to help him the boardroom, as a kind of favor? It's twice already! Doesn't that behavior cross an ethical breach? I think Surya deserved to be fired just for that act alone.
Manchot
Manchot, regardless of anything you said to be true, what do you make of Surya's lawn conferences with the opposing team to try to exhort them to help him the boardroom, as a kind of favor? It's twice already! Isn't there an ethical breach for that kind of behavior? I think Surya deserved to be fired just for that act alone.

No, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. In fact, I don't see how it's any different from the rest of Arrow conspiring together against Surya. Just like them, he was trying to get an ally in the board room.
clarinnn
I think Surya's behavior was more akin to currying favor with a judge, very different from anyone ganging up against someone. And I didn't really see any of that here. All the comments Arrow made in the boardroom were fair--James even conceded that Surya was responsible for the first win.
Manchot
I think Surya's behavior was more akin to curry favor with a judge, very different from anyone ganging up against someone.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

And I didn't really see any of that here.

We didn't see it this week, but we definitely did last week. It can be assumed that the same feelings carried over.

All the comments Arrow made in the boardroom were fair--James even conceded that Surya was responsible for the first win.

I really don't think so. The main reason, IMO, that he couldn't get along with his teammates is because of the maturity gap between them. Seriously, I'm only 21, and these people, who are supposed to be in their late 20's and early 30's, seemed really immature to me. If I had to lead these people, I don't think I'd get along with them, either.

As for the reason they lost, it was a failure of the concept. Everything else was executed correctly. Why weren't there any better concepts? Because James and Frankie didn't take the brainstorming session seriously, and were distracting to everyone else. Certainly not because of the PM. I think Trump really dropped the ball on this one.
Canaduck
I can't believe that Arrow wrapped "GNC" horizontally around a cylinder! I could only see one letter at a time. Great branding, guys.

Thank god Surya and his yapping are gone. I think that some of his leadership ideas were good ones and lord knows Arrow needs to be reined in A LOT. But he was completely oblivious to the body language of his team and failed to adjust his style. I wonder if he really believed his own glowing appraisal of this week's task? That had me cringing.

I didn't think anything of Surya talking to Kinetic through the hedge. In past seasons when both teams lived in the same quarters, a lot of that went on.
JellyBellys
As for the reason they lost, it was a failure of the concept. Everything else was executed correctly. Why weren't there any better concepts? Because James and Frankie didn't take the brainstorming session seriously, and were distracting to everyone else. Certainly not because of the PM


Surya didn't think of any ideas either, though. He LOVED their idea, he gave an interview blathering on about how awesome it was. Totally deserved firing, IMO.
Did anyone else think the attendence was pathetic at that game? They kept saying 15,000, but that looked like 1,500 to me.



Upon hearing that a "special" half time show is being put on by GNC, I'd probably take halftime to go get a snack or use the restroom. Plus, it's soccer, so there's no breaks during the game to do those things. Explains a lot of the empty seats.


That's true, but it looked really empty during the game as well.

That was MARTHA'S Apprentice and I remember it clearly because of Jim!


"It's time for Tide to go!" I randomly get that stuck in my head once in a blue moon. I do realize how sad that is. ;o)
nikitakitty
Can we just skip the whole contest deal and spend an hour on Sundays watching The Donald masturbate? ::sigh::

I was rooting for Arrow but they really did suck big time. I mean, you're in Los Angeles! Downtown! At a soccer game! Who do you think the spectators are anyway?! Mostly....Spanish-speaking!!!!!!! Geez. How hard a concept is that to get? Arrow's show was hard to understand and didn't seem to follow the original idea at all when it was executed. But even if it had gone better, having no Spanish voice over to accompany the action was the kiss of death.

I realize that it may not have been clear to folks not from LA, but when Donald Trump starts you out in Echo Park, that's a sign you'd better brush off your high school Spanish. Of course there was no real reason to be in Echo Park, other than to infer that Spanish-speaking people and 'soccer' are going to play a big part in the task. Whatever.

It was a difficult project to pull off at all much less well. Kinetic's show wasn't the shit either, to be frank. They just sucked less than Arrow and had the Spanish presentation which is really key.

If Arrow had actually executed their original idea I think they might have been okay, but once on the field it devolved into a weird bunch of guys in black hanging out with the guy in the blue robe. And then a bottle nearby starts dancing. I understood what Frank was saying and it still made little sense to me.

What really bugs me about this show every time is how people are asked questions in the boardroom but the person targeted is permitted to talk over the person's answer and we never get real answers to some particularly enlightening questions. They just move on and the question remains unanswered.

Surya is someone they have to work around, and I think it's a mistake for him to talk thru the bushes to the other team about how his current team sucks, because his current team can a) hear them and b) he isn't making any effort to lobby on his own behalf with his own team. And he is so unaware of his effect on others that Surya will be ninety years old and he will still not understand why he was a bad project manager. He really thinks he's great, and the team sucks.

Now we'll get to see the experiment I was hoping for, how Arrow will do when they don't have someone to work against. Or they will 'choose' whoever is PM next to act as the outsider to work against.

The rewards really suck this year. Golf with DT is not my idea of fun. Nor is meeting Arnold. There are fun things to do in LA that would be comparable to some of the things they did in NY. DT just isn't choosing any of them. Probably because he won't allow anything to happen that isn't a free prodcut endorsement deal.
DolfinWings
Editing department really freaked me out with this week, I was totally afraid that he or Tim would go. What was up with Tim in the board room? I wonder if that will bring tension to the already tense Arrow.

Also, the governator. ECk!!!! (Bitter CA resident if you can' tell, and I never voted for him)
BetJo
Watching The Donald on the golf course . . . . made me realize just how being able to afford a great designer can cover up all the extra poundage.

Trump looked like he had put on at least 20 or 30 pounds . . . . and then in the Boardroom with his designer suit he looked much, much slimmer.

Ahhhh...to be rich.
Imbaack
Bitter CA resident here also, DolphinWings. I call him the "Gropinator". Watch out for those big groping hands women Apprenti!

What was up with Nicole shrieking into a megaphone just as Frank was doing the intro for Arrow's Average Guy play?
She was trying to get the crowd to chant "Go Joe" or something like that, get the crowd involved with their lame-*ss play.

This was the first good ep of the season. It was clear which team lost and who's fault it was and who deserved to be fired and that person was fired. The whole boxing ring setup reminded me of season 2 or 3 - Didn't they call the Tide spot pen guy "Joe" also. Whatever happened with that product? Don't see commercials for it anymore.

Suryea - lose the head shake man, it makes you seem like a little kid.
Lambchop
There are fun things to do in LA that would be comparable to some of the things they did in NY. DT just isn't choosing any of them.


I notice that none of the rewards have involved a helicopter ride this season. But I guess that's because Trumpy can't point out all the buildings he owns. Not in L.A.

He can't say, "That's Universal Studios...I own that.......There's the Beverly Hills Hotel....I own that.....That's the Pacific Ocean.......I don't own that.......but I own the ground under it."
erazor
So what exactly was the premise of Arrow's presentation? That a 98-pound weakling periodically hugs a can of GNC motor oil and is turned into some superhuman not dwarfed by a mighty coliseum?

Kinetic won this, I think, by having large neon shapes, plain and simple. Inherently their idea was only marginally better than Arrow's, but the use of simple, large shapes in easily recognizable outlines and lack of play-by-play narration was far easier to follow; the ease of visual recognition won out over the tiny actors Arrow's ring.

Favorite moment: When Heidi's vitamin rolled over on its side and Heidi was trapped with her face nearly on the field.

What has happened to Sent to the Tent? Has someone gotten cheap/felt this spoiled the thrill of the loss or was this nipped last week, when I barely paid attention?

Arguably, Suriya killed any planning momentum when he demanded his five minutes of silent brainstorming. Haven't we seen this before, in another season? Seemed to me that this action, while it might have stopped the rampant enthusiasm for the boxing idea, also changed the mood of the team from one of excitement to one of division--Arrow vs. Suriya. This wasn't brought up in the BR, and if it was we didn't get to see it. Really doesn't matter since Suriya was kicked to the curb, but I'd have thought it was a moment of defense for Tim and James.

I'm not sure I agree that James was deliberately dissenting at the 11th hour. Sure, he could have voiced his objection a bit earlier, but it may be that seeing the rehearsal in the large stadium and the mayhem of the set-up was the catalyst for the remark. At which point, of course, there was nothing that could really be done except for reworking the narration to make it simpler and clearer.

I, too, wasn't anti-Muna until it was shown that the propmen were fed up with her; I'd like to see her lead fairly soon. I don't think she presents herself well tonally or necessarily agreeably and it's likely that going into the next task with a PM who has made clear that she would have "buried" Muna had that team lost that Muna may be nearing exit.
dobie90
Was at the game a year ago. Let the record show that both skits were enough to make Gandhi go on a killing spree. The crowd, not the GNC drone, was meant to vote on the winner. The crowd rightly booed both teams clean out of the building. This should have been the cucumber porn mass-firing, not a chapter in the Angela hagiography. I can't imagine why the GNC finger-puppet thought that the Giant Pill Laff-a-lympics was good for his company, but I guess that's why Trump knows his name and not mine.

Wondering why there were so few highlights of the game? Wondering why we saw so many shots of pear-shaped old men doing carpentry? It was a 0-0 disaster. Neither team had its stars, since the World Cup was going on. Give Burnett credit for not splicing in highlights from other games.

Unsurprisingly, we didn't see shots of restive Galaxy fans teasing Trump with chants of "Who are ya!" He got back at us by "firing" us. I suppose we had it coming.

I would have fired Angela and Nicole, for screaming into the microphones. If it sounded unpleasant on your television, imagine being there.

Pet peeve. Hey, Muna. Sweetie. Invoking the Almighty in your petty little game show feud? Super mega jumbo awesome. Muppet news flash, Muna: God is not on your team's side. God is too busy giving Grammy Awards to Mary J. Blige. Even accepting the probability that Team Arrow is guided by Satan, a premise which after all is pretty easy to buy, how do you explain God also being on KRISTINE's side, Muna? Huh? You freaking theologian.
Imbaack
I, too, wasn't anti-Muna until it was shown that the propmen were fed up with her; I'd like to see her lead fairly soon. I don't think she presents herself well tonally
Heh, "tonally", that's a way to describe it. I think Muna got the "religious nut" edit this week. "its in god's hands", "I'm praying for you", etc... it was a little too much for the circumstances.

Loved the way the workman's body language subtly hinted that he'd like to strangle Muna. lol.

I think Trump would love to have an Apprentice with Olympic Medals. The game maybe Angela's to lose.

When I look at Stefani all I can think about is false eyelashes. What's with the Mary Tyler Moore retro look? Must be hard to apply false eye lashes in a tent.
thuganomics85
I'll give this episode this: I was actually somewhat nervous about the firing. Most signs were pointing to Surya, but I really thought that there would be a last mintue swerve, and James would get the cobra. Especially when Tim started to agree with Surya on some issues. I figured Trump would be "Well, Tim says you suck now, so your fired!" Thank God, that didn't happen.

That being said, I do suspect James front-runner status got knocked back, a bit. He really didn't come off looking good tonight. I hope he the does PM next week, and kick ass. It would defintely help redeem him in Trumps eyes. But Stefani's shot at winning is looking a lot better now.

Kristine/Muna ended up not being much, but who knows where this will go. I thought Muna was annoying and really needs to learn to STFU, but I thought Kristine was taking it way to personally. I think Muna's just anal... I don't think she was trying to discredit you as PM, Kristine. Calm the fuck down.

Heidi was actually kind of cute tonight, especially when she was running around in that costume. Could to see that there is more to her then the smirking, ruthless queen, that we see in the BR.
J19
Does Nicole ever contribute anything to the task but screaming? Totally useless.

The way Muna speaks is polite, over-enunciated, condescension. Does she ever do anything to contribute besides complain, usually behind the person she is complaining about's back? This project she was at least up front about her complaining. Also the micro-management of this task's workers and the questioning of the Lexus guy in the last task, is not really a positive. Some details are actually too small to give so much time and attention. But on this show, it is usually the small stuff that sinks a candidate.

The love for Suraya by his former team is misplaced. They remember Suraya from when they were winning and they all loved each other. Since then, the team has fallen apart and there has been tons of backbiting. Suraya just wasn't there for any of that. Just saying that they would not like him as much if he had remained with them.

Trump totally does not pay attention or care why teams lose. That it is always the PM's fault for "poor leadership" is just silly. How could the same person be a poor "leader" when the team loses and a good "leader" (or at least not a bad leader so as to be the cause of a loss) when the team wins? Every loss is not a failure of leadership. Shouldn't the team contribute in places the "leader" fails at? If every aspect is ultimately the leader's responsibility, then it should be automatic that the PM be fired, so let's do away with the boardroom. Of course, that makes no sense, so the constant blame for the PM makes no sense. Is Trump good at every aspect of his company's operation? No, that is why he has underlings. If the underling screws up, they get fired, not Trump for not having "leadership" abilities.

Is Angela that famous an Olympian? Don't get the Trump love for her. She was awful last week and Trump totally absolved her and is now touting her as a "star." He totally does not care about what really is going on. At one point, he had to be reminded that Suraya was the PM. Instead of asking Kristine about the task, he turns to his idol, Angela. He also has a hard-on for Heidi, though with her, I think he might want to see her fall--Heidi you started off so great and now look at you screwing up...

James, Tim, Nicole and Frank (also Aaron, but not Stefani) are a clique that thinks they are too cool for school and Suraya had no shot with them. His esoteric, business school ideas for approaching a project do not help either. I love how he changed the reason he volunteered to change teams from how highly he thought of the team to proving himself to Trump. Frankie was so right on about that. I am not defending Suraya's abilities. I find him kind of useless and fake talented/competent in a Sean way.

That this week Tim throwing out a bad idea was not something that should be held against him, while last week Derek's throwing out a bad idea, that he himself, soon after, rejected was, in fact, held against him, is so inconsistent. Trump even went so far as to reprimand Derek, when Derek said it was a bad idea, that you shouldn't throw out bad ideas. Trump, it is called "brainstorming" and other team members are free to reject off-the-cuff bad ideas. Trump is so inconsistent and such a "blamer."

That Tim and Nicole (and Angela) never get blamed for anything they do or don't do is just plain wrong.

And, didn't the preview say something about one team "dropping the ball," as in totally failing to do the task? That did not happen, at all.

The productions they put on looked like team mascot races. All of the candidates are useless and not creative. It just comes down to mere competence and not doing anything that Trump considers terrible.
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