What the holy hell was that?

Jesus-freegin-christmas !! Did they *have* to tell us that there will be a double firing next week ? Haven't those types of endings been the best boardrooms ? Ugh.....

Oh my. I have to say, Derek and Jenn should have mentioned the Hispanic thing, but Derek was right that being Hispanic does not necessarily equal not speaking English.

I have no problem at all with Aimee being fired for being a lump, but Jenn didn't look too great either. When Aimee didn't like the octopus, she should have just taken it down and said, "We're not using this, the end." Instead she wanted to call a committee meeting about an inflatable octopus? And then Jenn was all passive-aggressive instead of just saying, "OK, you don't like the stupid octopus, we won't use the stupid octopus." We saw ten minutes of task, and like four of them were dedicated to an inflatable octopus?

Once again four of the five tent-city choices are on Arrow. Tricked me this time!

Also, Arrow's antics with the mad scientist picture? Horribly unprofessional and utterly hilarious. I love Frank more and more. "But what is your STRATEGY?" Stefani continues to rock hard. Can we do a reshuffle and have Derek, Angela, Frank, and Stefani all on one team so I can just root for them?

Surya just cemented my dislike -- "tease out"? He said "tease out"? to Trump? He was treading on thin ice after earlier episodes and the non-ironic use of "out of the box" but that, right there, is it.

Also, how naive it is of Aimee to think that she'd be able to make both of her points about why Jenn should be fired, when Trump had clearly moved on from such logical thinking.

What did she mouth? Was definitely a "Oh snap!" level expletive regardless. I think pudgy tall guy who I still can't name is one of my favorites...and by favorites I mean people who least disgust me on this show.

Surya: That was tough. That was tough.
MiniTrump: That was cut 'n dry.
Me: Hahaha. [veronicamars]Pwnage![/veronicamars]

Most. Awkard. Kiss. Ever. (Not counting any Vh1 Celebreality shows.) Dude like yanked her head up twice. And the way he was standing and just everything...weird. Oh and editors...you really don't need to reuse the same kiss seconds apart from each other and that was just too damn long.

So, what, did they screw up on the "Tent City" crap (and why in God's name do they do the first one after the opening credits?), and reuse last week's, or were they trying to fake us all out? I mean, here I am, sitting there going "well, you can throw me on the Frankie Suits train, but geez, could there possibly BE a more disfunctional team than Arrow?", and then, whammo!

Tim&Nicole... the horror! The horror!

What is Kinetic's deal with "paradise" images? :)

So, once again, Surya... does something indefinable. We would have had practically the same kind of BR if Arrow had lost, excepting probably the specific issues... and I don't think Surya could've walked away from it.

Ding ding! Aimee, here's your ticket for the "delusional Apprentice" train! All aboard, but be prepared to make room probably in the near future for Surya...

Oh, and despite the regrettable "your name, please" business, the TrumpJet -> Priceline segue actually kinda *works*!

Two words to cause a double cobra... "Trump sucks!"? But for all her "quiet strength", if I saw the promos right, it looks like Angela could be in serious danger (especially with a double cobra) in two weeks.


Yeah, that was... wow :) "She's pissed!" Heh. True, dat, Derek.

Hmm, dream teams... Muna, Derek, Frankie (but not as PM), Stefani... Most of the others I might throw on are blurring together, although at least BlondeCloneJenn got some real face time tonight, even if for the wrong reasons. Do we still really know anything about Kristine, other than that stupid pollo bowl was her creation?

Spanish speaking aside- why, if the goal is to get the most entries, would you tie people up having to punch things into a computer? It's faster to get them to fill out forms. Especially if you're going to put an ad/tutorial at the beginning. You're already cutting into the number of entries you're going to get.

Aimee is giant bundle of suck, though. She also needed to hit a hair salon in the mall. What's with all these supposedly professional women going around with long straight dry shapeless- and in the case of the boardroom for Aimee- UNCOMBED- hair?

This whole show is such an afterthought now. WHat is the point of the viceroys if they're not in the boardroom? What is the point of Don Jr in the boardroom if he didn't see the task? They're not even pretending to be watching and getting to know these people. (Of course, I barely am, either.) Every week there's a different set of warm bodies following these nitwits around.

I really don't like any of them, and it's awfully late in the season to be saying that.

Could that have been a little more...random?

I personally found the pink octopus to be absolutely hillarious. It was so random, I really wanted to hear it brought up in the boardroom.

How crude was the Tim/Nicole makeout scene to the soft porn music in the backround? Yuck.

Something Nicole said really annoyed me. I think it was regarding the surfing lessons. "It was something I never would have tried because I don't know how." Well dear...that's why you take lessons.

I'll admit, for a moment I fell for the editing and forsaw a double firing for Derek and Jenn.

Wasn't Ivanka supposed to be on this show or something? Her (very blank) face keeps staring at me durring every commericial, but I don't think that's what they meant.

Also I'm kind of annoyed by Arrow's mass marketing strategy they seem to be very fond of. Do you think a single person looked at the flyer and said "Hey! I could go to the mall and take a survey?! SIGN ME UP" They should have just been wondering around the mall.

I might as well talk about the Spanish Inquesition. If Trump had a lick of sense to him he would know that Aimee would have known those people speak spanish. To say that Derek and Jenn are at fault for lack of information relay is ridiculious. I'm sure someone else can think of a humorous metaphor.

Maybe we can start a new thread/game based on that premise.



Because it's Priceline. They use 'puters. The Intenet. What are these forms you speak of? Sorry, I tried. I can't think of a good reason not to either. Although, I hope some Priceline exec is watching this episode and just made a note about the accessibility/usability of those English-only tutorial kiosks. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Really, her face? Because it's her 5318008 that keep staring at me. <NoN reference ... because I'm 12. heh> Damn, those puppies are yoooge!

So ... this episode. WTF? They're at mall in LA. I could have told them before the task started that, hey, you just may want to have a Spanish translation of the contest announcement and/or forms handy. Not exactly rocket science, people.

Can the people on this show be any more annoying? Surya sucks. I cannot wait until he gets shitcanned. I think it will be a firing for the ages...

It's actually easier to figure out who isn't annoying. Angela and Derek, for instance. Solid, hardworking people with a lick of common sense. I have to admit that even Frank is growing on me. But you could take Tim, Nicole, Surya, Muna, and Stefani and toss 'em aside.

The first three are useless. I'm tired of Muna's passive aggressiveness. Stefani annoys me with the glasses on her nose (though she knocked it off this week, thank God). Tim and Nicole are gross. And Nicole's a wuss. A hospital visit for a jellyfish sting? Good Lord!

I loved how Trump contradicted Surya. Man, this show is bad.

I couldn't even make myself watch the whole thing tonight. It was absolutely horrendous! I figured Aimee would be fired. Do ya think the fact that she was the ONLY one from her team listed as a choice to tent city was a BIG CLUE?!!!!! I didn't even watch the previews. I'll probably only keep up with the season now to finish the Yahoo game. (Sad, I know! I don't want to get the team's score down on purpose!)

Double firing next week? I entirely missed that.

man, the entirity of team Arrow is from the eighth grade, aren't they? The whole drawing stupid pictures and giggling behind the teacher's back. And then ripping up the napkins. I was half expecting Frank to try and eat the remnants of the napkin. Or Suriya to ask him to read it to the class. And then the whole 'oooh Tim and Nicole are alone, kissing in a treeee' thing.

That said, I'm not sure if I hate them, or if I'm amused as hell by it all. Can you really become a succesful person acting like that? I just...there are no words.

Also, I think Suriya might have said even less than Aaron when he was guest-viceroy in the boardroom. And yet no one said anything about it. What's with that? Considering it was such a big deal for Aaron.

Man, how has Heidi managed to make everyone on Kinteic worship the ground she walks on? Since this season is so lame, that alone, almost makes me want her to win. Keep controlling the minions, Heidi!

Not sure why the hell Derek/Jen didn't tell Aimee what they knew, but it really didn't matter. Aimme sucked ass as PM, and I'm glad she's gone, especially after her smugness, in the last boardroom. Aaron probably got a big laugh, once she walked through Sequesterville's doors.

What is with the revolving Viceroys? The season promised us Ivanka, but we've gotten Sean twice, and Donald Jr. And was that Randal I saw, in the next episodes previews? Actually, I would love it, if he came back, and bitched out these fools.

I'm finding myself warming up to James more, since it clearly looks like he wants to bash Surya's brains in.

OK - I understand having interpreters to help people 'sign up' at the mall and win money to use on priceline.com...and help the team win...but....

So they should've had Spanish interpreters, a Spanish 30 sec. demo, Spanish sign up page...

Leading them to Priceline's website....which is in English.

So how are the non-English winners going to spend thier cash on an English only website??

Yeah, yeah, there's probably a Spanish version somewhere, free money has no language barriers, yadda yadda yadda. But for the show's purposes - having a Spanish interpreter would only have won the task. NOT boosted visits in Priceline's website.

Here's what bothers me now (and I really hope Jacob takes off on it in his recap): how does someone with so much money, the private jet, all those toadies, etc. EVER get to state "Life is a bitch?"

Actually, that's in two weeks, as there's no episode next week because of the Oscars.

As for this week's episode, it was pretty obvious that Aimee was going to go, especially once she admitted she failed to allow for the possibility many of the people in the mall spoke spanish.

I loved it when Aimee said,"This was a different team when Heidi was PM". Just signed your own pink slip right there.

Was is necessary to show seemingly endless footage of Tim and Nicole making out in the hot tub? God, that was awkward. I found myself covering my eyes.

Whoever came up with the idea that people had to enter the drawing via computer should've been fired. That strategy limits the number of people that can enter the drawing at any one time and is dependent on people actually standing in line. I, for one, probably would've gotten bored and left. But maybe both teams had to use computers?

I thought Jenn did well in the boardroom. While I despise Aimee and would likely throttle her were she my manager, I did feel that Derek and Jenn were to blame for not bringing up the demographic issue at the outset. But Jenn made a simple, yet very good point in the boardroom - when the team realized that the language barrier was an issue, Aimee did nothing.

This episode wasn't too bad, but it still would've been nice to see more task. You know, instead of Tim and Nicole kissing, over and over and OVER again. That's an image indelibly burned into my brain, I'm afraid.

Frank's still annoying.

What is up with Surya's homage to Elvis?

I may be in the minority, but I think Derek and Jen should have told Aimee about their research. It just does not make sense that they would not have said anything at all about the mall's key demographic. After learning that hispanics are 50% of the customers, they should have drilled further into the issue of what language the customers speak/understand. Derek and Jen assumed that you can tell what language someone speaks by looking at them.

Yeah, Randal! Maybe we will get to see Kendra too this season.

Instead of the revolving viceroy chair this season, they should have brought back Troy and Kwame to sub for Carolyn and George. That would have brought an interesting twist and provided a treat for fans.



I cannot wait for to see the team realize that they are propping Heidi for the win and what they will do to back stab her.

Oh, boy! That was so fricking "deep"! Boy, that was double deep!!!
Deep #1.
Last episode Aimee rips her glands out to save Surya, and this episode Surya sticks his tong in his ass and does nothing to pay her back. Deep!
Lessons learned: mind your own business - nothing here is personal! Is that deep, or what?!
Deep #2.
Two bad project managers. Two teams. Team "K" does not like PM so much they want to burry her alive. They succeed. Team "A" does not like their PM, but fail to burry him alive.
Lessons learned: Loyalty's important, but when at work, do what you are supposed to do there - work! How friggin deep!

I think Jenn and Derek are dead people walking. Giving the PM a cold shoulder is being disloyal in Trump's book. I am sure he made a note of that.
I wouldn't want any of them on my team.
Derek seems like he is ready to change his sexual orientation for Heidi.
Jenn, you are next on the coven's scapegoat list.
Nicole, take Tim and go away. And please, don't say a word - it hurts to listen to you!
Frankie, Hot Date - I like that better than Frankie Suits.

Yet another PM wins because his team carried him. At least, Aimee got fired.

These people seem to do fine when they're the worker bees, but not one has been a strong leader so far. Even Heidi hasn't been all that great, but so far, she's made a better showing than most of them.

Speaking of Heidi, did anyone catch her expression when Derek said, "She held the bar higher for us," and then told Trumpy that Heidi was a better PM than Aimee? Heidi was smiling like Anne Boleyn must've smiled when Henry VIII said, "Maybe I should dump Catherine of Aragon."

I can't get on the "Frank's Growing on Me" train. He did a pretty good job with sales, but after all, that was his job. Is it getting to the point where we're praising these candidates just for doing what they're supposed to be doing? Just because they didn't wander off and stroll pointlessly around the mall? Sorry, but I'm just not that impressed.

Well, personally, he's not growing on me as a proper Apprentice type, but as a more "normal" guy (yeah, okay, famewhore, but let's face it, that's a given for these contestants... and if I were ever crazy enough to get on a reality show, I'd probably do some attempted famewhoring of my own (if that makes sense, I might have tangled up my phraseology). Anyway). The hate for the obnoxious Frank of episode 1 is gradually dissipating (especially after somebody said in a previous ep thread that he's 27, only a year older than I), to be replaced with kind of a "well, I don't know about working with the guy, but I don't think I'd mind kicking back and having a few beers with him" thing.

Did we see how Arrow dealt with the language barrier? I don't recall seeing it addressed. I assume the English-only software was provided by Priceline itself (and that both teams were required to show that idiotic "tutorial" commercial to everyone who wanted to sign up), because otherwise I can't imagine both teams wouldn't have settled on a simple sign-up sheet. So I assume Arrow had the same problems, right? To the degree I can be bothered to care, I don't get how this was the issue causing the loss.

Like someone said upthread, let's hope Priceline is duly embarrassed by this. It won't be as entertaining to watch as Trump's "meatball pizza" gaffe in season two or the Yahoo people having to make a huge-ass donation because they tried to upstage the charity in that one final task... but I like it when the show itself actively damages its sponsors. (Beyond the shame of putting your name next to Trump's bellowing grimace, I mean.)

This season's canidates grow on me by each passing episode. I espicially love the ones on Arrow they have an awesome sense of humor. Frank and Tim are such goofballs. Nicole is exetremely funny and sweet, I love that girl so much. Stefani is probably the only serious member of the team but she's awesome also, love the glasses she wears from time to time. Surya is the "mad scientist" of the team (you go whoever made that up it was so funny). Surya talks on and on and I'm going to feel sad if he gets fired next week. The other team I don't hate em but Muna and Derek are the only ones I loved. Aimee I hated so much and man am I so glad that she is gone, she thankfully was the only person I seriously hated so far this season. The rest are meh.

So in conclusion, Aimee was the most deserved firing all season because of her personality, her bad boardroom skills, her bad PM skills, and her failure to pay attention on the task.

Yeah, a hospital visit prolly wasn't necessary. But neither was the face-o-suction Tim gave her.



ITA, the first thing I thought when they mentioned the tutorial was "Annoying!"

If they dragged me away from shopping at the mall to sign up for something, I want to be able to get some info about the product, sign up quickly, then go back to my shopping while I wait for the drawing. It should be fun, informative -- but fast!

Making the customer watch a tutorial sounds too much like work.

My assumption was that they were in two different malls, and Arrow's mall didn't have "demographic issues", or not at least to the same degree.

I keep watching this nonsense, with some sort of hope that it might get better and maybe catch a glimmer of what it once was. But after that tres bizarre episode with the sucky face in the hot tub, I'm now officially off the train. If I want to watch some low-concept reality show with phony drama, I'll put it on Fox. Trump has clearly checked out of this show, so what's the point of even watching? If he's not invested in it, why should anyone else be?

The Apprentice used to be a quality show with high production values, and maybe even a useful tidbit of life lesson every now and again. Now ... geez louise.

Aww, I thought Tim and Nicole were cute! Suriya has got to go...he scared me when he was whining about almost getting fired last week.

Maybe the tent city game will make it even easier for everybody next time by having only 2 choices.

This is a lot like real life. In office environments, you don't often hear someone providing a glowing review of his or her boss, no matter how capable that boss may be. Usually workers feel their talents are underappreciated and feel they should have a similar position/status as their boss, so they'll try to denigrate their bosses wherever possible. This happens weekly on the Apprentice. I can't really trust anything negative that is said about a PM.

I consider myself a good leader, but I don't know how well I would fare in a PM role on this show. I'm sure someone would have a problem with one or two of my character traits or management decisions, just like in real life. It's virtually impossible to keep all your workers happy and respecting you, even if your skills are sound, your decisions are strong, and your projects are successful.

Spanish-language issue aside, I think the fundamental problem was those kiosks. Malls have been overtaken by them, and you can't get from Macy's to Sears without being accosted by flat irons, heated neck warmers, Pro Active solutions, hairpieces, and really atrocious art. Anyone who goes to a mall probably has experienced the overly assertive hawker, who is so annoying and pushy that it detracts from your shopping experience (whatever that may be). Doesn't matter if the shopper is English-speaking, Spanish-speaking, or a martian. Whatever the language, many people go out of their way to avoid this type of sales spiel.

Aimee is from Chicago and may not be familiar with California's potential mall demographics. Where I live there is a Filipino mall and also a Hispanic mall and an Afro-American mall (I don't mean any of this in a derogatory fashion). Also, although Priceline is an Internet entity, not everyone uses a computer. There are many reasons why people might not want to be sidetracked by a promotion. The team didn't lose by all that much and the overall results of both teams show consistency, regardless of which mall was appointed, so I don't know that the language barrier was even a legitimate cause of the loss. I also keep in mind that many people probably tune out the kiosks, more so with stands that are attempting to corral customers who are going about their shopping.

Now, I have to say that I thought Frank was drawing a picture of himself. It was the teeth that did it. But who can blame him for this childish antic? Surya is a pain in the ass, rattling off his bizspeak with some soi-disant intellect and assumed business superiority.

So we finally got find out that the "other" blonde, the one with no name, was Jenn. And she almost got fired and she isn't very interesting so finding out her identity didn't really add much enjoyment to the game.

I was uncomfortable with the way Tim was handling Nicole's face, and then I had to see it twice. This poolside moment a deux would only have been truly rewarding had they gone off into the bushes and had a go that Tim later discussed on national television. This is, as has been borne out on other reality races, a nifty way to raise ratings and incite scurrilous gossip.

Don't really care that Aimee got fired, and yet I wonder in whom I am invested, if anyone.

Was it just me, or was the announcing of the results w/ Trump & DJ incredibly slow & awkward? There seemed to be huge pauses and not a whole lot of excitement. Also, surfing lessons and a nice meal for a reward? Um...'kay.

I don't know, I'm finding it difficult to muster up any enthusiasm about the entire episode. Watching Frankie Suits be goofy and mock Surya was fun, but somehow stupefying that a 'professional' is acting like that (yeah, yeah, I know - nobody ever said Frankie Suits is a professional, and probably anybody who calls himself Frankie Suits should be sent to back to the Bronx from whence he came). Surya just weirds me out, and Tim&Nicole...ugh. [/shudder]

When the Priceline exec was checking out the Kinetic booth, did I see Aimee standing in the background while Heidi walked him through it? I couldn't tell if it was her or Angela (they were both wearing the same horrible shirt), but it looked like she was just standing there, staring off into space. Filling out the forms on computers is a TERRIBLE idea! Not everyone can type quickly and accurately, so that's going to slow down the line right there, and if you've only got two terminals, the wait will be that much longer. Buy a bunch of clipboards, run off several hundred entry forms, and let people have at it. Common sense, people. Simple common sense. Still, At The End of the Day (used w/ permission from TA), it had to have been the lack of translators that lost Kinetic the task, because Arrow got only 33 more entries. There had to have easily been that many people who walked away from the Kinetic booth because they didn't understand what was going on.

Such a lackluster ep. I can't even work up enough energy to make fun of Surya's eyepopping tirade against....something.

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Donald Jr blamed Jenn and Derek for not alerting Aimee to the 50% hispanic population in the mall. Aimee then said she didn't notice the people in the mall. Donald Sr ignored everyone and went right after Aimee for her failure to lead and failure to notice Hispanics in the mall. AFTER which, she said she had noticed. I think Trump noticed she's a liar. She was a zombie both times as team leader. When fired, she went stark-raving mad. Bi-polar maybe?

Jacob asked :
What? You don't like episodes that stereotype the "Latino people"?

erazor said:
What a bunch of media whores! Picture things from Tim/Nichole's perspective...there's a guy standing there with a big ole camera on his shoulder with lights pointing at them... and they make out? yuck.

I don't think there was a cameraman there - I didn't see the view from the camera moving about, so it was probably a stationary camera (but I could be wrong).

I don't particularly like anyone on Kinetic right now, but I can't see Surya winning again as PM. Wonder who the next winning PM will be.

My complete thoughts, reflecting the entire epiosde, extended footage and webisode:

This task for Priceline.com came down to one key element that Aimee in particular overlooked until it was too late to do anything: The mall had a 50% Hispanic customer base with most of those speaking spanish. That, right there was the fatal blow for Aimee, who clearly was teed off at what happened after being "fired" both in her ride in the limosine and in the exit interview. While Jenn and Derek didn't relay to Aimee how many of the customers that were Hispanic, however, it really was something Aimee should have figured out on her own.

Aside from that, Aimee and Kinetic did an excellent job with their setup, and they did such an excellent job on that end that had Aimee realized how much of the customer base in the mall only spoke spanish, Kinetic would likely have won this easily, though Derek and Muna nearly were able to win anyway.

Surya meanwhile was determined to do everything possible to win the task for Arrow, and while some may not have liked how he did it, it was very effective, though Frank in particular was a big reason as well as to why Arrow won by bringing in women to where they were set up. Arrow also did an excellent job, and Surya redeemed himself by winning this task as PM although it seemed not everyone was pleased Surya was getting credit for the win as PM even though he did lead the team to victory.

Getting back to Aimee, in her exit interview she did say in spite of what happened, she was very fortunate to have done the show and really enjoyed the experience.

Yet another excellent episode.

. Since the task's purpose was getting those scores in, an impediment one team had over the other decided this one. If we assume that Arrow had no spanish only speaking people, then the ones that Kinetic had, slowed the process down (which might've been mitigated better, but still, having to help someone file an online form takes time). And when we're talking about a difference of 20 or so applications(anyone remember the exact scores) They picked that mall for a reason, the team that had the higher win/loss ration was picked for it for a reason. I think the whole exercise was just a rigged contest, barring a major shut down on Arrow. This was they can have some Happy Arrow shots, which we're offensively bad.

Trying to find something nice to say . . . well, it was the first time all season that all three people in the Boardroom deserved to be there.

Aimee has terrible leadership skills. The rest of Kinetic has terrible following skills. They have pretty much decided that Heidi is awesome and it will take a lot of effort for anyone else to lead them anywhere.

Could Derek have said the word "obvious" more in the Boardroom? If there were an actual person, instead of a toupee, on the other side of the table, he would have responded to Derek's constant repetition of the word by saying that one of the best things a person can do in business is to state the obvious if there were any doubt that the people in charge might now know it. Leaders are often justifiably preoccupied, and a good subordinate will do what is necessary to make sure that the obvious is not met.

That being said, the dead silence from both teams in the Boardroom and obvious contempt both teams had for their project managers was palpable. It was actually hard to see what Arrow was doing, let alone what they were doing right. Kinetic's mall simply seemed to be dead to traffic.

And yet. And yet. How stupid do you have to be not to ask immediately upon being sent somewhere in LA what the linguistic makeup of the population is? Or not to notice that, for instance, signs are in Spanish? A pox on them all, and double for Trump.

Junior's comment that the choice was obvious indicates that he will be a fine sycophant all his life, too. Which may explain why Ivanka isn't around. She seems to have a brain.

Wallyhorse, are you The Donald?

I'm kidding, but seriously, this show is horrible. What kind of a sales contest was this? Why not market the web site, Priceline.com, by having people go online, create an account and receive an entry for signing up? They did something similar to that in a previous season. The producers must have a deal with a party supply store, because every project seems to utilize theme-party decor.

Frank, with his big cheesy grin, needs to get off my screen. Notice the one woman at the mall didn't even want to take his arm and walk with him. What was with the drawing on the napkin? 'Tee hee, look at me! I'm the class clown!'

Surya knows nothing about actually managing a team, but he's got the buzz words and phrases down pat.

I am dyin' to know what Aimee said as she got into the getaway car.

Hee! That is a good point. Always good to look on the bright side of things.

Other slightely positive remark was that Donald Jr. did alright as a Viceroy. He could afford to quit yelling all the time, and the fact that he didn't even watch the task annoyed me, but at least I understood his points. It was better then watching Sean ramble and be a kick-ass last week.

Oh lord, Lambchop, you're right -- she was attacked by sucking jellyfish at *both* ends today!

When we hit the boardroom for results we said, "what coould possibly take so long to fire Aimee!?"

Then we were "treated" to ACW love footage. Oy.

It was 359 to 326 people for the sign up (yeah, I'm a sad sad person...)

And I think that pink octopus would have really won it for Kinetic. (snerk).

But I believe this nearness does show that if they had even just had a couple extra spanish-speaking people (which the mall must have on had if they're 50% hispanic), or one terminal running the spanish sign in, they would have easily won the task, because it looked like they had the crowd, just not the millstone to turn them through fast enough.

And yes, Aimee had to go, but really, either Derek or Jenn should have said on the pre-day task "Hey, what if we...", even if they didn't want to report that 50% number. Maybe they were scheming to get rid of her and thus purposely withheld information, with their fallback position that "hey, look at the food court!" to find safety in why they didn't offer that number. They should have still offered the idea (And since it sounds like they had extra cash for that, do it, it's not like you're going to see a profit. play to freakin' win, people!).

I've only seen the last couple of episodes, so sorry if I'm asking the obvious (Derek). What's with Donald Jr.'s hair? Is awful hair some sort of Trump trademark? Could the man look any more smug and entitled?

How do we know there will be a double firing in two weeks?

I was surprised to see Derek in the boardroom because it seems to me that there was no chance whatsoever of Derek being fired. He was instrumental in the bee task, and wasn't he the one that the Priceline guy "noticed in a good way"? (Or was that Frankie? I'm still trying to keep them all straight).

Frank seems like a fun guy in a sort of "crazy uncle" way. Not sure that I'd want to spend 8 hours a day in an office with him, but he's certainly energetic.

For all his relentless and annoying babbling, I thought Surya was correct about Arrow's problems, in that there are lots of big picture thinkers, with everyone working on everything. He still bugs the crap out of me, though.

Sorry, I can't figure out what "ACW" means.

Since the rules were changed this season,teams now have very strong reasons to sabotage their PMs. If the PM keeps winning, the team members are denied a chance to prove themselves as PM. (No one other than Heidi has been PM on Kinetic at this point.) It's making the show really ugly, imho. The teams nominate the people they dislike as PM, and then don't make much attempt to win the task. I don't think we'll see a 4-win streak or even a 3-win streak this season.

I was hoping for all 3 to be fired. There have been multiple double-firings and one quadruple-firing but no triple-firing.

A couple thoughts:

1. Main Place is an afterthought of a mall. It is B level stores (if you will) and never had much foot traffic even during Christmas (it was my favorite mall for last minute gifts). Most foot traffic went to South Coast Plaza or the Outdoor Mall in Orange. Interesting choice of venue. Not sure where Arrow was.
2. I avoid kiosks like the plague when shopping: I am there for something in a specific store (or stores) and do not want to waste time hearing sales pitches. Yes they promised you will win but so does everyone else. And Frankie? You bug. A LOT! Like unto an Amway or Quixtar rep.
3. Aimee screwed up by NOT leading. At all. Her firing was a good thing.

IMO, Surya had a a lot to do with Arrow's win even if it wasn't shown. He delegated well and had each team member think hard about their own task. This was a team that was too laid back and made mistakes before Surya got there. Even in the tour bus guide challenge, Tim was an idiot, James was too hyper and Stephanie saved the day. Kinetic just fell apart and practically gave the win to Arrow. I know Surya speaks in a way that is mocked by his team but I feel he was not an absentee PM in the least. When they showed him being ignored by some potential customers, that does not mean it was like that for him the entire day. Also, he is being followed around by a cameraman. Some people do not want to be on TV or on camera being filmed. Even though they are not told it is for The Apprentice, they have to assume someone will be watching. Frank did well selling on this task but he was an awful PM and his team lost. Funny, how he can mock another PM during a brainstorming session. With cameras watching them, Tim and Nicole seemed to be trying out for the "Real World." I am now convinced Tim really wants to be an actor (we just witnessed his love scene) and is playing to the camera. Nicole-she is thrilled that Tim likes her and her coyness just does not ring true. Anyway, get a room you two. The Kinetic members that are praising Heidi in the boardroom when they do not need to are dumb. They did not need to praise her while they were trying to get rid of Aimee. Aimee, as was posted earlier, did it all by herself when she said she has a different team than the one Heidi had. What was she thinking? Letting Trump know you can't manage your team.

I often wonder when it comes down to the number of sales like on this task, if they all come in together to the boardroom, doesn't one member of one team say to another member of the opposing team, what were the number of sales you had? I would think it would take a team thirty seconds to find out and yet they all act as if they won in the boardroom and are surprised when they haven't. It seems they are told to act this way for a surprise factor to the audience watching. Unless, they have strict guidelines not to speak to each other about their results.

Although I think this season is shaping up to be better than last season, it's still nothing to get excited about.

This is the second week in a row that Aimee was an ineffective PM, but this time her team was incapable of bailing her out. As for the controversial Hispanic demographic subject, I think both parties were culpable. Derek and Jenn could've told her about the potential problem they may have, and Aimee could've taken action to try to overcome the obstacle once she did find out. Having said that, I do think she got a bit of a raw deal here. Seeing how the team seems to worship the ground Heidi walks on, Aimee could've been the consummate PM and it still wouldn't have mattered much. Her post-firing ride was good for a laugh or two, though.

I wish they would've focused a little more on the task than show Tim and Nicole's little make out session in the pool, but that would be giving Burnett and co. too much credit.

What's with the rotation viceroys this season, especially when some of them weren't even present for the task? It looks like when the show returns in two weeks, Randal will get his shot. I don't think we'll be seeing Kelly and/or Kendra as a viceroy anytime soon, however. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Andy were to be a viceroy at some point this season.

Well, that was 50 minutes of bore, and 10 minutes of snore -- literally. Can someone give me a quick recap of the last 10 minutes. I woke up just after DT declared Aimee fired. I'm sure I didn't miss much, right?

So what was DT's quick business trip? Was it to go to NYC to pick up DT Jr.?

Has this show become so bad that NO viceroys are on hand during a task?

Please tell me that that is not the show's title. I wasn't able to find it anywhere. I'm assuming Jacob is having some fun at DT's expense.