Merged threads.

Very good episode:

It looked like early on Kinetic was going to lose easily, while Arrow was looking to win easily, only to have it turn out that Arrow imploded as the task went on and it was clearly obvious Aaron deserved to go.

Aimee who?

This episode bugged.

I have one word to describe Suriya: ABSURD

Eee! I heart Tim and Nicole.

EnragedSurya was freakin' hilarious. "I want to break something".

Amy made a complete ass of herself in the BR.

There is still one girl on Kinetic I don't know.

I thought it was highly unfair that Kinetic got to use Amanda's gold medal to their marketing advantage.

Arrow is awesome. I loved the TomFoolery on the production line.

Ugh. Sean two weeks in a row, and he got to run part of the BR? Carolyn didn’t even get to do that until a few seasons in. Note to Sean: Carolyn or George NEVER took notes while they were being Trump’s eyes and ears. You are no viceroy.

Aaron didn’t have a chance. This BR was more or less a continuation of last week’s BR, as Trump had it in for him from the get-go.

Trump was surprised about Aaron bringing Nicole in. I couldn’t think of a third person. I wonder who Trump had in mind?

Aimee read the BR well, or I should say Trump well. As soon as Trump said Aaron was too quiet, she let loose. And then when Trump said she was too much, she held back. Sean should have been fired. He didn’t say much either.

And thank you Trump for being inappropriate as usual about Tim and Nicole.

On the whole, I was bored with the show. Not much excitement at all.

And lastly, Trump for President? Someone must have paid that loser to hold that sign up.

Dear NBC... when the stupid little "who should go to tent city" thing includes members of one team (with one exception) it makes it waaaaaay too obvious who loses.

Dear Promo Monkeys... see above with your next week poolside nonsense.

And a note to James and Nicole... inside voices!

I don't think I can watch this show any further. I thought Trump was completely rude and obnoxious in the boardroom and there is no way in hell I'd ever work for someone like that. I love how he criticized Aaron's performance in the boardroom, but then critiqued Amy's performance. Geez, Trump, what the hell do you want? At least Amy caught the clue-by-fours and responded accordingly.

And for as many times as Trump used the word "ass", it was too bad he never called himself that. At least that would have been an honest moment.

Suriya certainly is a motor-mouth. If anything, next week, he'll get fired for talking too much. But, Aaron didn't seem to be very effective to me. He never offered anything at the planning session to quiet Suriya; he looked bored to tears. Stephanie gives him the tray to drum up business and he sets it down, waiting for customers to come to him. He should have been at the front door giving samples and patter. I really thought the samples would boost Arrows sales.

What will Sue Bee do with the unsold bottles of honey? Try to sell them with "As Seen On The Apprentice" signs?

Suriya was so annoying. First the pep talk when he came over, then the marketing 101 lecture that led nowhere. He was lucky that Aaron was marginally worse. Though Amy, you shouldn't throw stones when you were as guilty and I personally think worse then he was. You were lucky that your team worked their buts off despite you.

This episode answered one question though, Angela is able to use her Olympic status to help.

Go Stefani! The previews made is seem like she ran off and hid, but she faced her fears and until Suriya showed up she was working the sales.

Frank, ah Frank. You are growing on me. So goofy, he's charming. Not the Apprentice, but a nice guy.

Where to begin:

1. The PM from the winning team - Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she suck? Because I think I remember witnessing a whole lot of suckage. So, if in fact she did suck, why was she acting like she was the best PM evah to PM?

2. Frankie - Seriously, how old are you? "Ask him if he'd marry her." What a tool.

3. Aaron's team lost because of sales. So, why is only one person from the sales team in the conference room? What is with the way these peopel are choosing the peopel to go in to the conference room???

4. Okay, the crush thing? Lame. Nicole is annoying and hyper and loud and Tim is a doof.

The whole show has spiraled in to a circus with nothing but clowns on both teams.

That's Trump for you. I thought it was ridiculous when Trump was going on about unimportant gossip with Tim and Nicole, and then when Aaron was trying to explain his reasoning for bringing Nicole in, Trump turns to him and says that what he's talking about is a lot more interesting than what Aaron is trying to say. What a fucking tool.

So, Aaron's too quiet, so Trump targets him - Aaron talks, Trump puts him down. I really don't understand that asshole sometimes. And he called Surya, Syria. No words.

Why not Nicole? I was surprised Suriya didn't bring up the fact she (and the Harvard guy) sold nothing. Walking in off the street and offering to sell people unlabled cardboard boxes for 30 bucks is an awful strategy. No wonder that guy in the convenience store was yelling at them.

He certainly was all about the asses this week.

I'm pleased to see a do-nothing PM finally being sent home. I just wish it had occurred when Nicole was PM, so we could avoid this romance BS. I admit with chagrin that I found Sean and Tammy mildly entertaining, but that was only because Tammy was so classy and charming in the face of Sean's unending buffoonery. Nicole and Tim are neither classy nor charming, and I do not want to see them making out, NBC.

They should have put mango and papya in the honey.

This was a terrible episode. I agree with the person that said it was obvious who won in the first 5 minutes of the show. The Tentcity crap is retarded. Does Trump think the viewers are stupid?

Second, Aimee should not be talking. Does she honestly think she was any better as a PM? They won because of Angela's Olympic status.

Third, I get it Trump. Aaron didn't speak a lot during last week's episode. Thanks for telling me the obvious over and over again. And kudos to the poster who said Sean should have been fired. He didn't even talk as well.

Yet another bright and shining episode showing that Trump is a disgusting individual. I hate being able to call who is going home within the first 10 minutes.

Was I the only one with their fingers crossed saying "Please don't let the reward be ______ with the laker girls, please don't let the reward be _______ with the laker girls....."?

"Why Nicole?"
"Well Mr. Trump I didn't really-"
"So are you two gonna get married, ya he won't stop talking...wanna dump the zero and get with this hero?"

How hard is the concept that he felt there wasn't really a good third choice so he just chose someone? To Trump apprently...very hard.

Now for some love.

I loved Steffani as always cause she owns everything she does.

I loved Derek in the bee costume.

I love the random customer who said "I'll buy some just cause you're wearing that" Because that's totally something I would do.

I love the convience store guy who looked like he was ready to beat their asses.

And most of all I love the closeup while Tim is talking about how much he likes Nicole that is pretty much focused on his hand on her leg and "Sqeeze bottle" is on the box in the backround. Something poetic there.

Okay, several thoughts.

1. Anybody else kinda wanting a double-cobra, Aaron and Surya? Maybe not? Anyway, this was definitely a loss where the majority of faults point to a problem with the PM... even though the other PM, Aimee, totally sucked harder. (Muna grumbling to Derek while pulling out boxes of honey? Priceless!)

2. Speaking of Derek, you gotta figure that his beekeeper shtick and selling on Angela's Olympian status totally saved Kinetic's collective rear.

3. I hate to say it, but James is starting to grow on me... just a little. I still hate the obnoxious voice, but his wanting to tell Surya to put the whole thing into English... ITA.

4. How about the look on Nicole's face in the van when Tim touched/punched her leg there? I thought it was kind of a "Oh God, I can't believe he just did that on TV" look.

5. And as far as looks go, Derek and The Blonde Clone With The Glasses ™ (at least, I think it was with the glasses, most of them run together any more) talking about how bad Aimee was, and how if they won she'd continue as PM? Absolutely laugh out loud funny, IMO.

Have you ever asked yourself after watching an episode "what's it take? what on earth does it take to make me stop watching this horror?"

Now I know. Yes this little Heebie of a Jeebie finally had it up to the neck of his honey jar. It wasn't bad enough that collecting the honey had nothing to do with the task. That Trump can't afford two people to kep tabs on the asskissers. That Trump immediately pegs Aaron for ousting the next time he is in the boardoom the minute the asskissers all come together in front of him again. It wasn't even the really, really sad moment when Trump tried to make us believe he is relevant with his public appearance and smugfest at what looked like a Best Buy Employee of the Year gathering at the Mall of America.

But somewhere in between immediately reminding Aaron he was going no matter who was to blame (thankfully he was for the msot part); the fact that we get another round of "opposite of whatever I said last week" (seriously anyone want to take a bet that it will be the person in charge of marketing that goes next boardroom?); the silly promos that continue to spoil anything at all that is supposed to hold some sort of suspense -- nice poolage there and the realization that not even the sick look on Aimee's face when Trump let her hang herself in the boardroom when she tried to be the anti-Aaron could make this show even remotely watchable anymore. Somewhere in there, I lost my Apprentice groove.

So goodbye Surya. I will miss seeing you try to use all those big alternative phrases and all that silly jargon to try and embolden your image as an expert -- though I so wanted to hear him say something along the lines of John Oliver's piece on The Daily Show. Had he turned to James and said something like "We must disimagine the very thinkments of misunsuccessiveness. That is what we have to bedo." I would be on for another week.

Goodbye Frank (who I predict will weep like a baby when he gets the toss), Goodbye James (who I almost regret not sticking around to watch if he makes it to the final six or so as I will just laugh my ass off seeing him reduced to using one of those voice box thingies against the hole they will have to cut in his throat -- but I won't miss mistaking him for Nicole). Goodbye Tim and Nicole, whose coupling will add years to the lining of my esophagus. Goodbye Derek. Who sucks at marketing as much as Surya does and has to be the least witty televised gays of all time. Thank you so much for lowering the curve. Goodbye Heidi. I hope you win. A fake job is about all you can handle. Goodbye Steph, I hope you don't because you deserve better and I hate to know what Trump will make you do if you can't at least pretend to monitor the next batch of silly famewhores. Goodbye the rest of you whose names I don't know. Oops. Except Aimee. Who forgot that Trump is a huge chauvinistic pig and coming off as a agenda-driven harpy only works when you are screeching at another woman so Trump can squint his beady eyes (more than he usually does that is) and pretend he is watching a cat fight

BOO! Stop trying to kill the pretty on this show! Evil Trump!

I can't believe the brilliant strategy of selling honey at GAS STATIONS didn't work.

There are about 3 things you buy at the gas station, that aren't gas. Beer. Cigarettes. And cat food- just enough to keep you from having to hit the grocery store that day.

HONEY? Oh my oh my. These people are just painfully stupid. But here's me, watching them, so...

It was stupid, in my opinion, to have harvesting the honey be part of the task. It added nothing to the show. Speaking of things that added nothing to the show, why were we subjected to another week of Sean, the human oil slick? Stop the madness, Trump.

Trump fired the right person for the wrong reason. Trump was so horrible about Aaron's not speaking up in the boardroom last week that I almost wanted him to stay in spite of the fact that he really should have been fired. In all the tasks that Aaron won, it was only because other team members were coming up with ideas and he basically told them to go with it. I didn't see any project managing on his part - just on the part of his teammates.

Surya should not have gone because he definitely got the loser's edit last week, and his team pushed him aside this week. What we didn't see last week is that Surya actually managed to organize Arrow so that they thought things through and had a good strategy. This task he tried to do the same, but they were shutting him out. Maybe if they didn't shut him out this week as they did last week, they would have won again.

Notice the big difference in the tenting area when Arrow left it and when Kinetic left it? It was actually clean when Kinetic left it.

Actually, I liked this ep. For me, this was a totally unpredictable outcome - I thought Kinetics, with Aimee's poor leadership, will lose.
I totally don't like Trump encouraging Tim and Nicole to "go for it". That's cheap. That kiss in the next ep will not, IMO, make either of them the next Apprentice, but it could result in some offers from the shady porno producers.
Aaron - I think he missed his chance to show off his talents. May be he doesn't have any? He is cute, arrogant, with very poor leadership skills and overall mediocre performance.
Aimee - I wish she had as much fire as a PM as she had in the BR tonight. I think she does not stand a chance to advance much further in this competition - her performance seems to be mediocre, and she is disliked by the team. Besides, she lacks in the looks department - Trump already doesn't like her.

Wait a minute, the reward, you get to "play" basketball with the LA Lakers without Kobe Bryant? And Aimee, could she have more of an agenda in the BR? Goodness, it was like a nightmare for Aaron, why was Suriya able to constantly ask for Aimee's backup for his brilliance.

But what really stood out for this episode was the attitude of not attempting to win. It was like first season, the teams worked to the very end (except Omarosa).

This show makes me a little stupider every week for watching it. At least two contestants remind me of that guy Matthew Lesko who wears the suit and screams in his commercials about getting money from the government. That number should be zero. STOP YELLING AT ME, James, Frank!

Nicole sounds like Elaine Stritch. She must be a two-pack-a-day gal. (Ciggies, not beer.)

Oh and Trump, the Lakers have not won more championships than anyone else. That would be the Boston Celtics (16). I'll give Trump a pass on this one, since currently the Celts are on a mission to lose as many games as possible this season.

And why so much Sean? So sycophantic.

I forgot to throw in a huge WTF about Aimee and whoever the other blonde was helping her with marketing and the name of the honey they came up with? "Suzie Homemaker Bee honey" or something like that?

Talk about missed possibilities. Imagine if this had been one of those episodes where Trump shakes the teams up. We could have had Aimee and other Marketing Blonde genius paired with Tim and Nicole whose idea of selling honey was to gas stations. Those four put their heads together and they might have come up with "Barefoot and Pregnant" honey.

Just for that dumbass name alone, had I been Trump and watched any of the footage prior to the boardroom, I would have consulted the shows lawyers to make sure it was possible and then had a special session and fired Aimee and her cohort just for that idiocy alone. and Surya for his maximizing assets snip to James about making money.

...and tents to go with the circus!
My ears didn't deceive me. Thanks for the confirmation, Stinger97. The other thing my ears heard was Trump referring to the bees as killer bees. I'm no bee expert, but I don't think the killing variety are for honey production.

Upon further reflection, since we had to sit through the honey harvesting that had nothing to do with the task, I wished more Apprenti got stung.

double hee!

I wish the Apprenti somehow carried bees into the board room on their clothing and the bees stung Trump.

Nerdlust must be stopped. And soon. I might have felt differently if I had liked either of them.

Basketball apparently isn't Angela's game. Buy a ______ from an Olympian should not be allowed again.

Heidi didn't have any problems fading into the background and being a... worker bee.

Score one for the "goofy costume as sales tactic" tactic. Right, Marisa?

Making the hamsters manufacture what they sold was again a waste of time. It didn't make sense in season 2 with the chocolate bars, either. With how the previews were last week made it seem like we were to expect an ER visit at least. And honey really didn't make sense as a California product as I've never associated the two. Wine or oranges would have been more of a natural connection.

It's kind of interesting to know that performance as viceroy is being judged as well. Aimee may have been too aggressive, whateverhis name who got fired tonight too quiet, Heidi maybe just right.

And in a random honey related thing, during a trip to the boondocks of Taiwan, the people there sold jars of honey... with dead bees floating inside the jars. Apparently that guarantees they're fresh or something. Talk about branding.

Does Trump own the Lakers? What the hell is with all the Laker girl pimping? Enough already with the shitty rewards. Is that the best they can come up with in LA?

This has never happened to me before while watching this show, but for some inexplicable reason I adore Surya and I really want him to go far. Well, I want him to win, but I guess he won't based on Trump's comment that he barely escaped tonight. But I think he's a superstar. I didn't think that his branding jargon was that bad. It's human nature that if you're good at something, you'll tend to go off on a tangent about it.

Given his anger, I doubt he'll win. But wouldn't it be awesome if he punched Trump before he left?

Didn't Aimee tell Suriya over the tree row that she'd have his back in the boardroom? She certainly kept her promise. It's a bit unseemly, tho, for the PM of one "company" to defend an executive of another "company" so vociferously even if he is a former employee.

When Surya got all buggy and freaked out I thought he resembled Josh Blue (from Last Comic Standing) with a really intense tan.

Trump's kind of butchy with his rewards, no?

Mr. Talabone said the same thing. What the hell are 6 girls and a gay guy going to do with the Lakers?

Gah. I'm trying very hard to lay off the Kobe Bryant rape jokes, here. But it's not easy.

They did go to the spa this year, and they have bought jewelry before, but overall there are far more typically male rewards than female ones I think.

He is in "sales", but what he does is sell condos to senior citizens. He even admits himself (in his audition video) that he is successful because he looks and acts like everyone's dream grandson. So he probably doesn't have to work too hard at it.

Stefani's the only one I remotely care about. When she's gone, I'm signing off for the season.

Yet another example of Trump's amazing tendency to re-write history.

Actually, it's even worse than it could be: Trump said "the L.A. Lakers have won 14 championships..." Actually, the L.A. Laker have won just nine; the Minneapolis Lakers (which eventually re-located to L.A.) won the first five.

How nice it must be to have the "If I say it, it is so" power; he could be the next character on Heroes!

I'm sure Trump's tight with Jerry Buss, who is Heff without the magazine.



To be fair, at most Kinetic was only there for one or two nights.

No kidding. What are the others supposed to do? "Buy honey from a lawyer!" WTF? I'd be crying foul if I were them, these people are supposed to be pretty anonymous when they are on tasks, right? What are the rules about that? If they had a task where they tried to get celebrities to donate stuff, could Derek call up all his old clients and be like "yo, buddy, I need a favor"?

Ridiculous. If only Derek and Angela had waited another hour. I like them both, but I am actually liking the kids on Arrow a lot more, and it sucked to see Aaron go. Aimee should have been gone, and if not her, Surya hasn't done crap the last two episodes. He talks a big talk but fails in execution, if he executes at all, and he's a big baby to boot. Talking with Derek like that to make sure Aimee was on his side, and then talking about not being able to "trust" Arrow?? Good strategy, but man, he's either an entitled ass or he's getting a bad edit.

I've given up on finding out who the hell Jenn and Muna are. Five episodes and I still don't know anything about them. Kristen too. Is that her name? I'm good with names, but not this good.

Kinetic's personalities, except for Derek and Angela (though, again, BS on the whole "Buy Honey, Meet an Olympian" marketing ploy), just make me want to rant.

Tim could do better than Nicole. Like, Stefani. And what was with Aaron not blaming Tim and Nicole for not getting any bulk sales? I hope he did manage to get that across to Trump, that neither of them sold a dime. It wasn't such a dumb move bringing Nicole in, though it did seem like Aaron did a fine job delegating (from my understanding of it, he delegated Tim and Nicole to bulk sales, Surya to marketing, Stefani, James and Frankie to different stations around the store... what's so difficult about all of that to understand?) and Nicole hung him out to dry.

Wow, I guess I liked Aaron more than I thought. It's rare when the Apprentice gets this long of a tyrade from me. I stopped caring with the whole Randal/Rebecca fiasco.

I liked the smackdown Trumpy gave Aimee when he said, "she's being really tough on you, even though she was almost fired last week." Thank you, Trumpy. Aimee's arrogance was really bugging.

She sucked as PM, and the only reason she got to sit beside Trumpy in the BR is because her team carried her. Remember when they were prepping the display, and she said something about making coffee? Yeah, that's a big help, Aimee....

I also liked seeing Frank and Tim goofing around on the assembly line. They made me laugh, even though I still think Frank's a tool, and Tim must have a hearing problem if he doesn't know that Nicole's louder than those air sirens they use at football games.

I'm beginning to think Frank should win. He'd be the perfect lapdog for Trumpy.

But I think Aaron was the right choice to get fired. Since when does standing around and staring qualify as "selling?"

If you ever go on Apprentice and get assigned to do sales -- and you don't sell much -- just blame it on the marketing person.

I'm missing George and Caroline. Without them, Trump seems to be operating in an alternate reality from what we are being shown in the show editing- such as his enthusiasm last week about Surya causing Arrow's win, when the footage shows Surya being a motormouth who might have lost them the task by refusing to do bulk marketing.
This season Trump seems to have very distorted ideas of the Apprenti, and he's also much ruder. I wonder if he'd be politer if George were watching.

Just wait. I'll bet they'll have a wine task -- and one of the geniuses will come up with "orange and mango wine."

Sheesh! I would've been so mad if I spent four hours collecting honey from a bunch of bees swarming around my lambie head, and I came back and found Aimee and the other girl staring at each other and saying, "We haven't done anything. We couldn't decide what to name the honey." WTF???

I'm hoping the preview footage of Tim giving Nicole mouth to mouth resuscitation is from last week when they were in the mansion as to not give away who wins next week (seriously, that's a really stupid spoiler if they let that stay in the promo).

Maybe I'm in the minority to some extent, but while the honey harvesting and the bottling were completely pointless to the task (though I wonder if that spilt honey should have contributed to the total net sales), I think to some extent it's helpful to have the experience of something that you've likely never done and will never do again, and that you plan to be selling so you could, if asked, explain how it gets from point A to point Z. Similar to how they did some tasks in earlier seasons (the donut ice cream one, for example, or the candy bar one). But again, the performance of those tasks should have come into play, maybe each team only had 4 hours to gather as much honey and thus could only attempt to bottle that much honey, and sell what was ever successfully bottled...

I love, LOVE it when the show is done with the task before the :30 mark. I love drama! really really!

What annoyed me the most about this episode and two weeks ago is Sean's viceroy status when he'd been Apprentice for a week or ten days at the most when this was shot! I get that he's Trump's "eyes and ears" (sure you don't want the lips too, Donald? They stretch from here to London), but he just comes across as holier-than-thou, especially with the whole Silent Aaron thing. Jerkoff.

I hope Aimee goes next week (and thanks to the preview monkeys, that's a distinct possibility!). Not only was she an ineffective PM, but defending Surya in the BR because of his status as a former Kinetic member was giantly uncool in my book. Plus Surya's a baby for not having the balls to fight his own battle without turning to a former teammate for help (and also for being fundamentally incapable of speaking in anything resembling common English).


Why, Aimee? What's it going to do? Idiot.

Trump, you're off my Christmas card list for firing the pretty. Who am I supposed to look at now, Frank & his ugly, fat face? I think not. Tim is contaminated by Evil!Nicole, who I now officially despise (reversing my former position of thinking her honest & straightforward - that smirk when Aaron got into the waiting car gave it all away).

Simdude said:



"first 10 minutes". Try the first 1 minute. The telegraphed that Aaron would be fired from the scenes from last week; "you aren't saying anything aaron".

Trump "I'll fire your ass", "I'll fire his ass"... how many times did he say "ass"?

I just loved Stepford Wife Supermarket Aimee contrasted to Bitchy Boardroom Aimee. In the first there was a yawn and little apprehension of what the task required, and in the second, ZINGO! Lights on! Hardass rhetoric! It's as she she'd watched this show in the past, but only for the last ten minutes. Then Trump puts the Thrump on her scraggly head: All bitch is too much bitch. So she is good at two things--zoning out and playing forward. Except when she plays b-ball.

Was kind of pleased by the camaraderie at the honey plant between Frank and Tim. The foul-up on the filling line is just the kind of thing that would have caused backbiting and tension in most other team situations. I liked that it was handled with humor and good nature. This shows a nice facet of Frank's personality as far as working within a team goes.

Surya sure does jabber, almost to the point of it being a verbal tic. He is getting a bit of the buffoon edit normally reserved for people with mismatched ties, slobby stomachs, and outer borough provenances. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

Since the task is over halfway through the hour, the editing is such that we--as someone posted above--have no familiarity with certain of the contestants; this seems unfair at this stage of the game. If these contestants contribute anything of value, we don't see it.

Aaron was really just a lump, but he wasn't any worse than Aimee. Mistakes or oversights were made on both teams, probably to equal degree. The marketing/ad people always forget that sales is the bottom line and waste far too long dicking about with names and labels. I mean, I buy the honey in the bear container because it is a bear container, but as for the rest of the honey on the shelf, there is not really much to differentiate it without something more than cursory investigation. This really was one of those cut to the chase events where the only gimmickry that worked was the white suit. Likely the difference could have been made up by more aggressive in-store sampling; doubt that a banner with a meaningless phrase would have driven people to specifically stop there if they hadn't already planned the trip.

erazor said:



It's interesting that James hasn't lived up to his potential yet... the potential to be this season's crazy guy. He's obviously smart enough to tone it down. Surya and James have shown more hysteria than James.

That's kinda how I feel about seeing the task in this episode. I mean, how much sales (or lack thereof) can you realistically show? "Oooh, they're... not quite selling honey yet." How much more ineffective PM'ing can you show (or should you show)? I don't know that the honey gathering had anything to do with the selling (I'll admit to going "And WHY are they actually gathering it?"), but at least it rounded out the program. And we didn't get quite so much whining about the "Trump Trailer Park" at every step of the way, like we had the first several shows...

Imwatching, would that be including the time he told Suriya,
"You just made it by the skin of your ASS"?

The "Trump for President" sign is the reason why I am drawn to this show: pure buffoonary from The Donald.

That, and the screaming hilarity I find in all of the comments posted here.
An astute and witty forum bunch if I've ever seen one; hate the show, love the boards :)