This probably was one of the easier "firings" in the show's history. Marisa clearly was disruptive, and going back to the Playboy Mansion reward in episode two you could clearly see she was being set up.

Aaron's team did a great job on this task, and they deserved to win.

I guess the "romance" had to be edited out and will be seen in extended footage.

Edit: I couldn't find the correct title for this episode anywhere, Jacob please correct when you can find it if necessary.

What a weak episode. It was obvious from last week's previews that Arrow won and considering the only person we've seen from Kinetic besides Heidi was Marisa, it was obvious that she was getting cobra'd. Nice job, preview monkeys.

Marisa might have had a chance if she had kept her yapping more in control. And the Pollo Loco chicken idea is nothing new. Didn't Brad Pitt do that for an early job in LA? No fabulous marketing inspiration there.

There is no way The Hair will let Heidi go unless she does something very, very stupid. Which I cannot imagine her doing.

Did I miss something? I thought something shocking was supposed to happen tonight? No romance except for the Tim is cute, Nicole is smitten with him because he plays the piano segment.

Chickens on a corner was not going to help encourage people to get a bowl of chicken and fruit. I wouldn't have ordered it even if free. I do not like mango.

Marissa was doomed from the start, but she really did not know how to read a room.

I love Muna. To paraphrase, 'we may be a poor people, but we're clean.' LOVE HER!

Poor Marisa. It wasn't her fault. She had many great ideas but those chickens would have sold extra bowls. Her ideas were shot down every time, and obviously she had no other choice but to shut her mouth. Kinetic's team is filled with idiots. None of them were willing to stand up for Marisa when they knew it wasn't entirely her fault.

Did anyone hear the sales pitch for the drive through?!? They sounded like a typical telemarketer, of course I won't buy the Paradise!

Another thing, if the marketing team were sampling the bowl out and they still didn't sell that many - odds are, the bowl didn't taste good. It wasn't a marketing failure nor was it Marisa's fault.

Disappointed in Baldie's call, "everyone wanted you gone, I had no choice." Michelle and Marisa both had what it takes to make it to the final rounds of The Apprentice!

Sean as a viceroy before Randal? WTF? Maybe Randal knew the shark had jumped already too.

I was giddy when Arrow won, I think I even clapped a little bit; however, Marisa got shafted.

Her ideas about sampling at the drive thru was a good one, and I'm a little upset that she felt she couldn't contribute any more ideas but I certainly understand it. Especially with the brevity used when shutting her down.

She's been feeling the pressure since she complained last week about Heidi being PM. Ultimately based on this task along Heidi should have been fired, but her track record wouldn't allow for that.

Too bad Marisa basically took the fall for being at the wrong place in the wrong task.

Shut up, Marisa! Shut up, Shut up, Shut. Uuuuuuuuupppppp!


Beep! I think we should call it the Bravado bowl.

Beep! I think we should get someone in a chicken outfit out on the street.

Beep! I still think we should call it the Bravado bowl.

Beep! Am I creative or what?

That was the best firing ever.

Oh, and Frank? Stop trying to be the cool, macho guy with that cigar. It’s not working.

I was watching the SAG awards and flipped in for the boardroom...was Surya not in there? Did he get traded to Arrow or something? I was amazed that I didn't even know half the people on Kinetic. Not so amazed that I didn't care.

I disagree.

If 2 areas of a task fail, then that falls on the Project Manager.

The problem was the product. Mango, papya and chicken? People don't go to fast food restaurants for items like that. They staryed too far from the regular product line and couldn't sell it. The "2 chickens! 2 chickens!" idea may have seem a bit much, but it was an idea. Granted, Marisa was dead set on getting her way and it ultimately hurt the sales, but Heidi didn't seem to too concerned with the fact that she kept getting asked about the same idea over and over. In fact, Heidi didn't do much at all.

They all ganged up on her because they knew they'd have a better chance of getting her fired (and saving themselves) if they presented a united front. They Heathered her out.

The other guy who helped with marketing should have been in the boardroom as well. He sat back and was passive the whole time.

The mangy looking woman who handled sales was scary in the boardroom. Not scary as in intimidating. Scary as in she looked like she could reach across the table and cut you at any minute.

Additionally, is it telling that the majority of people that text in always pick who the show tells them to pick? Does that say something about people who text, people who watch this show, or people that text into this show thinking they're going to win $10,000.

Who am I kidding? I was going to text in, but then Ivanka came on the screen. Her mouth was saying yes, but her boobs told me I never had a chance... sigh.

Three words sum up this episode: Shut. Up. Marisa. Really. I can't believe that she was still pushing her tacky giant chickens in the boardroom. Kudos to The Hair for telling her to shut. up. Oh, and 'The Bravado Bowl' AND 'The Paradise Bowl' both sound like second-string college football tournaments.

Oh, and mad kudos to Muna for cleaning up Arrow's massive month-long stain on the Trump Trailer Park. That shit was disgusting.

Is it just me but anyone else feeling like they are watching "copy cats of The Survivor with a job interview twist"?

First the tent and now the bees?!? Wow, baldie never seems to amaze me on how well he can grab ideas from his arse.

Yeah he did. Trumpy called them the night before the task and said someone had to go over to the other team.

SHUT UP MARISA!

And next we get TA: Fear Factor? Gah! Will someone tell me why I'm still watching this?

I love Muna too and she was totally right about that camp being filthy. Other than that, I was meh about tonight's episode. It was so obvious when Heidi rolled her eyes after the hundreth phone call from Marissa that Marissa was the next to go. Yet somehow, it was still the toughest decision that Trump had to make.

I think Marisa's problem was an inability to move on. Whether the time was right or wrong to reject the chickens, it had been decided, it was done, and the project manager had made her decree. At that point, if you want to contribute, you need to come up with other options rather than wasting everybody's time making them retread the already rejected and not going to happen idea with you. Spend that arguing and rehashing time coming up with a new idea they might actually use!

I am sorry that Heidi didn't have to answer more for the loss. While Marisa was probably the right choice to be fired, Heidi was the one who didn't call for a more aggressive marketing plan or sales plan. If Marisa could have just kept her mouth shut a little more and spoken more judiciously, that might have come out in the boardroom. Trump wouldn't have fired Heidi this early on, she is too good-looking, but she should have had to suffer a bit more, in my opinion. Heidi is just so smug, I can't stand her.

I loved Arrow's reward and hope they get to stay in the mansion for a little while, at least. But Nicole really bugs - she and Frank are just too much for me.

Finally, I always kind of liked Sean, and I thought he did a good job tonight, but he looked so smarmy. Ugh!

Marisa was very unprofessional with all her yapping. that said, Trump seems to keep around the yappy men who are marginalized by their teams for a few more rounds. Also, I thought her chicken idea was a good one. It seemed very clear to me that Heidi was not open to her ideas. Also, papaya is a love it/hate it kind of thing - they would have done much better just dumping a bunch of cheese in the bowl and called it the Superduper Queso Chicken. Who cares if it tasted good or not- they weren't going for return business, and it would have sold more than the "Paradise Pollo."

Pretty much. They are not half as good as they think they are. I predict Kinetic is headed for a rude awakening.

I'm glad you mentioned that Pinky Tuscadero! (which, love that name!) Although that bowl sounds absolutely delicious to me, I can see how it may be a tough sell. Arrow's idea of taking a basic concept and kicking it up a notch also helped them in the long run.

Trump even mentioned it which should have been Marisa's clue to use as leverage.

Dear Hair,

'Screaming' and 'spirit' may be alike in alliteration, but they do not mean the same thing.

Love, Hey Shaun

I don't think Marisa's actions during the task doomed her, it was her being the outcast of a tight group. At least she had some ideas. I didn't see anyone coming up with anything. For once, this was a decent Apprentice-type task; create the product, market it, etc. Better than washing cars.

Is it my imagination, or has the editing been so obvious as to who the person getting fired would be? Marisa got hosed. Frank wasn't fired for not shutting his yap the first week. He was kept because Trump loved his spirit. His team thought he should be fired. Marisa had great spirit. Her team thought she should be fired. He listens this time. He's been so inconsistent this season, it's amazing. Their chicken bowl was horrible, the name of the bowl was unimaginative, and Heidi continued to shoot down Marisa's ideas. The PM should be held responsible when that many areas of a task fail. She wasn't. Is the PM ever going to be held responsible when a team loses (other than Michelle last week)? This season is horrible. It's a train wreck.

Sophist:

I didn't like the chicken suit idea at all. That one has been way overdone in my opinion, and especially if you are dealing with a business clientele, I think the last thing they would want to see is that.

Now, if Marisa had other ideas, then I think she would have had a leg to stand on.

The promos were misleading. Not that there was no romance or that anything did anything shocking in the boardroom -- they should have touted how the Sean hate you thought you had let go will be kindled back into a bonfire. What a worthless waste of space. Defends her senseless obstructionism and interrupting after the first boardroom as "spirit" and then agrees with the Don that she had to go after the decision. I hate that guy. Could you imagine working with him, or worse, for him?

It was a proper firing in that she was clearly the weak link on the team. But, they deserved to lose for mixing in stuff like mangoes and pineapple into a chicken bowl and expecting it to sell. Niche market only, and it won't fly in a fast food place where you're trying to get most people to eat it. Arrow's Tex-Mex recipe sounded a lot better, I'd have given that one a shot if I didn't flee from all the cameras and lights and trucks and PAs when I was just trying to get some lunch. I thought Heidi and the blond woman with glasses should have gotten more heat for the recipe, but the firing was pre-ordained even before that. Heidi loses points from me for bringing in one of the register workers for possible firing, however -- bad recipe and bad marketing were the culprits.

Like a lamb to the slaughter...Marisa never had a chance.



I agree. There were a few blonds in there that I thought were all the same person.. the only one who is distinct for me is Angela the Olympian.

Maybe I missed something near the beginning where it said their new item had to be a bowl? At one point it looked like they were looking at a poster with lots of bowls on it - so did they just choose one to market or did they actually choose the ingredients? If so, fruit and chicken is yukky.

What a total letdown. Lame chicken bowls, boring music on the beach, no poolside romance and no yelling in the boardroom. Glad to see Sean there though. I'd take him in my chicken bowl. To go.

I think the chicken suits could have worked, especially given the Pollo Loco concept. Although I know nothing of that chain and have never heard of them before this.

So maybe they're an upscale classy establishment and I don't know about it?

As much as I think Frank's a tool, even he had the sense to shut! up! when Trumpy when was talking.

Having ideas is all well and good, but a big part of being successful -- in business or life in general -- is having a clue about how to work with, deal with and approach people.

Marisa was a non-stop blabbering, obnoxious, petulant asshat.

Marisa was a bit of a whackadoodle, but thank god the real business world does not follow any of Trump's logic.

Marketing was the reason the task failed. Marisa was in charge of marketing. Marisa's idea, good or not, was not followed. The team lost due to marketing. Well no. The team lost to lack of leadership and an actual strategy. Why on earth when the task was limited strictly that particular timeframe, were they giving out their product and making sure that those who might have bought out of curiosity, had that curiosity satisfied? Whose brilliant idea was that? And whose leadership was it that let them stand in an empty venue? Didn't send people out to at least look at the traffic passing by and how they might get it to come in -- again, do these dumbasses not get that while waving signs is not the most efffective manner to garner attention and traffic -- waving a sign while a television camera crew filsm you doing it on the same sidewalk? Might get you some cars.

Heidi is hugely overrated. And in her own mind as well.

Marisa dug her own grave, but Trump taking a popularity poll and saying he has no coice but to fire her because everyone wants her gone? That is the reason? That is the stunning business paradigm you have only applied when you want (Sam, Omarosa, Marcus immediately come to mind. Not to mention that every season there is one person the rest decide have to go and you keep at least a week or more), Dumpy?

Sean. A champion. Well at Platypus impression contests maybe. Those lips extend out any more in Sean's futile attempt to look thoughtful and profound and he's going to start tripping over things.

Poor Aaron. Dumpy chides him for not speaking up. What exactly little bit of craziness was he supposed to contribute when it becomes clear that instead of actually going for who and what lost the task, it is a vote for prom queen.

And after Aaron's explanation as to why Surya is a great balancing addition to their team? How the original members are all type A, driven, friendly and extremely engaging? And Surya, not being such, makes a great new unique component. Wonderful logic Aaron. By that backhanded compliment alone, you are the most skilled at being Dumpy's true Apprentice.

And the reward? Not a huge fan of Andrea. Though I could have enjoyed it. a bigger fan of that lazy lobster and drawn butter. But how awkward and just plain weird was that serenade? It seemed really odd and not wonderful. The fireworks weren't a bad touch though. Nicole and Tim. All kinds of ick. Sing with me Two of these things don't go with each other. Two of these things just don't belong...two of these things are not for each other...

Aaron was right that a risk should be taken at that point. But the whole 21 units glee? A "record". Did they stop then? Did they not continue after that one single sale? Wasn't there someplace that Tim or Frank could have walked on to to see if they could garner sales and call in the orders? I can't imagine that given a choice of getting free delivery, even if it was fast food, might not appeal even if there only was one thing on the menu. And they had phones for the love of gawd. These people, both teams, are so fantastically inefficient, so uninspired and one path only minded that I'm surprised that any were able to hold a job for very long.

And speaking of that. Surya? At your age? Bragging at all the varied positions you have held? Would be a huge negative in many regards when it comes to hiring. Job loyalty has diminished greatly, but in "reference" talk, someone bragging about all the different type of companies he has worked with in such a short time, if in terms of job experience as opposed to job exposure, could be interpreted as "can't hold a position for very long".

Also she had a strong success record.

You look at what Arrow had with signs did Kinetic have Anything like that?

Fine they shot down the Chicken Idea it got shot down, come up with something else. She got so hung up on the chicken suit and paradise she came up with nothing else.

She said her hands were tied? I don't think so. If she could list 5 ideas they shot down, then sure she would have something to stand on.

She had no signage. At All.

Wallyhorse, even though the chicken idea is over done, it was better than not having anything. I thought the balloons were a bit lame and same with the banners, but it worked! The idea is - "how much more could they have sold.."

Kinetics already got the sampling idea, which was definitely outside of the box thinking and with the added "loco pollo," they might have won.

Again, I would have fired either Heidi or Amy. The sales pitch at the drive through was lame. If I had to say anything was "over-used and lame" it would have been their sales pitch. "Welcome to El Pollo Loco. Would you like to try the new Paradise..." Would that sales pitch ever sell?!?!

How do we know she didn't come up with other ideas? All anyone harped on was the chicken suit idea which was rejected. I mean, has anyone ever been fired for an idea that wasn't used? This show is a joke.

*SHREIK* CHICKEN SUITS!!! *SHREIK*

That was some funny shit RE: the chicken suits. Totally classy idea there Marissa!

I know they won and all, but Arrow is seriously made up of the biggest bunch of spazmos ever seen on The Apprentice, and that's saying a lot when freakin' SEAN was on the show.

And it bears repeating again and again, Nicole is total trash. I despise her.

Finally, nice cigar Frank. Overcompensating much?

How well-known is the El Pocco Lolo? I've never heard of any in Canada. Are they all over the US?

It seems this season Trump is not drawing in the big companies for the one hour infomercial like previous seasons - unless I'm wrong about El Pocco Lolo's status, of course.

Fireworks was a great reward. Beats Hef's whore house any day.

This episode confirmed what I have suspected for the past few episodes. Kinectic had been winning but not because of Heidi. I absolutely hate the idea that the PM stays on until his/her team loses. Heidi got a free ride this week because of two prior wins that she was only marginally responsible for. A legend in her own mind.

I would say is true for the rest of the team as well--they should seeing how Heidi has Trump's crotch firmly in hand and should be at least dinging her. As it was she seemed to evade any blame.

I was angered by whomever said Marisa had to be "babysat" on past tasks-- a tired Apprentice cliche.

Did anyone find Tim's posture at the piano just awful? It was so distracting. I don't know how he managed to even play a whole song, much less play it well so hunched over like that.

It looked painful.

Yes, I noticed that too. I was impressed that he could play so well considering that bad posture.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't El Pollo Loco have those awful commercials in the summer in support of Talladega Nights? Where cars were going through both sides of the drive thru or something?

I think they're a west coast thing tone. I'm in the Midwest and I've never heard of them, and I've been around most of the east and some of the south and never heard of it. don't know for sure though.

I've had enough of Andrea, but then he started singing Besame Mucho which always makes me think of Antonio Banderas which makes me think of that Spanish movie where he played a gay cop. That movie had the word heat, or fire in it and that brings me back around to grilled chicken so it ended up being okay.

It was also interesting to learn that "Bravado" was Derek's idea and that Marisa believed in it so well that she took ownership of it. I found it odd that Derek didn't do more to at least try and take the blame off of her. I know that she can be annoying, but I refuse to believe the loss of this task was purely her blame.

I think if they would have concentrated on the acquired yet DELICIOUS idea of a Paradise Bowl, and one sales at the register. Though, everyone and their mom has been to a Taco Bell, how hard is it to learn to put up signage?

Then again they didn't get the signage memo at the carwash, why expect them to actually learn from any past tasks.



Well now I love them even more. Yeah, I said it, I loved Talladega Nights an unhealthy amount. SHAKE & BAKE. I'll be going now.

So cruel, yet so true.

Not quite sure what you mean here, bananafoot. Michelle fired herself last week. Do you mean Heidi or Amy?

ETA, I can't believe a post about this lameass show bumped me up to "couch potato" status. Oh well, woo hoo! (I guess)

Definitely agree. I don't know how the others didn't see that Heidi gets the "keeps on winning" (i.e. two) accolades from Trump even in the face of such a disorganized defeat and really poor sales strategy. I wonder if the one she brought in for bad sales effort will go back and tell the others that Heidi was more than willing to claim both wins. They might have missed their chance and considering what an incredible suckass job Heidi did on this one? I hope the coyotes brought in ticks after the change in teams in Trump Trailer Park.



Not to mention that if Marisa was someone they had to babysit? Why was she given head of marketing -- one of the two key components of the task? And if they all have to babysit her and they still failed because of her lack of efforts? What does that say about the babysitting abilities? I.E. managing? It also reflects poorly on Derek. What exactly was he doing except kissing Heidi's ass and following blindly the groupthink of "no new ideas". What part of marketing success can he lay claim to? Marisa is not the Apprentice, but more and more, of them all, Stefani seems the only one with a brain and the maturity to accomplish things. So run Stefani. Run fast.

Word. Heidi should've managed the task instead of managing Marissa. She did not even have an expectation of any marketing campaign other than the name of that lunch item. I think she got off pretty easily. First, she turns the team against Marissa (to be fair, with a lot of help from Marissa), then she adds the sales girl and takes them both into the br. She sort of silenced the team by these decisions. I think at that very point the Kineticans were glad it's not them who Heidi had chosen to take to the br. And even if they thought Heidi should have taken responsibility for the loss, they were afraid to say it because she could've changed her mind and take them instead of the two chosen victims. Heidi's timing was very smart.
Heidi is a smart little devil. Does she wear Prada by any chance?



I disagree. This is a great way to add something healthy and affordable to the menu of the fast food place. They just did not market it correctly.

I think Aaron's showing in the boardroom is a testament to it being a bad idea the winning PM sits in. They don't get to view the team while performing their tasks, so what insight can they give?

ITA saruyama. I didn't see Maris being babysat at all. I've said it before and I'll say it again...the editing has been horrible this season. It highlights just who will be fired. The task was a blur on both sides. After the chicken suit idea was shot down, I told my wife Marisa would be fired.

Why am I still watching this? I wonder if Trump realize the whole Tentcity is a bad idea yet.

Too bad Heidi didn't at least get called out on her assiness tonight. Marissa may have been annoying, but I'm sure there was lots we didn't get to see. I think she had a lot of valid points....if only she had shut her mouth long enough for them to catch up to her vocal cords. Heidi should have accounted for why Marisa was in charge of something if she was doing so poorly. The coven has returned!

I don't know where to put this observation, but I just noticed that, when I went to view Marisa's profile on NBC to find out why she had never learned to read a room or shut up and in what job this was possible, that attached to her profile were about a dozen cheesy photos in swimsuits and "sexy" black suits and such. then I realized all the apprenti had them. Nice "job interview," Trump.

It will be interesting how Heidi behaves being an Indian and not a Chief. She needs to be brought down a few pegs and should have been fired because the task failed on 3 levels. Marketing, sales, and putting fruit and meat together to sell to the masses.

Marissa was right - it was a total ambush.

Tim looked like he learned to play piano in an attic with a sloping ceiling. I can't believe that anyone would actually choose to sit that way while playing.

Word to the idea that pretty much all of Kinetic gets mixed together in a viewer's brainpan. I saw them this episode and noticed Heidi, Marisa, Muna, Derek, the blond woman, the other blond woman, the taller blond woman and the curly-haired blond woman. If Derek had been a blond woman, I probably wouldn't have noticed him either.

Is every elimination "a real tough one," Trumpy? Really? I mean, this time, sure, it's hard to eliminate someone who's so clearly picked up your habit of interrupting people when they're trying to say something, but "tough?"

At least we were free of the Trumplings for one precious hour.


I believe people could go to restaurants for items like that, if they were marketed to them correctly and they knew what they were getting into. I've never been to a Crazy Chicken place, but whenever I buy fast food, by the time I've made it to the counter, my decision has been made and any swaying that the cashier is going to use to prompt me to buy an additional or alternative product had better be pretty minimal. A fruit-tinged dish, while not a bad idea, may sound bad to someone who has their heart set on "authentic" chicken covered in cheese and beans.

(What makes it "authentic" grilled chicken, anyway?)

I'll have to agree that she was very disruptive in the BR with her big mouth, but I don't think she was the actual reason why Kinetic lost the task. The idea for their bowl (originally thought of by Kristine and accepted by Heidi) wasn't exactly a good idea. Worse yet, Aimee hardly did anything on the task. Those two factors is what really caused Kinetic to lose. If Marisa hadn't been so disruptive in the BR, which caused the rest of Kinetic to single her out, Aimee probably would've been the one fired. Marisa was ultimately fired for the same reasons that two Season 4 candidates (Kristi & Clay) were fired for: team dynamics. Marisa was a major disruption to Kinetic at that point and that in itself caused all of Kinetic to single her out. Maybe either Heidi, Aimee, or Kristine may have been responsible for the loss of the task. However, none of those three were disruptive in the BR like Marisa was and it was Marisa's behavior in the BR that really became her undoing.

On a side note: There is a certain difference between the BR that Frank faced and the BR that Marisa faced. Not everyone wanted Frank fired. There was at least one or two other candidates that singled Martin out. I remember Nicole wanting Martin to be fired. Also, Ivanka was there to push the firing of Martin. Marisa, OTOH, opened the floodgates with her disruptive BR behavior and that caused all of Kinetic to single her out. In other words, all members of Kinetic wanted Marisa fired and I can't really blame them after watching Marisa shoot herself in the foot with her big mouth.