Well, looks like the forums are back, and this thread's history is gone.

I only wanted to discuss how bad the Playboy Mansion reward was, especially in light of the team who won, as Jacob mentioned in the recaplet...

Well, after finally getting to watch the episode last night on the CNBC replay (damn you, power outages caused by ice storms!), I wanted to share a few of my thoughts (jotted down during the ep) (presented sorta stream of consciousness style):

Huh, so they've magically been assigned names now, glad The Donald got that out of the way for us.

Arrow's cheering Frank back. I mean, okay, you were worried about being down TWO people, but... WTF?!

What I said to the TV during Carey's whineterview about tent life: "Shut the F**K up! You're in f**king LA! Just shut... the... F**K... UP!"

So, with the winning team exempt from the next task - the losing team will continue to lose, effectively.

IMO, Carey was *dead wrong* about his swimsuits. And I think that Michelle was right - he *wasn't* listening.

Trump on the beach... okay, I gotta admit, tossing the socks? Funny as all get out to me. "Does she work for us?" about the model? Yeah, classic Trump, in all meanings of the expression :)

Wow, dead silence for the Carey strut... I mean, okay, Arrow's women's wear, and that board short for the guys weren't bad. But the other men's wear, just horrific.

Muna's (?) comments - "too much information!" - hysterical!

Maybe it's a personal thing, but I'm annoyed by James' voice. It just kinda grates on me. Does anybody else get that?

What the hell are they doing with the rest of the room in that "mansion"? I think I said this before on the ep 1 thread (now gone), but they look to have more room from the outside than there is in. I realize, maybe they do some production stuff in there, but geez. All that room, and only one bedroom.

"No obvious screwup"? How about the guy who did horrible menswear?

Hmm, "let's all gang up on Michelle, even though in hindsight, she was probably right about Carey's crappy suits". Charming.

I think Heidi's getting better at the Viceroy thing, though. She asked some good questions, and made some good, valid points.

What's with Nicole booking it back to the tents at the end, there? Gotta get her POV across first to make herself look better?


This is kinda unrelated, but the AmEx "Open" commercial, where the guy's singing "Gimme some money" in the background... wasn't that the song that "Spinal Tap" was supposedly singing in the 60s? :D

Yep, that's totally the Tap. It makes me like AmEx a little bit just for using it!

Michelle looks like Jaime Pressly, only classy.

I hate that Carey had to push the "gay swimsuit" thing enough so that Trump picked it up and ran with it (not the suit itself, obviously, since he wouldn't even touch it). Way to not read the room, Carey.

I love Carey, and I'm going to miss the eye candy. But that swimsuit had to have been the fugliest piece of fabric I've ever seen on anyone.

Still, I'm sorry he's gone. Couldn't they have figured out a way to get rid of Loud Frank instead?

In what warped universe does Trump think he could fit into those skimpy swim trunks and look good? Ha!

Great to see the boards are back.



That would have been nice, but he was rather subdued this time, wasn't he? I mean, aside from him with the cow-eyes after it was announced that his team lost.

I needed some serious brain bleach after that little rant of Trump's. He has a good body? In what universe? And I don't want him stripping down to prove it, either!

After watching the episode my problem with Michelle was, exactly what does she do for the team? I hate it when people shoot down other people's ideas but offer none of their own. The margin of victory was 2%.

I was confused by the task somewhat because I didn't know the designer, and didn't know what stores the buyers represented. From the amount of orders I will assume no national chains were represented. Which goes to a really basic flaw in the planning by the teams, no clear definition of the client.

And maybe it is the accountant in me but I really dislike the "most in sales" criteria that is the basis of comparison in 80% of the challenges. If the competition is going to be a sales driven task then why not make profit vs. sales be the deciding variable.

Another factor that should be taken into account, the expense for the teams, I mean there should be an expense attached to each team member. What I envision are tasks where the teams not only compete against themselves but also some kind of benchmark, if neither team reaches the benchmark then everyone goes to the boardroom. If both teams exceed the benchmark then the most successful does not go to the boardroom. Too many times it appears that the teams put in all of the "effort" to produce some rather sad results.



Heidi has already gotten quite a big head, when she loses, which because of the PM till you loose twist this season I can see some sabotaging on a whole new level. When Trump introduced Heidi to Hef, and was all "this was the PM for the task" you know everyone on her team was wondering if this was how it would be every week. They win, and Heidi gets the praise.

Oh and one final thing, how in the hell could Trump go on and on about the "gay swimsuit" and then have the reward be a trip to the Playboy Mansion? Yeah that was hypocritical at all, Trump "How many people would wear this suit" Trumpette "What percentage of the market would wear this suit?"

But for some strange reason he thinks that the team would be thrilled to visit the Playboy Mansion, but hey who knows maybe Trump would cheer if Ivanka did a spread in the magazine......somehow I think not.

Yes. Yes, I do. He's just WAY too excited.

Wow, it's really painful watching the Olympian walk. She's got that Julia-Roberts-in-heels thing going big time.

The Playboy Mansion "reward" was just awful. I fast-forwarded through that part. Trump on the beach was pretty funny though.

During the boardroom, did I really hear Trump say that he has a good body and could get away with wearing Carey's swimsuit? YIKES! There's a visual I can do without.

I also liked the part where Trump told Frankie-boy that he'd be going home pretty soon. I can't remember the exact quote but the reaction shot was hilarious.

And I hated the editing on the "previously" part. When Trump fired Martin, they didn't show Frank's disgusting reaction -- they used some other footage instead.

That was the funniest thing in the show. I've always known Trump was delusional, but there's delusional, and then there's...well, then there's Trump thinking he could wear that suit and look good.

The Playboy Mansion was a reward? That was appalling. Having to listen to Hugh Hefner smarm it up, and pretend that he's just wonderful, then having to "party" with a bunch of bleached, siliconed, bunny-eared bimbos? Ew. (Proof number 3,576 that I am not part of this show's target demographic, I guess.)

This show blows. We get to see 15mins of the actual task (including them bitching and moaning about living in a TENT) then we get to see the disgusting reward followed by a very predictable boardroom meeting. Yawn.

Ok, why did Carey steal my grandmother's muumuu dress and made a speedo out of it?

Maybe she had to go to the bathroom!

Not to mention that you can't even use Hef as a model of a good business man. What moron doesn't know that a large part of the straight male population likes to look at nekkid boobies? It ain't rocket science, is all I'm sayin'.

Grossest reward ever.

During the preview for next week they did a split screen with half of the team on top and half of the team on the bottom. My guess is that the next task would have been awkward with a 7 member team vs a 9 member team. So they split it up among the Arrow corporation and gave Kinetic a break.

Kinetic Corporation
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Heidi: She strikes me as quietly efficient. She hasn't come up with any really good ideas that I know of but she hasn't made any real mistakes as of yet. It also should be noted that her team is far superior to Arrow at this point.

Marisa: The voice of discontent. Personally I agree with her. The PM til you lose bit is a disaster waiting to happen. We've seen it happen before where one team is so disfunctional that it never wins. ( Remember the second half of season 3? )

Rest of Team: Who are these people?


Arrow Corporation
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Frank: Borrowed time. After week 1 Frank was the first dead apprentice walking. Trump's even joking about it.

Michelle: The team turning of Michelle confused me. As the one person who actually voiced her concerns about the men's suits you'd think they'd steer clear of her. Furthermore the entire price point argument made no sense given that Michelle was not one of those who did the research. So I'll just say it. I think Nicole, Carey, and a few of the others deliberately targetted her as part of a coven-style attack. Nothing else makes sense.

Carey: How is it the term "ramrod" got used so much with a big, black, gay guy? Ultimately Carey got undone by his boardroom strategy. After the attack on Michelle proved futile, he then tried to defend the swimsuit. What he needed to do was attack Nicole.

Nicole: Of team Arrow, Nicole is the only person other than Carey who I felt was completely clueless when it came to the impending doom of Carey's gaysuit. But in the boardroom she fought vigorously to shift the blame. The second Trump calls her on her leadership she immediately called for a poll among the team on who should be fired. ( Almost like she knew who most of her team would vote for *cough* coven *cough* ) She immediately set upon the lone teammate who dared put the blame on her to the point where Trump had to finish his thought for him as she wouldn't let him finish. One question remains to me though. Did Nicole really think her anti-Michelle argument would work or was it all a devious trap to set up Carey for a fall?

Rest Of Team: It bugs me that except for Nicole, Carey, and Michelle the rest of the team seemed to dislike Carey's suit designs but did nothing to address those worries. This team is weak. It's quite possible that they won't win until after Donald Trump shuffles the teams.

Let the Pagonging--er, I mean, Arrowing--begin!

Booklord, now that at least makes some kind of sense, so hopefully you're right. Although I wonder if somebody's already going to get bumped from Kinetic to Arrow, or if they would just make do with a 3 and a 4 person mini-team...

IS it just me or does this season of the Apprentice seem well... a little sexist?

1. The Playboy Mansion reward. Cause that's where every girl wants to hang out.
2. The Laker's Girls next week. Again, not very exciting for girls. Do we see the cast meeting any hot men.... no...
3. Even the titles on the show's site labelling each candidate - the girls' seem far more condescending and based on looks or more superficial attributes.

I get that this show is being targetted towards males viewers, but that doesn't mean they have to disrespect the female candidates...

Nicole is the lenny for this season for me. Although she isn't very talented (as judging by her not order Carey to not make another swimsuit design) her personality is great. She also gains more love from me for losing her voice from last episode due to "yelling".

Michelle I like more just for being arrogant. She strangely grew on me after this episode.

Carrey had the potential to be the next Randal but imagine this. What if Carey was asked to design something. Would it be as horrible as that swimsuit he made? That's what I thought Trump was thinking. But still the task was very unbusiness like. All it was was making batheing suits. We want business trump not sewing!!!

James wins points from me for being the only person right in the boardroom

Kristine sounds like she'll be pretty interesting in later episodes after hearing some of her during this episode.

I have a lot more I could say about this great episode but I don't feel like it.

No kidding, TraceyBee! (I'm a Tracy, too, and apparently also not part of the target demo). This show used to be harmless fun, but now it's just pathetic. I hate the tent twist--it reeks of desperation. This show used to at least pretend to be about corporate America, but tents?? Seriously?? In what corporation is that a legitimate approximation of business failure?

And the Playboy Mansion?! I mean, ick! Is this really what is meant by reaping the rewards of business success? In what universe?! It used to be about white truffles, private jets, and limousines, not schmoozing with dirty old men and their floozies.

Pathetic, pathetic show. Not even watercooler worthy anymore.

You know, job interviews go both ways. The candidate is also seeing whether they're a fit for the organization they're interviewing with. I would love to see one of the "job candidates" tell Trump where to stick it, on account of stupid rewards like this week's, the crappy tent accomodations, or even the ridiculous idea of having the opposing PM in the boardroom. That would make the show intelligent once more.

If only I could call in and vote to send Trump and his newly big-boobed brat to Tent City.

It's like Trump finally stopped caring, and made the show into his live wet dream. It's become gross and inappropriate. Demeaning people? Check. Objectifying women? Check. Make fun of the gay guy? Check. This is only episode 2, people.

I agree, except that she looks like the love-child of Fergie and Jamie Pressly.

God, what an awful episode.

I guess Trump heard rumours to the effect that Carey is incontinent. That must be it. He could have put on more of performance if he donned a mask and gloves I guess.

Carey's choice for swimming shorts was terrible, and I am inclined to agree that he should have been fired. BUT, as James duly pointed out, the PM should have nixed a terrible idea. She got away pretty lightly, considering.

They show so little of the task now it's ridiculous. I don't have the team names straight, but on one team we went from their being assigned the task to one of the team members emerging from the change room in their recently created bikini. Knowing something about what happened in between would have been somewhat instructive.

And that freaking reward...sorry, but attending a party at the home of an octogenerian perv, his concubines, and assorted hangers on (Trump amongst them) is not my idea of a reward. Tacky redefined.

Trump is one pale dude...his feet looks like he was drained of blood and filled with 2%. Thank God he stopped at doffing his shoes and socks.

Agree with all the posters who said Playboy mansion reward blew...er...sucked...er...was bad.

Although Hef pulled some respectable business deals early in the magazine's history, he's not exactly a role model to emulate today. And, I said to Mrs. Grammarian the moment Trump announced they would meet Hef, that he'd probably be in his pajamas. Real class there, Hef. 'nuf said.

Ivanka continues to impress - especially for a 25-year-old. She boils down the candidates' arguments better than they do. She keeps her father focused on the important things and not on trivialities (Seasons 4 & 5 anyone?).

The tent twist has turned this show into "Survivor." We've lost time on the task to spend time watching people bitch and moan about not having televisions and hot water. Yaaawwwn. More task, less "Good Life."

And why are the winners spending all their free time at the hedges listening to the losers instead of sleeping, watching television, swimming in the pool, or playing video games? Are they that bored?

It looks like Heidi's "royalty" is starting to take its toll. She's getting lots of face-time with Trump and establishing a relationship while the others on her team are pretty anonymous to DT. Wonder if that's going to cause tension or problems going forward.

Heidi made a good point about whether Nicole (as PM) approved Carey's design, but then let it fall by the wayside as Michelle and Carey fought like two-year-olds over a candy bar.

Nicole was smart. Seeing that Trump and his viceroys were drawn to the Michelle-Carey cat-fight, she shut her mouth and let them hang themselves. She should have experienced a much more intense (no pun intended) grilling than she endured.

She did a good job managing the team, but the design folks really needed more adult supervision and she failed to give it to them. Still, Carey was the one who should have gone. He staked waaaaay too much of his survival on that atrocious man-kini.

Have to agree with Booklord, Frank is a dead apprentice walking. Trump's comment about him being back in Brooklyn soon enough should have been enough for him to shut his mouth and try to fly low for a while.

Will the winning sub-team next week get to move into the mansion? Will the losing sub-team be fired en masse (to keep things on schedule in the shortened season)?

I was completely grossed me out when Trump threw his sock and it landed on that assistant's head! Ick.

It's one thing to have a tight, short male bathing suit, but the pink flowery pattern just made it worse. I didn't like this challenge and it really didn't show anyone's "skills."

Glad that the forum is up and running!

Can't remember all that I typed in the original forum, so I'll just say that this episode was very boring, and sucked big time. If it's true that NBC alreayd has comitted to a seventh season, I hope they just make it an All-Stars version. That will at least be entertaining (while probably still sucking.)

Carey deserved to be fired, but I give him points for shaking Trump/Ivanka's hands, on his way out. That was at least, a little bit classy of him.

I am slightly curious to see what is going to happened to Heidi. It defintely looks like her continuing reign as PM, is not pleasing some people (namely Marisa). I wonder what this is leading to.

It did, sort of, highlight the ability to anticipate a market. Ivanka pointed out that the market was the buyers. I'd have liked to know if they were from chains like Macy's, Federated, Nordstrom, etc. or from select boutiques. Chain buyers are going to be much more conservative - thus, Carey's suit indicated his lack of ability to anticipate market reactions.


Trump's so accustomed to that icky thing he's wearing on his head, it doesn't compute for him that others may not be as receptive to the idea.

ConanGramarian

I still can't shake the feeling that she manipulated this from even before the boardroom. The "indecisive about price point argument" was stupid! That was never going to fly. Pitting Michelle and Carey against each other and then sitting back as Michelle trounced Carey ( as was easily predictable ) put her well out of harm's way and set Carey up for the fall.

thuganomics85

What I'd like to see is for Trump to pull a Pamela and put Heidi in charge of team Arrow.

I thought so too. The two points not covered:

1. The car wash task. I think TPtMtTWoaS wanted a Bikini car wash, but worked with what they got.
2. The second contest was a swimsuit competition.

Along with the (better) evidence that others have pointed out, this show doesn't get the difference between "sexy" and "sexist".

* The Powers that Make this Train Wreck of a Show. Like the Powers that Be, except you wish they Weren't.

I didn't watch this episode because I couldn't wait to get back into "Rome." But I did, I'm sorry to say, have nagging doubts about my decision. After all, I can catch the repeats of "Rome" all through the week on HBO, and cannot see Apprentice reruns, since I don't have CNBC. But after reading Jacob's recap and the comments posted above, I think I made the right decision.

I'm "this close" to saying I'm finally done with the Apprentice -- but, on the other hand, I'm afraid that if I check out now I just may miss the biggest train wreck in TV history. As you can see, I'm completely torn. Maybe I'll give it another couple of weeks.

Of course Trump has to make like it's an honor for the contestants to meet a sexist pruned-up doddering old pig. The same pretext is in play when it comes to his sorry ass.

My jaw dropped when he made a big show of picking up the printed trunks with a pen.

Yeah, look out for those gay cooties you fucking troglodyte.

I'll bet this show moves to cable soon, so Trump can get away with more stuff like the above. The Playboy reward and the subtle gay-baiting in the Boardroom? It's almost like a cry for help, like they want a backlash.

Couldn't they have just used a picture of Carey's swimsuit as "evidence" instead of the actual suit?

I completely forgot about the show this week, and only caught it by accident when I was flipping through channels last night and hit upon CNBC as the episode was in the first five minutes.

Stinky piece of crap.

The tents are stupid. The hedge listening is stupid. Keeping the winning PM until the team loses is completely ridiculous. What is the purpose of that? I hate it.

Last night, the reward? Disgusting. I'd have stayed back at the mansion. Feigned an illness. No way I'd want to visit with an elderly perv and his whores. Loved how they showed Hef stop at the top of the stairs (after going down only one step) and then cut to him at the bottom of the staircase. I told my daughter that what they probably cut out was the footage of him riding the little lift chair down the staircase that he's too old to walk down any longer.

Pajamas. It's supposed to look cool and decadent, I guess. Looks nursing home, to me.

I think I'm done with this show. It's never had what it had in Season One, but now it's lost EVERYTHING that it had in Season One.

Glad to see the board back up and agree with most of the comments. Carey was the person who lost the task and deserved to be fired. I thought it odd that Trump didn't kiss his ass while firing him as he almost always does with African-American contestants on this show (and like he did with Martin the week before).

I guess there are two Gay Clays this season and it would have been fun if they had lasted on the show long enough for a catfight.

I totally agree on the Playboy "reward". I'm a straight guy but, had this been a reward and I was a candidate, I would have politely refused to go. I have no desire to meet some old fart in PJs and his harem. I'm no saint but I have more respect for women than to mingle with some soft-porn king. What's you next reward, Donald? Dinner with some Saudi arms dealers?

The tasks seem so tightly-edited now that you have no idea what really happened except what the producers show you - which almost always goes straight to their desired outcome. I wish they'd spend less time on the tents, the sniping and the stupid "Get Rich With Trump" game and show us some more process on completing the task but, obviously, that's not going to happen.

Heidi is certainly getting the Randal Treatment so far. The teams will need to reorganize soon and I wonder what happens to the sleeping arrangements if she switches sides? Also who's going to volunteer to sleep outside and be treated like a loser just to impress Trump?

This is my problem with Carey's firing. If was a god-awful suit. So if everyone thought so with the exception of Carey, why was it allwoed on the runway? Isn't the PM ultimately responsible for what is presented? Why didn't Nicole catch any heat? As far as designs...did we see anyone else come up with any ideas? The only one I saw coming up with an idea for a suit was Carey. And he gets fired for it. Trump handling the 'gay' swimsuit with a pen was totally classless. What an imbecile. And yes...the Playboy mansion is a GREAT reward...for horny, adolscent young straight men. This episode bothered me like no episode before. Why the need to ask Carey if he was gay? Does it matter? There were 3 other men's swimsuits, each catering to a demographic. Yes, the 'gay' suit was the worst of the 3. but it seems obvious that none of them sold well. Why not inquire about the other 2 suits? this season is officially a disaster, and we're only 2 episodes in. Somewhere, Martha Stewart is having a nice laugh at Trump's expense.

ETA...I hate the winning pm staying on until the team loses. How is anyone supposed to show they can lead when they are not allowed to? It's suppose to be a job interview for all of the candidates, yet due to the ineptitude of team Arrow, we won't see a possible succesor to heidi until episode 4...which leads me into this: how the hell can you exempt a team from a task? So now Arrow gets split into two teams for one task...and will the winner still sleep outside? What a mess this season is.

There were 3 mens suits, each targeting a specific demographic. That seems like sound marketing to me,. But of course, Trump and the gang only targeted one of the swimsuits.

I'm glad the thread is back up. I had so much to say right after the episode, but I've cooled down a bit while the servers got fixed. You all are right. This is less a "job interview" and more of Trump's "Fantasies-Come-To-Life." I mean EVERYBODY loves boobies - right? RIGHT?? Except for the gay guys, so of course they have to go. Next week: cheerleaders!! Woot! I'm betting there's a task up ahead using Fredrick's of Hollywood. Oh, and I like guys in pink - I really do. If that swim suit was more of a board-short, it would have been awesome.

The "reward"....WTF?!? FFS, who in their right mind thinks that a straight woman wants to go to the Playboy Mansion?! Yeah, I want to spend my evening around a bunch of barely-clad women and Hef's concubines. Three badly, overly-processed, bleach-blond bimbos at your service, ladies. If I'm not mistaken, I believe one of the men on the winning team is also gay. (Based on the comment during the "fashion" show.) Gah, gag and good grief!

And Carey, targeting your suit to ONE demographic (who would likely not be caught dead in it, either) is NOT a sound marketing strategy. Gah, gag and good grief again!

Derek, the one who got pulled into the pool by two of the bimbos, is the gay one.

[quoteI needed some serious brain bleach after that little rant of Trump's. He has a good body? In what universe? [/quote]

[quote]That was the funniest thing in the show. I've always known Trump was delusional, but there's delusional, and then there's...well, then there's Trump thinking he could wear that suit and look good.[/quote]

I hate to stick up for Trump but i'm pretty sure he was kidding about having the body to pull off that hideous swimsuit. He even commented that only he and Carey were the only ones in the room who could wear it, and the other guys (who are certainly in better shape than Trump) all chuckled in mock outrage. Ew, now i feel dirty for defending him.

Anyway, as many have mentioned, the Playboy reward was just disgusting. Is this the same show where Carolynlectured the women contestants (season 1, I think) that sex may sell but won't get you respected? Although i think Ivanka does a good job coming across as an intelligent woman, Trump sure is working hard to make sure that women are objectified as much as possible.

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I was sorry to see Carey go. I thought he was cute, smart, funny, articulate and sincere. I'd hire him. I doubt that Trump is ever going to give the "prize" to a gay male so Carey probably never had a real chance of winning but I was disappointed to see him leave so soon. I am BTW a white woman with kids way older than he is so I didn't identify with him in any way. I just liked him. I didn't like Nicole when I watched her audition video but I did like her on the episode. However, she was the project manager and had the authority to nix the pink paisley and didn't. I think she was more culpable for the loss than Carey who was, as he said, willing to take a risk.

I don't begin to understand the new team rules. If Heidi continues as PM for several weeks, that will mean that some other candidates won't have the opportunity to demonstrate their leadership abilities. How is that helpful? And what's going to happen after the next task? One team will be split into competing parts. Will the winners move into the house? There aren't enough beds.

In other words: heinous.

Oh I miss those Carolyn days, she would never approve of this shit.

It really feels like Trump or the producers are just making them up as they go along. It's like "The Apprentice: Calvinball."

Now THERE'S a show I would watch. "Allright, for this task, you have to run the flag down 100 yard while zig-zagging. The winner is the first team to get 486 points. Go!"

Wow.

Tongs! Trump's feet! Hef! Tents!

Seriously, this is making My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss look like Nostradamus.

Frank = Prince Charles + Dubya - IQ.

I get the feeling NBC was contractually obligated to do this season, but once they saw the ratings slide last season, they just gave up caring. Cut the budget (I see they got a Rona-Clona for the boardroom), let Trumpy do whatever he wants.

I so hope that both of Trump's kids come out as gay and lesbian.

I was really disappointed by how little of the actual task was shown this week. The task is the whole reason they're supposed to be on this show! Let's see what went on with the teams! Who knew what they were doing? Who didn't? Who really took charge? Who cares about the reward portion, anyway?

That said, this was probably the worst reward they've ever had. A team of almost all women and a gay guy have (get) to go to the Playboy Mansion. Big deal. Hef was considered cool in the 60's and maybe even the 70's, but that was a LONG time ago. Now he's just kind of pathetic, with his fake girlfriends and old pajamas. I actually felt sorry for everyone involved--the contestants because they were forced to participate; Hef, because he's such a sad figure who doesn't realize his time in the spotlight is over; the Playmates, because it looked like they were expecting a big party like in the "old days" and all they got were some uncomfortable reality show contestants; and Mr. Trump, who looked like he may have started to realize that the Playboy Mansion was no longer "the place to be".

The scary thing is that Trump/the producers don't get the joke! How do you watch a slap-in-the-face parody of your own show, and make the jump that "hey, that's not a bad idea. Sleeping in tents -- acting like total sexist pigs -- We can USE this." WTF? Since Trump has no sense of humor, he obviously is not seeing the joke at all.

You are right. Yahoo shows many deleted and extended scenes that are so much better then what we saw. They are ruining this season by only showing a few seconds of the "work."

Trump's at his ideal body weight ... if he were 11 feet tall.


Isn't that what we're watching? The tasks make no sense, the rules are arbitrary and random, and the reward is almost worse than the task itself.

That made me laugh out loud. I would totally watch that show too.

These are the types of tasks I really hate, because it's like, hey! Come and design a line of swimwear! Anyone can do it! I happen to have a degree in apparel design, and I'm always offended where they stick these hamsters in a situation where they have to do something that requires a skill that takes years to master, but act like there's nothing to it. From my point of view, here are a few other issues with Carey's suit that weren't mentioned:

-Beyond the fact that it was pink, it was a particularly unflattering shade of pink that would only look good on very, very tan or dark skin. The predominant color was more of a pale pink with a lot of white in the paisley, which would make most skin tones look pale, pasty and sallow, whether male or female. Carey's dark skin showed off the print to it's best advantage, but even then a deeper, brighter pink would have been better.

-It wasn't lined!!! You could really see this when the seamstress is finishing the suit and hands it to Carey. Even a sample that wouldn't likely get wet would still need to be lined, both because of the colors involved and to take down the "definition" a little bit in such a snug suit. Again, this wasn't as noticeable because Carey's skin is so dark, but on a light-skinned guy it would have looked transparent under certain lighting, and up close you'd be able to see every contour of what he's packing. Lining is a pretty straightforward process, and shouldn't have been a problem.

-The cut wasn't flattering. It was way too tight across the front, and for a second, I thought he had it on backwards. It definitely didn't fit. With only one front seam to work with, it needed to be more contoured around the, uh, ramrod, so that it didn't pull and flatten his junk. That's an easy correction to make, and suggests that the production crew was more experienced with womenswear than mens.

All these things had the effect of making the suit even less marketable than it could have been if the same idea had been executed correctly. When you're dealing with that narrow of a market, you need to be aware of those kinds of issues. But hey, they're not experts, right?