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mistahtrump
Sean deserved the win. He picked the best team based on skills and talent. Tarek sure came through for him.
Tarek did all the work for him. Made the deal with the Pontiac and SL folks, was on top of Andrea's responsibilities while she was gone. All I saw Sean do was pickout appetizers, play kissyface with Tammy, and spray his hair. Ugh. He failed to impress me at all.


Yeah Sean was following the script, being a total cheesy wanker. But don't forget the fact that Tarek may have done all the work, but Sean was able to harness his abilities for good, and had the foresight to choose him, the strongest candidate of the group. Also, he realized that he made a mistake by sending Tarek and Andrea to meet with the execs, while he planned his fake wedding with Tammy. And he tried to rectify the situation by meeting with the Pontiac guy. Sure his ideas sucked ass, but at least he acknolwedged his missteps and tried to remedy the situation.

Compare this with Lee, who was couldn't believe that Kathy Bates and Laura San Giacomo had the nerve to question his ability. In front of Carolyn, no less.

Lee was so sure of himself throughout the season, and might have been the most deluded and self-aggrandizing character on this show since Assorama. At the time I took issue with Dan's taking Lee to task for doing nothing and then sucking up to the Viceroys when they came by to see how things were going. However, now I see that he had a valid point.

Lee sucked as a project manager; he was saved only by the good people around him (Tarek, Charmaine, Sean, and, dare I say, Lenny, on the text-messaging task), and by being a total politician in the boardroom. However, his team was abhorrent in the final task (and he PICKED them), he was totally incapable of managing them, or his clients, and took a dirt nap. Contrast this with Kendra, who managed to pull out a victory despite being given Danny, Michael, and Erin.
lostcawz
Along with everyone else, I was shocked there was no actual questioning in the boardroom about the final task.


Because Trump was trying to avoid making it look like the landslide it was and any questioning about the final task would have made it painfully obvious that Lee totally botched it. Even more so than what we saw.

Lee: blows off customer meetings and tries to wing it, blows off customer concerns over obvious winging it attitude, blows off celebs, blows it.

Sean: Team member has exploding lung and is down for the count (minor nosebleed and is back in 30 minutes), Loses music (for 5 minutes before it's found), has no Pontiac signage (except for the huge monitors around the room), wants the music act to wear a panda costume (shot down immediately and forgotten).

Talking about the task simply would have made the climax even more anti-climactic than it was.
marty118
MollyZee, thank you for the correction on Dan's college education.

simong, this is where it always gets tricky. Just what does "mid level" mean? If you're looking at, say, the top 125 colleges and universities in the US, something like West Kentucky won't even be on the list. I agree with you absolutely the quality of Sean's education is much, much lower than Lee's. It is an accredited business college, though, and at the time Sean went there, assuming he actually graduated with a degree, his degree would have been accredited through Nottingham Trent, a school that falls about midway on the Guardian list. (Not that Southampton Institute classes are the same as Northampton Trent's classes--they're not. Just that it would be a recognized degree.)

Take a look at the Independent (newspaper) assessment--it seems to me pretty clear, with a bit more detail than the Guardian ranking.

p.s. The question of what to say when one's alma mater changes its name is always tricky. I have a friend who attended California State University at Hayward, which used to be referred to as 'Hayward." Now it's CSU East Bay, referred to as "East Bay." So if she says she went to "Hayward," people can't find it when they go to look it up. If she says she went to East Bay, well, she didn't--East Bay didn't exist by that name when she went there. So she often says she went to CSU Hayward, now East Bay. But to say one went to Southampton Solent Institute now Southampton Solent University seems more strained.
CheekyCricket
You do have to wonder how lopsided the results were. It's like Trump, George, Caroly, Ivana, and Don Jr didn't want to even touch commenting too much on the final tasks. It was just bizarre. I thought that might have been why we were treated to such an extensive ending of applause and onstage mingling--the decision was pretty much automatic, but no one wanted to kick Lee around too much or tell him exactly how lopsided it was, so Trump just pulled the plug.

I'm not sure which results we're talking about: if it's results in terms of the funds raised, we never found out, of course, but we did see Gold Rush auctioning a car for 30,000 and Synergy auctioning a car for 33,000 (not sure if that figure is exact), and Gold Rush had the additional "shirt off their backs" auction going on, so it's possible that the totals were reasonably close--or, as my cynical side leads me to suspect, it's even possible that Gold Rush raised more money than Synergy, and that's why the totals weren't announced. Especially when I think of Lys's turnaround in attitude toward Lee's performance: she must have been pleased with the amount raised, or otherwise she would have been bitching up a storm.

If it's the NBC poll, which is what Trump was referring to, Sean has been running steadily ahead of Lee by a substantial margin.

It just seems to me that a substantially younger finalist will always be at a disadvantage. Sean has a decade more of work experience than Lee, and although I think Lee is talented, he made dumb mistakes that seemed to reflect his relative inexperience. I actually thought Sean's performance was kind of "meh," considering his age and level of experience; I agree with others who have said that based on what we saw, Tarek carried much of the load for Sean. Of course, Sean was smart to pick him, but apart from that, I didn't see anything outstanding about Sean's performance in the final task.
MMorningstar
I don't recall if Sean said Southampton Institute or University of Southampton-- but the U of S was #37 on the list. Again, don't know which he said. But, whatever. I'm sure the decision wasn't solely based on where Sean went to school.


I believe he said Southampton University. I'm sure it doesn't matter to Trump, who insists on calling his alma mater "The Wharton School of Finance", when it is officially called "The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania." He even said it last night! People call it "Wharton" or the "Wharton School", but no one I know calls it ...school of Finance.
SecretCover
I found that remark incredibly offensive. Lenny was just joking around, although with not much success. He was probably trying to "humor" Jamie or whatever the b*'s name was. That response was totally uncalled for, even if Jamie failed to grasp his sense of humor (which is definitely somewhat quirky).

Eh, if I was asked to host an event where they wouldn't tell me what I'm going to do or say till the last second I'd be pretty bitchy too.
But I don't think she was that bad, she has a sharp tongue just like Lenny and I don't think she meant that in a malicious sort of way.
Sars
Let's move on from nitpicking Sean's academic credentials. I think the point's been made.
Phenobarbara
When Trump asked Sean if he and Tammy were going to get married (or if they were in love?), did anyone else notice Lee shaking his head in disgust while looking into the camera off to the side? It wasn't a "Oh Mr. Trump, you are too much" kind of head shake. It was a "This is so fucking stupid, can we get back to ME now?" head shake. It was so blatant, it made me laugh.
gloelle98
Did anyone see Kendra at the finale? I feel like she's been MIA...I don't remember ever seeing her anywhere over the past two seasons.

I thought Lee was a disaster from the moment he let Lenny convince him to hire Pepi. Not that I know anything about Pepi, but for the fact that Lee took Lenny's advice. Lee needs to grow a backbone--he's not ready to be a leader.
marty118
edited to remove repetitive information...I'm slow posting today. :)
tiggertwo
It would have been interesting to see how they would have handled the events if they had flipped. I wonder how well Sean would have done with Lys - I can't see his English smarm (I mean charm) working on her.

BTW, on the car auctions, I thought at Sean's event, the bnl guy had the bidding up to $40,000?

My dream final two was Andrea and Tarek - I think they would have been awesome. Lame-o year.
mom2jack
What a dumb finale. At 11:00, I quietly asked for those 90 minutes of my life back. What were the results of the charity auction? What did the sponsors think of the job the candidates did? Where was the nitpicking? In the end it came down to age and how much experience they already had. Dumb and boring.

Does Andrea ever dress up? She was at an important charity event calling out the features of the cars dressed in jeans? And then she was at the finale, surrounded by people dressed up, dressed in jeans again?!

Does anyone watch Rescue Me on FX? I am sure it was no mistake that Denis Leary and a few other members of the show's cast were on this finale.

Har-har TRUMP! Another Barenaked Ladies joke. Even George can't pretend to laugh anymore. Moron.
SecretCover
Yeah, Andrea and Tarek finale would have been great and it would have been alot more interesting to watch.

Andrea is such a goofy person! did you see how she was standing next to Trump waiting to shake his hand? it was really an awkward momment, I can relate to that.
mistahtrump
Roxanne, you complain a lot. On every task you complained about things that you recognize as being wrong, but never once did you try to step up and inform the PM that something is wrong. You just complain about it. I wouldn't hire you to walk my dog.

Seriously; the only reason that she made it to the final four was that she leeched on to Allie who, while not my favorite person, was a fairly worthy competitor.

She had zero creativity, zero managerial skills, and was lazy as hell. She would suck as a dog walker -- would probably complain about the dog making mean looks at her after pooping on her fruit salad shoes.
Kat D
The lowlights...

*Sean and Lee. I liked Lee, but he didn't have any strengths. Sean...blech.

*the relentless spin. Uh-huh. Everyone thinks these two non-entities are both "fantastic! great! I'd hire them both!" Riiigght.....

*Trump. From his leering over Sean & Tammy to his thinking we'd believe Lee and Sean are so incredibly talented if he just says it enough, I've gone from liking him to Can't. Stand. The. Sight. Of. Him.

*The voting. The overwhelming majority voted for Sean, and Trump says "I agree". Pretty decisive response, but he still thinks we're stupid enough to think he went in without already knowing who he would be choosing? Can't have it both ways.

*The events. Both botched. And, yet, no talk about the tasks or the results (for CHARITY)?

*The booing. I don't like Lenny, but he didn't deserve that. Likewise, Randal. But Trump sets the tone. He could have announced some audience guidelines beforehand. He just obviously doesn't care about people's feelings. The whole gladiator vibe is gross. TA:M would never have done it like this. It's rude, vulgar, and, yes,...very Trump.

*Kendra. Trump lavishes praise on the smarmy Sean and incompetent Lee. But he still treats his only female hire, Kendra, like dirt. And she was SO much more talented than anyone this season. It continually irritates me that he didn't recognize or utilize her abilities. (She's probably happy to be as far from him as possible though. Ditto for Randal).

*The concept. It's easy to see that Trump is not ever going to be a mentor to any of the "winners"....

The highlights:

*Don Jr and Ivanka continue to acquit themselves well. The season has been good PR for them.

*Its. Over.
Shamrock317
and Gold Rush had the additional "shirt off their backs" auction going on, so it's possible that the totals were reasonably close


I'm not so sure ... at one point didn't Lee ask one of his team how the silent auction was going? I thought the response was not so good, something about how they only had one bid for one shirt (and something about $700).

But again, without them actually sharing any results, how are we to know for sure?
hapless
I'm glad Lee didn't win because it will never be known if he would be an F2 because of his 2 religious holiday "exemptions." If he had participated in the 2 losing tasks, would have he been fired sooner? We will never know. Lee should not have been an F2 because of that, as I would consider that unethical. Two free passes for a firing is not an honorable way of playing this game because no one else got this. Unfair to the others.

Lee lost the moment his team pick was announced. Trump saw that he didn't pick based on strengths but for political reasons. This showed him that Lee couldn't run a project but by his obvious "Call me later" lip read, Lee has other uses, such as PR.

Sean's hugging and kissing of the women teammates will get him in trouble one day. That is just not done in the US. I'm sure he's been doing it before the Apprentice but getting away with it. Can you imagine his being kissy-kissy with some of the women execs we have seen during the season?

Worst apprentice ever... The International Version....Hah!!!

Because NBC did not announce the results of the vote, I ask no one to vote any time the Apprentice takes a poll. Why feed the monster?
brokenbottle
It would have been interesting to see how they would have handled the events if they had flipped. I wonder how well Sean would have done with Lys - I can't see his English smarm (I mean charm) working on her.


It wouldn't have had to. Lee's problem with her was entire self created. They made a poor early showing with crappy ideas and never could articulate what they were doing. Even when she sat down for the walk through they still didn't have details for her so she TOLD him how to run the event: handle the celebs, prep the locker room, script the half time show, etc...

Sean might not have been at that first Chrysler meeting but it didn't really look like he had to be. They jumped in, got their crap together, handled the execs well, executed a decent program and raised a ton of money. No one involved in the production was ever really given a reason to feel like the event was going to be a clusterfuck.

On a related note, Lys said she was worried initially but Lee did a good job at the end. Did anyone see what she saw? My GF and I just looked at each other when she said that and collectively wondered if she saw a totally different event or if her standards had plummeted overnight.
ash40s
The difference between Lee, Shawn and me... I'm goin' to Hawaii! I saw panic in Shawn's eyes when DT asked him the marriage question. Uh, if I say "yes" does that mean I get the job? Ok. Yes! Thank heavens they didn't cut to Tammy who looked as though she may have been on a sedative drip. I would have to be too. I wanted Allie's dress though. Cute.
thuganomics85
BTW, on the car auctions, I thought at Sean's event, the bnl guy had the bidding up to $40,000?


I heard that too. That was one of the reasons why I think Sean probably kicked Lee's ass in the task. Although, I notice one of the differences was that the Bare Naked Ladies actually showed enthusaism and were lively during the bidding. Jaime Presley, on the otherhand, was quite bad. I have seen more boring, bad line reading from her since... thinking of a bad Jamie movie... um, Poison Ivy 3 (where she tried to counter the bad acting, by getting naked every other scene.) I'm not sure if that's her fault, or Lee's for not even attempting to motivate her (wouldn't surprise me if Sean did everything in his power to pump up the BNL). I guess I'll go with both of them being at fault.

Sean's hugging and kissing of the women teammates will get him in trouble one day. That is just not done in the US. I'm sure he's been doing it before the Apprentice but getting away with it. Can you imagine his being kissy-kissy with some of the women execs we have seen during the season?


Yeah, I hope he knows better not to do that. I can buy him doing it on the show, since he lived with his teammates, and probably was friendly enough with them. But he better not try to do that in the real world, especially to ever Ivanka or Melina. But when he was kissing Andrea/Tammy at the end, I was waiting to see if he would kiss Tarek. Now, that would have been interesting.
Wacoshade
Let's move on from nitpicking Sean's academic credentials. I think the point's been made.

Indeed. Let's pick on his hair, his accent, his cheesy enthusiasm, his creepy grin...

I groaned and rolled my eyes when he hopped in his car... "I'm the new Apprentice! Yeah, baby!" oh, you did not just say that. I kept expecting him to say his middle name was Danger. *shrug* I know it wasn't an intentional reference, but even a coincidental one is 10 shades of douche. God, he makes it so easy.
potoroo
She had zero creativity, zero managerial skills, and was lazy as hell. She would suck as a dog walker -- would probably complain about the dog making mean looks at her after pooping on her fruit salad shoes.

Funny how Roxanne turned out to be the worst member of Lee's team. The only thing we saw he doing was interviewing how this or that meeting had been "a total nightmare" and she had been "so embarrassed throughout." The same shit she was pulling on all other tasks as well. Lee and Lenny probably didn't know that as they had not worked with her before.
But he better not try to do that in the real world, especially to ever Ivanka or Melina.

I think you meant Melissa.
vera101
The finale was so weird, Trump didn't review the results of the tasks or critique them in any way. It's like the fundraisers made no difference at all. There was no fighting or anything.
Also nothing came of the sizing of the hockey uniforms like it was going to be a potential disaster, what was all that?

Sean is such a caricature of himself, just like Donald Trump. He's constantly acting in terms of how people would think he should act in any give moment. I really ended up rooting for Lee over this freak. He was embarrassing. But Lee's choice of a team was just bad judgement. I think if he had Dan, Charmaine, and Roxanne it would've been better.

I can not figure out why I like watching Donald Trump. He's so weird but I would watch this show forever. He fascinates me for some reason.
Nutjob
But when he was kissing Andrea/Tammy at the end, I was waiting to see if he would kiss Tarek. Now, that would have been interesting.


I totally thought it looked like he was going to plant one on Tarek. That would have been funny!
marty118
I totally thought it looked like he was going to plant one on Tarek.


Tarek and Sean both have Arab fathers, and in many arab cultures straight men do kiss other straight men (on the cheek), in the same "cordial relations" sense. They also walk hand in hand.

Tht said, no idea what the practices of these two individual people are, of course.

Executive Planet: business customs in Egypt
Sars
Who's Melissa?
toonces464
I'm not so sure ... at one point didn't Lee ask one of his team how the silent auction was going? I thought the response was not so good, something about how they only had one bid for one shirt (and something about $700).


That was the problem this year compared to previous years...this time we saw the potential problems, but never saw how they were resolved (other than Andrea's broken blood vessel), if they were resolved at all, or if they even turned out to be problems.
SecretCover
Tarek and Sean both have Arab fathers, and in many arab cultures straight men do kiss other straight men (on the cheek), in the same "cordial relations" sense. They also walk hand in hand.

I am Arab and I'm from Israel and we do infact kiss each other on the cheeks, we're very warm people. But lol, I'm not sure about that walking hand in hand thing, that seems awfully bizarre and I don't think anyone actually does that.
NiceGuyEddie
I am Arab and I'm from Israel and we do infact kiss each other on the cheeks, we're very warm people. But lol, I'm not sure about that walking hand in hand thing, that seems awfully bizarre and I don't think anyone actually does that.


Men walking hand-in-hand is a common gesture of friendship in other cultures. I saw this all the time during my time in Kenya.
tone
I'm guessing all of the questions were about how crappy the show has become or "what the heck were you thinking picking this final 2?" so they decided not to do the section. Maybe that's why they were a couple minutes short.
Maybe nobody bothered to ask DT any questions. I know I didn't waste my time.
The person who was the hardest worker and took the most abuse without complaint was Tarek, the person that Trump was wildly jealous of and ridiculed all the way up to the season finale.
It is too bad Mensa will be forever associated with Tarek. It would have been interesting to see if he would have made F2 if he was just Tarek.
Queszocoatl
Okay, over fourteen hours since the finale...

Color me satisfied with the ending. Not elated or happy, just satisfied. Hey, somebody had to win unless Trump would have said "y'know, you both suck - EVERYBODY'S fired, see you in January," and there's no way Burnett would let that happen. I pretty much picked Sean to win it after LennyLee's team selection although when you sneak down to get some jel in your hair right before an event that will determine your future, Sean, it's not a great priority reflection. Neither is treating a catering meeting like you're planning your wedding reception or expecting a rock band's lead singer to come out on stage dressed like a damned panda, but I digress.

Not only were we missing the totals on how much was raised (likely to save Lee some face - I thought I heard his car auctions pulled in $67 thou while Sean's auction cleared that figure easily) or the percentages on who America picked (again, to save Lee from knowing that not only did trump not pick him, neither did 85% of the country) but we didn't get a final debriefing from the employees. Would it have just reinforced the foregone conclusion?

And Sean's little victory lap talk - maybe I missed something but did that whole exchange of him going crazy and driving about in his car and discussing his win seem tape-delayed? Just a tad too "produced" for me.

Anyhoo, not the best season but it was usually watchable. I'll be back after the football season if TD will.
scarletsmith
Good end to a bad season. Sean was my choice by default because Lee just truly sucks beyond all scientific possibilities (I thought Nature abhored a vacuum).

Some other observations:
  • Does no one on this show ever watch previous seasons? Seriously, the charities are told to make your life Hell and part of the task is to see how you handle things when they're not spelled out for you step by step on a dossier. Sean finally figured this out; Lee never did.
  • I like the pick-your-own-team format; this is the second year in a row they've done it, and it's produced really interesting results each time (e.g., finding out Chris is actually a competant worker; seeing how willing Andrea and Tarek were to put their own egos behind them to make Sean look good; seeing how completely incompetant Lee is without a strong behind-the-scenes project manager to carry him). And it gave us the best moment of the whole lousy season: "Pepi? Who's Pepi?"
  • The results of the voting must have really been one-sided, even more one-sided than they let on. I'm guessing the 94-6 total someone posted early may even have been generous. I know my reaction during the show was OMG, Lee is such a complete and total douchebag; Sean's whipping him by default, and I'm probably not the only person who thought that.
  • I really thought Sean was going to propose to Tammy on TV and got interrupted by Trump sending him out to the car.
  • Fire whoever directed the live shot--way, way, way too much time to fill.

I may not watch TA6.

Oh, who am I kidding? I am so this show's bitch.
exzim
Maybe its Lee's academic experience we should look at. $150,000 + for 4 years at Cornell and I graduate with an oversize ego and no business or people skills.

Time to ask for a refund I'd say.
potoroo
Who's Melissa?

Sorry, just trying to be cute... I meant Melania.

I can't wait to forget about this one. But then again, I'll just be reminded of it every time I get a telemarketing call as a result of my information being gathering and sold from the NBC voting page.

Yeah, that is so true. They got the right Apprentice, but they should have disclosed the voting results. Especially considering that some people paid money for their text message votes...
ChaiTea
This finale...what total, complete, 100%, utter CRAP.

Mind numbingly boring.
The biggest let down on an any Apprentice season everrr.
Stupid.
Positively stupid.
Stupid so stupid that it was stupid collapsed on itself and turned inside out stupid.

I feel violated for having wasted over 1.5 hours of my life watching this toolage. I want to sue for defamation of my intellect.

Pardon my French, but in the Spirit of The Apprentice, I think I speak for every viewer when I scream "WTF?!"

Absolutely no discussion of the final tasks. None. Comerical break. NBC solicited questions from the public to ask the Apprentices. Not ONE question asked. Pontiac commercial break. Scripted and contrived DRIVEL from "selected candidates" (i.e., Tammy, Charmaine, Tarek...) Commercial break. Randal??? Gimme a break. (here ya go) Commercial break.

Worst move in television history:

It was supposed to be a 'viewer's choice' finale and you don't even give the results!!!???????

I wanted to hear Brent make an ass out of himself again. I wanted to see Allie's bobble head bobble up and down as she slams Sean into the ground. I wanted to see Tammy actually ACKNOWLEDGE her romance with Sean. Something? Anything? Nope. (Just remember...it's not sexual harassment if it's welcomed...) Have Pepi stick up for himself. I wanted Pepi to do ANYTHING, except stand there like a total and complete STOOGE. "Thanks, Mr. Trump, may have I another?" I wanted to see Michael say "Yes, Mr. Trump. No, Mr. Trump. You're right, Mr. Trump. I'm an idiot, Mr. Trump" at least 11 more times. I wanted somebody to ask, "Who the hell is Summer?"

I wanted to see Trump grill the living crap out of Lee for not greeting him...for Sean meeting with CATERERS instead of Pontiac execs...Andrea, for gods sake, say SOMETHING! What's the matter? Blood on your tongue? Geez, I wanted to hear ANYTHING about the garbage they forced us to watch for the first 30 minutes of the show...

I can't wait to forget about this one. But then again, I'll just be reminded of it every time I get a telemarketing call as a result of my information being gathering and sold from the NBC voting page.


CNN Article on Sean and Tammy
doozie
CNN Article on Sean and Tammy


This is odd, though. The article didn't actually quote Sean or Tammy about the so-called marriage plans, so it's very unclear to me whether they are, in fact, engaged, as the CNN article would have us believe, or whether CNN just picked up on something that was said in the heat of the moment, under pressure, and may not have been referring to specific plans.
Montykins
Lee was so sure of himself throughout the season, and might have been the most deluded and self-aggrandizing character on this show since Assorama.


I guess you're not counting The Donald?
Jay
This is odd, though. The article didn't actually quote Sean or Tammy about the so-called marriage plans, so it's very unclear to me whether they are, in fact, engaged, as the CNN article would have us believe, or whether CNN just picked up on something that was said in the heat of the moment, under pressure, and may not have been referring to specific plans.


The whole thing is just so damned strange. I mean, the entire interpretation of it hinges on whether or not Tammy was interested in Sean. If she wasn't, than his behavior is more than a little creepy; if she was, then it's somewhat sweet, if perhaps somewhat excessive. But not only has the show not dealt with it, but there's also been practically nothing in the media about it (besides the CNN article, which, as doozie mentioned, doesn't actually quote anyone and seems to be based entirely off of Sean's statement during the finale, which may or may not reflect real life). Curiouser and curiouser.
Chicagoland
I guess some think it is a beauty pagent..

I think S6 in LA should be the last one, or at least do only one 'season' a year. [and have only Ivanka and Donny as Viceroyalty]. They would then have more time to produce a better show.

I wasn't as let down as most, though.
thuganomics85
Sorry, just trying to be cute... I meant Melania.


Yeah, that's what I ment also. I have a feeling if Sean ever got "kissy" with her, Trump might have him killed. Then again, he might not care, if the rumors are true he's taken an "interest" in AI's runner-up Katherine McPhee. Trump might have his potential 4th wife. And future task (run a Kat concert at the Trump Taj Mahal.)

Anyone else not care for the crowd reaction during the taped segments? It got a little bit annoying, whenever they laughed (Lenny/Pepi's adventures in asigning hockey uniforms) or make those "OHHH!" noises (the BR education smackdowns.) I wished they went back to the orginal format.
Listen Lady
The line between Trump and Darrell Hammond doing Trump has become blurred for me. He was like a caricature of himself last night.

I thought maybe the reason there wasn't much post-task rehashing was that Trump is only willing to put so much effort into this show anymore. His "state your name" finger gun introductions of the task sponsors each episode was a tip off.

It bugged me that Lee kept pronouncing Pepi "Pepay". It only highlighted how little he knew Pepi. And it showed how self involved he is that he can't "hear" the name pronounced correctly over and over by other people. Zenthura anyone? Bleh.

Thank you to the cosmos for making Lee answer to a woman for two whole episodes. I'm sure it was excrutiatingly painful for him.

I wonder if TPTB stepped in and kept Trump from asking Tammy about her post-show relationship with Sean. After all we've never heard directly from her that she feels anything for him but friendship.

I would have liked to hear from Tammy too. They seem like a total mismatch. Does she really want a guy who pops into the salon to do a figurative nose powdering? Eep.
Capt Clownfish
Who's Melissa?
Sorry, just trying to be cute... I meant Melania.


What about Marla?
nanasez
But he had no problem humiliating Jennifer M. during the season two finale. The problem I have with that is that she was actually a very strong contestant. Even last year with Randal, he had some negative things to say (he clearly wanted Rebecca), but here we have Lee who makes Tana look like a star and he has NOTHING to say?


This whole finale was strange. Kind of like someone ordered that they stage the "kinder, gentler" finale or something. It felt kind of Stepford-ish. Trump backtracks on not knowing Pepi. Trump backtracks on last year's attempt to hire two Apprenti. Trump softballs the whole final boardroom, making it the exact opposite of the slash and burn job done on JenM. Was Burnett thinking that with ratings falling they needed to Oprahfy the finale? Why can't they find the right balance?

But even before the final boardroom and live part, the episode was odd. It seemed like we really didn't get to see much of the final tasks. I don't care about Andrea's trip to the doctor. I want to know what happened with the tasks. They went to all that trouble just to auction off two cars per event? There just seemed to be a lot missing. Of course, maybe I was just too bored to catch what they aired. I kind of turned to a book about the Katrina disaster because the finale was such a bore.

The whole thing is just so damned strange. I mean, the entire interpretation of it hinges on whether or not Tammy was interested in Sean.


Well, she called him "Baby" at one point during the final task, so I'm guessing she wasn't adverse to his attention.

I mean, obviously Jason Priestley isn't still A-list, but I'd think that just about anyone over the age of 15 would know who he was.


I don't know. Even after last night's show, I wouldn't know him if I fell over him today. I have no idea who he is, though I've heard the name before.
MollyZee
Does anyone know why the finale was filmed in LA and not in NY, per usual? At first I assumed that they were there to pimp next season's Apprenti "on-site" in LA but instead... we had 7 minutes of dead air and manic camera panning.

Wha'?
HustleRose
It's lucky for Sean that he's male, otherwise the stunt with the hairspray would have gotten him fired.
Kat D
maybe I missed something but did that whole exchange of him going crazy and driving about in his car and discussing his win seem tape-delayed? Just a tad too "produced" for me.

Seemed so to me, too. I live in L.A. and its still light at 8 p.m.

I thought Sean's jumping and whooping when he won was very tacky. Totally in keeping with the overall season, though.

And word to the person who mentioned how competitive Trump was about Tarek and Mensa. I'm sure Tarek included that on his TA application because...because you'd put in anything that would help you stand out. Little did he know Trump would throw it up to him as in "You think you're better than me because of Mensa, don't you? Wrong!" I'm glad for Tarek that he didn't make it farther.

Also, I think Trump's repeated prying into Sean and Tammy's relationship was another bit of his competitiveness and ego and pretty demeaning to Tammy and Sean the way he did it. (Loved her answer to him though).

And the ending was strange. Clearly, they were trying to fill time with audience shots and looped music rather than actually talk to the winning/losing/past candidates or hear any more comments from DT. That looped music went on way too long.

Weird ending, especially for the very detail-oriented and precise Mark Burnett!
Wallyhorse
MollyZee wrote:

Does anyone know why the finale was filmed in LA and not in NY, per usual? At first I assumed that they were there to pimp next season's Apprenti "on-site" in LA but instead... we had 7 minutes of dead air and manic camera panning.


The finale was in LA because they were filming Apprentice 6 that will begin airing in January. Also, it would have been difficult to get a suitable venue in New York for the finale because at this time of year many such are booked for high school and college graduations.

As for the "dead air", from what I've heard they did announce the $30,000 winner as being someone from Utah, but otherwise, I think some of that had to do with what I already noted was possibly the situation with the NBC affiliate in Raleigh-Durham, as the Carolina Hurricanes played Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals against the Edmonton Oilers Monday night.
Tony3456
Funny how Roxanne turned out to be the worst member of Lee's team.


I'd give that to Lenny. I think Pepi and Roxanne probably did what they could. I can't blame her for complaining. She didn't complain on tasks which were well run (and we also saw Sean doing his share of bitching instead of really trying to help change some tasks, like the Ellis Island task). I was glad to see Roxanne go, but I don't blame her for making a few negative comments on this task.
mom2jack
When DT asked Sean the marriage question, you could faintly see Tammy in the dark background laughing her ass off.

When they panned the bleachers at Chelsea Piers, it looked like about 100 people, who didn't look like they had real deep pockets for $700 hockey jerseys and $30,000 cars. I'm surprised a "celebrity" match like that wouldn't be a bigger draw. I'd rather see Michael J. Fox than the BNL any day.

While I was watching Lee's "event," I came up with at least 3 things he could have done to make it better. The silent auction was a joke - volunteers at my son's elementary school staged a better silent auction than that. I could have written a script for the team intros AND the auction in less than an hour. I would have put together some kind of video montage of the charity and how they are helping people to be playing, which would potentially inspire people to open their wallets. The whole event was so strange.
celestial904
As some have stated, I don't think Lee even knew what a celebrity charity event was supposed to look like. Ususally organizations are so thankful for the celebs' help that they make sure they are *very* pampered while at the event. Lenny does not equal pampered. Roxanne should have been put on them because 1) she at least knew who they are and 2) her fawning may take away from the actual lack of care put into the celebrities.

Did anyone else find it gross when Jamie was being shown around the locker room. Those players started at her feet and never quite reached her face.

I was so glad they switched Lys out for another executive ONLY because I did not want Lee's total lack of planning to be blamed on her. I loooovvveed the new executive's "WTF" face when Jason Pristley (sp?) arrived.

It seems that, each season, the event that is in a rink or a field is never the better event. I agree that Sean's event had a certain professional and polished feel to it and while watching I was blaming this on Lee's inability to perform. But... is it even possible to make a rink look as polished as a hotel?

The finale was awful and I feel that viewers deserve an apology.
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