Wow, what to say about this episode. The coven crashed and the HoYay was going on big time between Lee and Sean. “I love Lee. I adore him.” (Insert tired and played out Brokeback Mountain joke here.)

Unfortunately, the love was not going on with the ladies. Tammy was totally thrown under the bus by Allie and Roxanne. They were undermining her from the start when Bill first got there and the tootling horns of incompetence were playing loud and proud. I loved that Allie got called out by both Ivanka and Bill about rolling her eyes at Tammy.

The girls presentation was meh. The sign was crap, the display was crap, what was that, carpet samples thrown on the floor? We wanted to give customers the impression that the Xbox 360 wasn’t high tech? Are you serious? “I don’t want to hear shit about signs.” STFU Roxanne. Not feeling the love for her at all this episode.

That having been said, the guys presentation was crap too. They got totally screwed by their contractor. But as the execs pointed out, it was small and Sean telling them that they could improve it later was just stupid.

I actually figured that the execs were going to say that they both failed miserably. I really thought that the execs were going to say that they didn’t like GR putting all of the competing products in a display for the Xbox 360, but what do I know, that was actually the part that won the task for them.

Boardroom: I always love it when a coven has to turn on one of its own. The choice in this case was actually pretty easy. 1-2 as PM. Tammy had to go. Even though she got no support from her team, the idea was all hers and the idea was a well executed loser. As she said, “I want this to be all about me,” and “I failed as a project manager.” You never say those things. Ever. Cobra’d. Sorry, sometimes you get what you ask for.

Edited because Ivanka is not Carolyn, not even a little bit.

That was such crap.

I wasn't even interested. The ep came on after Deal or No Deal and was taking care of stuff for work when this shit appeared on my screen.

Apparently, this show, which once was ostensibly about finding the most capable candidates, has devolved into a catty, gossipy, back-biting, pointless endeavor that exists as a 45-minute ad for some product that has 15-minutes of some undefined social "game" that exists in a world separated from the actual business world.

Seriously, Tammy is gone? And those bitches stay even after being called out for their sabotage and not ONE of the viceroys can say that perhaps it wasn't the best choice, since Tammy was the only one that did anything worthwhile. Even the signs...Roxane didn't give a shit and said as much. How does someone have such a piss-poor attitude and not be knocked down a peg?

I've tried an episode here and there and this season there is not one person to care about, let alone root for.

Oh, and Trump, you are too fucking gross to live. Like, at all.

Wow. Let me just preface by saying

N-N-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Roxanne? First of all, I didn't even know you was a bitch!

Allie? I knew all along that you were a bitch!

Tammy? You so didn't deserve that and it was clear those bitches were in cahoots with each other. I am surprised no one called it out.

I hate this because now, I find myself rooting for Lee and Sean. This season sucks. Tammy was the absolute last one I actually liked. Unforutnately, sucktastic assholes like Roxanne and Fucking Allie threw her to the wolves.

Tammy, you deserve soooooooo much better than the Hair!

Ivanka, I am glad you hate Allie. I hate her so fucking much as well.

The most undeserving final four yet.

What was the budget on this task, 5 bucks? They couldn't even set up a tent right. Trump should've fired them all and cut his losses.

I would love for Trumpy to have fired Allie & Roxanne after firing Tammy. Say hello to Sean, the new apprentice! He seems competent and isn't "Too young". He had good ideas for the presentation...they just needed a bit more time for the plan. The Synergy plan just didn't scream Walmart or XBOX to me. I would have been just as happy with an Allie/Roxanne firing. ARGH!!!

I guess the teams could have saved themselves alot of time and effort by throwing up a table, slapping some electronics and price stickers down and gone home. They were both crap, but at least Synergy had a display.

The sign over the display was not why they lost the task. Tammy wasn't open to other ideas, she had her heart set on the award presentation/red carpet idea.

The cynic in me says that the real reason they lost the task is because Burnett wanted to pit a final two girl group versus the last two guys and so the girls team had to lose.

They all suck and this season is the worst ever.

I thought Roxanne and Allie acted like a-holes the entire time. But the fault truly was Tammy's--she focused too much on the "theme" and not enough on selling the product.

(I put "theme" in quotation marks because, really, do we need to be told that X Box = "entertainment"?)

I wish we'd gotten to see Sean deal with the contractor when the ceiling arrived, just after the presentation ended!

Who the hell buys all that Trump-branded crap? The watches, ties, suits, water??

As a native New Yorker, I grew up understanding what a ridiculous mockery of business Trump is (and that is being kind), so I can't imagine anyone wanting to emulate him.

"Hey, that's a nice watch you got there"
"Oh, thanks, it's a Trump!"

Yecchhhhh.

Yes, tedious and disappointing. At this point I don't care who stays or goes. Though I did hoot at Allie's "I wasn't 'rolling my eyes' -- I was just LIFTING my EYEBROWS." I've tried that one before myself. Doesn't work.

I don't think they made a terrible decision firing Tammy. She was extremely shrill in the boardroom, her voice rising to higher octaves than Nicole Sullivan's Mad TV impression of Melanie Griffith. She didn't do a good job of defending herself, and she erred in spending all her time on Roxanne instead of focusing on Allie. I don't remember her doing anything great for the team anyway - when she did win as PM, Allie did most of the work.

Ivanka really hates Allie, doesn't she? I've never seen anyone called out before in the boardroom for rolling their eyes. Ivanka and Hair Jr. did their best to get Allie fired the last time she was in the boardroom. I wonder what that's about. And why does Ivanka continue to let the blind choose her clothes? Tonight she was dressed like Julia Hoffman from Dark Shadows.

I was very impressed with how Roxanne defended herself in the boardroom. Too bad she can't bring it for tasks.

Lee/Sean altenately bore and repulse me. I thought their presentation looked amateurish. Lee showed more skill as a voiceover artist than he ever has on this show.

How embarrassing for poor Tammy when Trump, drool flying from his mouth, said there was nothing wrong with taking things personally. He does all the time. Tammy, you too can go bankrupt 500 times!

Was Bill wearing lipstick? Are his lips always that red?

Yeah. I give them each about a 10% chance of being hired. The other 60% is that Trump fires them all.

OMG. Yeah, exposing the Coven for what it is in the Boardroom, about time. As Tortfezr said, nice job of Bill & Ivanka to call bullshit on Allie for the eye-rolling.

Also, at least Trump got over the "your names please" method of "introducing" the week's judges. "Would you please introduce yourselves" is at least reasonably polite, and to me, after his previous method at least, doesn't make it sound like he can't even be bothered to know their names...

I kinda expected that Synergy would be the losers considering the theme of the day from The Donald, followed by Roxanne and Allie half-assing it, but I was worried when Gold Rush's contractor problems occurred. I mean, you can like or not like the boys in general (I figure it's general Lee-hate that led to his early numbers on the "Get Rich with Trump" bit), but other than say, not having a good plan B, and not making the display big enough, they figured out what needed to be done for this task *without* all the "we'll win this cuz hey, we're guys, and we know Xbox" kinda stuff that we've seen in the past. (They should take note of that, but it probably won't happen.)

I dunno, I kinda expected Tammy to get the boot once Synergy lost (boy, weren't those some well-placed shots of the looks on the judges' faces during those presentations, both actually, but especially Synergy's) due to it being her idea, plus the inevitable Allie-Roxanne combine... but still, the latter two were not particularly helpful. I was kinda wishing for a triple firing, even though I knew it wasn't coming...

As far as the reward this week, I actually thought it was pretty good. I mean, assuming they actually used Sean and Lee's voices for the cameo roles there in the movie, that would be *way* cool to me, and even if they didn't, the chance to check out Dreamworks would still be pretty fun.

Hmm, next week looks like another fashion show. Wonder if this bodes badly for the boys? Although, given the shot of Trump saying something like he's really surprised or disappointed or whatever it was, maybe it doesn't bode so well for the girls...

I agree that the whole thing felt engineered to produce a two guys vs. two "girls" final four.

I can't see any of the remaining candidates being very effective in Trump World. The choice will come down to who sucks the least.

Well, that blows up my fantasy game pick. I guess it's Sean by defaut.

Tammy: nice, pleasant lady, but no ideas. I have to agree with Trump: she was in over her head from the beginning. Of course, after tonight's episode, it's hard to imagine Allie or Roxanne in the final two slot, either. All three of them came off looking pretty bad. Tammy looked weak and unimaginative, Allie looked bitchy, and Roxanne looked "meh."

I agree, fire the rest of these fuckers! They suck so bad....especially Roxanne. Marshawn is ten million times better than that asshole!

Is it just me, or did anyone else think Ivanka looked shocked/annoyed at that firing? It was pretty clear that she (and to a lesser extent Bill) were gunning for Allie.

I am so sick of the "You couldn't handle X"/"X couldn't be handled" reasons for firing. They've been used over and over again to justify firing whomever Trump doesn't like at a given moment. Allie acted far worse than Andrea did on the Ellis Island task, and Tammy was far better than Allie was at Ellis Island. Allie and Roxanne have systematically ganged up on every other member of Synergy at this point; it's not everyone else's fault!

I would have been very annoyed had Gold Rush lost this one, because they would have lost only because they had an incompetent subcontractor. Given that they couldn't have gotten much better work out of the subcontractor without threats of physical violence, they shouldn't be blamed.

For both teams: Does anyone seriously buy an XBox 360 to play music? At $400 and without an independent speaker system, I hope not. It's a gaming console--the other stuff is an afterthought because the thing's so expensive. Unlike the previous generation, the price isn't competitive with DVD players.

Old generation:
PS2 or XBox: $200-$300
DVD Player: $50-$150

New generation:
PS3 or XBox 360: $400-$600
DVD Player: $30-$100

The only reason to have a movie station is to sell the big screen TV it's playing on, not to sell XBoxes. For music, even more so.

The best part of the ep, in my opinion, was the Sean-Lee lovefest. How goofy did they look taking cellphone snaps of each other in the middle of Wal-Mart?!

No kidding. I can't believe this is what we're left with. I honestly don't believe that Trump would let anyone left run one of his companies. He's probably going to throw them in that windowless room that Kelly's in.

I loath both Allie and Roxanne. They really are harpies. Can't stand Allie and her constent smirks. Or Roxanne and her big gums. Both of them can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. Tammy did screw-up, but she was a lot more professional then those two fools.

That being said, it's not like Lee and Sean are anything to cheer about. Lee has what it takes to get shit done, but he's still a slimeball. Sean at least seems like a decent human being, but he's still all over the place.

Both tasks ended up sucking, but I agreed that they could at least work with Gold Rush's concept somehow. But Sean was lucky that he had Lee to help him. Roxanne/Allie would have just let him crash and burn.

What I did love about this episode: Sean/Lee's movie role being only one line, and their new "relationship." First it was Allie/Roxanne, then it was Tammy, and it is Lee. I guess Synergy drove Sean completely away from women, into the arms of Lee. Although I was waiting for him to hit on Ivanka. I wonder how Trump would have handled that.

F2? I'm hoping Sean and Lee. But I have a feeling that Roxanne will make it somehow. Trump's probably wanting to hire an Africian-American woman before this show is canceled, so he might as well do it now. Too bad, because I hate her.

Tammy and Andrea were correct, Allie and Roxanne are very immature and high school. Why are they in the final four??? It almost feels like they were not good enough even to get fired.

Hmmm. Well, if what happened to Gold Rush happened to me, I'd be holding back laughing like a madman and at the soonest convenience find a bathroom, bar or some other place and then start cracking up like "Unbelievable!" I wish we got to see that scene cause I was sooo expecting Sean and Lee in a shot exiting the building, stopping on the sidewalk with arms out, heads shaking, and laughter. And this would have nothing to do with having seen the ladies' presentation...just based on the frumpy disaster they just spearheaded.

What was with the 1950's Suzy Homemaker music when Synergy was being shown their space in Wal-Mart? Wow. Hilarious...but not in a misogynistic way. Thanks editors.

I had my closed-captioning on and whenever the word "X-Box" came up it would say "Ex-Bomb." I can't tell if these are the same guys that caption Comedy Central and whenever 'big' words come up they type something like "astronomibubububiclex" or if someone's a little bit anti-M$oft.

Yeah right Trump, "DEATH TO SABOTEURS!!! but keep the backstabbers, liars, and eyerollers. With a opening like that I was expecting a real big display of sabotage by Allie and/or Roxanne, and a awesome discovey by Tammy of what they were doing, and a explosive boardroom fining of Allie and/or Roxxanne...but nothing....why do I believe in the opening montages, and previews.

Yeah Tammy's idea didn't have any info/prices of the products, but how hard would it have been for Allie/Roxanne to suggest that, maybe they would have noticed if they weren't so busy rolling their eyes at each other.

I thought this was a deserved firing, despite the eye rolling. Tammy definitely doesn't have it in her to lead.

Does DreamWorks Studio have a new animated movie coming out?

The team did undermine her the entire time. Those other bitches KNEW what they were doing. I hate Roxanne and I miss Marshawn.

TigerHawk said:

Word, word and WORD again! I thought she was going to rip into dear ole dad for that one. She had this look that said, "Damnit, man, I'm tellin' ya the girl just sucks. Fire her already!"

Coolest reward in the world! I hope that the California shows have a lot of Hollywood rewards. So much better than talking to some boring senator or mayor or socialite. Fly me on your plane, Jeffrey! Please...

I wish we had seen the PM discussions on Synergy. If Tammy volunteered immediately, that was a dumb move. IMO, she should have hoped Allie volunteered bc she should have guessed that The Coven would be against her from the start.

I was rooting for the guys because Sean was PM, and Lee didn't really screw up. If Lee had been PM? I'd be a lot more pissed right now. :)

A triple firing would have been fantastic, but 2 people left for 3 weeks would not have worked.

What did Allie say before she left?

This pretty much guarantees Lee in the F2, ugh!

Bill definitely did!

Allie said: I promise, no more eyerolling! [eyeroll]Yeah, right![/eyeroll]

The thing with the 360 and the other nextgens is that you'll be able to network with your existing PCs...where other pictures, videos, and music may lie in. The eventual plan essentially with most companies is to have one system that's your computer/tv/movie/video/music hub.

As for competing with DVD players. They're not trying to. DVDs will be on their way out starting this year as the Hi-Def players battle begins. The 360, I believe is backing up the HD-DVD format while Sony's backing up the Blue-Ray format. What I noticed that "I swear I'm hip!" Microsoft guy (I say this because of other times I've seen him.) claimed was that the 360 provides a "Hi-Def entertainment experience," and that kind of claim is kinda shady considering that the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 isn't out yet, and arguable that their existing games are true HD.

So if your display is truly falling apart at the seams, it's ok because you posted the prices of the stuff inside? Man, they played Wal-mart like a fiddle.

LOVED Ivanka in the boardroom. And Trump's final "Just go. Enough." to Allie was brilliant.

Fine, fire Tammy. Anything to stop that screeching! Has her voice always been like that?

As much as I wanted Tammy to survive I think this firing was the perfect setup: Trump wants to see Roxanne and Allie rip each others throats out. Heck, so do I. Tonight was just a preview that Allie is going to throw her BFF Roxanne under a bus... and stand by and watch while it runs over her a couple of times.

Edited for grammar...

So, something we're trying to figure out here - Was this episode filmed before or after the whole "Exploding-X-Boxes" thing? Because if one of them happened to ignite and take out the rest of these sorry contestants, I'd be okay with that.

On the plus side - Dreamworks trip. I now have to see Over the Hedge, and laugh far too much at Sean's magical trandformation into the "Barbeque Man."

I totally agree with those who find this to be the worst final four yet. I don't see any of these four as being strong contenders in the other seasons, never mind making the finals.

While I didn't want Tammy to get fired, it was less a vote for her and more a vote against the other two. Surprisingly, I find I prefer Allie to Roxanne. I never would have guessed that at the start of the season.

While I found the women's display much more friendly and inviting, I did see it as more of a hang out rather than a place that would encourage buying. In fact, if they had that display at the Wal-Wart near me, I'd go there regularly and play games so I wouldn't have to lay out the cash for the actual console. Given that, I'm not surprised the executives chose the other display.

She said "I promise, No more eye-rolling". To which Trump responded "Yep cause..." *table slap, finger point* "YOU'RE FIRED BITCH!!!"

Wha..wait..he didn't? Just my imagination then.

EDIT: potoroo beat me to it. Sorry but TWoP is acting up tonight.

Tandemanium: Thanks, but I'm still confused. What's the point of networking with your existing PC to run music or videos through a console before they get to your TV or stereo? I guess it could conceivably be less complicated to wire your 360 to speakers and TV and then connect the PC to the 360, but since the 360 isn't a portable system, that doesn't seem to be worth much to me. Still, I didn't even get that from either display.

As to the HD-DVD vs. Bluray vs. standard DVDs comparison, that still sort of requires you to have HD-DVDs that you want to play. Promoting it based on its HD-DVD capability is sort of like trying to sell a perfectly working hydrogen car--it would be wonderful if it wasn't too far ahead of its time to work. When the PS2 and XBox came out, DVDs were plentiful already.

Like I said, it's a minor selling point for the next generation systems, but a great excuse to promote Walmart's HDTVs.

First of all, I think the firing was deserving. It was Tammy's concept. I am not sure about the editing, so I am very conflicted. Although Allie and Roxanne can be catty, they have always seemed to go above and beyond when they were not pm (maybe it just sales task, I don't know). It seems to me that none of their ideas were used, and they just gave up and did what was asked, no more, no less. If I were Tammy, I would have been pissed, but Tammy lost me when she said it was all about her. For Roxanne, who is about playing well in the sandbox and "girl power", I could see her letting her crash and burn with that statement. If Tammy wanted to motivate her team to work for her, then saying my and I will not cut it. So while I do think that Allie/Roxanne were bitchy throughout this episode, I cannot imagine why they would give their all to a concept they could not have any imput. I think it is just human nature. I am very disappointed, though, because they worked so well together last week, and I wanted them to continue their winning streak due to the fact that I think Sean and Lee are weasels.

These boardrooms and tasks are getting lamer and lamer. Trump could at least pretend to be pissed at Allie and Roxanne and make them fight for themselves. I guess he sort of did with Roxanne but... I didn't doubt for a single second, the entire episode, that Tammy was being fired.

Tammy's problem in the boardroom was....she wasn't Rebecca. I was yelling at my television screen for her to say the words "loyalty and integrity". But alas, didn't happen.

I think Trump had it out for her when she roasted his hair plugs before the Hair Cuttery task.

Maybe that's why I'm so pissed. I can see why Tammy left, but I would have liked if at the least, Trump said something like "But you two need to shape up!" to Allie/Roxanne after the firing. He did something similiar to Sean/Lee last week. What about them, Trump? Maybe they didn't deserve a firing, but their attitude does need a major adjustment.



For me, it's I'm starting to believe the "Roxanne is riding Allie's cottails." I think Allie has done a lot of things to keep herself here. And has done a good job when not PM. But Roxanne is just FUTR, never seems to really go out of her way to help the PMs, and when she's PM, she usually is "saved" by her teammates (Allie last week, and according to the clipshow, she almost succumbed to Andrea, had Sean not told her to trust herself.) There like Alla and Felisha. Only a lot worse.

Oh my... That's why the spiel about how he never forgets if anybody says something bad about him, before Tammy was fired?

Hopefully they will be fired like Alla and Felisha as well.

This is the first time I've managed to watch an episode relatively in full in quite a while, so it's interesting to see what's going on.

Anyway...

Roxanne - SHUT UP. Tammy was already in the hole. You don't talk when someone is clearly going down.

Tammy - Minute Synergy lost, I was saying "Project manager going down" Once they had that confessional of her saying that it was all "her vision" she was gonna be responsible

Allie - Stop trying to outcool Ivanka. You'll lose. Speaking of which, Ivanka? Awesome.

Lee - Seems to be handling himself reasonably well. I think he'll go all the way to F2. Only problem is that he really shouldn't have spoken out of turn when Trump was talking to Synergy. That's just a mistake.

Sean - Darn lucky dude. It's a good thing aesthetics took a backseat to the sales because otherwise, you'd be going home so fast. The guy's about ready to crack.

All in all, not a bad ep, and I'm so glad I don't have to hear the high pitched whine of Tammy.

ITA, I had the same thought, and was disappointed when he didn't...

Also, yeah, Sean and Lee's expression when the guy showed up with their ceiling -*after* the presentation- was priceless. I don't blame Sean for obviously wanting to kill him, or at least give him a good reaming. I still think they should've had some kind of Plan B just in case, anyway.

I knew that roof thing was going to be a problem from the beginning just because they went into such detail about how it was the anchor for the whole display.

Tammy may be a little self-deluded about her abilities, but I still think what she said in the cab was true: Allie and Roxanne will totally implode, I predict, without someone else to come up with the ideas. Could be really fun it they turn on each other.

The BRs just get more and more ridiculous. Trump's firings have nothing to do with the task or who deserves to go anymore. Not that Tammy was particularly stellar. But there was no rational discussion of the task at all or uncovering of what the weaknesses were and who was responsible for them. It just consisted of Tammy yelling (loudly!--sheesh, I had to turn down the volume), saying basically nothing, and Trump and Roxanne just egging her on. Ugh. By far my least favorite BR of the season.

Oh, and I officially hate Roxanne and Allie now. Can't believe that I'm actually finding myself rooting for Lee. He has to be the front-runner now. And I blame Trump for that.


Someone checked the imdb.com page for Over the Hedge a few days ago and posted on the spoiler thread that Lee and Sean are both credited in the movie. So I think they did survive editing.


I think it's hilarious that they gave him a role that was all "noises" instead of actual words, because of the accent issue, I assume.

I personally don't care what color Roxane is - IMO, she just doesn't have IT to beat the other three candidates. She couldn't even execute the easiest task today - signage. Any 12-year-old could do a better job. I liked Allie today. I think she is a strong candidate. She sure knows how to handle herself in the BR.
Also, I bet it was Lee's idea to display other products and price cards.

I think he missed that boat already...and Marshawn was on it. Roxanne can't even hold a candle to Marshawn.

Holy Flaming BWAH! - I am BBQ Barry!
Sean, oh Sean, just SHUT UP please.

Tammy gets shrill and goes down - Allie gets evil, gets called on it but knows when to shut it and survives - Roxanne uncovers her undercover bitch much to her detriment

Lee - wins

And honestly, have you ever seen something in Wal-mart where the price isn't there? Usually, should you run across that, either the item's in the wrong place, or it's likely a mistake. That's Wal-mart's thing, their low prices on stuff... so really, yeah, Synergy screwed up by not showing the "price points" (as they like to term them). You could tell that if anything was going to save GR's butts, it would be that they *did* have those.

Marshawn was awesome. I predicted her in the F2 with Randal. But refusing to present really made her look bad. Even if they lost, she wouldn't have been hurt by presenting. But on the topic of this episode, Roxanne disappointed me a lot because I had been rooting for her previously. Her comment about not complaining about the signage because at least she brought it was really defiant and stupid. Meh.

Oh, I agree with you. But I'm just speculating on how Trump feels. He seems to really like her, and he strikes me as the person who wants to make sure that all his "bases" are covered. He's already hired a women (Kendra) and a minority male (Randal), but I'm sure he wants to hire a minority woman, so he can be all "You see, Amercia! I'm not sexist or racist!"



Hell, I'm not sure if Roxanne could hold a candle to Tara. Tara screwed up, but I thought she was more mature and had more class then Roxanne ever did. I defintley had more respect for Marshawn and Tara, no matter what flaws they had.