So long as I don't have to watch Caprica to get what's going on on BSG and so long as they don't tie themselves up in knots on continuity issues (I don't want to have to have a BSG story go a certain way because they had to have some story on Caprica), and so long as they have different day-to-day show runners so we don't get a split in attention, I think it will be fine. It might even be good. But it needs to be its own, separate show. And they need to follow the golden prequel/sequel rule - first, do no harm. Or what I like to call the Lucas rule after the man who seemed determined to ruin the movies of my youth with substandard "prequels".

From zap2it:



I've had a hard time staying consistently interested in BSG, but this still sounds very appealing. Hopefully they'll acquire a cast as good as BSG's. And frankly, I can live without the space battles anyway.

"Caprica" could work if it was substancially different from BSG (less of a military emphasis, for example). There's plenty of potentially interesting stories which could be told, not only about the creation of the Cylons but also the Earth myth, Colonial politics and so forth. Does this mean we'll see the old "classic" Cylon model at some point?

I'm very dubious about the prequel. I just don't see where the tension and conflict and action will come from. Given that it appears the 12 Colonies were pretty much like modern Earth, this series sounds like it will be more soap opera than science fiction. Look, there's folks hanging out by the River Walk in Caprica City! Goodness, look at the people in the cafe in Delphi! Hey, there goes a school group through the museum!



Good god, it will be Dallas on the 12 Colonies!

It sounds boring and misconceived, without any of the compelling elements of the current series.

Also, I'm worried that RDM doesn't Whedon on us and spread himself too thin -- I sure don't want to see BSG go the route of Buffy.

Or "Alias" and "Lost", really.

This is outstanding news!
Personally, I love the space battles, but the quality writing (Black Market not included) and drama is what makes BSG so outstanding and much more than an ordinary Sci-Fi event. If RDM and David Eick can deliver the same level of quality that they are currently delivering then I'll be watching every single week. If they create a new The O.C, only on Caprica with A.I. characters (The C.C.), then I'll pass.

Yes, that's my main concern as well. I wouldn't mind another Dallas, which was terrific television for its first several years, IMO, so long as it doesn't hurt the current show and I think the obvious way it could hurt it is by diluting the time and attention of TPTB. I was relieved to see the 24 person attached to the project, perhaps he will be the actual show runner? I can't imagine being heavily involved in more than one series, since by everything I've ever read or heard, show runners can work 70-80 hours a week, easy. I mean RDM already talked about how he re-wrote Res. Ship on his family vacation. I understand the desire to strike while the iron is hot, but I can't help but worry about him stretching himself too thin. But perhaps it's just because I still remember his Black Market podcast and the concern about doing 20 episodes a season of this show. Surely, he recognizes that doing two shows would be worse and will leave the heavy lifting to someone else.

Hopefully he and Eick are just working on the overall concept and basic underlying historical concepts for the show premise. It would be wonderful if we could get reassurance from RDM on this score though.

While the article does make it seem like a far from solidified project, I have to add my skepticism to the mix. Prequels and sequels are rarely good and so often they represent disingenuous motives. I believe TPTB of Battlestar are talented, capable, and could generate something of quality, but do we need this yet? We only have two Seasons of BG and we’re just beginning our relationships with these people, there is so much we have to learn and so many avenues to explore, I want to see energy and creativity devoted to the characters we are already invested in, instead of giving us a whole new set (hello! Anders/Light Bright Girl/The Hooker). Besides, we did see some struggles this last season of perhaps biting off more than one can chew and the shaky character development that came as a result. If they have a desire to explore family/relationships pre-attack, gives us some damn back-story – again with the characters we’re already invested in.

I've got a bad feeling about this. I am having serious Galactica 1980 flashbacks. Okay, maybe that's an unfair comparison, but I would just have to ask why? Why do they feel the need to do this? My thought is greed and that is why I agree with this:

I will give Moore and Eick the benefit of the doubt and hope that they just want to approach the Galactica saga from a different angle, but the Sci-Fi Channel is another story. I suspect that Sci-Fi wants to milk this show for all they can. They have a critically-acclaimed, Peabody Award-winning hit, so they probably figure that if one is good, two will be even better because it means more exposure and more revenue for the channel. The more I think about it, the more I hope this spin-off doesn't get the go-ahead. Lost has ruined the use of flashbacks for me, but I think I would rather see the storylines of Caprica told through this method on BSG.

Those two articles that were linked to said that Caprica would follow two families, including the Adamas, ancestors of William. I wonder if Bill will even be a character on this show. If so, I would assume that he would be about nine years old, if Bill is supposed to be EJO's age.

In addition to quality concerns for BSG, as well as other concerns I share with y'all, I worry that it won't have enough story. We know how it ends up 50 years later. So, I imagine they're going for more of a character/family drama. Another concern is that it won't be alien enough. Just too "current earth" like a lot of what passes for SF on that channel.

And ... if RM and DE needed more time between seasons this last go round, I shudder to think how many sub-par "Black market" type eps we'll be seeing for both shows. Already the name of the non-adama family sounds like it was selected by a SciFi Channel exec's 7 year old.

But, for now, I am keeping an open mind.

Remember, though, that 50 years prior to BSG means that the Cylon Revolt is due to break out any day now, leading us to Cylon War I...

RDM can barely do 20 consistently good BSG episodes now hes going to try and do a spin-off aswell?

Someones biting off more then they can chew.

Well, be fair, presumably the conflict will come from the Cylon uprising. Which we've all been dying to know more about (gods, the back and forths about it in the morality/Home threads). But yeah, I, too, fear dilution.

Bottom line, we're suspicious coz we care about the Galacticans and don't give a stuff about Joseph and wossname (Mrs.) Adama. If they can make us care about them, too, if they can set up equally flawed/interesting characters without letting BSG go off the boil, then I'm all for it.

We need multiple copies of Eick and Moore.

Interestingly, it reminds me of Tarzan. I know he's Greystoke, but it sounds similar.

This thread is to discuss the new spinoff series from Battlestar Galactica that SciFi will produce. It's called Caprica. Acording to the press release:

I find this very interesting. I've always wanted them to explore the details of Colonial life, the differences between each Colony, cultural, economical and political; but I've known that such things probably don't fit the format of Battlestar Galactica. But this new series would be ideal for that.

What do we know about the Adamas? IIRC, we're told that Bill Adama's father was some sort of lawyer. So maybe he won't be doing the "corporate intrigue, techno-action and sexual politics" part of the story. And what about this Graystones? I'm sure we've never heard of them before.

If done right it could be a very good show indeed. Would TWoP recap it?

PS: Since the story comes from SciFi directly I thought that it was appropiate to start this thread. If it's not Ok, I apologize in advance.

It suffers a bit from Stories I Know the Ending To Syndrome. I mean, it's *possible* to tell a compelling story when everybody already knows how it ends, but it's certainly a handicap. Will Li'll Billy Adama die of Space Mumps? I'm pretty sure he won't, no matter how furrowry his parents look around his bedside (although getting to Granpa Adama - Liberal Attorney at Space Law in action could be interesting).

It'll probably be good. But, like I said, "In a hundred years, who's going to care?" is supposed to be a rhetorical question. You're not actually meant to be able to say "Nobody, because they'll all be dead, on the run, or hooked up to Baby Farms"

Does this mean we get to see the Old School, Men-In-Suits Cylons again?

Two bits of speculation:

Perhaps the overhead of jumpstarting the new series is why the start of BSG Season 3 has been bumped back to October? That, and/or they wanted to premiere the two shows back-to-back?

Second, if Adama's dad was a civil rights lawyer, and the show revolves around the creation of the first Cylon, could we perhaps see the elder Adama in action as an advocate for the Cylons? As in, the Cylons sue for recognition of their sentience and civil rights in a Dred Scott-like case, Adama takes the case and loses, and that loss eventually leads to the whole Cylon war? Might be an interesting way to go about it...

I'm curious about scheduling. Will this be on concurrently with BSG or will it air when BSG has a season break? If the two series overlap and they're shown back-to-back, that could cause some trouble for the Stargate franchise but we could get some great episodes showing events in the past and how they effect the future.

Looking at the new shows Sci-Fi has planned, it seems they're trying to get more nights of original scripted programming out there. Maybe Fridays will be BSG night and the Stargates will move to, say, Mondays.

It would be extremely interesting, but it wouldn't mesh well with BSG. The son of the man who would've been perceived as the ultimate Cylon lover would never be trusted by the survivors. If the elder Adama had been involved in such a high profile case, the surname Adama would become mudd after the First Cylon War. People can be vengefull creatures, so I doubt that Bill Adama could've rised so high in the military, wife with connections or not, with such a family connection.

A quick note - Sci Fi has only ordered a script to "Caprica" (as well as the others on that list). We're a ways from them actually turning into a series.

Also note that the new show "Eureka" will be airing on Mondays (starting July 17) so it appears there are plans to expand beyond its Friday mainstays.

Frankly, my first thought when I saw the spin-off news headline was that they were going to split up the existing cast, a la Buffy/Angel, and I am just very relieved that that is not the case. As long as the new show doesn't interfere with the quality of BSG, they can do whatever they want with it, and it can rise or fall on its own merits.

I...just don't know what to make of this new series. While I want to know more about Colonial life (religion, history, etc), I don't know if a full-fledged series would be a good idea. I'd prefer a limited series or a mini. I'll give it a shot--but, like Enterprise, I'd rather see the events that immediately precede the events in BSG; in other words, I'd rather see the events that lead to the First Cylon War (if I'm not mistaken, the FCW happens pretty soon after the unification of the colonies?).

Craziness! This sounds like one of those origin/backstory/what if comics that usually pique my curiosity enough to ask someone who has read them what they are about but not enough to actually spend $3 on.

(cough)

Disgust.

This is the end of quality BSG, the shark has jumped. This gal says it all. I was worried before, now I'm let down. Caprica: The Rip-Off!

Thanks, Mr. Moore. Bloody Lupins!

That's an excellent idea! It limits the creative drain on the main show and it gives the team a chance to fill in backstory. There's something really satisfying about a well-written limited series that has a definite start and end. I'd watch that.

I'd have to disagree. While I agree with her first point, that the show seemed to be floundering in the middle of Season 2.5, I don't think she's on the mark with her other three parts. Especially her comment about Taken, which seems to be a case of apples and oranges in extremus.

While I do think this would work best as a mini-series just from the sound of the concept, I would stress patience until we have some actual details. I'd hate to see a repeat of the mess that preceded the BSG mini that everyone eventually fell in love with.

Ugh. Haven't we all learned about prequels already?

Fans pick apart their favorite shows for scraps of info about the backstory. They then compose the backstory in their heads, if not write out fanfiction about it. The "official" prequel then has to compete with the disparate imaginations of millions of fans, and they almost never manage to meet those expectation. George Lucas and Rick Berman have had to learn these lessons the hard way, and now JJ Abrams and Ron Moore will, too.

I just don't see the need for this right now. It's been two seasons. Why do we need a prequel already? Why dilute the creative staff and the fan attention to the current show? Why compete with the imagination of the fans about where the Cylons come from? Why limit the territory the current show is allowed to cover by making stories for this new show?

I guess that's the bottom line here: Why? Or, better question: Why now?

This is like the week for news that makes me say "why?" JJ Abrams telling stories about Kirk and Spock. Nintendo Wii. And now Caprica.

I suspect that the backstory "bible" for BSG is the starting point for "Caprica," so that the continuity issue that often exists between prequels/sequels may be less of a problem that is often the case.
For comparison, look at SG-! and SG:Atlantis, which are supposed to be in the same time frame. There's very little overlap and I haven't really noticed any contradiction between the two.
As a viewer, there has been a lot in the background of BSG as re-imagined by RGM and associated that I've wanted to know....more or less to understand how things got to the point they did to set off the "current" conflict.
But the bottom line is how this gets executed and how well. And that, of course, will make a big difference. Guess we'll have to wait and see how this gets populated both in fornt of and behind the camera.

Me personally, I'd like something that's 20-some episodes and out, running the same night as BSG. Have a specific arc and make the endpoint the moment the Cylons become self-aware.

If they can pull a cast together the caliber of BSG, this will work. Otherwise it's Conquest of the Planet of the Apes time.

I'll add my vote to the miniseries idea. Even better ... a series of TV Movies - shown when they are ripe and complete - that each stand alone and hold up well as individual stories. They can show them whenever they want (a la the fabulous B5 movies.) Yep. I've talked myself into it. The B5 setup is the way to go with this; because the more I read about it, the more it sounds like CaPernica.

This seems ill-advised at best, and a massive train-wreck at worst.

The problem will be, that if this show self-destructs and wrecks the mythos I doubt I'll be able to watch Battlestar Galactica anymore.

Hell, if they were this desperate for a spin-off why not make a Battlestar Pegasus? Just have the Pegasus get lost in space or something, seperated from the fleet.

I'm confused by the timeline of the series. It is supposed to be set 50 years in the past, but before the rebellion of the Cylons and the First Cylon War. Now, we know when that war ended -- 40 years ago. But when did it begin? According to the Battlestar Wiki, the war started 52 years ago. I know that what the Battlestar Wiki says isn't necessarily canon, but do we have any info from the series itself as to when the war started?


Fixed link.

The article could just have been using "50 years" as a rough estimate. Maybe it takes place 55 years or 54 years in the past.

My take on Caprica: Cautious but pessimistic. This has the potential to be a very, very bad idea. I can't believe they're even attempting it.

I guess this has the potential to be good, and I'm not opposed to the idea of Caprica, but I'll echo Cleo256's sentiments and ask....why? Who was clamoring for a BSG spin-off/prequel? As much as I sorta like BSG, I don't especially feel the need for, y'know, *more*.

I'm imagining it could be something like the original V miniseries, which is not entirely a bad thing, but just...why? This news feels so odd to me.

Tulse and roosterboy, the press release says that it will be set more than 50 years in the past so that timeline can still be correct. I guess they are a bit vague about the precise dates because they probably want to end this at the start of the first Cylon war and of course they don't know yet how many seasons they will get.

Eonline article .

Put me in the con column. It's too early to make a spin off and the failure of several season 2 episodes is still to fresh in my memory to fully welcome a prequel story.
Sure I want to believe that unlike last season the BSG crew will not be rackling their brains for storylines, it's been to the tranchees of passing from a 13 episodes order to a 20 episodes one. I want to believe they know where they failed and how not to repeat their mistakes *but* a new show means a lot of involvement and dedication by the show runners and Moore and Eick will stretch themselves thin, therefore BSG is likely to suffer once again, and that bugs me.
If Caprica had been announced after an entirely successful season 3 of BSG, I think I wouldn't have minded as much as I do now.

I really like BSG and if it means Moore and Eick might get creatively exhausted from running TWO shows, I say "no please".

The only good suggestion that can make this all work is that Ron Moore is smart enough to know he can't be everywhere at once so he has to find suitable BSG-dedicated maniacs and let them give a try at it. I'm sure there's tons of fans/producers out there willing to make it work.

This way, if it fails, Moore won't be as devastated from being the guy to blame which the negativity might get carried over to BSG. I've read the articles on Caprica but it doesn't specifically say if Moore will be deeply involved so there's a chance my idea might work.

I agree that the only way this will work is if they get a whole new staff with only minimal interaction from the BSG staff who have better things to do. I mean, do you really need to have a heavy connection? Just have Moore and Eick create a quick show bible and dos and don'ts and let the two series just operate on their own.

Add me to the "it's too soon" column. Maybe in a couple of years, or when BSG starts winding down... But now?

Remind me to check these boards before I get excited about a new project next time... now y'all got me scared out of my wits. I think, in broad terms, that it is a good idea... I'm not worried at all about them finding stories for the new show, and it will be gret to really get to know the twelve colonies... but there is the HUGE danger of brain drain... I hate to do it ot the guy, but I have to root wholeheartedly against Michael Rymer's ABC pilot...

If RDM and DE write the bible, hire a room full of talented writers, break the season with them, and then get the hell back to the BSG offices and stay there, the worst Caprica can be is that sour aftertaste to something wonderful (Voyager to BSG's DS9)... And if they manage to pull it off and create something even 80% as good as BSG, it'll be the second best show on TV...

Of course I'm one of those kids who liked Angel better than Buffy...

I'm actually in favour of the new series -- partially because I think there are more stories available about a society that is about to enter into a war, and come out alive, than with a ragtag group of survivors, who must always be on the run lest the series end.

And, if the show is successful, it lets Moore and company actually end BSG. (Sorry for any of the actors on the show :).)

I realize that's a big "if" there. Most spin-offs don't do very well.

I like the idea of the series and think it has the potential to appeal to those who enjoy the more shipper elements of BSG. Sounds like fun.

I personally think this will work because unlike Star Trek/Wars the "back story" of BSG is not really clearly defined. What we know about the 50 years previous to the Cylon destruction of humanity can pretty much be defined in a few sentances.

BTW - "fabulous B5 movies"? Did you watch "Thirdspace" and the one with Martin Sheen in it? They were f***ing terrible. The only truely "decent" one was "In the beginning".

That's true, but I'd argue that we don't need to know any more about BSG's backstory. Everything that is important for us to know in order to understand the current series, we already know.

We know that Cylons were created by humans. We know they were treated like slaves. We know they revolted. We know humanity was nearly wiped out and formed the united government of the Twelve Colonies in response. We know the Cylons suddenly ceased their attacks and vanished for 40 years.

What else do we need to know about the background of BSG? Are the details of the above really that important? Is it important to know exactly how the Cylons were mistreated? I don't think it is. Is it important to show the massacre of thousands (or even tens of thousands) of colonials? Nah, I don't think so. I don't even think showing the creation of the first Cylon really adds anything to our understanding of the story.

To me this just seems like an exercise in cashing in without adding anything of value to the franchise. A mini-series or a movie, I could see, but not a full-blown series.

Aw, Hells no!

Doctor Who is doing too many spinoffs, and now the same is happening with BSG? After only two seasons?

This doesn't bode well...

Okay, yeah. My nightmare is that the whole idea is to cut the number of BSG episodes in a season - and add "Caprica" between BSG 3 and (a reduced) BSG 4. *shudder*

If Magazine interview with David Eick

Eick talks about Caprica and also BSG season 3 (so spoiler warning).

The script hasn't been written yet and production would presumably happen in August.

I'm against this so very much. The only way it would work is if it is very much its own show as other have said. Too soon for a spin-off. But I will be watching when it shows up though. If it is bad I want it to be good bad you know. Not, this is shit bad.