So, Tia's all grown up, huh? For whatever reason, I thought that Kelly Rowland was going to be in a Girlfriends spin-off then they switched it up and made Tia Joan's cousin. Okay.

The show was meh. I like Coby Bell (have since Third Watch) and was surprised to see him on this show. Isn't he dating Telma's character on Half & Half? Anyway, his penny-pinching ways will become tired (if they aren't already). I could do without Wendy Raquel Robinson. Coby's wife was meh. Tia's boyfriend reminds me of Lance from The Best Man with his prayers. Coby's wife is meh. (Oh, wait, I said that). Tia's character has the potential to become annoying. I don't want her to start whining that she gave up John's Hopkins for her boyfriend then start getting upset with him because of it.

Yeah he is, though they haven't mentioned anything about that relationship in a minute. Assuming this gets picked up, I guess that doesn't bode well for his longevity on Half & Half.

But anyway, aside from the show airing in the GF slot, it wasn't that bad. I've seen much worse.

Twin would have been a good Lil Dee Dee from Half N Half.

I guess I'm the only one who found this crap offensive. UPN proving once again why their comedies don't have higher ratings. The horrible stereotypes depicted and Wendy Robinson trying to sound ghetto was just too much for me to sit through.

I agree...and they better never do that bait and switch (show the "Girlfriends" credits over it...just for it to be this crap) again!

It'll most likely be canned before summer.

The only good "black" comedies out there today is Everybody Hates Chris and The Bernie Mac Show. And it's not because the characters are stereotypes, but because the situations are relatable to everyone.

Crap like "Cuts" and "Eve" and especially "The Parkers" is why UPN is the laughingstock of the networks.

I thought they were the new girlfriends. It's awful. The dialogue was forced half the time and ultimately I just really didn't care about any of the situations or characters. It might serve them better to situate it more around actual games or something. Really though, I could do without this show. I can't believe they even bothered airing it. I'd rather see poodle swim races than this show. There just seemed to be a lot of seriously dead time. Then when they piped in the canned laughter it was at things that weren't funny in the least.

The only time I chuckled was at the "I guess they're really not scared of us any more" line, and that was probably because they stole it from Chappelle.

Pilots (especially sitcom pilots) are notoriously bad. The actors and writers don't have a feel for their characters yet because it's a singke episode written in a vacuum before relationships are established.

That said, I didn't think this one was that bad. I actually laughed real laughter a couple of times. What was it that people found so offensive?

This show has been officially picked up by the CW.

Looks like Tia Mowry is the Tracee Ellis Ross of this show. Let's see if she can carry this.

Let's also see if we can have at least one episode where there is no racial joke involving the white character.

Wouldn't it be so cool if this show started off like Girlfriends did in S1 and S2? You know, with good stories, funny writing, sympathetic characters, etc. Like I mentioned in another thread, maybe some of the H&H writers can move over.

I already liked the Mowerys, and will have to check this show out.

I know Aldis Hodge (Derwin, the Tia character's boyfriend), and he's excited by the pick-up but enjoying the calm before the storm, if you will. Will pass along any insider info as I come across it...

Add me to the list of people who will be watching this because of Tia Mowery, I used to love Sister Sister.

As long as they leave their patented Mona rimshot one-liners behind.


This made me laugh and laugh. She talks like that on purpose? Seriously? I thought for sure that was her pre-diction voice.

Well, Aldis joined me for my screening of the new Pirates flick tonight, and he gave me a bit of news just he got last week, which hasn't been formally announced: his role is being recast, as is another on the show. What made this kind of sting was that there's already been some promo in place with him on it with Tia and such. Feel bad for him, but he has a great, upbeat attitude about the whole situation and has moved on. But that they're recasting two roles, one of which is the male lead, can't be good--and at the 11th hour it seems. They cancelled Half & Half for this?

Well, who knows what retooling they would've done to Half & Half. As I said once before, it's probably a blessing in disguise that H&H didn't get renewed. At least I can remember the show in a good way.

Do they even show any of the actors from this show in the new CW promos?

I see the cast members from "Chris", "All of Us", and "Girlfriends", but (unless it's just because I don't recognize anyone) I don't see anyone from "The Game". I think I would recognize Tia Mowry and Wendy Raquel Robinson. In any event, I don't see this show lasting too long; they say nothing about it.

I'll check out a couple of episodes, but my early guess is that it's gone after 6 weeks (replaced with a repeat of "Girlfriends", no doubt), or it stays out the season in the relative anonymity of Sunday night CW (since they probably make no money anyway). Shades of Holly Robinson-Peete's misfortunes with "Love Inc".

So they got that guy from the Lugz commercials. There were some funny moments (the yo momma exchanges), but this show is just - it's just really not worth anything.

It amuses me that Tia Mowry and Brittany Daniel's are both twins, I hope they find some way to incorporate their siblings into the show. As for the show; the men are hot.

Brittany...Was she Elizabeth or Jessica Wakefield? It's sad, but I still think of them as the Sweet Valley Twins. Can't help it.

Not great, but not bad. I laughed a few times. It has potential.

She played Jessica. And if it makes you feel any better, ever since I saw her in last night's premiere I've had the Sweet Valley theme stuck in my head. It's currently at war with House of Pain's "Jump Around." Damn Catalina.

I didn't like the show at all...I'm not getting why Wendy Raquel Robinson's character would be hanging out with the girlfriends/wives when she's a MOTHER of one of the players...

I love Tia/Tamara but the whole premise of this show isn't really appealing to me...

Because she's closer to the wives age than the other mothers and I think she might also be in that charity the women are always talking about.

I liked the show. Its a UPN show. I don't have high expectations for the writing or the acting or the set up. I do like Wendy, I think she's funny. Tia is great and the white wife Brittany(?), I like her as well. Overall, its cool.

But I did like Half and Half. Can't nobody replace my Telma! I felt like All of Us should have been cancelled and Half and Half should have made the change over. But I guess with Will and Jadass behind it, the networks gave into pressure.

That's pretty much my assessment. I think it improved a bit from the intro episode last season and I like the character changes.

Word, word, a million times word! I watched EHC even though I'm peeved at Chris Rock's role in saving that annoying AoU show. I don't know how long I'll watch that one.

I thought that as well. I actually thought it was better than both of the premieres of Girlfriends and All of Us (why is AoU still on the air and H&H not? So not fair.)


That's how I always think of her as well. And now I've got the SV theme song in my head as well! I also hope they find a way to work Cynthia and Tamera in for an episode, that'd be kind of cute.

Wowwwwwwwwww[/channeling Flavor Flav] I thought I would be the only person who remembered the Wakefields and SVH. Since we don't know much about the characters right now, it could be possible that both "Melanie" and "Britany" are twins. I could definately see the CW throwing in some zany mistaken identity plot with one or both actresses and their twins for ratings.

When I saw Brittany last night, it made me think of her character "Eve" on Dawson's Creek. And whenever I think of that character, I go back to SVH. It's a round-about way. I remember when I was reading the books and the show premiered. They stopped drawing the twins and had the Daniels girls pose for the covers instead.

Anyhoo, any show with Wendy is a friend of mine. And it didn't seem too bad.

Still not bad. I'm pleasantly surprised.

I like the show because I love Tia Mowry. I think she's just adorable and she reminds me of my neice. I also like Wendy Raquel's character and the blonde lead.

The ladies' room scene was pretty funny. Corazon was about to cut a b****.

It seems this show is starting to come into it's own. I actually enjoyed this episode a lot, except for the sprinkling of excess cheese at the end.

So I missed the last episode (How Tasha Got Her Groove Back) both times it aired - the first time for 'Heroes' and last night's repeat because I completely forgot.

Anyone care to give a quick recap? I'd really appreciate it.

I didn't see it from the beginning but here's the jist:

One of the coaches (played by Rocky Carroll from Roc) was upset with the hotdogging play of Malik (that's Tasha's son's name, right?) and possibly threatened to bench him. (I'm fuzzy on what he was going to do; it was something that really ticked Malik off.) Tasha told Malik she'd meet with the coach and handle it. IIRC, the coach just wanted to ask her out; she refused because she wanted to talk business; they decided to meet at a movie together and talk business there. They discuss Malik's style of play and how he should be more careful to have career longevity; later, they wind up in bed together. They start seeing each other without telling Malik; Tasha tells Malik that he should listen to the coach because he's coached some other QB's who had long successful careers. After the next game (I think), Rookie makes a comment about Tasha and the coach dating. Malik gets pissed at Tasha, thinking that she was just on the coache's side and not really looking out for his best interests. He tells her that she can either be his mom and date the coach or be his manager and dump the coach. She decides to be the manager; when she goes to tell the coach that it's over, they both admit that it wasn't just a sex thing, that they both really have feelings for each other.

I was kind of upset because from the commercials, it looked like the coach may have been Jeffrey D. Samms, but it wasn't. That's a fiiiiiine man, and I miss seeing him around.

Anyway, I'm still liking the show. It was interesting that there was no sort of resolution to the money issue.

Thanks, ajra!

You're talking about the birthday party? I thought the resolution (of sorts) was that he wouldn't be all "Daddy saves the day" - even though he'd still have his same stance about how they spend. Heck, I'm on his side. $500 was plenty for a party (too much, if you ask me).

I'm talking about the larger issue at hand: that the guy didn't include his wife in spending decisions. Even though the Disney thing was a great idea, in the end, it was still his idea alone, with no input from the wife.

The vibe I got from the end of the episode was that the husband finally realized how controlling he could be with regard to the finances. Even when he told his wife to announce whatever it was he managed to finagle as her idea, she still said it was his. The look on the husband's face said it all.

Well, as long as he feels that they don't need to lead an extravagant lifestyle and she feels they must keep up with the Joneses, there's not going to be a resolution. I don't see him caving on that (and he shouldn't) any time soon. Meanwhile, she'd have no problem with BritBrat being on My Super Sweet Sixteen. As long as he changes his 'no... no... no... OK, now Daddy has a great idea' ways, he's fine with me. BUT - Mommy has to be open to it. IMO, if he had included her in the Disney idea from the beginning, she still would have been against it. That idea was free (for them - because of his endorsement deal); she was all about topping the PussyCat Dolls and spending more money than the other girl's parents.

Also, remember - she told the story about how she wasn't about the money in the beginning, so what has changed? That stuff she said to Melanie about starting the relationship the way she wanted it to be later (or something to that effect). If she only wanted to be with him for him in the beginning and didn't care about the money, why does she have to be Mrs. Bling Bling now?

I like this show, I think it's funny, but what I like most of all are the locker room scenes. You just can't go wrong with a shirtless Pooch Hall and I am very willing to watch them TRY to mess that up.

But she didn't want the money for herself, she wanted it for their daughter. My take from the episode wasn't that Kelly wanted more money, she just wanted to have a say in the way the money was being spent with regards to their child. I think if he had negotiated the cost or even told Kelly about the Cinderella idea before telling Brittany it would have been a different scenario.

This last ep was probably my least favorite of the run. Not awful, just buggy.

I thought it was really lame that Melanie convinced Derwin to stop taking advantage of the situation with that weak line about God not liking it. If you're going to use religion, punch it up! I just thought her speech was trite and poorly written.

She was, however, showing her inner-Joan with the dinner party obsession. Even had a little of the crazy eyes.

My major complaint: Quarterback had already been to Rookie's apartment (repeatedly and for days on end), yet expressed shock at it's small size. That's why you don't air episodes out of order (I hope that's the reason).

I hated how Quarterback reacted to Derwin and Mel's apartment, as well, because just last week, he was playing video games there 24/7. I don't think the CW execs are that stupid or The Game writers that forgetful, so I'm assuming the episodes are somewhat out of order.

I was just going to come ask if the episodes were shown out of order because of this. I can't see them making that big of an error when writing the episodes.

Yep the episode was aired out of order. Last week's episode was suppose to air a few weeks later.

He did tell her about the Cinderella part before Brit. (The Disney idea, no, the parade stuff with Cinderella, yes) And she didn't want the money for Brit; she wanted to throw a fancier, more, bigger, better party than the other kid. Just like that whole team gift thing that they got into a couple of weeks ago; she wanted to give away something expensive like Malik was doing. I could agree that she wanted the money for Brit if she was saying 'party' and he was saying 'no party' - but he was saying 'reasonably priced party' and she was saying 'we have to outdo that party'. Big difference.

I already agreed that she wanted more say in how money was spent. My 'bling bling' issue with her is how much she wants to spend and why.

Yea, but it was still his decision. She had no say whatsoever in it. So, he's still a dictator.

Well, sure. But, it doesn't seem like it's new behavior. I'd guess that seven or eight years ago, Jason started like he plans to finish.

I'm guessing Kelly's attitude about expensive parties and gifts is a result of living around, and socializing with all the other money spending millionaires. If Jason were a firefighter or school teacher, and they lived in a nice middle income neighborhood where birthday parties cost less than $500, she'd probably be okay with knock off designer bags, giving inexpensive gifts to co-workers, and going to Disneyland with free tickets.

It seems like y'all are debating completely different points from the opposing arguments.

Basically, she's wrong for wanting to spend outrageous amounts of money, but he's wrong for completely controlling every aspect of their finances.

It only seems like she wants to splurge when she thinks other people will be judging their spending practices, she doesn't seem like she a flamboyant spender in general.

Which is what I was saying in the first place. Maybe it wasn't clear.


Which I addressed when I said "As long as he changes his 'no... no... no... OK, now Daddy has a great idea' ways, he's fine with me." It was wrong for him to let Mommy have the sucky party idea then swoop in with the 'let's take your real friends to Disneyland' thing. (Which seems to be his M.O.) But - Mom still could have met him halfway with the Cinderella part, but she chose not to.


And this is the question I asked... he had money when they got together - probably not as much as he has now, but enough for her to make the point that she wasn't with him for his money like the other girls around him were - so what made her change?

Time. Also, she said she was a Sabergirl when they met. So she had some income of her own them. Now she's totally dependent on his income for her "allowance" and his utter cheapness is more irritating seven or eight years in than it was at the beginning of their relationship.