Also I want to point out some questionable things Brooke did this episode.

1. Brooke laying around with Leslie during the first five minutes of the show, "she's just pissing me off, not so much Jade, but Nnenna.." She talks about how she heard laughter during her commercial review at panel and it shows Nnenna and Joanie laughing at her.

Then Brooke says that Nnenna has called her a crybaby. Really? They show a clip of Nnenna saying that, "Brooke cries a lot." Which is different than saying she is a crybaby.

Brooke then goes on to say that, "Nnenna doesn't like me. That's fine because I don't like her either."

Well, Miss Brooke I have yet to hear Nnenna say anything about not liking you and yet all kinds of ugly comes out of your mouth about Nnenna. Like how you talked about Nnenna behind her back with Leslie.

2. During Miss Jay's runway tutorial Nnenna laughs at both Brooke and Furonda and yet Brooke has this to say, "Nnenna's laughter bothers me because I try to respect her as much as possible..."

Really? Like how you were respecting her by talking behind her back with Leslie?

3. After the twirl lesson Danielle is bitching about Nnenna being on the phone all the time with Brooke. Then Brooke proceeds to barge in on Nnenna while she's on the phone and say," How can you not understand the concept of the phone?"

Bitch. How can you not understand the concept of being a rude bitch by interrupting someone's phone call with your snotty bitch ass attitude?

Nnenna explains that no one was using the phone at the time.

Brooke then goes on the attack with her, "It's not very difficult. And you're a chemist? You can understand all that but you cannot understand the concept of the phone?".

If no one can see how rude and bitchface this is I just give up hope. Brooke attacks her while shes on the phone and then throws Nnenna's education in her face. Someone sounds bitter and resentful to me. And remember so far what has Nnenna said about Brooke? "She cries a lot."

Cut to Nnenna in the confessional saying, "I am not at all moved by Brooke."

Back to Brooke with her, "Also another thing that has bothered me.." And Nnenna gets on the phone, dials, and proceeds to ignore her.

Can you blame Nnenna for doing that after the bitch stunt Brooke pulled? Brooke went in there to attack and tear Nnenna down not to discuss anything.

Cut to Brooke's voiceover, "She is a bitch." Brooke comes storming out of the room and someone says, "What happened?" Brooke says, "Everyone thinks she's sweet. Everyone thinks she's nice and she's not."

Talking about Nnenna behind her back again.

Jade goes to inform Nnenna that Brooke is mad at her and Nnenna replies, "Does it look like I care? I don't care." At this point I wouldn't care either after that crap Brooke pulled. But of course sense Nnenna is cast as the cold BB being mean to poor defenseless Brooke and people eat it up.

4. The bombshell moment. Brooke goes back to Leslie to bitch about Nnenna behind her back with,"The fact that she is back there whispering and laughing about me. What makes her so better than me? the fact that she's from Africa?"

Meanwhile, Nnenna is relating to Jade how Brooke approached her.

Brooke drops her, "Go back to Africa if it's so damned great." Way to go there Brooke, you're a class act.

Nnenna starts to act like Brooke with some old fashioned Brooke style talking behind someone's back with, "She's an emotional wreck. She cries every day."

After all that you deserved it, Brookie, who then runs by Jade and Nnenna with a, " I don't cry!" followed by a "You are a fucking bitch, Nnenna."

How anyone can cast Nnenna as the bitch after that childish, rude, and bitchy outburst instigated by Brooke is beyond me. Sorry ANTM but your assassination editing tricks to bring down Nnenna don't work because Nnnenna gave you no amunition.

5. After the competition, which Jade deserved to win because she actually swirled and twirled like they just learned to do, Joanie says," I don't want Jade to win." Me either Joanie, but then you should have twirled and swirled like she did.

Brooke says, " I don't think Jade could win the competition and honestly even though Nnenna's won a lot of mini challenges I don't think she's going to win the competition either."

Wow, Brooke you sure do spend a lot of time talking about and shitting on Nnenna when she's not doing the same to you unless you are in her face. Brooke = Bitter Resentful Hag.

Brooke in the confessional, "I'm here to do well not get involved in these little things. I don't like Nnenna and just because I handle my stress in different ways doesn't make me a crybaby."

Then stop talking about people behind their backs, Brooke! And newsflash, if you handle your stress by crying all the time then yes that makes you a crybaby, eventhough thats not what Nnenna called you.

Cut to Brooke doing what? Crying! This time to her daddy because she's upset she called a girl a name. So upset that she couldn't be bothered to apologize to the girl and so instead cries about how sorry she is to everyone else.

And yet somehow Nnenna is the bitch? This must be the twilight zone.

I don't see what she is supposed to do about this. Bitch at the panel and get kicked off the show?

Which makes her a genius, not a hypocrite in my book. I put the blame on the show.

This is something that just bugs. I don't know why certain groups of black folk are so all fired hot to get rid of their descendents. I've had Chinese students who express pride in Michelle Kwan (who often doesn't even seem to reciprocate); you would never hear anyone in Little Korea going "I'm not Korean" -- my best friend in high school had parents who instilled in her a Haitian pride and knowledge of language, culture, and current politics decades before she even set foot in the country. Me, I called myself "Jamaican-American" once and had my face actually laughed in -- never mind that I had Jamaican parents, learned Jamaican nursery songs, cooked Jamaican food, went to school and church that were predominantly Jamaican/Caribbean, and spent most of my childhood life being confused as to what the other black children up the block were talking about when they spoke, not being up on the lingo just for starters, having no clue how to engage in the "dozens"...

If you are brought up in Africa for your formative years, it makes a difference to who you are -- it makes a difference in terms of culture. This isn't saying that one or the other culture is terrible or great or better or worse -- it's just not yours. I doubt very seriously that "African American" is Nnenna's culture. (Aren't her parents even Nigerian-born!?) She is not of "African descent" -- I am of African descent, via slave boats and generations. She is the African child of African parents born on foreign soil.

Er... um. No, that's not a touchy subject for me at all, why do you ask? :-)

*deep breaths*

Oh, and if Nik can't be a supermodel because of bouncy boobieness, they need to call Brooke on this. Sister-woman is stacked.

Jeeze. Only in the modeling world would this be a BAD thing...



ETA DarkCorner, you ROCK.

Nnenna is Ibo, its obvious to a Nigerian from her name. She speaks the Igbo language not Yoruba

Joanie is the best. I also love Danielle, so you can imagine my joy when the two of them were goofing off, dancing, and "rapping" together. I love these two gals because they're beautiful but not afraid to be total dorks. (This is also why I think they consistently take the best pictures of the group, because, as Tyra would say, they're not afraid to be "ugly" sometimes.)

Jade actually didn't annoy the living shit out of me during this episode. What a surprise! I must admit her church fashion show walk was quite dramatic--but then, her outfit was the most dramatic of all the girls'.

Joanie looked like the hottest.nun.EVER during that show. Damn, girl!

And I must say this...I hate Nnenna. She's boring. She's arrogant. She's inconsiderate. She seems like the popular girl in high school who thinks she's hot shit and so superior to everyone else and just can't repress her amusement and contempt for the "lesser" people. True, she's not a raving delusional bitch like Jade--but I would actually prefer Jade to Nnenna. At least with Jade, you KNOW she's a bitch, and that she doesn't like you, and that she's batshit crazy and delusional. Nnenna's sneakier, more subtle than that. Those are the ones you have to watch out for.

Sara's mouth continues to hypnotize me.

What was up with the girls fucking up their "pedestal" turns so badly? Those turns are easy to do if you have any sort of posture and balance. Granted, Joanie's and Jade's shoes were not the best for such turning (the cork does not lend itself well to gliding smoothly over any surface), but the other girls should have performed better. You'd think if they had all these dreams of being models (except Sara, of course), they would have worked to gain good posture, at least a little bit.

I'm still trying to figure out when & where Nnenne throws up her african heritage as if it makes her special. When & where?

Brooke is jealous because Nnenne has a "hook" with an unmixed look (that's kind of what seperates her "african" look from the rest of the african american women) that the judges have seen as a plus and accentuated. Its not Nnenne selecting the african plains backdrops for her shoots are calling herself an "African princess". Nnenne does hold her head up proudly and she does carry herself with certain type of pride - should she not? Meanwhile Brooke is insecure and awkward and she attacked Nnenne for not being the same.

See Brooke is all how dare Nnenne be confident, self assured, even think she's special, or even possibly superior...she's African! What makes that so special? If being African is so great, go back there then. And then maybe I can win this competition in which I'm performing so poorly because the African girl who hasn't lived in Africa is years with her arrogant self is gone. Lashing out at difference because that different person is or has the potential to surpass you is what racism is all about, imo.

Not sure how Tyra saying that Brooke looked "ethnic" is racist either. Considering how the term is used here in the US, the fact that they emphasized her darker complexion and kinked up her hair, I thought the description was accurate. Irish, Italian, British, French are ethnicities too but typically "ethnic" is used in these forums, in the media, etc (imo) to describe person who don't fit the definition of "white". Ie you don't usually hear blonde haired blue eyed models from Sweden or Norway described as "ethnic" looking. I don't think most would say that Joanie, or Adrianne, or Nicole look "ethnic" nor would that descriptor be used in their books, and I doubt an American agency would send those girls when a receiving a request for an "ethnic model".

Don't know how I feel about Jay's comments during the dancing...but it certainly wasn't the models brought it up. Many if not most the dances in pop culture have been & are derived from the african american community, maybe the expectation is that AA's will be more proficient at them. But why go there, Jay? Frankly I feel it was unfair pressure.

Loved Joanie's Harlem shake, she didn't just pick that up the other day. Thought it was too cute and I dig her personality. Her picture was great because she's totally doesn't have a stick up her behind. Thought Nnenne picture was really good too, that bright smile up against that chocolate skin was fantastic. She's working with her strengths - perhaps Brooke needs to learn to do the same. Furonda is really stepping up. She looked good in her photo too. I could see those photos in Vibe, possibly a hip hop focused Essense for the month.

Tyra always throws in a little culture shout out. Loved the church fashion show angle and the Krumpin' clowns (she's late but better late than never). Krumpin' is hard, all about the off beat and freezes. The street dancers have totally upped the ante, don't know if the mainstream can keep up (though Chris Brown is on it). Sort of cruel to throw those girls in there though, its not like she was asking them to do the wop or Pee Wee Herman.

Im a little confused as to peoples opinions on Nnennas origins. Is there a reason why she cant be both an African and American? Because she is. Why should she shy away from being labelled "African Princess"? She is an African, her parents were African, she speaks the language, she lived there, her family is from there, and IS there, the culture is her culture. She has a Nigerian accent because she spent most of her early years there. Yet she is also an American, she was born here, she has lived here, her birth certificate and passport show she is an American.

It seems to me that Nnenna is proud of who she is, as an African, and as an American, and if she goes on and on about how beautiful Africa is then more power to her, to assume she says it out of superiority rather than pride is simply that, an assumption, because there have been zero clips that show her even talking about Nigeria. Plus, im willing to bet that 99% of the time that she does talk about it, its because someone asks her "So whats it like in Africa?"

People seem to prefer Jade over Nnenna because Jade is more than willing to make a fool of herself on television - which of course is very entertaining for us. I don't believe it is Nnenna's character nor part of her culture to become emotional and make herself vunerable to anybody. Nnenna possesses was is often referred to as SELF RESPECT. As Americas we all have this obsession with voyeristic and exhibitionist displays of emotion, rewarding those who expose their innermost dreams and fears. Honestly, I think everybody would be just thrilled if Nnenna started talking in tongues and ripped somebody's throat out.

Only then would certain viewers be satisfied because then she would be the "Angry Black Woman" or "Black Bitch" that is so often sought out on this show.

I don't want to take sides on the Nnenna/Brooke thing. I don't care for either of them. I don't think Brooke was being racist. I think it was more of a "if your home country is so great, then go back there." Brooke's display of her insecurities aren't the type to get me to rally for her growth. They're the type to just make me want to tell her to take a look at where she's at and deal. She's in the final 8. Go for it and quit whining. I did think her "you can understand chemistry but you can't understand that people want to use the phone?"

Nnenna is an inconsiderate phone hog with a repug boyfriend and a superiority complex. That's why she has such a KFed man...so she can feel superior to him. Her behavior to Brooke, openly laughing at her and giving her the "you don't matter" blow off is not much different than Jade honing in on Gina. Superiority complex.

Loving Joanie and Danielle!

I can see this -- but she doesn't complain about much of anything, does she? She just says "I don't care" (which might seem rude, but I've had this discussion with enough ESL students -- sometimes what they're trying to say is "This isn't important" or "let's not get worked up" without really feeling/processing that "I don't care" is kind of harsh).

So why isn't long hair yesterday's news, since everyone has it? And always has?

I agree with you Anthrophile. What IS Nnenna supposed to do when people call her "African queen" etc.? She has no options there. When Yaya got mad about that hat they went all ballistic on her ass. Not that she has to care anymore, she gets to hang with Antonio and all.

I'm sick of Jay et. al. telling the girls how their ethnicity is supposed to affect their performance, e.g. "Nnenna, I want to see Africa in your dance" or "Furonda, your sisters will hate you if you don't represent." Shut up, Jay, let people be individuals. We don't ask you to represent your orange brothers and sisters in whatever you do. It was so stupid. After he lectured Danielle, Furonda, and Nnenna on what their ancestry was supposed to contribute to the shoot, I was downright shocked when he didn't tell Leslie he wanted some hot Latina sauciness from her or something equally dumb. If they don't want us to think their show has anything to say about race relations then stop bringing race up every five minutes. Trust me, I don't watch to get upset or nitpick, it's a guilty escapist pleasure and I don't like being forced back into evil reality by the proliferation of dumb stereotypes.

Same here. I've already voiced my opinion on Nnenna, and I don't like Brooke, either. Jade is, however, growing on me, much like a fungus.


I honestly don't give a shit what Nnenna does. I don't like her, period. It has nothing to do with her being black or angry or whatever. She's not the sort of person I would want to hang out with, so I can understand where the girls are coming from when they express frustration with her personality. I would personally much rather party with Joanie and Danielle than try to have a conversation with Nnenna.


Hee!


Totally. When she had finished thoroughly humiliating herself by "krunking" and sashayed-chantayed back to the table, I thought, Damn, Tyra's ass has gotten huge. It's because, in the immortal words of the Great Janice Dickinson, "she eats those...ribs."

Ok here's my thoughts-

Brooke- her dance looked like something that little old guy in the Six Flags commercial would do. Don't think she's pretty at all. She looks like those people that movie directors cast as zombies or crack addicts.

Sara- Ok, so you didn't go to audition and they found you in a mall. Get over it. If anything that'd make me more self righteous like "yeah, bitch, they wanted me."

Jade- I guess Jade doesn't care what America thinks of her because she just keeps going like the Energizer Bunny. Note to Jade: apocalyptic sounding confessionals (do you know who Jade is? Do you really know?) are about as profound as the Paris Hilton flat-affect (I'm so cyuht). Not to self: You felt this exact same way about Eva and now you love her.

Miss Jay- Ok, I know you are making money. You could have on something a little nicer than that hot mess you had on. I know you wanted to keep it neutral to focus on the accessories but here's some fashion math:

fugly outfit+fugly hair= -fashion authority (at least in my book)

I don't really have that much commentary on anybody else except NICOLE:

Ok, could she sound anymore scripted? If I only had Nicole to go on, I wouldn't want to have a life as a Cover Girl. Yick.

Totally agree with you here. The Nigerians I have known in my life tend to maintain a more level, almost detached, demeanor. No fiery displays of temper, not a lot of talking about personal issues, very serious about school and work. Nnenna fits in with the image I've seen, whether or not it's some type of cultural Nigerian norm, I don't know. But I've been around a lot of non-American people, and there definitely is a difference in how Americans behave versus other cultures. Neither is better than the other, just different, and that can lead to people having negative opinions based on something they don't really understand.

Yeah - I call shenanigans with this. Her outfit was by far the most "twirlable". Not so much compared with Joanie's, but if you look at what leslie was wearing - some sort of denim minidress - it was a stacked deck. not to say that Leslie would have won (she wouldn't have), but maybe a joanie would have if she had the dramatic cape.

Sucks that Jade was propped up because Jade just sucks.

(How much did I love Twiggy though? "I've never heard of klumping!")

Actually an argument can be made for this -- she's got that same crossover appeal Will Smith has. She is hardly 50 Cent! :-)

Yeah, what you said!

I feel I should point out that despite all my defense of Nnenna, I'm not actually rooting for her to win anymore. She has no energy and doesn't seem to be trying. And she does need to get off the damn phone.

I agree but really though, I can't think of one example where Nnenne talks or brags about Nigeria or the continent of Africa ? I don't recall her speaking much abuot her ethnic heritage or background except to say that she would go back to Africa to do work there. And that was an answer to a question. That's not bragging or acting superior to me.

But Brooke's straight out said that Nnenne thinks she's special because she's African and telling Nnenne to go back there indicates that Brooke 1) doesn't think being African is special and 2) that if it is, its not supposed to be special here - hence the "go back there" comment. She just as easily could've been talking about England, Germany, etc and imo, it would have come across as a bit xenophobic with those examples too. Brooke's intimidated by Nnenne's otherness and it bothers her because its being perceived as something "special" by the panel. Brooke has something special too (its why she's there) but because she's timid & insecure she doesn't have the confidence to work her "difference" like Nnenne does. And I think that pisses her off.

The Twins reminded me of Madonna's 'Bedtime Story' video, from their synchronized twirling, swirling, talking, posing, down to their outfits...

The way they were sitting for their interview segments reminded me of, like, an Abba video, too.

Brilliant.

I can't wait to see how pretty Joanie will look once they correct her teeth. She has a really pretty personality, too.

I wonder if Jade refers to herself in the third person when she is working as a hostess: "Jade has a table open in fifteen minutes. Free drinks while you're waiting, if you realize that Jade is the undiscovered supermodel."
The overlay of race (even forgetting Brooke and Nnenna) made me uncomfortable, to say the least. The little orange weirdo laid those stereotypes on with a trowel; the whole show had a vaguely nasty ick factor.
On the other hand, Twiggy asking at judging if what one of the girls (don't remember) was doing was "klunking" was hilarious.

If Nnenna truly had so much self respect, she would not be with that K-Fed clone she calls a boyfriend. And she wouldn't let Jade dictate her conversations to said boyfriend, either.


Oh, my. You know, I hadn't thought that until I read this, but it's so true.

Those Twins need to be on this show more often. They were hilarious.


This mental picture made my day.

This is a brilliant analysis. (I still attribute it more to immaturity than racism, though.) Right on the money. Nnenna is unemotional, and Brooke is constantly decried for being too emotional (not to mention the "don't be afraid to be AS UGLY AS YOU ARE" bit of esteem-boosting she's habitually been given there). She's overtired and resentful and lashing out, has a near-pathological case of stage fright (I'm really surprised she hasn't passed out) and she's probably going to be eliminated at the next pass and knows it. She's also dead wrong to react as she did. But I do see where she's coming from.

I don't know Nnenna or Brooke. But from what I've been seeing on the show, both bore me to death. I don't want either of them to win, and when I see Nnenna come on to the screen in any sort of non-photo moment, I have my TiVo fast forward it. Ditto for Miss Brooke.

I think Sara's face in her photo is great. Her leg is up, showing the shoe, which she pointedly said was her purpose during judging, and the best they can come up with is "she's not owning her height." I'm not her, but that would make me beyond incensed.

Anyone here think Joanie will go through the surgery and then get cut? That would be pretty shocking, and we all see how everything makes such complete sense on this show. Like why Ms. Jay wears such hot tank tops and teases us like that.

See? Let's pretend for a moment that Nnenna was a Parisian girl, with a fab french accent, and everyone was always cooing over her for being so foreign and exotic. She's self-assured, a bit chilly, and doing well in the competition (even though most of her photos are fairly non-impressive) for a large part because the main judge, Tyra, loves that she has a real Parisian model here! So along comes pointy chinned, potato-nosed Brooke, a quivering mass of insecurities, who is from Flyover State, USA, has not taken great photos, can't walk, and has no hope of ever saying a coherent phrase on camera. And Frenchy Nnenna, in her sexy French accent, LAUGHS at Brooke in front of the judging panel. And perhaps - off camera - regals the hamsters with tales of Gay Paree (back off Miss and Mister Jays). So when she can't get on the phone for the 100th time, Brooke snaps and says "If France is so great, go back to France!"

Now, would we be calling her a racist? I live in NYC and hear "we don't care how you do it in New York" every time I leave the city.

Now - that said, I do feel the challenges were more difficult for the white-bread chicks this week. And I have to tell you, I've been to dozens of Fashion Week shows and not once have I seen "swirling" on the runway! Maybe Betsy Johnson or Heatherette, but Oscar de la Renta doesn't want any twirling in the tents!

Whenever anyone says "So-and-so needs to go back where they came from," I think it always reveals that they have a colossal sense of entitlement. It's like saying, "Once you get lost I will finally get what is rightfully mine." I'm not necessarily sure if I'd call Brooke racist or xenophobic, but she sure does seem to have more than a dash of spoiled brat in her... though she does get hotter and hotter every week.

Oh Leslie, you beautiful, photogenic girl with the gorgeous smile, what did they do to you? I knew she was going early on - It's not like she had a lot of airtime or anything, but in this episode they at least showed her blearily staring in the background when the other girls were doing stuff. I don't think she was boring at all (except maybe by reality television standards); she seemed intelligent and funny the two times in this cycle that they let her out of the cage. And she had good confidence, especially considering that she was the youngest one there (by a lot, I think). Maybe they didn't show her confessionals because she was a fast talker. Either that, or she was punished for the Bad Tattoo.

That guest judge sure was bitchy.

Jade's boob looks seriously unhappy in her photograph. She was a great dancer, though - that move with the water bottle was pretty sexy. And here I was expecting another one of her debacles! But: gen-dre? I think that settles last week's fa-sozz argument.

I don't really like Joanie at all.

How about Sara's tight white gown with a train!!

Come on, now!



Oh, I so agree with this.

Maybe not obvious because like I said, I'm Nigerian but also because I know a girl called Nnenna that is Yoruba. And people make assumptions about where I'm from because of my name so I don't do it. Nothing is "obvious" we are talking about reality television.

During the Nnenna phone hogging sequence, they cut to Danielle who says something to the effect of, ""The sun comes up, the sun goes down, you see the Eiffel Tower and still, Nnenna's on the phone!"

I think the Eiffel Tower mention was just so random that it was hilarious.

She also cracked me up with her, "I'ma do what I do." at Jay's insistence that she work it out for the black girls.

She, Joanie and (I never thought I'd be saying this) Furonda make this show so entertaining.

No, and I think I was clear on stating that I don't mind her not getting in the judges face over the leopard print and the african queen comments, but I do find it odd that her "confessionals" never contain any comments about the stereotyping. She's using it for the competition, that's fine, there's a lot at stake money wise for her but even with editing considered, not once has Nnenna ever said that she's uncomfortable with being portrayed as the African or that she has a problem with how Jay/Tyra etc comment about Africans. She doesn't have to bitch in Tyra's face a la Yaya in order to make it clear that she is bothered but using it for the competition. I'd respect something like that- "ha ha I'll show you african goddess all the way to the bank".

I don't think what Brooke said was racist per se but she did come across as a class A bigot.


More than a few black chicks would have had difficulty this week too. I didn't see Nnenna, Furonda or Danielle even coming close to nailing these challenges.


Which further proves my point that Tyra's show is all about Tyra & Co.

This is the entire premise of ANTM: If you ever in your life did Tyra Banks a favor she will feature you on her show, even if you have absolutely no worthy fashion creditials. Eventually she'll have the chef of her favorite BBQ Restaurant on the show to teach the girls how models eat ribs in a photo shoot.

Nnenna's got to know that Tyra et al are going to SEE her confessionals, though. (That's why I don't get girls who are dumb enough to say really controversial stuff in that booth -- Jayla.) Elyse had the excuse of being a 1st season contestant of an experimental show that they weren't sure was going to air at all -- everyone subsequent has to know all of America is going to see their bitchiness aired out into the atmosphere. And Nnenna's from a culture that expects its women to be reserved. I just don't see it.

Bwah!

On a lighter note, when Tyra did that 'turntable' thing and Twiggy blurted out "Brilliant!" and began clapping? Priceless! I rewound that scene a few times. Say what you want about Tyra, but she can bring it. That move was crazy! And it was funny to see the poor hamsters attempt it too.



Thank you, HeatherChandler,Hee!

Exactly.

I would consider it a touch xenophobic. Being from NY & going somewhere else you do hear the "go back there" comments all the time. And usually, imo, it is about people feeling intimidated and hostile towards difference & change and seeing any sort of confidence despite of or pride because of that difference as threatening. To me, it all comes from the same place and it smacks at the heart of what xenophobia is all about. Her behavior with the phone & her reaction to Brooke, imo, had nothing to do with Nnenna's ethnicity but Brooke choose to link the two because she lacks self confidence and was lashing out. When is that ever acceptable?

I'm telling you, I'm loving Joanie. That church walk & Harlem shake sealed it for me. She's adorable.

Tyra's shown that she's going to give shout outs to things that typically don't get shine. I believe the whole point of the twirling segment was to show what people who were blocked out came up with in their own space and an acknowledgement of where Tyra's gotten some of her style from. Perhaps de la Renta lacks an appreciation for that flavor but designers may appreciate it now or in the future. I really like the fact that Tyra gives the friends and people who helped on her come up an opportunity to be seen - I think she's embracing the spirit of umoja and its pretty cool.

A couple people have said something about Furonda's joints and her slouchy walk. I posted in the Furonda thread my suspicion that she has Marfans Syndrome-- a genetic disorder of the connective tissue (ultra-flexible joints) that's often characterized by exaggerated height and lack of ability to keep weight on, elongated facial features, fingers, and toes, and sometimes scoliosis (slouching? limp arm walk?). I'm not a doctor or anything (just know somebody who has it), so I don't know the rest of the things to look for. I just know that it can be dangerous for your heart, and my friend has to get EKGs every year. Furonda, to me, looks like she has it.

Very VERY true. She made it look easy. She reminded me of those pre-Heian Japanese women who were expected to glide in their kimonos without their heads bobbing up and down, as though they had no feet, just wheels.

I have no problem looking at Tyra, I just wish she'd talk less.
*owns a copy of Tyra's biography and is very embarassed*
(in my defense, it was a freebie)

edited because proper spelling is kewl

I think this is because they either are not as brave as they think, or that they don't care and don't want to get involved in something that isn't their problem.

I was not surprised to see Leslie go. Cute girl, but got nothing out of her. Even though we've seen a lot more of her (she seemed to be "engaged" in conversations with the other housemates), nothing came out of that. Her exit interviews ("Why were you so quiet?") will be interesting.

I must be an ANTM addict, as much as I try not to be. I caught myself trying to twirl and krump...the twirling made me dizzy and I lost my krumpin' groove. I guess that's what I get for going to 80s clubs and being around rhythmless drunks.

I totally tried to do that move, thinking it wouldn't be hard at all and the hamsters were just dumb. But...it was actually kind of hard. I couldn't do it as smoothly as Tyra, I had to move my foot a bit and couldn't go as slow.

Ha! Is there anything juicy in there?



I totally tried them, too. That twirling's harder than it looks! That Jade's got skillz.

I forgot about the part that made me laugh the loudest. The A-Swirl twins were doing a confessional and one of them was talking about Joanie being too tall. I can't remember the quote but something about "her heig-TH". Fully adding a TH to the word height. And made a point of it too. I laughed for like 5 minutes.

I totally tried to do it too. Can't front on Tyra with that turn..it deserved applause.

My fiance thinks Tyra looks better than ever because she's gained some more booty. Now she's even thicker and y'know the fellas love that.

I like Brooke, and don't think what she said was racist. AT ALL. I think that 1. we don't see EVERYTHING that goes on there, 2. the irritation level of being stuck w/ these beeotches day after day after day and as someone mentioned earlier, the lack of sleep, has to build up and you never know who is going to blow up and freak out. It could even be you, and you could say something "inappropriate." I think the thing that made me the maddest about Nnenna is when Brooke was like, "Also, it really bugs me when..." and Nnenna ignored her and picked up the phone again. That was a primo bitch move.

What else...oh yeah, let's talk about the "guest judge" for a minute. Wasn't there a fashion designer hanging around the Church Fashion Show? Fashion designers work w/ models; why wouldn't HE be the guest judge? Instead we get Tyra's preacher friend. I bet he knows a lot about fashion. I thought his comment about Sara was mean.

I thought the aswirl twins were ass.

As is Jade! I have come home semi-drunk many a weekend night to turn on Fashiontrance on Style network, which is endless runway shows. NO ONE spins down the runway. That was so stupid. SO stupid.

Tyra's turntable trick was cool, but it was kind of like, "Watch what I can do! Can you?" Why is this necessary? Of course, this didn't stop me from trying it barefoot in my carpeted living room after the show was over. I was worse than Nnenna. :)

I have never hated and loved a show so much at the same time.

I thought it was just me. That was hilarious. That and Jade's "gen-dre".

Are you Jade's mom?

That's where I'm at too. Nnenna might be a little arrogant and mighty not be good at sharing, but I still don't think she is a bitch. Girl needs to do a lot more than be a phone hog and laugh at Brooke's commercial to be at bitch to me. Especially since during said commercial, Joanie was cracking up and the rest of the girls were off camera so they could have been cracking up as well. C'mon...do we really think Jade wasn't laughing as well?

Nnenna might need a little more respect for the other girls but unless there's something they're not showing us, I'm not getting bitch.

I also don't understand why the bitch about her lack of personality, but never to Nnenna's face.

I hope Sarah can pull it together next week. I don't want her to go yet. I'm also on the Joanie and Danielle love trains. It's also funny how likable Furonda has become.

This show is becoming so transparent; why even bother with the guise of a model competition anymore? Tyra doesn't want a top high-fashion model, but a cute and disposable commercial model. Fine, but don't pretend otherwise.

I finally realized that my biggest problem with Miss J's runway "lessons" is that Miss J isn't telling the girls anything useful or helpful. He readily points out what they're doing wrong, but he's not showing what to do correctly. The reason why most of these girls suck at walking is because most of them have horrible posture. If Miss J were my mother I can tell you right now that none of them would have any more problems. If I had a nickle for every time my mom told me to sit/stand up straight, I'd be dead. My outstanding posture has been noted by numerous random people throughout my life. And my walk is something fierce, mmmhmmm! Thanks mom!

That twirling and its ungodly incarnation in the Blunder Twins were pure bullshit. They were about as helpful as Miss J. And what exactly was the point of that church challenge if they only gave flowing outifts to three of the girls? It was glaringly obvious the producers wanted a Jade win to irritate the other girls, and viewers undoubtedly, all the more. Like Jade deserves 25K.

The Brooke/Nnenna thing is so beyond juvenile that I violently don't care. Nnenna's only real crime is being inconsiderate, but I don't think that necessarily makes her a "fucking bitch," maybe just a "stupid bitch."

I was dismayed to learn that Brooke is 22 because she acts like she's 16. But then I see that she's from Texas, so I think that explains some things. Anyway, bitch needs to get over it quickly because it's really just making her look like an awful person. I didn't think her "go back to Africa" remark was racist in the least, but merely juvenile. "Well, if you like it there so much, why don't you just go back!" So junior high!

I think Tyra had to pick the truly best pictures from each girl's shoot to backtrack being called out on her antics from the last judging. (We all know that "best shot" is usually used a device to teach a girl a lesson, or to create drama.) So over it. But can't stop watching.

I've been saying this all along... even more so then in other seasons, the "every woman for herself" attitude is very prevalent here. In the Gina freakout episode, almost everyone is laughing at her. No one backed up Gina, - most of the girls seemed to feel like if Gina had a problem, she should take care of it herself (what was Jade gonna do? Spank her? tm Nnenna). So far, Gina bumbled and stutterd her way through standing up for herself, got a polite golf clap from the hamsters, and was eliminated. Now Brokke stands up for herself against Nnenna, utters quasi-racial slurs, gets quasi-comforted by the hamsters and adds to her already brewing nervous breakdown.



It's called editing. We never can be sure what we are not being shown.

Ouch- here we go with the racism again. I think I read these sames posts during last season of the real world.
I agree that Brooke's remarks were totally uncool. But as someone pointed out way up thread- Nnenna had been acting like she was better than other people (the laughing). It's my impression that she is just one of those bitches that thinks they are above everyone. I've never really gotten the impression that her heritage was what made her think she was so much better- but that could be in the editing. Brooke was attacking the center of Nnenna's "coolness" because Nnenna had been openly mocking Brooke just like the cool kids (bullies) in HS do to the less cool people (nerds). What she said (Brooke) just made her even less cool- poor thing.
Anyway- from the way it was edited, I didn't even get the impression that Nnenna heard her make the Africa comments. I think that there are a few people in that house that would have ripped her a new one if they had heard her say that and/or if they got the impression that she was saying it out of racism. Come on- Danielle was backing her up, you think if Danielle thought Brooke was a closet member of the KKK she would be lying next to her in bed laughing?
Also- Brooke was taped saying to the camera, housemates, and her father on the phone that she said things she should not have and that she felt bad about it. We don't know if she said she was sorry to Nnenna or not. They could have edited it out. The "sorry" would not be nearly as interesting TV as the fight.

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this is hilarious!!!

Nah, it's a beauty and self-esteem manual for girls, with lots of pictures. There is a section on, um, internal health, with testimonials, but "juicy" AIN'T how I'd describe it. :-)

Word to that!

Bklynchile, Dark Corner and Crackers are right on the money. I'm Nigerian, I was born and raised in England. Was also raised in Nigeria, as well as a gazillion other countries. I live in New York now. I'm proud of Nigeria, proud of England and loving America. Brooke's comments were offensive, and stupidity is no excuse. She is obviously harbouring resentments towards Nnenna, and that shit bugs me. I've been accused of being cold, (i like to think of it as level-headedness) and to be honest if Brooke had treated me like that, I would have had reacted the same way. I can't stand it when people don't have the courage to speak up about things that are bothering them so they hold off for ages bottling it all up and then explode!

She was rude, offensive and insulting. I love the fact that Nnenna chose not to dignify her with a response. I don't advocate phone hogging, but it is hardly a cardinal sin. All she had to do was tell her in a rational manner. And as for this issue of people laughing, Brooke really needs to learn to laugh at herself. Modelling is full of snide looks and bitchery....get over it. Lastly, she needs to get over herself. There has been no indication that every waking thought Nnenna has is filled with Brooke, Brooke on the other hand....

Danielle was right when she said that Brooke needed to own it. Make up your mind.

Love Danielle and Joanie. They are as funny as hell......I hope they go far.

Nnenna reacted to Brooke in a classic Nigerian way. Its called self respect. It will be called bitchy in Nigeria for her to be all in Brooke's face and insulting her or something of that kind.
I personally think she behaved well even with all the insults from Brooke.
I would have done exactly the same thing if i was Nnenna.
I guess it depends on personality.
I dont think she has to act because she is on television. If she is the more reserved quiet type, let her be, she shouldnt change herself because of television drama we are all hungry for.



Well said Monef