"Everything begins with family" is a quote of John Crichton's. He's speaking to Pilot and referring to Aeryn, their baby, his family aboard Moya and the impossible situation he can never seem to get away from and what he's willing to do to protect the people he loves. To me, it also refers to the family of cast and crew and fans that made this miniseries happen. I like being inclusive like that.

I was trying to think of a light-hearted/ironic/goofy title for this thread, but after reading Jacob's recap, I'm full of heavy Farscape thoughts.

So, the mini-series. What did you think? Did it fullfill your expectations? Did it make you wish for a full season? Or did you think Peacekeeper Wars was a sad attempt to tie up about 3,594 loose ends?

Overall, I was very satisfied with PKW. But then again, I came late to Scapedom, basically because I started watching it whenever Skiffy would air day-long marathons, or air random episodes. So, I don't know if I would have felt differently about it if I'd been watching Farscape from the beginning.

That being said, I went into the miniseries knowing it was going to be a truncated version of Season 5. Everything they wanted to do in S5 they had to get in in under four hours.

I think, quite honestly, my only gripe truly, was that we never truly learned what happened to Sikozu. I mean, I know she's most likely destroyed when the Water Planet was destroyed by the Super Wormhole (I totally almost wrote "Super Hole" and the 12 year old in me giggled), but last we saw her she was crawling toward Grunslich. And it is Farscape. Anything can happened.

All in all though, I thought PKW was great. I got the DVD when it came out and have watched it several times since :)

I loved PKW but I'm easy like that. I thought it did a fine job of finishing a major storyline in the time allotted. My one regret is we never got to hear the rest of the Nebari contagion story.

In my world, Sikozu not only survived but grabbed D'Argo and saved his life with Grunslich's help. Yep, that's how it went down in my head.

Mmmm...I like your world.

Dea, I like your world too.

But I thought PKW was pretty damn awesome.

I agree. This was the one thread that it would have been nice to explore further but saying that I loved the Peacekeeper Wars. Some of the music annoyed me, and odd things could have been better but overall it was a great attempt to bring a close to the storylines. Plus Aeryn was back and she wasn't the robo-Aeryn of season 4. The line when she says "shooting makes me feel better" (don't shout if this isn't entirely accurate) summed her character up perfectly!

Well, I doubt we'll ever see anything that contradicts this.

My thoughts on PKW are that it ruled, and even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter. What made PKW great, beyond the fact that it was awesome and full of surprises, is that it was ours. Sci-Fi tried to kill it, and we brought it back to life, even if Sci-Fi remained the gatekeeper. They wanted it their way, we wanted another, and in the end, they were brought low and ate crow, and we got our ending. I'd have prefered season 5, or shit, by now it'd be season 7. But we got something, and I'd give a lot for a chance to rub my DVD in Bonnie Hammer's face.

That said, Chiana is very annoying for her first scene or two.

Creepy Eidelons, "influencing peace" with the jedi mind trick, the special mellow brownies. One nibble and giant upright iguanas frollic in a field of tasty flowers.

The Peacekeeper Wars: Electric Mayhem :)

1812 made it!

You know, me too. It got really loud and bombastic in a way it never did in the show.

Just about my favorite part was when Harvey finally leaves John ala 2001. Beautiful.

So, The Peacekeeper Wars was playing on my local Hallmark station (in Israel) last week, and the description on the on-air guide was "When an evil empire opens war, the Peacekeeping robots have but one hope - Human astronaut Crichton". So, yeah, I have no idea which movie they were watching, but I don't remember the robots!

PKW was fast, action-packed, funny, sad, graceful, bombastic, and infuriatingly short but it was all we were going to get to end this chapter of Farscape. I really wanted more character moments and less explosions (Blowing Up 'n Kiss'n) and I simply hated Sikozou's remake, but those are little gripes compared to the overall amazing acting and movie-quality of the film.

I also have this secret fan fiction AU wish that Sikozou was rescued by Grunslick (sp?) and together they rescued and healed D'Argo for their own nefarious reasons. Heck, as one of you said, this is Farscape and we raise the dead all the time.

Now, there is an annual argument over on Terra Firma that John lost ALL the wormhole tech and knowledge and was "blond" again. I believe he still can sense and travel wormholes. What do you all think?

I loved the PKW. While I will never admit this outloud (I vehemently defend normally), I was dissapointed in season 4, Robo-Aeryn in particular. And the PKW just brought out what I loved about the show again. It might have been the lapse in time, but I sobbed like a baby the entire second part convinced someone was going to die, even scared Moya was going to die at one point. In what other show do you sob because a ship might die? John was being a jerk in sections, but it read as a backlash from all the years of torture. Chiana was off in the beginning, but got there eventually, and Pilot and Aeryn even got a scene together. A s5 would have been much preferable, but if this was the only way we were going to get kick ass Aeryn with fantastic hair, then I am happy with what I got.

Harvey says it twice... it is the wormhole weapons knowledge that is gone. (Once before the actual removal and once on his death bed.)

John still has the main wormhole knowledge and as has been made clear over and over again.... it is the wormhole travel that is the major danger - not the weapon. The wormhole weapon was red herring - very effective as the pivot point around PK Wars. But ultimately not the reason that the Ancients wanted to kill John in Season 4's "Unrealised Realities".

Add to that the knowledge that Aeryn and Pilot can "see" wormholes, Chiana has that funky relationship with time and energy, and John still has his notes and the original knowledge that Ancient Jack put in his head and you got one heck of a set up for future Farscape. :D

I agree that John probably still has wormhole knowledge. But I don't think it was stated over and over. Its very much up to interpertation. Harvey only mentioned the weapon knowledge. And I think that means that is all that is gone. But you could interpert that he said it that way because that is all he wanted. Scorpy never wanted to explore. He wanted them as a weaon. Once that is null and void Harvey has no purpose.

The problem is John did specificaly ask Einstein to take that information away from him when this was all over. He asked to be blonde again. Not just to have wormhole weapon knowledge taken. And Einstein agreed that it might be almost time to have that taken away from him. Meaning John has become to rouge. He isn't dependable like the ancients. With in the context of the show there is a lot of information to defend both positions. Its totally up to the personal viewer.

Harvey said it twice. Once when he was Harvey/Einstein and once in his deathbed scene.

There was also the Ancient/Einstein scene. (Both Harvey and the Ancient as Einstein... kinda cool and I am sure it is significant. I just can't figure out why.)

If you listen to the exchange between John and Ancient Einstein it is the repeat of their exchange in "Unrealised Realities". The only difference is that John changes the last line. He says.... "Time Ends"

John is telling Ancient Einstein that he is fully aware of how dangerous wormhole knowledge is and he will use it... if Ancient Einstein does not give him the wormhole weapons knowledge.

To forstall a much worse scenario Ancient Einstein does give him the weapons knowledge. And he does remove the weapons knowledge (as Harvey's death proves), but ....



Harvey (the Mark II chip that Scorpy put back in Critchon in early Season 4) is definitely gone. Either Scorpy is not fully aware of what wormhole knowledge alone is capable of, or he recognises that some genie's should stay in the bottle. I dunno. But the second chip is gone because Scorpy's goal was to stop the Scarrans from destroying the Peacekeepers. The violent path to peace - as he put it. And he has accomplished that. For now anyway.



John didn't ask for the knowledge in the first place - I don't think his opinion on the issue weighs to heavily in the decision making process on whether or not he keeps the knowledge.

One of the things that Ancient Einstein said to Crichton in "Unrealised Realities" is "I trust the one who entrusted you. But I need to understand why he bestowed this ability."

That question has not been answered.

The knowledge that Aeryn and Pilot can see wormholes (established in Season 4), Chiana's relationship with time and energy (established in Season 4 and PK Wars) and Harvey's death sets up a whole set of interesting new threads to weave into the Farscape Fabric.

Harvey tells John that he would leave/die/disappear after the wormhole weapons knowledge was uncovered. Note: not wormhole knowledge alone - because John has pretty much figured that one out (as was made clear in "Bad Timing") but wormhole weapons.

Ergo... wormhole weapons = red herring.

Of course this is open to interpretation. I support my perspective by quoting lines and scenes from the show, but I don't really know where the writers are going with Farscape. I could be completely wrong - however IMO I think that this is one direction that TPTB have left open for further exploration.

Wormholes have been the driving force behind this show since the "Premiere" episode. Knowing that Brian Henson is determined to continue Farscape suggests to me that wormholes will continue to be the driving force behind Farscape storytelling.

That doesn't mean John has them. A+B doesn't have to equal C. A John without wormholes in a world where he desperatly needs them (for a BT or PKW situation) could be captivating. In fact, more so since we have already done all of the stories where John has what everyone else wants. Over and over. To put John in Scorpy's shoes. Knowing he needs to get wormholes for "peace" (although Scorpy's main motivation has always been revenge peace was secondary as he himself stated in Incubator) and needing to go to great lenghts to get it. Putting the hero in the villan's shoes has been another underlying factor in Farscape. At the end of TOBM could you tell who was the hunted and who was the hunter? If you just caught the scene of ITLD with JOhn using the chair would you know he wasn't a PK?

If John were in that position. He couldn't just go to Einstein like he did in PKW. He can't reach him without a wormhole. All he would have is his original notes and the experience he has had. Which is gets him pretty far a long. But itsn't everything. In BT he was unconcsciously tapping into that Ancient knowledge to guide him. And even then he wasn't creating one from scratch. He was destroying a preexsisting one and even that he couldn't do without Pilot. Here he would have no secret superpower. And maybe the need to hunt a few people down to get it.





Exactly. Which is why what Harvey says is immaterial. Wormhole weapons are gone. As is his purpose. He didn't really want womrhole knowledge except it was a means to get wormhole weapons. Whether its there or not he is going to die. Of course, he is going to focus on the weapons. The knowldege could be gone too just because Harvey doesn't mention it specificaly doesn't mean anything. If someone points a gun at me and I start screaming he has a gun. That doesn't mean he doesn't have bullets too. I just don't see fit to mention them at that time. Its not my focus. Its evidance in one direction but it hardly makes or breaks an argument.

The reason john asking to be blonde again is important is that Einstein agrees that he also thinks its time for that. What Einstein wants does matter. And the question why AncientJack gave John the power was never answered. But we know the anceints were split on whether it was wise or not.And we do know that Jack began to doubt himself in IP. But that John proved himself beyond a doubt. This John has been more ambigous. He achieved his goal but he used black mail, brought in civilians and came close to destroying the univese. Its not impossible that at this point Einstein also began to doubt that choice. Maybe he no longer believes that John Crichton is worth the risk.

Just because wormholes are a driving force doesn't mean the show has to become redundant. They could look at from a whole new angle. John being blonde doesn't change the fact that wormholes are important, or the Pilot and Aeryn informatioin (which I would love to have more focus on), or Chianna's ability. It doesn't take anything away from the show it just adds to it. After wanting that information gone. After being hunted for it. After basically choosing Aeryn over womrholes (his two obsessions and one won). To realize that he still needs it... I don't see anything but a million possibilites.

I agree that wormholes will be prominently featured in any future Farscape shows — and I wouldn't be surprised by a return of Harvey, either. He rose from the "dead" once before. It would just seem so Scorpius-like to fake out John that way.

I agree. I don't think Harvey is gone either. When I said that the second neural chip was gone, I was refering to the chip that Scorpius implanted in John in "Promises" - under the pretense of removing Harvey. (Why John trusted Scorpy enough to do this is beyond me... John Crichton is cute and all, but sometimes just not that smart.)

Harvey Mark II - the one who loyalty is given to Scorpius - is dead. But... that doesn't mean Harvey is dead. Harvey (the Harvey of Season 3) is a 'neural bleed' - and unless the erasure program was also cauterizing John's brain... he isn't gone.

And as far as John losing wormhole knowledge... I don't see it. For one thing... AEryn and Pilot can both see wormholes (as is established in Season 4). Chiana has a funky relationship with time - very important for wormhole travel. John can 'smell' wormholes - which isn't a knowledge it is a sense. John can also travel wormholes without the knowledge since he got to the uncharted territories via one in the very first episode. And finally - even if John forgets everything he knows about wormholes he still has his notes.

All these threads have been careful installed and fostered by the writers and PTB in Farscape.

Plus that final sappy sentimental scene in Farscape - when John and Aeryn are giving the stars as Baby D's playground? That scene is disturbingly reministent of the final scene in the movie 2001 A Space Odyssey - when the Star Child with his untested and immense powers reaches out to play with the universe he has been given.

I don't think the protagonist of the new series will be Baby D (lordy I hope not *shudder*) but I do think that the homage to 2001 A Space Odyessy was in no way a mistake.

It was foreshadowing. Something these writers/actors/directors are immensely skilled at doing.

Why not continue the Henson tradition? "Farscape Babies".

Wormholes are vital to Farscape--it's a story line that went 4+ years, to drop it would seem very strange. But where to go, I'm not sure. Many threads were planted, and then many threads got tied off. Perhaps John would try to keep others from learning too much about wormholes. Perhaps he'd become too tyrannical with them.

Harvey may be done, but I would be totally unshocked to see him again...though I'd cheer and do a little dance. Scorpy, though...he said he wanted to protect PKs from the Scarrens, and he did, but now that it's done, I don't see him just going off and living the quiet life. He's all about revenge, domination, and destruction, and those aren't just things you give up. Maybe he'll decide that the PKs are the biggest threat to the PKs.

I was looking at the cast list of The Peacekeeper Wars on IMDB and it lists the lady that played Prince Clayvel's fiance in the Looking at the Princess trilogy. Jenavio Charo but I can't remember seeing her in the mini series and it says she plays that particular character. Any one with good eyes can tell me what part of the movie to look for her???? I have the DVD but I can't find her anywhere. I know a lot of you seem to think John has 4 kids in Peacekeeperland at the end of the miniseries perhaps this scene is where they get the idea I don't know. Katrala (girl) Aeryn (boy) Grayza (girl) Jenavio (????) any help from the highly observant would be greatly appreciated.

I thought I responded to this, but it hasn't shown up, so I'll try again:

garymarcella writes:

IMDB needs to be updated. I assume that they (whoever filled in the PKW IMDB page) simply added all the possible recurring characters, hoping to cover all bases. You're right, you didn't see her because she's not there.

On the other hand, if you squint really hard, you can just make out in the lower left-hand corner ...

:)

Actually - just for continuities sake - it would have been cool if Jenavian Chatto could have been in the background in the treaty signing scene. Still undercover, and still involved in major politics.

But she wasn't.

John Adams (Bekhesh, and uh...Lava planet dude) was in PKW as the Speaking Luxan Commando, and Zelkin the Zenetan was the Grand Chancellor, so it's not impossible...I just can't think of who Jenavian might have played.

You know I get really tied up in a show sometimes. I was sitting here after watching "Kansas" and I finally saw the part where Aeryn saw the wormhole forming. (makes ya wonder why they had to cut Pilot out of Moya) anyway can you imagine the talents of their children starting with D'Argo SUN Creighton Aeryn is Sebacian (extremely smart and capable) with Pilot DNA and John is Human (almost genius and lucky) with Ancient Knowledge that apparently can be accessed by DNA John and Aeryn together can barely be beat they are so superior together. Can you imagine the children of these two individuals. They would be the beginings of a brand new race almost guaranteed to be special and unique. IMHO

If they make another mini-series like PKW or a movie I hope it is focused on John and Aeyrn plus original Moya crew again. ( Maybe they might add J/A's son also. ) They are the main characters of the series , the characters we loved , got used to , lived with for almost five years. Farscape wouldn't be same without them. It wouldn't even be same without Ka'Dargo.

And of course Sci Fi showed the Peacekeeper Wars last night....at 11pm!!! By 12:15, despite my love, I was asleep : (

Just out of curiosity does anyone know what was supposed to have happened to Sikozu. Grunsclick sees her there and her right arm is up on the post next to her and she looks like she is in pain. You figure Scorpy nailed her arm to that post and ripped off her legs or what. I would have liked to see what he did to her since he didn't kill her. And yes I am in the same group that thinks Grunsclick helped Sikozu get herself together and they Found D'Argo and with the Diagnotion who was only wounded despite a shot to the head managed to get another Scaran troopship or Moya's Pod and made it off the planet before it broke up. Hey its Farscape and its Science Fiction anything can happen. Speaking of Moya's Pods how many do ya figure she has left after 4 years of constant action huh. Just a few questions but the one I'm really interested in if anyone has heard a commentary or interview with the stars that say what Sorpy did to Sikozu.

The writers left that open. But....

Considering the breakneck pace of the mini-series and all the threads and character moments that they had to cram into it - they wouldn't have wasted precious time on showing a living Sikozu connecting with an escaping Grunchlk if they didn't have plans for both characters to be realised in some future Farscape.

Grunschlk is a survivor (remember the last time he was 'dead'?) as is Sikozu. And Sikozu knew where the abandoned Moya transport pod was (the one the crew used to ride up from the bottom of the ocean) and she also knows how to fly it.

D'ARgo... well - what did Grunschlk do for a living? He stored dead bodies (mostly dead bodies) so they could be used for spare parts.

The facility is still there. (It was not destroyed as far as we know.) The need is still there. And Luxan spare parts have got to be a valuable as any other kind of (mostly) dead body parts...

I leave the rest to your imagination. ;)

Very True. And Sikozu is a freedom fighter. And the one man who has been proven to put the Scarren's into a position where they have to do what he says is John Crichton. And John Crichton's weakness has been proven to be the people he loves. D'Argo would be very valuable to her as an asset. And he is valuable as someone she really does care about eventhough politics got in the way. So I would say that both Grunschlick and Sikozu have reasons to keep D alive if possible.

I'll say first that D'Argo kicked ass. And I'll say next that dreamers should be allowed to dream. Then I'll say that the case is very persuasive.

But I'll say finally that I hope it never happens in canon.

Death was a big deal on Farscape. Stark is the exception, but they even wrote their out into his death ep. Beyond that, when a good guy died, it stuck. After ItLD pt 2, there were plenty, myself included, who expected the crew to come across Talyn and Crais stuck in Starburst somewhere. But it never happened.

Death was very real on Farscape--Jilina, Zhaan, Crais, and D'Argo still resonate, because they never got undercut. When they were gone, they were gone, and it became rapidly apparent that no long-lost clones or alternate realities were going to fix that.

Also, D'Argo had a very beautiful arc that reached a beautiful conclusion--I rambled at length about it elsewhere. He's gloriously finished.

But I'll hardly begrudge anyone thinking that Sikozu and Grunschlik got D'Argo off--I thought the same thing. The show's over, and now we're all left watching a show in our heads, so, anything goes, I guess. But if Farscape continues in some capacity, I don't think I'd like seeing D'Argo back.

See, and I thought that was Chiana's job. <rimshot>

I'm with you (despite snark to the contrary), SpacePPoliceman. I know this is a genre in which dead is not necessarily dead (maybe he's only mostly dead and in need of Miracle Max), but I think I would feel a little cheated if D'Argo were brought back to life in some future incarnation of the show. And yes, it would be great to see him, and yes, I won't begrudge anyone their hope either, but really.... I just have the sense, for whatever reason, that TPTB meant for D to stay dead. And if they didn't, they should, because it's, like, way more poignant that way.

Don't begrudge a dying man his fun! He is an attractive guy everyone should get their turn.

I do agree it would be more poignant with D dead as dead. But I also have very little interest in future Farscape without him so I am torn. And the fact that originally they had no intention of keeping Zhaan dead gives me hope. In fact, they were going to plant her in the soil leave her there a couple of eps and then have her back good as new. Except Virginia Hey wanted out. So I could see them doing something similar with D'Argo. Whether or not that would be wise is up for debate. On the one hand his death was so honroable, noble and fitting. And his goodbyes were so final. It would be an insult to the character and the audience to have him back. But on the other hand {whine} I want D'Argo!! {/whine} So basically all logic and the criteria of good story telling tells me one thing. And the fact that I am a spoiled brat tells me another.

Hee hee! You know, as I typed that, I thought "Ah, double entendre." But then I thought "This crowd is too classy to pick up on that one." I thank you, BostonTony, for proving me wrong.

For the record, surrounded by Scarrens, guts hanging out, world being eaten by a wormhole, I'd still make time for a quick roll with Sikozu.

Grunshlik is a different matter.



I think this ambivalence is a mark of...something. How brilliant D'Argo was, and how brilliant Simcoe was at playing him is a big part. I guess the other part is either how great Farscape was, or how wise its fans tend to be, or maybe both.

Happy to be of service. Remember, any time you're looking for juvenile behavior, I'm your man.

Oh, and ... huh huh. You said "big part." Huh huh.

I'm as torn as the rest of you. Much as I hate it, I think you're right about D'Argo being better off dead (so to speak).

On the other hand... John and Aeryn have already been brought back, and so has Rygel (who I think was the first to go, all the way back in Throne for a Loss?), Stark (even though that was prepared for already when he "died", like someone mentioned before) and... who else again?

Chi never died and came back, did she? Was Pilot ever dead, or was he simply not at all well those times when John kicked him or he was stuck in the pod or taken over by an evil bad-guy catcher or whatever? Moya was at least almost dead in Look at the Princess, even though her Creator had no intention of killing her for real. Harvey, of course, but he doesn't count, of course.

With all this in mind, you COULD say (if you're looking for excuses, like) that the dead-is-dead thing has already been diluted. Seen that way, it's only fair that D'Argo gets to come back too.

There is definitely more to death on Farscape than many other similar shows (cf Zhaan, Crais, Talyn...). But I'd say there's definitely an out for the hopelessly hopeful.

Okay, I just read through this thread and I have a quick question: what are these references to John being "blonde" if he loses/lost all the wormhole knowledge? I haven't watched PKW in ages; is it from a comment that John or someone else makes?

And on the D'Argo debate, I agree with those who think that while it's certainly possible for them to bring him back for future Farscape (it being sci-fi and all), that it would ultimately cheapen his death and the show a little if they did so. But I also have a really hard time imagining a Farscape without D'Argo. And that's one of the reasons that I would be okay if we don't ever get more Farscape. Don't get me wrong, I love the show and I want to see Crichton, Aeryn, Chiana and Pilot again, and I'd love to see them tackle the Nebari Contagion storyline. But I'm also okay with it ending where it did in PKW.

The "blonde" thing is from PKW:


I'm just as torn as everyone else about D'Argo. On the one hand, it just wouldn't seem like Farscape without him. On the other hand, his death was fitting and noble, and I don't have a problem with him having died. I guess I could accept it either way.

Despite my love for PKW, I haven't bought the DVD yet. I'm afraid that they're going to release a "Starburst Edition" type of concept for it. Anyone heard anything?

Also, thank you all for the glimmer of hope the Sikozu saved D'Argo somehow. I never thought of that and even though I now that death has a finality on Farscape and that they wanted D'Argo's death to resonate, I like the idea that in some future iteration, he could return.

Hmmm.... Yeah.

I think the difference in the two camps is capriciousness. John's deaths (save T-John's), Rygel's, and even Aeryn's deaths were all very...unfair. They weren't "done" and they didn't really get "proper" deaths, with emotional pay off for us, through our proxies, the other characters. The various other deaths were very dirty, done to incomplete characters. That, I guess, is where I'd draw the line.

Chiana "died", or at least her twin did, in "Eat Me", but otherwise she had a very undeathful time on Moya. Pilot was only ever in very, very bad shape. And Harvey's a bad guy, they get a free pass.

dcow, the Starburst editions are being put out by ADV, whereas Peacekeeper Wars was released by Lionsgate. Judging by the care *cough* that went into the back-cover description and the general lack of extras, I'm guessing Lionsgate has little interest in releasing an upgraded version.

Still, for $10, it's well worth just buying.

I believe the Region 2 PKW is superior, but someone else will have to vouch for that.

All of this discussion on whether or not D'argo could/should survive has filled me with sorrow for the many tiny, floating, explody bits that remain of Jool. Poor Jool. She had just entered her Raquel Welch/ Barbarella period. That death seemed pretty final.

Yeah Jool is gone there is no possible way to bring her back unless they say three of the priests used the probes again to put Arnesc into a freeze again. Of course #1 we did not see the probes survive in WWL2 and since the site got nuked this time there is almost no chance anyone will go on another did to find out what happened there to the temple. I think there is zero chance for Jool to survive and only a 50 - 50 chance or D'Argo and Sikozu to survive.

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Sikozu will survive. The writers would not have wasted precious screen time showing her connecting with Grunchlik if they didn't fully intend for both characters to return.

Jool? Is also probably alive. Along with PIkal. If you look at PK Wars again the nukes hit inland - well away from the coast. And if you recall the Temple on Arnessk was within tiptoe distance of the coast. As in - miles from the detonation. So did they survive without damage? No. But did they survive? Yeah probably.

D'argo on the other hand? I think he is dead. But having my suspicions of where the writers were going with the story theme of death and unrealized realities and the whole Stark/Time/Wormhole Travel thing - I don't think that means he is gone.

Just my 2 cents. :D

I really need to hide my DVD of The Peacekeeper Wars. I was watching it again, (about the 20th time) and I am struck with the superb acting of Claudia Black both in TPKW and the regular series. Of course it could just be my fertile mind but in her expresions you can see her thinking what her life is like with this odd human she loves. At the end of Fetal Attraction when she closes her eyes and touches John's face and later stroking his hair you can see volumes in what she is not saying. She is exctatic that she is not dreaming and John is really there and she is safe on Moya. In TPKW at the end you can see her anguish that both Johns might have sacrificed their lives for the "greater good" then when he reacts to their son you can see the worry that he is breathing his last and that the intake of air is a death rattle. Then you see the joy in her face when she realizes that John has come back to her and Little D'. When she looks at Sikozu when she says John is inferior to her. This human who's race has barely left its' planetary atmosphere in a span of just 4 cycles has mastered his new world. That two battle hardened warriors who grew up in that world look to this strange human for leadership and abject cowards like Stark, Rygel, and even to a lesser extent Jool and Chiana follow him into the jaws of death to do what he wants them to do. He has led them to be the most notorious and feared/respected group in the Galaxy. He has defeated the Peacekeepers and Scarans at every turn and forced them to make peace with the threat that if they don't the Galaxy will be destroyed completely. Yet this human who will do anything to save the woman he loves and his friends, has killed perhaps a million beings in defense of his family, friends, and planet is so tender and loving that she threw off her PK training and predjudices and all these diverse beings that gravitate to Moya who lived in a world of mistrust all trust John.

I know I wrote a lot here but Claudia Black seems to me to convey all this and more in just her gestures and looks. What a superb actress. Well I had my say and remember this is IMHO only.

I just rewatched PKW, and while crying yet again during the D'Argo death scene (it seriously gets me every time, no other movie or tv scene has done that to me), I noticed that the pulse pistol John gives D is Winona. First I thought he must have had to give up Winona on the Decimator, but he had it later to wave at Aeryn, and called it by name. And Winona is always at his hip, and I noticed his holster is empty as he is handing the gun to D'Argo. That made me cry even harder, thinking of how D'Argo gave Aeryn his qualta blade in DMD, and what a nice allusion that was. Also, It's Winona! John's favorite gun! Sob!

John had two pulse pistols in that scene in PK Wars. I don't think he gave Winona to D'Argo - although I couldn't tell you for sure one way or the other.

But my own feeling is the writers and Ben are too aware of the symbolism of Winona (i.e., Winona symbolises Aeryn) for John to give her to D'Argo.

So I think that John gave D'Argo his 'spare'.

Could you guys give me your opinion on something please? Aeryn says as they get off the pod after crashing into the ocean that it is beyond her why any woman would go through the process of having more than one child. (imagine if she was human and had to do nine months instead of days) John says they say that three is the magic number and Aeryn says three is a scary number. Just curious if you guys think John means three kids and Aeryn means just her John and the baby or what. Later on when she says three does not seem like a scary number any more she could still mean she wants John back to make three or she could mean she is open to three kids if John comes back to her. I know in Rockne's story he put in the last Farscape Magazine "Horizons" he has John and Aeryn with three kids two boys and a girl but I'm curious I did a search for three is the magic number about kids and could not find a reference to it. What do ya think? Just curious.

I think it means both. John is a family man, and would like 3 kids, with Aeryn. She, on the other hand is referring to the fact that three is family - two parents and child -and how scary the concept of parenthood is. Recall she was not raised in a family structure, nor ever experienced coupledom. They don't exist at her rank in PK society.

Parenthood is scary enough in our world, it must be incomprehensible to Aeryn. Recall also her ambivelence at motherhood. She wants this baby because John wants it. She herself is unsure at D'Argo imminent arrival. It takes until he is born for her to come around to the idea of motherhood, as it does for a lot of unplanned babies.

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See, I think Einstein does figure out why the Ancients bestowed Crichton with the ability. And maybe I just viewed the whole scene wrong in PKW, but I got the impression that Einstein fully understood and agreed with what John was going to do (when he comes back without Starleek). I think Einstein's race was very, very concerned with the preoccupation the Scarrans and PKs have with wormholes. It's the very thing they do not want: malevolent races using wormholes for selfish means. But, I think Ancient Jack entrusted Crichton with the wormhole knowledge because he sensed his tenacity and his desire to live peacably (and I like to think he has a little foreknowledge of the person John will become). Eventually Einstein sees this too -- by the time of PKWars John is the one guy in the universe that can throw the Scarrans and PKs off wormholes forever. He doesn't care about the Scarran-PK War itself, but he cares very much about the misuse of wormholes. I dunno... just my theory.

Is it weird that it makes me kinda sad that Crichton loses his wormhole knowledge?

Also, I don't know that I agree that only the weapons knowledge was taken -- I think it was all the knowledge given to John by Ancient Jack (because of the whole "I wanna be blond" line). However, I tend to think that John gets to keep the stuff he figured out for himself, which I think a lot of the wormhole stuff in Into the Lion's Den and Crichton Kicks is his own. The info in his head was a guide, but he's never actually able to access it until Einstein unlocks it. So, I wouldn't be surprised if, in (potential) future Farscape, Crichton still has a little *sense* of wormholes, and some knowledge of them.

A few things about PKWs: what happened to Gigi Edgely? Did she just forget how to play Chiana for part of the mini? Also, Lani Tupu's voice just bothers me, because they don't synthesize it the same, and Pilot sounds so different it bothers me.

I remember upon initially watching the mini that I was bothered by Sikozu's defection, because it seemed so retconned. But, now it actually makes sense. And actually, I like the mini MUCH better this time. It started beautifully (LOVED the initial CGI) and the Aeryn voice over going through the battle weary Moya is just chill inducing. But, then the first half of the mini really faltered for me. I got weary of the Rygel-carrying-LittleD subplot mostly. But the second half was really moving and interesting. I liked it.

D'Argo's death? Yeah, it made me cry again (a lot). And I'm with everyone that just wouldn't be thrilled with future Farscape without him. So, I don't care if it cheapens his death here, I want him back. I never wanted Zhaan or Crais or Talyn or Gilina back... but I want D'Argo back, dammit.

So, I'm sad now.

Does anybody else notice while watching PKW how it's really a full season's worth of episodes squeezed into one movie? What I mean is, you can see little dollops of action that go together but not necessarily with the plot a a whole. I can see a whole episode based on Chiana getting new eyes, convincing the Eidolons to de-crystallize John and Aeryn, John and Aeryn almost getting married and Scorpius showing up, etc. The Tragans especially struck me that way. I just fast forward through that part. It isn't connected to anything else in the movie.

I'm not saying I didn't love it. I did. But I (like everybody else here, I'm sure) wish I could have seen each part developed into its own episode. It would have been a spectacular season.

Also, I think the next movie will (the power of positive thinking) be smoother and more of an integrated whole because they won't be dealing with the leftover (I don't mean that derogatorily, I love leftovers!) structure of series television.