RepairmanBob
Apr 21, 2007 @ 8:28 am
Plus if I remember correctly, "Combat" wasn't pre-empted in Chicago as "Progeny" was.
Combat was pre-empted.
So was
Freak.
Damn, CW can't catch a break.
As for the low ratings? I know we are coming off a break and all, but damn - tough time to be a Chloe fan. I hope
Nemesis, with the promise of quality Clark/Lex interaction that does not consist of "I love Lana best!" / "No, I love Lana Best!" does better.
I know ratings are subjective, and that there are many factors that need to be considered, but does anyone else find it interesting that after the big push for the Lana-heavy
Promise, the ratings for the show have gone to hell?
Kahhhn
Apr 21, 2007 @ 10:13 am
I know ratings are subjective, and that there are many factors that need to be considered, but does anyone else find it interesting that after the big push for the Lana-heavy Promise, the ratings for the show have gone to hell?
Yeah, I noticed..And I think that's the main reason..Although don't tell Lana or Clana fans that over at SWEET...To them we are just making excuses because we just don't want to admit that nobody watches for Chloe, she sucks, and AM has flabby arms.
RepairmanBob
Apr 21, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Yeah, I noticed..And I think that's the main reason..Although don't tell Lana or Clana fans that over at SWEET...To them we are just making excuses because we just don't want to admit that nobody watches for Chloe, she sucks, and AM has flabby arms.
Well, ED has great abs, looks great in a pleather bodysuit and did FauxLez... none of which helped the ratings for
Combat. For that matter, TW in black leather (not my thing, personally), didn't help either.
nzs
Apr 21, 2007 @ 10:28 am
Eh, "Promise" killed the forward momentum of the season and turned viewers who are not interested in melodramatic soap operas away, imo. The irony is that the CW were sure that that was what their audience wanted based on their gungho promotion of "Promise".
ETA: As for Sweet - I used to go there to get a different fandom's take on each eppy, but I haven't in awhile. I'm too disgusted.
mobiusklein
Apr 21, 2007 @ 11:13 am
I think it also doesn't help that the finale script has been leaking out all over the place. How can one be excited about the leadup to THAT? I seriously think it cast a pall over the rest of the season. I'm not sure the finale's going to get much above 4.2.
VersesBatman
Apr 21, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Al/Miles must not pay attention to ratings, because they sound so confident that they'll have a season 8.
holtz
Apr 21, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Al/Miles must not pay attention to ratings, because they sound so confident that they'll have a season 8.
Pretty much everything else in the CW has even crappier ratings, so Smallville doesn't look so bad in comparison. It's a sad state of affairs that a season 8 is even being considered. Damn, the CW must be really desperate.
mobiusklein
Apr 21, 2007 @ 11:26 am
I don't think they should sound so confident. The rest of the series might do worse. And lower ratings=smaller budget=crappier FX which then becomes a snake that eats its tail. And honestly I hope those two don't get any more job offers after this.
VersesBatman
Apr 21, 2007 @ 11:42 am
They could always do another Herbie movie.
Bitterswete
Apr 21, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Whether SV's renewal is certain or not, ratings still serve a purpose, determining how much money advertisers will pay to advertise during that timeslot. So, as far as the CW is concerned, you bet ratings are still important.
And, as said above, it can also determine SV's budget for next season. If slipping ratings means the CW is making less money off of SV, they're gonna be thinking seriously about how much they're willing to spend on the show. And, considering how much many fans love seeing Clark use his powers, cuts in the budget could put a serious crimp in that.
Just because the network's other shows aren't doing much better in the ratings, and SV's renewal pretty much seems like a sure thing, doesn't mean the CW is just going to be content with any ratings SV gets.
tabbymarie
Apr 21, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Okay, several things here...
The script being leaked was only an online thing. It can be argued that there could potentially be up to 200,000 fans online (given the amount of unique hits that some times receive in a day's time) but that is no where near 4 million viewers. The leak is not effecting the viewers unless a substantial amount of those viewers are Nielsen families and they all disliked the script enough to stop watching the show.
Two, lower ratings do mean lower budgets, but this year's budget will not be affected, they are already done with the finale. Smallville, however, is still one of their top shows. Budget might be lower but it won't be significantly lower.
Three, I'd rather see Al and Miles do something they really want to do and enjoy doing, I wouldn't with them permanently unemployed.
KSiteCraig500
Apr 21, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
As "bad" as Thursday night's ratings are, Smallville STILL is getting better numbers than most anything else on the CW's schedule.. and that's on a very competitive night.
And it's especially doing well when you consider Smallville repeats score better than most other shows on the network. So I don't know if "worried about ratings" is that much of a problem. I think they should be worried about good stories. Both of the CW shows I currently watch, Smallville and Veronica Mars have been inundated with soap opera crap that takes away from what might otherwise be decent seasons.
Regarding next year's budget... remember they'll be saving the money otherwise spent on one, maybe two series regulars next year. Even if they bring Aaron Ashmore on more, that's money they probably would have spent anyway.
Kahhhn
Apr 21, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Yeah, if it's a permanent departure of one of the main leads you figure that's probably a savings of about 100,000 an episode at least.
RichardAK
Apr 21, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
Kahhhn:
I know ratings are subjective, and that there are many factors that need to be considered, but does anyone else find it interesting that after the big push for the Lana-heavy Promise, the ratings for the show have gone to hell?
RepairmanBob:Yeah, I noticed..And I think that's the main reason..Although don't tell Lana or Clana fans that over at SWEET...To them we are just making excuses because we just don't want to admit that nobody watches for Chloe, she sucks, and AM has flabby arms.
One can interpret data in different ways if one wishes, but it must be noted that "Combat," which aired only a week after "Promise," was down about 600,000 viewers, based on the finals. "Progeny," despite a long hiatus after "Combat," and, again, very little promotion, only lost about 100,000 viewers, and apparently did better than "Combat" in the 18-34 demos. So if the CW executives are at all intelligent, which is a big if at this point, they're aren't going to look at these data and say "people don't want to see Chloë," or "people don't want to see Clark fighting dangerous enemies in big action sequences." They're going to say "soap-operatic melodrama that centers around Lana cost us about 13% of our viewers."
B Vash Ashby
Apr 21, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
These ratings seem good to me, considering how much of a non-factor promotion was and the rise in the money demo. Do we have the numbers from previous hiatuses from this season and say the last? IM curious as to how they usually play out.
Despite going to this site religiously, on Thursday night i forgot it was on because of the lack of promos during the rest of the week of my casual CW viewing.
Clearly the return of the hell beast Clana is the reason for the ratings slump. SWEET cant really spin that away or look at it through pink colored glasses.
Scry
Apr 21, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
CW ratings roundup! And for once, every show had a new episode.
WEEK OF 4/15/07 - 4/21/07
AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL 5.20 Million Viewers
SMALLVILLE 3.98 Million Viewers
GILMORE GIRLS 3.79 Million Viewers
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN! 3.78 Million Viewers
SUPERNATURAL 3.25 Million Viewers
PUSSYCAT DOLLS PRESENTS 2.98 Million Viewers
7TH HEAVEN 2.80 Million Viewers
vrd
Apr 21, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
Thanks for the numbers, but this:
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN! 4.40 Million Viewers (not final)
was just for the 2nd hour. Fast nationals from Berman:
Overall, Smackdown! was below average with 3.84 million viewers (#5) and a 1.2/ 4 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m.
. So SV should be in 2nd if the finals hold up.
Scry
Apr 21, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Whoops! Thanks, vrd. ;)
Kahhhn
Apr 22, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Wow, everyone was down! Except AMTM. Well that takes the sting out of the ratings fall a bit. But it better climb back over 4 million next week. And I'm really hoping it gets over 4.5 million.
raven1066
Apr 22, 2007 @ 10:39 am
Yeah, SV would have been over 4 million this week if not for the pre-emptions (BTW-as pointed out I was wrong about "Combat" not being pre-empted) and I believe that it will be back over the mark this next week. For the last 2 seasons SV has seen a drop off in ratings in the back third of the season so "Progeny" was in line with that. The big thing to recognize is that SV is still the CW's top rated scripted show. A seventh season should be in the bag. As for the possibility of an eighth season. Well, if SV get's its seventh season and if SV performs about the same as it is now in the ratings I just don't see the CW being able to let that go...e.i.- an eighth season seems more likely. We'll see.
holtz
Apr 22, 2007 @ 11:29 am
WEEK OF 4/15/07 - 4/21/07
AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL 5.20 Million Viewers
SMALLVILLE 3.98 Million Viewers
FRIDAY NIGHT SMACKDOWN! 3.84 Million Viewers (not final)
GILMORE GIRLS 3.79 Million Viewers
SUPERNATURAL 3.25 Million Viewers
PUSSYCAT DOLLS PRESENTS 2.98 Million Viewers
7TH HEAVEN 2.80 Million Viewers
Wow, that really puts things in perspective. The CW sucks so much. Their highest show barely crosses 5 million (numbers that would get any show canned in any of the real networks),and most hang around 3 million. WB+UPN=incredible display of poor management.
ScrappyTheOwl
Apr 22, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Wow, that really puts things in perspective. The CW sucks so much. Their highest show barely crosses 5 million (numbers that would get any show canned in any of the real networks),and most hang around 3 million. WB+UPN=incredible display of poor management.
The WB and UPN (the latter in particular) had few shows that earned over 5 or 6 million viewers, and Smallville was one of few that (at rare occasions) went above that. The biggest problem with The CW is simply availability -- it's very much a netlet, and not a network, in comparison to the other networks. The other networks are available to millions upon millions more people (and the other networks don't/rarely put up with cable-only access in some areas, not to mention secondary affiliation) ... as The CW gets older and obtains more primary affiliates, it's possible they can compete with the big networks in terms of total viewers, but at the moment that's a virtual impossibility.
The CW has presented itself as a niche network, one targeted at the Adults 18-34 demographic, and it's finally starting to fill that niche as it's found its groove ... looking at the total viewers really says very little for The CW. Take a look at Tuesday and Wednesday nights lately -- sure, they're dead last of the networks in total viewers. But they're 2nd behind Fox in Adults 18-34 and Women 18-34. That's actually a pretty big accomplishment, considering the 18-34 demos are the most coveted by advertisers.
Massena1
Apr 22, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
Just to show how the overall viewer numbers can be deceptive. Here are how the shows airing on the CW this past week rank in terms of their target demo (18-34). We don't always get this info., and that's why we have to go by the other info more regularly, but the demos are what the networks focus on.
1) 4/18 America's Next Top Model - 3.2/10 A18-34
2) 4/17 Gilmore Girls - 2.1/6 A18-34
3) 4/19 Smallville- 1.9/7 A18-34
4) 4/18 PCD ®- 1.9/5 A18-34
5) 4/17 PCD - 1.7/5 A18-34
6) 4/19 Supernatural - 1.4/4 A18-34
7) 4/15 7th Heaven (8pm)- 1.3/4 A18-34
8) 4/16Girlfriends - 1.0/3 A18-34
9) 4/16The Game - 0.8/2 A18-34
10) 4/16 All of Us - 0.7/2 A18-34
11) 4/16Everybody Hates Chris - 0.6/2 A18-34
Gilmore Girls is worth more to the CW than SV because of the demos. Although Gilmore Girls didn't have any preemptions, their ratings took a big dip this past week as well. I believe they were the lowest of the season. I saw a few people say they missed the GG episode because of lack of promotion.
I know some people suggested the CW tried to sabotage ratings but I don't think that is the case. I think the CW is just odd about promoting the products they have effectively. The management seems to play favorites with promotions that don't necessarily make sense business-wise. I've heard they've been playing a lot of Veronica Mars promos lately and as much as I have enjoyed the program in the past, their other shows that MAKE THEM MONEY could have probably used the promo push more like GG/SV. Someone recently suggested to me that the CW's management favors UPN shows that they developed and want them to succeed so *they* will look good as tv execs for having launched successful shows and I think there may be something to that. Egos can be factors in business decisions even when they shouldn't be.
It is lamentable that the CW has burdened three S6 SV episodes (Freak, Combat and Progeny) with preemptions in major markets. That naturally hurt their ratings which in turn hurts the show's season long demo averages. They could have helped them along, especially Combat and Progeny, by airing them opposite repeats to boost their indiv. ratings and helped the seasonal ratings averages in the demos. I felt they made a similar mistake at the beginning of S6 by premiering their series *after* other networks instead of *before* as the WB use to. But, the CW's management is very much like the old UPN.
Next week, Nemesis won't face preemptions and it will even have a few new markets because the CW and Time Warner Cable finally made their deal to have the CW programming aired in a few holdout markets like El Paso and Palm Springs, CA. That should help CW programming out some. http://www.pe.com/business/local/stories/P...20.38315b5.htmlhttp://www.thedesertsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...UPDATE/70419014
gobatara
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Prime Time Ratings:
Thursday 4/26/07
The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)
-Total Viewers:
CBS: 16.02 million, ABC: 12.88, Fox: 7.24, NBC: 7.22, CW: 3.34
-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.2 rating/14 share, CBS: 4.8/13, NBC: 3.2/ 9, Fox: 2.6/ 7, CW: 1.3/ 4
----------
-Yesterday’s Winners:
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader (Fox), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
-Down, but Far From Out:
Survivor: Fiji (CBS), CSI (CBS)
-Honorable Mention:
Ugly Betty (ABC), The Office (NBC)
-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
30 Rock (NBC), Scrubs (NBC), Trading Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy (Fox)
----------
-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS kicked-off the May 2007 sweeps on a winning note, with CBS first in total viewers (3.14 million viewers above ABC), and the alphabet net No. 1 among adults 18-49. NBC and Fox shared the No. three and four spots (Fox was third in total viewers; NBC third among adults 18-49), followed by iffy The CW.
CBS’ Survivor: Fiji opened the evening on a winning note, with 13.82 million viewers and a 4.5 rating/13 share among adults 18-49. But one year earlier (and without Ugly Betty and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader in the competitive mix), Survivor: Panama averaged a considerably heftier 17.90 million viewers and a 5.9/18 in the demo, based on the final nationals. Fox’s Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader finished second in total viewers (9.99 million), and third among adults 18-49 (3.4/10). Comparably, take a look at the Jeff Foxworthy hosted game show versus two episodes of That ‘70s Show on the year-ago evening (April 27, 2006).
Fox/Thursday 8-9 p.m.
4/27/07 That ‘70s Show (two episodes)
Viewers: 4.98 million (#4), A18-49: 2.2/ 7 (#3)*
(based on the final nationals)
4/26/07 – Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader
Viewers: 9.99 million (#2), A18-49: 3.4/10 (#2)
Percent Change – Viewers: +101, A18-49: +55
Expect a renewal for next season any day now for Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader.
ABC’s competing Ugly Betty (Viewers: #3, 9.56 million; A18-49: #4, 3.1/ 9) remains a vast improvement over year-ago occupant American Inventor (Viewers: #3, 5.01 million; A18-49: #4, 1.6/ 5 on April 27, 2006, based on the final nationals). But the comedic Betty continues to lose steam as the season progresses. Has the novelty worn off?
Rounding off the 8 p.m. hour were NBC sitcoms My Name Is Earl (Viewers: #3, 7.56 million; A18-49: #2, 3.2/10) and The Office (Viewers: #4, 7.48 million; A18-49: #2t, 3.9/11), and Smallville on The CW (Viewers: #5, 3.93 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4). Growth for The Office out of My Name Is Earl of 22 percent among adults 18-49 is worth positive noting.
OUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHH
Source
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/57010384
Massena1
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:26 am
I thought Nemesis would go up some from Progeny. It had Clex in the trailers. Progeny didn't have any Clark in the promos and I thought it might have hurt it a bit. A renewed TW presence in the Nemesis promo I thought would help get people to watch since TW's been less present than usual in the episodes lately. Plus, the first episode after a hiatus normally suffers from people missing it because they don't know new episodes are airing. But, Nemesis' ratings tend to indicate people in the demos who watched last week, didn't bother to tune back in for this week much less draw in new viewers who missed out on Progeny bc they didn't know new episodes had returned. A new episode of The Office might have affected it some, but that much? Was anything really good on last night? I watched The Office and UB, and while both were good, neither of them were "special" episodes in any way.
Maybe SV will go up in the finals.
gobatara
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Breakdowns
Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 3.69 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
8:30 p.m. V: 4.18 million, A18-49: 1.6/ 4
Was "Nemesis" preempted ??? cuse if it was not this is kind of bad
Mauvely
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Damn.
What will the Clana fans say now?
liz antoinette
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:33 am
You have got to be shittin me. WTF is really going on. WOW.
ETA: I didn't hear anything about pre emptions for this episode gobatara
Massena1
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:35 am
If it was preempted, the finals would go down even more. They don't take the preemptions out of the fast nationals.
I can't recall the trailer that much. Was there anything in it that might have turned people off?
All I remember was Clark and Lex in the tunnels and Clark being injured. I can't remember what else they showed.
Chiriru
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Ouch!
You know I remember
BadToad bringing up the trailer last week (
Here is a copy on youtube of it) and the fact that it wasn't new. It's not. It starts out advertising Clexana, a save from S3, the Mortal fist fight -- now I personally don't mind these things but it gives NO new information about the show really. There is no visual imagery that says "This is cool! You've got to watch!"
I wonder how many people thought this week was a re-run. I mean, last week's had no Clark in the trailers (wasn't happy about that) and it did better; so I'm guessing either burn out on Clexana/reruns.
EllyF
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:44 am
I know I've said this before, but I really think "Promise" drove away a healthy chunk of the audience, and they haven't come back. This episode didn't have any excuses-- no long hiatus, no preemptions in major markets that I know of, and the Clana fans can't even blame it on AM's upper arms, because Chloe wasn't much of a factor in this one. I truly believe a chunk of the core audience walked after "Promise," and they're going to have to do something really dramatic to get it back. Killing off Lana might help, though. Heck, at this point maybe TPTP should consider paying HER to leave, rather than vice versa.
EllyF
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Double post. The boards are still wonky.
nzs
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:45 am
I can't recall the trailer that much. Was there anything in it that might have turned people off?
I can tell you what pissed me off in the trailer. The shot of Clark/Lana hugging/groping one another while Lex watched. The the sad/mopey shot of Clark when Lana goes to hug
her husband. But that's just me.
Mauvely
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Promise. I blame the Promise.
Bitterswete
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Ratings so confuse me. I know that, with pre-emptions, the final ratings go down from the fast nationals. But, without pre-emptions, couldn't the final rating national go either way, up or down, from the fast nationals?
Damn, I'm still trying to get a hang of this ratings thing. The confused mess above is just me asking if the final ratings could end up being higher.
I know I've said this before, but I really think "Promise" drove away a healthy chunk of the audience, and they haven't come back.
I agree with this whole-heartedly. I think that some viewers had been getting frustrated with SV for a long time, and "Promise" was just the straw that broke the camels back for them.
hodl2003
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:54 am
EllyF - I'd just about think the same thing. "Promise" turned me off to the point that I don't give a damn about what happens on the show. I'll hang around to see it through to the end, but I'm not anticipating episodes anymore - just going through the motions. I've contemplated taping the show and watching it when I feel like it vs. carving out time every Thursday.
Cyb
Apr 27, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Was last night's episode the first of sweeps? I used to think the final sweeps period of the regular season started in May but I read on another board that last night counted. What kind of numbers does SV usually do during its sweeps periods?
kimmyray
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
The confused mess above is just me asking if the final ratings could end up being higher.
Yes, the final ratings could end up being higher, since without preemptions there could be fluctuation up or down from the fast nationals to the final numbers. I wouldn't expect a boost of any more than 100,000 viewers or so though, if that, and it could also go down.
ETA: Yes, last night was the first night of sweeps.
EllyF
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
I've contemplated taping the show and watching it when I feel like it vs. carving out time every Thursday.
Ever since "Promise," this is what I do-- tape it and check the boards to see what people think before I watch the episode. I never watched "Promise" at all. I don't think I'm the only rabid SV fan out there who's moved into an "approach with caution" mode, unfortunately.
So is season 7 a lock? Or is there now a danger the show could be cancelled, and we could wind up stuck with a never-to-be-resolved cliffhanger?
gobatara
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
I have to say If you put in a trailer Laxana kissing and Clark dumb ass looking at, in the middle of a supposedly clex discussion.....what do you expect that will happen in that episode??? Lex and Clark talking about what?? 33.1, the meaning of life.....nooooo Lana , I don't know if that happened (I haven't watch the episode yet) but I see this trailer and *I* assumed that the clex conversation was going to be about Lana. If it wasn't about that okey but people would assumed it was about Lana and choose to skip seeing our future superhero and his future archenemy looking like dumb asses and fighting over Lana
Mauvely
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Elly, your game plan is much similar to mine.
Only I wait for it on YouTube.
carcassi
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
EllyF, count me in as someone else who lost a lot of interest in the show after "Promise." (In fact, I didn't even watch that episode, I was so disgusted by the endless Clexana trailers.) TPTB have twisted the characters around so many times now (especially Clark, whose back-and-forth with Lana is giving me whiplash), that it's hard to become involved in any of the story arcs. I still love Clark, Lex, and Chloe, but I'm determined not to watch any more gratuitous Clana (especially now that Lana is married).
I usually tape episodes too, and I'm looking forward to FF'ing through that Clana kiss. :)
Kahhhn
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
I really believe that PROMISE killed this show this year. If online fans can be a predictor of offline fans then the outrage and general anger over the episode probably caused people to abandon the show. Honestly the only hope of getting this show back to it's JUSTICE numbers is to do something startling...And what they have planned for the finale would be startling if it sticks. I actually think the numbers will go over 4 million...These are the fast track, which are usually based off of the previous finals, correct? So if that's the case then they will go up since the numbers would have been higher last week if there was no pre-emption. So I expect it to finish at 4.01 million....
The only good thing that can come out of this is that the CW smacks Al and Miles over the head and tells them to forget about an 8th season.
EllyF
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Honestly the only hope of getting this show back to it's JUSTICE numbers is to do something startling...And what they have planned for the finale would be startling if it sticks.
I agree.
Even if it wasn't voluntary on their parts, getting rid of KK entirely might be the only thing that will cause people to feel like it's safe to turn on their TV sets without the fear that Clana might resurrect itself without warning and lurch into the show at any time. Also, if they analyze the ratings and happen to notice that "Justice" was the highest-rated episode this year, perhaps they might think about actually doing action and adventure next year, and focusing on that instead of stupid triangles.
nzs
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
It might help also if they (TPTB) didn't do a 180 in the middle of the season and retcon a year's worth of episodes with it.
EllyF
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
It might help also if they didn't do a 180 in the middle of the season and retcon a year's worth of episodes with it.
And that's the problem, really. I don't like Clana anymore (didn't really have a problem with it when I watched the first few seasons), but I might have dealt with it better if the show had slowly built up to it and given me some warning. Instead, we were moving Clark along toward his destiny, and apparently away from Lana-- and then the show suddenly swerved off the road for an unexpected visit to Clanaville. There's little point in watching a show if the journey means nothing, and if every time the hero moves forward he might just be yanked backward again without any warning.
lilarose6
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
As to the question of preemptions, Supernatural had one. Syracuse preempted for baseball, so that means Smallville probably didn't air there either. That's the #79 market. It shouldn't make that much of a difference. Both shows lost Chicago last week, the #3 market, which is alarming considering the fact that numbers went down for fast nationals this week. As only the most casual observer of Smallville occasionally, it's no mystery why Smallville's numbers are down.
It's the insufferable Lana and Clark business. Smallville could solve all of its creative problems if they'd just get rid of her character. That's just my opinion, but if Clana turns off an outsider so much, I can imagine how it's alienating hard core fans.
Bitterswete
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
I have to say If you put in a trailer Laxana kissing and Clark dumb ass looking at, in the middle of a supposedly clex discussion.....what do you expect that will happen in that episode??? Lex and Clark talking about what?? 33.1, the meaning of life.....nooooo Lana , I don't know if that happened (I haven't watch the episode yet) but I see this trailer and *I* assumed that the clex conversation was going to be about Lana. If it wasn't about that okey but people would assumed it was about Lana and choose to skip seeing our future superhero and his future archenemy looking like dumb asses and fighting over Lana
That's pretty much what I thought this ep was going to be, Clark and Lex bickering over Lana. When Clark went down into the tunnels, I actually girded my loins (so to speak), preparing myself for exactly that, and just hoping we'd get a few good nuggets in between.
I was so happy that wasn't how it went. They did mention Lana but, while many would've preferred Lana not be mentioned at all, it wouldn't have made sense if one of them hadn't said
something about her at some point. But it was only the once, for which I was very happy.
Durq
Apr 27, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
I really believe that PROMISE killed this show this year. If online fans can be a predictor of offline fans then the outrage and general anger over the episode probably caused people to abandon the show.
It certainly had the opposite effect of "Justice", which buoyed ratings for the next few weeks. "Justice" had tremendous word of mouth - remember all the folks who turned up here afterwards, wanting to know when it would re-air because they missed it? "Justice" united fans; "Promise" polarized them and has left a toxic hangover.
The Clana fans are probably as unhappy about the ratings for "Nemesis" as we are: it was advertised as having a big Clana moment, the Slavkin/Swimmer interview and the Mediaweek review played up Lana's big role....and that may have led casual viewers to think it was another soap opera episode.
Kahhhn
Apr 27, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Well, from what I gathered from reading the forum over there at Pi Feedback, every show has nosedived on Thursday nights. Every show is taking a spring time hit. Greys is down almost 7 million viewers from Feb 22. Ugly Betty is falling fast (I knew this show was going to be a flash in the pan and it seems people are wising up that it's not all it's cracked up to be). Also 5th Grader is hurting a lot of the 8 o'clock shows. Not sure how much this show has been hurting Smallville but they have been hurt since that show moved to Thursday's at 8.
Oh apparently they all also thing George Bush sucks.. :)
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