booberella
Oct 20, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
Shows like Survivor are still unbelievably cheap to produce, though. I've been hearing that the budget for this year's SV is bigger, but most scripted shows experience an inflation in production costs the longer they're on the air. That was originally the problem with 7th Heaven -- it was really popular, but didn't make enough to cover the expanding costs of keeping its cast on the air. Which doesn't really explain why it was brought back from cancellation, but hey, I just work here. I don't ask where the money comes from.
carcassi
Oct 20, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
I agree with BadToad that, although there at least 10 theories for every 10 posters out there on why the ratings went down this week, the key take-home is: The ratings went down week-to-week, on an episode featuring an iconic DC superhero's introduction. This is the first time that's happened on SV (and it's interesting to note, it happened with GA, who, from all I've heard, is a much more popular hero than Aquaman). I'd be surprised if TPTB aren't asking themselves "why" right now.
From what I saw in "Wither," JH is a seriously hot actor, so it can't be that fans didn't like his looks. And as much as I'd like to blame Lexana (really!), I can't, b/c the CW's promos focused on GA and Lois. I think a lot of folks figured out that Clark wasn't going to be a big part of this episode, and I think a large chunk also knew (me included) that Chloe wasn't going to be getting much screentime, so they opted out. (I confess, I didn't watch b/c I knew it would be mostly GreenArrowville and there wouldn't be much Chloe. So far, I haven't watched my tape of this episode.)
nzs
Oct 20, 2006 @ 8:32 pm
I believe that historically EDLois-centric episodes have had lower ratings. Could that be a factor as well? Also this wasn't the first episode with JH. Maybe the episodes leading up to his official introduction as GA didn't peak viewers' curiousity enough.
PepSinger
Oct 20, 2006 @ 10:56 pm
I'm glad more people tuned in for The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. B/c all of those character stories were about them meeting Clark, and their interaction with him.
Not to mention Andrea from "Vengeance" since we recently found out that she is a comic book character, I believe. Granted, not as well known as the others, but still.
From what I saw in "Wither," JH is a seriously hot actor, so it can't be that fans didn't like his looks. And as much as I'd like to blame Lexana (really!), I can't, b/c the CW's promos focused on GA and Lois. I think a lot of folks figured out that Clark wasn't going to be a big part of this episode, and I think a large chunk also knew (me included) that Chloe wasn't going to be getting much screentime, so they opted out. (I confess, I didn't watch b/c I knew it would be mostly GreenArrowville and there wouldn't be much Chloe. So far, I haven't watched my tape of this episode.)
I agree. I think not having Chloe (who is considered a fan favorite) and Clark (the main character) not in the promo much, if at all, did not help the situation. And I don't think this show ever recovered from the fall between "Cyborg" and "Hypnotic", to be honest.
mobiusklein
Oct 20, 2006 @ 11:05 pm
Considering a lot of my flist has really gotten into Heroes, perhaps they switched to Heroes as their superhero fix show instead because it already has tons of heroes with lots of different powers with the bonus that it's new, has better budget and so far less writing problems and a clean slate regarding TPTB.
romantic idiot
Oct 21, 2006 @ 9:31 am
The only thing I can think of is tha Aqua came after Arrival, Mortal and Hidden, all three of which were good. This season, on the other hand, we've only had Zod which was decent - both Sneeze and Wither sucked. So that may also have had an impact on the ratings. *shrugs*
Anyway, like BadToad, I'm kinda happy actually - maybe now the PTB may decide to concentrate on the star of the show.
Chiriru
Oct 22, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
Okay, I get that SV had a 'tough night' - and that Aqua would of been a 'lucky break'... but I thought *both* Cyborg and Aqua brought in another million, reaching the 6 mark? (That people tuned in just for the hero.)
And they really advertized GA this week... and yet that extra DCU boost is gone? So are they just hanging around or are they not bothering? Because Cyborg seems to imply there is a group that watches just when other DCU people are on.
Or are we guessing that they are waiting for 6.11?
Tzigone
Oct 22, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
Well, are they advertising SV as much as they used to? If I didn't look for the information, I wouldn't know when it aired. I haven't seen any commercials for it on tv (I don't watch CW) at all this season. And I used to hear commercials on the radio on the way home, but not anymore.
Also, last week's ep was not good, and that contributes.
KSiteCraig500
Oct 22, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
What's odd is, I just looked at the KryptonSite archive for the overnights, and Cyborg was actually lower than the week before. So who knows.
Maybe African-American viewers who didn't normally watch the show tuned in. I was hoping the CW in general would help things diversify, but as we've seen so far this year, SV Season 6 is very, very white. But maybe they tuned in to see Cyborg.
PepSinger
Oct 24, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
Final ratingsAmerica's Next Top Model - 5.15 M
Gilmore Girls - 4.85
Smallville - 4.71 MFriday Night Smackdown - 4.67 M
Supernatural - 3.29 M
7th Heaven - 3.12 M
Girlfriends - 3.08 M
Everybody Hates Chris - 3.00 M
One Tree Hill - 2.97 M
All of Us - 2.83 M
The Game - 2.65 M
ANTM (enc) - 1.95 M
Smallville (enc) - 1.83 M
wrighty555
Oct 24, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
So a Smallville repeat got more viewers then Runaway...Nice job picking the new series there CW....And go Smallville with the 6.54 million viewers total for the week....i'm sure some of if not all of them might be repeat but I don't care...That means 6 and a half million people watched it this week..
KSiteCraig500
Oct 25, 2006 @ 11:22 am
I had a few friends who said they caught the Sunday repeat who hadn't seen it before.
This same week, running repeats on Sunday night also produced so-so results for Heroes, but they helped the ratings on Monday... maybe the same will happen for Smallville. I guess that depends on whether or not there's a World Series game or something.
Massena1
Oct 25, 2006 @ 1:25 pm
People have been wondering about CW coverage bc some cities didn't/don't get the network. According to this mediaweek article, The CW added the Honolulu affiliate and they are at 99.7% coverage of all US markets. Honolulu shouldn't affect the ratings, bc the population in these last few cities isn't very large, but this article was the first one to address what the coverage is currently so I thought people would be interested.
http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_di...t_id=1003287355What's odd is, I just looked at the KryptonSite archive for the overnights, and Cyborg was actually lower than the week before. So who knows. Maybe African-American viewers who didn't normally watch the show tuned in.
It is interesting that the overall viewer numbers went up much more than household ratings for Cyborg. It makes me wonder if people watched in groups to an unusual degree. Anyway one looks at it, "Cyborg" did amazingly well. It didn't have the publicity build up of "Aqua" and it went up MORE in week-to-week (800,000 viewers vs. 500,000 for Aqua) and year -to-year it went up almost a million. Plus it had tougher competition against ABC's Dancing with the Stars (which was doing much better than even Ugly Betty is doing now), Survivor (which was also then doing better than it is now), NBC's Olympics coverage, Fox's special presentation of Legally Blonde (which did better than Happy Hour ever has) and UPN's Everyone Hates Chris.
I sincerely don't get why "Cyborg" was never mentioned as a spin-off contender.
Tzigone
Oct 25, 2006 @ 1:34 pm
I sincerely don't get why "Cyborg" was never mentioned as a spin-off contender.
I'd have watched it (or at least tuned in to see if I liked it).
KSiteCraig500
Oct 25, 2006 @ 2:10 pm
As a comic book geek my issue with Cyborg as a spin-off character is that the Smallville version kind of destroyed what made his original character special.
In the comics, Victor Stone's life was saved by his father, who turned him into a cyborg to keep him alive... but the cyborg parts were visible and Victor felt like he looked like a monster. His humanity despite the cyborg "look" is what made him special.
Giving his origin to a Luthorcorp experiment and hiding it all inside made him more of the Six Million Dollar Teen. I know it's important for the WB/CW/whoever to have people that look good, but look at how hot Seven of Nine was.
Miss Dee
Oct 25, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
Well, to be fair, Craig, if all we'd seen of Jeri Ryan was silver mechanical limbs and an end-of-Terminator metal face, her hotness might not have driven up the Voyager numbers quite so much. :)
Trevacious Guy
Oct 25, 2006 @ 3:17 pm
Given Hollywood's penchant for remakes, you'd think they'd go with the proven concept. The Goughlar version of Cyborg worked just fine in the 70s, when they called him The Six Million Dollar Man. He even spawned a spinoff of his own, The Bionic Woman.
Good point about the loss of what made Cyborg the character he is at DC, though, Craig. By removing the visuals from his origin and leaving his good looks intact, they take a helluva lot of the angst away. If he needs cash, he can embark on a career as a male fashion model or the world's greatest construction worker, just for simple starters.
There are other issues he might angst over, I suppose. Aside from JLA meetings, he can't really play football anymore, and there're bound to be unusual maintenence issues with his machine parts. And catching a flight would be the biggest bitch ever!
Also, if he's not "fully functional," his woman might not stick around. But, he can pretty much blend in to society and nobody's gonna know he's a cyborg unless he chooses to reveal himself, or some accident strikes.
Over in the Marvelverse, if Ben Grimm had gained the strength of The Thing but hadn't changed in appearance, I'm sure he'd take it and be nearly as happy as Johnny, in his own gruff, understated way. Though, he might still wind up lonely like Clark, if he didn't think he had enough fine control to trust himself in a sexual situation with a normal human woman.
Of course, they could always bring up new issues for Cyborg, in a return visit to Smallville. What would happen if he got into a serious fight with aliens who might be as powerful as Clark? What if they turned heat vision loose on him? What if they have a Magneto-type among them? Vic could get seriously messed up. But he sure wouldn't want to go back to Luthorcorp.
He'd need a mechanic sidekick. Some kind of savant who can accomplish wonders with limited tools. This could necessitate a change in Cyborg's look to something more traditional, over time, as he gets himself damaged in the hero game.
KatieFlirth
Oct 27, 2006 @ 11:28 am
Fast Nationals, from
Zap2it.com.
FOX averaged a 9.4 rating/15 share in primetime to win the night (as with all live broadcasts, those numbers may change some in the final nationals). CBS was a solid second at 8.5/13, and ABC was not far behind at 8.1/13. NBC, which also featured repeats in two-thirds of its lineup, came in fourth with a 5.5/9. The CW drew a 2.5/4.
[...]
"Smallville" posted a 2.9/5 for The CW.
And from
Media Week.
The CW’s Smallville, meanwhile, held up at a 3.7/ 6 in the overnights, 4.79 million viewers and a 2.2/ 6 among adults 18-49. Comparably, Smallville matched its season highs in adults 18-34 and 18-49.
Smallville's still going strong.
wrighty555
Oct 27, 2006 @ 11:43 am
It finally seems to be rebounding a bit in the 18-49 brackets...That's good news..It means that the guys are finding it again...Here's hoping that next weeks mythos heavy episode draws the big ratings...
Massena1
Oct 27, 2006 @ 12:22 pm
The full quote from zap2it.com for people who like to keep track of how everything else did on the night and see season long trends.
Ugly Betty," 8.9/14, won the 8 p.m. hour for ABC. The World Series pre-game and the start of Game 4 scored an 8.1/13 for FOX. A "Survivor: Cook Islands" clip show on CBS was third in households at 7.7/12 but beat FOX by a small margin in total viewers. NBC went with reruns of "My Name Is Earl" and "The Office." "Smallville" posted a 2.9/5 for The CW.
CBS took the lead at 9 p.m. with a "CSI" rerun, 10.8/16. A tight World Series game between the St. Louis Cardinals and Detroit Tigers improved to 9.9/15 on FOX. A "Grey's Anatomy" repeat, 8.4/13, finished third for ABC, while NBC stayed in fourth with "Deal or No Deal," 7.0/10. "Supernatural" finished the night for The CW.
I expected a small increase in ratings bc Survivor was going with a clip show and MNiE/The Office were repeats so only ABC/FOX/CW had new programming on last night. I noted that despite the lack of competition, Ugly Betty didn't go up from last week while Smallville did almost 200,000 viewers. Those could be MNiE/The Office viewers who were not interested in Baseball and chose Smallville over Ugly Betty OR it occurred to me that they were DVR viewers who normally record and watch both ABC/NBC but with NBC (Earl/Office) in repeats they had room to record and watch Smallville and did so.
Omar G
Oct 27, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
Yeah, I'm concerned that UB doesn't seem to be showing much growth despite the word 'o mouth.
KSiteCraig500
Oct 27, 2006 @ 1:37 pm
BobbyM
Oct 27, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
I would have imagined that the shows on the CW would have increased ratings. Doesn't appear to be the case at all. What's going to keep the CW around if their ratings aren't a combination of the two older networks?
wrighty555
Oct 27, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
Versus The WB a year ago (10/27/05), The CW's Thursday is an improvement of 14% in men 18-34 and 11% in men 18-49, equaling its performance in adults 18-49.
This is the biggest thing that the CW looks at...If they are improving over last year's 18 -49 male demo then that is huge.
KSiteCraig500
Oct 27, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
Though I still don't think the CW should have cancelled
Everwood, the improvement could be that
Supernatural has more male appeal than that show did.
But hey, let's hope for the best!
In a sort of ratings related note... I was reading on The Futon Critic
a list of shows The CW has in development for next year. Nothing too exciting. Which bodes well for
Smallville, I'm pretty sure they're going to stick with it for a Year 7.
Massena1
Oct 27, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
wrighty - What Craig said. You have to read the press releases to separate out the spin. The CW used the entire WB night to compare demos bc Everwood didn't do well in male demos so their current line up would look better. They chose week-to-week to compare last night ratings bc the ratings last week were down so this week would look better. This week CBS and NBC conceded the night to baseball (thereby taking the normal #1 and #2 shows in young males out of the picture) so the CW was set up to do better bc there simply wasn't much else new on last night targeting young men other than the World Series and Smallville.
Omar - I would give Ugly Betty credit for stabilizing, but yes, the lack of growth isn't a good sign. However, Ugly Betty hasn't done any gimmicky/event episodes yet so it'll be interesting to see if Salma Hayek's appearance next week might perk up its ratings.
nzs
Oct 28, 2006 @ 7:23 pm
For a Canadian perspective, this is from the
Montreal Gazette:
TV Midterm Report Card
We all know tv schedules are subject to change. but this is getting ridiculous
Published: Saturday, October 28, 2006
TV got a lot smarter this fall - and a lot more complicated. A season that has given viewers something to think about has also been hard to follow, thanks to more changes than there are channels. A handful of expensive fall series got off to inauspicious starts, with the inevitable result: quick cancellation.
<snip>
THURSDAYS
Ugly Betty, the comedy of manners about superficiality and the fashion industry has struck a nerve with viewers tired of the same old same old: it's the second most-watched new series overall in the U.S., with an average 14 million viewers. Accurate numbers in Canada are harder to come by - Citytv is not available across the country the way CTV and CBC are - but BBM-Nielsen figures show that a recent episode drew 500,000 viewers in the Toronto/ Hamilton region. Those are impressive considering Betty airs directly opposite Survivor on Global and Grey's Anatomy on CTV, both of which are averaging more than two million viewers apiece.
CSI's figures this season are near astronomical. The crime procedural drew four million for CTV one recent week, making it far and away the most-watched scripted program on Canadian TV at the moment. In the U.S., it trails only Grey's Anatomy, with 21.5 million viewers to Grey's 23 million.
Shark, the new courtroom drama, is a bona fide hit, despite drawing fewer viewers than the show it replaced, Without a Trace, and despite losing eight million viewers - yes, you read that right - from its CBS lead-in, CSI. (Without a Trace, by the way, can now be seen Sundays on CBS, Mondays on Global.) A second season for Shark is a near certainty.
'Til Death, the new comedy starring Brad Garrett, will return after the baseball playoffs, but it has not performed as well as expected. And 'Til Death's companion comedy, Happy Hour, is officially "on hiatus," though there are indications that the hiatus might be permanent. Either way, the long-term futures of both series look iffy, at best.
My Name Is Earl and The Office are holding their own, despite stiff competition from Ugly Betty and Survivor. The 2006 Emmy for best comedy hasn't hurt The Office, while Earl has managed to hang onto the indie-film crowd.
Comings & goings: The youth ensemble drama The O.C. returns Nov. 2. With Smallville and Supernatural grabbing the youth crowd, however, it's doubtful whether The O.C. will be able to rewind the clock to 2003, when it was one of the most buzzworthy dramas on TV. And reports of ER's death have been greatly exaggerated. The venerable medical drama, now in its 13th season, has registered a ratings surge this season, both in Canada for CTV, where it is drawing more than two million viewers some weeks, and in the U.S. for NBC, where it is now that network's top-rated drama. Don't expect ER to disappear from the charts any time soon: NBC recently scuppered its plan to bench ER for 13 weeks this winter and air a new drama in its place.
<snip>
PepSinger
Oct 31, 2006 @ 11:28 pm
Final Ratings for "Reunion"1. America's Next Top Model - 5.45 M
2. Smallville - 4.79 M3. Gilmore Girls - 4.73 M
4. Friday Night Smackdown - 4.48 M
5. One Tree Hill - 3.67 M
6. Supernatural - 3.65 M
7. Veronica Mars - 3.33 M
8. Everybody Hates Chris - 3.19 M
9. 7th Heaven - 3.14 M
10. All of Us - 2.93 M
11. Girlfriends - 2.81 M
12. The Game - 2.84 M
KSiteCraig500
Nov 1, 2006 @ 4:08 am
Interesting... looks like The CW was up across the board from last week.
wrighty555
Nov 1, 2006 @ 10:57 am
This week should be telling...Baseball is over, and the CW have fixed almost all of their viewing issues..Hawaii now has the CW as of the 30th. I think that as long as the stories stay good and stay away from the Clark angst then the fans will find it again.
But that one dreaded plotline that's coming isn't going to help.
wrighty555
Nov 3, 2006 @ 11:30 am
Hey boss I'm going to double post since it's a couple days later..If you would rather I not, I'l change it back..
From mediaweek..
Third in the 8 p.m. hour was NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (6.3/10) and The Office (6.0/ 9), followed by the CW’s Smallville (3.5/ 5), and the low-rated return of Fox comedies ‘Til Death (3.3/ 5) and Happy Hour (2.5/ 4). As a benchmark, Smallville on the year-ago evening scored a heftier 4.2/ 6 on the WB, while former 8-9 p.m. Fox occupant The O.C. was also at a 4.2/ 6
Smallville had 4.93 million viewers which is up from 4.79 last week...
.
Massena1
Nov 3, 2006 @ 12:07 pm
Beginning with 8 p.m., the little ABC show that could, Ugly Betty, remained on the winning track with a 10.1 rating/15 share in the overnights (#1), 13.72 million viewers (#2) and a 4.4/11 among adults 18-49 (#2). Comparably, the last ABC series to generate any real interest in Thursday 8 p.m. time period was sitcom Mork & Mindy, and that was 25 years ago! CBS’ deadly-dull Survivor: Cook Islands is down, but far from out, with a 9.2/14 in the overnights (#2), 15.56 million viewers (#1) and a 5.5/14 among adults 18-49 (#1). Comparatively, Survivor: Guatemela on the year-ago evening (Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005) averaged a healthier 10.9/16 in the overnights, with 18.28 million viewers and a 6.6/17 among adults 18-49.
Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (Overnights: #3, 6.3/10; Viewers: #3, 9.57 million; A18-49: #2, 4.1/11) and The Office (Overnights: #3, 6.0/ 9; Viewers: #3, 8.87 million; A18-49: #3, 4.2/10), followed by the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #4, 3.5/ 5; Viewers: #4, 4.93 million; A18-49: #4, 2.1/ 5), and the low-rated return of Fox comedies ‘Til Death (Overnights: #5, 3.3/ 5; Viewers: #5, 4.31 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5) and Happy Hour (Overnights: #5, 2.5/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.18 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). As a benchmark, Smallville on the year-ago evening scored a heftier 4.2/ 6 in the overnights, 5.41 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 on the WB, while former 8-9 p.m. Fox occupant The O.C. was at a 4.2/ 6 in the overnights, 6.65 million viewers and a 3.0/ 8 among adults 18-49.
From Marc Berman at pifeedback.com
wrighty555
Nov 3, 2006 @ 12:17 pm
ETA---So you ask, and then I go through all this trouble and you end up finding it out on your own.... ;)
BadToad
Nov 3, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
I get the feeling that Smallville lost something post-Reckoning that its just not going to get back. Its doing OK, but I think this is pretty much what its going to be all season. And if thats the case, the CW may decide its not worth the high cost of the show. IMO
But ya know, that petty part of me wants to say....Clark-centric mythos episode out-ratings GreenArrowVille. Heh, suck on it. (I did say it was petty).
wrighty555
Nov 3, 2006 @ 12:39 pm
Well even though I think the show is setting the itself up to end in case they don't get renewed, I actually agree with what Radio said in the Fallout thread..This show is their tentpole show right now..They have nothing that comes close to it in terms of ratings for young men, besides Wrestling. I just think that the CW needs Smallville for one more year, when they pair it with STAR CITY... lol..
Omar G
Nov 3, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
That's honestly a lot better than I expected The O.C. to do.
Massena1
Nov 3, 2006 @ 1:01 pm
ETA---So you ask, and then I go through all this trouble and you end up finding it out on your own.... ;)
wrighty- Sorry, I have no patience. I end up doing stuff for myself all the time rather than waiting for someone to do it for me. But, viewed in a positive light, that's initiative, right? Also, wrighty, I know I've said this before, but your girlfriend? So, SO lucky. No joke.
But ya know, that petty part of me wants to say....Clark-centric mythos episode out-ratings GreenArrowVille. Heh, suck on it. (I did say it was petty).
BadToad - Actually, I think that's a completely legitimate take on the situation. This week had tougher competition than last week bc everything was original programming and the ratings went up in overall viewers and stayed almost the same as last week in 18-49. SV is down a lot from last year, but this episode was only 600,000 down yr-to-yr which all the other S6 episodes have been down 1 million or more yr-to-yr. Also, they beat Fox and I do wonder if they're not gloating a bit about that at the CW.
It is probably killing Fox execs a bit to basically be a non-entity on the most lucrative night of programming and come in behind the netlet. Ouch. But, I'm not sure they have any other choice. Their hit shows do well where they are and they're only likely to take a ratings hit if they put them on Thursday nights. The only show I could see them placing at Thursday 8 pm is 24. It'll be interesting to see what Fox does to respond to their bad ratings.
wrighty555
Nov 3, 2006 @ 1:13 pm
wrighty- Sorry, I have no patience. I end up doing stuff for myself all the time rather than waiting for someone to do it for me. But, viewed in a positive light, that's initiative, right? Also, wrighty, I know I've said this before, but your girlfriend? So, SO lucky. No joke.
AWWWWW..SHUCKSSS!!!!!! Thank you...And in about 3 weeks, she is going to be a very very happy GF.....So...SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That's honestly a lot better than I expected The O.C. to do.
Boss I think those
OC numbers are from last year when they were on Thursdays at 8..From what I remember reading they got crushed at 9 pm this year...
gobatara
Nov 3, 2006 @ 3:31 pm
It seems that Smallville is on it's way to be the show with more ratings this week in the CW
ANTM had 4.42 million viewers
wrighty555
Nov 3, 2006 @ 3:33 pm
Yeah Smallville seems to be gaining momentum..They got a blurb in this weeks EW magazine about new fresh additions to our favorite shows..They brought up Green Arrow..
If Smallville ends up being the most watched show on the network and since they have nothing to replace it, then the show is going nowhere..We'll get a 7th season.
Omar G
Nov 3, 2006 @ 3:44 pm
Whups, my bad. From the Hollywood Reporter:
Fox got awful numbers for the season premiere of "The OC" (3.4 million, 1.5/3). It was down 55% from the 7.5 million who watched last year's premiere on Sept. 8 and down 55% from its adults 18-49 premiere of a 3.3/10. It was down 41% from its 2005-06 season average of 5.7 million viewers and the 2.6/7 in the demo. NBC's "Deal or No Deal" (13.1 million, 4.6/11) was up compared to last week.
gobatara
Nov 3, 2006 @ 3:54 pm
Yeah Smallville seems to be gaining momentum..They got a blurb in this weeks EW magazine about new fresh additions to our favorite shows..They brought up Green Arrow..
If Smallville ends up being the most watched show on the network and since they have nothing to replace it, then the show is going nowhere..We'll get a 7th season.
So far
Smallville 4.93 millions
ANTM 4.42 million
Supernatural 4.12 million
Everybody Hates Chris 3.56 million
Girlfriends 3.12 million
All of Us 3.08 million
The Game 2.84 million
Veronica Mars 2.77 million
One Tree Hill 2.50 million (rep)
Gilmore Girls 2.23 millones (rep)
wrighty555
Nov 3, 2006 @ 4:01 pm
Why the big drop for ANTM? Was that a clip show or something?
Massena1
Nov 3, 2006 @ 4:09 pm
Yes, ANTM was a clip show.
I mean to comment on this earlier, but the drop for The OC was so dramatic, that I wonder if Fox won't feel compelled to do *something* in reaction. The CW flipped Monday and Sunday programming pretty quickly when they initialy tanked. NBC has also moved things around a bit. The least dramatic thing I could see Fox doing is at least flipping the OC and the comedies to see if they do better airing in that order. That way the comedies are up against dramas and the drama is up against different genres except for Smallville. Although Fox has been much slower to make changes than the other networks and I'm not sure why. They are still giving Happy Hour a chance so maybe they'll give the OC another week or so in the timeslot to see if it was a one time failure or if it will be creamed in that timeslot every week.
alexias
Nov 3, 2006 @ 4:47 pm
Supernatural 4.12 million
Where is this from, gobatara? All the links in the SN thread have it at around 3.38 million which, obviously yours is better.
Omar G
Nov 3, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
They already ordered fewer episodes this season of O.C. Would not surprise me if they outright cancelled it before the holidays if it performs like this. I bet reruns of Simpsons, Family Guy or House would do better.
luuke
Nov 3, 2006 @ 6:54 pm
i don´t know the exact episode number, but i´d guess that they´re trying to get over the magical 100 with the OC, if it´s even remotely realistic.. anyway, keeping in mind that they´re competing against Grey it was a suicide spot to begin with..
concerning Smallville I guess we will see a seventh season anyway, as long as nothing unexpected happens, because as many mentioned, it is one of the very backbones of the CW...
mlewis
Nov 3, 2006 @ 9:47 pm
The CW was apparently happy with the results of last night's show, ratings wise.
Happy for a network executive really means they’re disappointed. If they were really happy they would say they were excited.
gobatara
Nov 3, 2006 @ 10:25 pm
Where is this from, gobatara? All the links in the SN thread have it at around 3.38 million which, obviously yours is better
Yeah sorry you are right I get confuse with all those numbers sorry
Also in the 8 p.m. hour were NBC sitcoms My Name is Earl (Overnights: #3, 6.3/10; Viewers: #3, 9.57 million; A18-49: #2, 4.1/11) and The Office (Overnights: #3, 6.0/ 9; Viewers: #3, 8.87 million; A18-49: #3, 4.2/10),
followed by the CW’s Smallville (Overnights: #4, 3.5/ 5; Viewers: #4, 4.93 million; A18-49: #4, 2.1/ 5), and the low-rated return of Fox comedies ‘Til Death (Overnights: #5, 3.3/ 5; Viewers: #5, 4.31 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 5) and Happy Hour (Overnights: #5, 2.5/ 4; Viewers: #5, 3.18 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 3). As a benchmark, Smallville on the year-ago evening scored a heftier 4.2/ 6 in the overnights, 5.41 million viewers and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 on the WB, while former 8-9 p.m. Fox occupant The O.C. was at a 4.2/ 6 in the overnights, 6.65 million viewers and a 3.0/ 8 among adults 18-49.
As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals. Any prior results are based on the final nationals.
At 9 p.m., residents of upscale Orange County would be wise to get their bags packed. Season four of Fox’s The O.C. opened with a series-low 2.6/ 4 in the overnights (#4t), 3.38 million viewers (#4t) and a 1.5/ 3 among adults 18-49 (#4). Comparably,
the CW’s Supernatural performed at an almost identical 2.6/ 4 in the overnights (#4t), 3.38 million viewers (#4t) and a 1.4/ 3 among adults 18-49 (#5). While the CW can live with this performance, The O.C. sunk by alarming 50 percent in the overnights, 4.12 million viewers and 55 percent among adults 18-49 from its third-season premiere on Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005 (Overnights: 5.2/ 8; Viewers: 7.50 million; A18-49: 3.3/10 at 8 p.m.). Growth for The O.C. out of Happy Hour of only 4 percent in the overnights, 200,000 viewers and seven percent among adults 18-49 must mean that Mischa Barton is sorely missed. Chances are Fox will move The O.C. back to Thursday at 8 p.m
Source
Mediaweek.comRectification:
Smallville 4.93 millions
ANTM 4.42 million
Everybody Hates Chris 3.56 million
Supernatural 3.38 million
Girlfriends 3.12 million
All of Us 3.08 million
The Game 2.84 million
Veronica Mars 2.77 million
One Tree Hill 2.50 million (rep)
Gilmore Girls 2.23 millones (rep)
alexias
Nov 4, 2006 @ 1:32 am
Yeah sorry you are right I get confuse with all those numbers sorry
Heh. No worries. I just got excited there for a minute is all. I want SN to get above 4 million each week, but I guess the 75% or so retention out of Smallville is good enough.
I'm glad Smallville is on the upswing though.
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