Alas, apeygirl, posters on KSite say it turned out to be wrong-- it was last week's episode. No help for us in advance!

Pifeedback

Holy crap! That's so high I'm almost afraid it's a typo which should read 4.18 million.

Huh. Guess the CW should have gone with the Kara spin-off after all.

Hold on, isn't this the network that brought back 7th Heaven when everyone thought it was the finale and it got awesome ratings because of it?

Yeah. I bet soemone is trying to figure uot how to season 9 without TW and spin it like it's ICONIC and filled with DENSITY because of these numbers. They're want to bring back melrose place, I hear. I wouldn't put anything past them.

Oh and someone mentions they were both pre-empted for football on that link, so it might just be 4.18 in the end.

Deleted; November 15, 2008.

Thanks for the numbers, jwm!

After two strong plot-centric episodes, I'm not surprised the ratings went up for Bloodline, especially since it featured Kara's return and the PZ. "Prey" and "Identity" were the only episodes I've actually watched this season, and that's why I recorded "Bloodline" for future viewing.

The reports of nonstop Clois-pimping killed my interest in watching my recording, though. I like Kara, but not that much. :P

Of course the ratings have gone up. The show's been rebooted and retconned. Clark is all 'Supermanly', he has big muscles, he looks like he has a cape flowing behind him. He's protective and proactive, who cares that he has the ethics of a weasel -- no, scratch that -- the ethics of a self-protective weasel? All that has been forgotten. He never did anything to hurt Lex Luthor, it was the other way around. Clark is a sweetheart, and he'd never hurt anyone unless they deserved it, so Lex must have deserved it. He was Born Evil. Nothing that happened the last seven years ever happened.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/11/...-smallville.php

Here's a link to an article that says that "Legion" is going to air on November 27th. That would be Thanksgiving night. Take this with a grain of salt because I just don't see the CW airing a Smallville episode that night, especially when "Legion" was supposed to air after the holiday break. There are some minor spoilers in the article as well.

Also, it's worth noting that on KSite, the airdate is unknown for "Legion" while all of the episodes following it are scheduled for 2009. Maybe there is a chance that this episode does air prior to the holiday break.

I am not really thrilled about the rating, I mean by this time we had already crossed the 5 millions last season ..... and the lightswitches this season make me sick .........

Finals are out. We dropped, but still got season highs:

Smallville
- 4.459 million viewers
- 2.7/4 HH
- 1.9/5 A18-49
- 1.9/6 A18-34

How can you go wrong with a super-powered Lois?

So, with the numbers so consistently strong and the end of the Graysons, I think Season 9 is a lock.

Well if there is a season 9, maybe they will stop destroying Lois and write her properly... if Superman and ILL is the end-game, then they both deserve a better storyline and a proper arc. Destroying the characters doesn't help one bit. IMHO, I think the ratings went up because of Kara and Faora, and also because the past two episodes were pretty good, storyline-wise. SV can deliver good episodes, they are just not good with doing a season-long-story-arc. Don't they have a person in charge of continuity? If not, I'll volunteer to be one for season 8 and 9. Ok, kiddin', I only hope the ratings drop if it means a season 9. But if they are set on this being the last season, then I hope the ratings stay this high, because the actors deserve to have the show ending on a high note. If SV delivered consistent storylines, I think the ratings would be much much higher (and by consistent, I mean saying that Lois is a super!Reporter at the beginning and developing her as a super!Reporter throughout the rest of the season, and so on). YMMV

To the Lois thread!

Thankfully, TW's signature for a ninth season isn't set in stone. I don't know about anyone else, but my fingers are crossed he never signs for one more year.

Dawn Ostroff: Hey let's recast TW!
PS3: YAY!

Not if they can't get TW to resign. The ratings at this point don't aren't going to matter much if they can't get the lead actor to resign for another year.

I hope not. My own personal feelings are that the show has been on far too long already. There is nothing in this show for me, personally, since Lex left. To add another season of Lex being blamed for everything that goes wrong in the Smallville universe, without even the minimal Lex POV I got when he was actually around to say a few words every other week or so, would not please me at all. I have Tess, as one of Lex's mouthpieces, for now. But then there is Ollie, running in and out of the Mansion, and no one has killed him yet, though I keep hoping. The only thing I have to look forward to is Doomsday killing Clark, and my pathetic hope that Ollie might be killed.

So, I hope there isn't a Season Nine, unless it is a spinoff in which Lex, Tess and Doomsday are the major characters, and they fight evil aliens like Superman and Green Arrow. That I'd watch.

I don't think the ratings for SV are that great. I watch shows with higher ratings and the future for these shows is insecure.

I'm happy for the the actors, especially TW and AM, and the series that the ratings were good for "Bloodline", although this episode wasn't the best IMO. It's also good to see the ratings at least staying withing a certain range. I still believe that S8 is the end of the series for reasons I've explained elsewhere, and I'm not betting anything that S9 is a lock just because of this season's ratings. If they do a S9 without Tom, I feel it would be disastrous for what the series was supposed to have been as a whole. YMMV.

The fast overnight ratings have been posted at Media Week for "Abyss":



Slightly down than last week ("Bloodline" = 4.46million viewers) but not much to be considered a decline or free-fall.

When an episode pimps Chimmy over Doomsday and Brainiac people will tune out. Jimmy Olsen isn't riveting TV. He's a fucking joke whose presence is usually accompanied by a shitty version of Chloe, it's a no-brainer. People will tune out.

And it was prempted in New York for the Jets game.

Smallville didn't air last night in my section of the world due to football, so that has to be taken into account as well.

If the promo monkeys had run better scenes like the reshoot of Vessel or the fortress being reconstructed...but they highlighted Jimmy Olsen and made it look like Sleeper, Part Two. Not a good idea. Take into account last week pimped Kara and the PZ and that there was football pre-empting in New York, I don't think an 80,000 person drop is that surprising.

Hell, if they had pimped the Doomsday/Chloe kiss, that would have garnered ratings too.

Poorly, poorly promoted.

Bloodline was preempted in Denver and the finals dropped to 4.46 from the 4.8 overnights number. I wouldn't be surprised if Abyss finals are lower too.

That's what I did, and I *knew* from spoilers I read here that there would be a lot of Chlark in this ep. My stomach was too weak for me to risk slogging through more disgusting Chimmy to get to the good stuff. (Especially after all the egregious Clois pimpage, courtesy of Kara, last week.)

I've recorded the episode, and I'm still considering whether to watch. I probably will, b/c from the reviews it sounds as if there was some awesome Chlark/Chloom/Brainiac action--but you certainly wouldn't have known it from the promos. :/

I don't get why they wouldn't pimp the Fortress going back up. I thought they were trying to pimp the mythos stuff this year. The Fortress being rebuilt seems like an odd thing to overlook in favor of dancing Chimmy.

It's just shady. The CW didn't even give us en extended trailer nor a director's cut for the episode. Yet here comes bride and we get both in less than twenty-four hours after Abyss aired.

Anything to pimp CNois. That's such utter crap.

Someone posted this over at K-site.

final ratings for "Abyss"

Smallville
- 3.556 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.4/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

Ouch!

That really sucks. Since those geniuses are the ones who pimped Chimmy in the promo and since Chimmy is so loathed, I'm not even surprised. Sleeper was so loathed that no one ever wanted to repeat that experience. But the stupid network will probably see the need for more Nois then.

I am not surprised, the idea of Chimmy and taking away Chloe´s memories,specially when it comes to Clark´s secrets will never amuse anyone, I still regret I watched it!

LOL, I hope next week this crap of a show goes all the way down below the 3 mln. mark. For what they did to Chloe, Chlark and my brain this week I will never forgive them.

May I point out that the episode did not air in some places? For instance in NY it did not air because of the NY Jets/New England Patriots game. So that should be taken into account too. But yeah, I am sure the producers will go "See? *all* fans want more ICONIC Nois, the ratings prove that!"

Are the ratings for Supernatural correct? According to Wikipedia the ratings were:
Link here.
I have never seen Supernatural do better than Smallville (despite the fact that it is a far far more superior show than Smallville IMO), so I am guessing the ratings are probably wrong? God, the day that SPN does better ratings-wise than SV, I will throw a party, just to celebrate that.

I think that this is a typo. At all websites that post ratings SV is higher than SPN (futoncritic: 2.7/4 vs. 2.5/4). I know that ratings don't translate 1:1 to viewers, however, I don't think that it is possible to have less viewers but still get a higher household rating and keep the same household share. Correct me if I am wrong.

I guess there won't be a party this weekend - that's what we have in SPN boards:

Overnights from piefeedback

Thursday night football will probably eat into finals again.

Half-hour breakdown

Whoa! Supernatural is doing great.

Huh, so the show DID need more Lana.

Or The Beast, erm, "Doomsday" might have helped too!

IDK. It really depends on how much of the 4.77 was actually watching the Steelers. SV lost a huge 800,000 to the NY game last week but a more modest 350,000 or so to Denver the week before. I think Pittsburgh is a bigger market than Denver so I'll be surprised if finals were able to beat 4.3 million. Anything between 4.2 and 4.3 million would put Bride in 4th place out of the ten episodes we've seen so far in same day viewers.

They'll lose some football numbers in the finals too. (e.g. 2.94 million finals vs 3.91 overnights last week)

Great numbers thanks to the progression of Clois, the return of Lana and Doomsday's appearance. And a very nice recovery from last week's low ratings (which is what you get when you concentrate on Chloe).

Did you know the lowest ratings of the ENTIRE SERIES were for a Nois centric episode? I guess not.



People who live in glass houses....

However, I will agree that Lana and Dooms were the saviors last night. They put an end to the Chimmy and Cnois crap. I kept willing them to show up and said outloud "GO LANA!" when she complained to Clark about mindwiping Chloe and I cheered again for Dooms breaking up that BS wedding.

Considering Chloe was the eponymous "Bride" here, and her run-in with Dooms was highly publicized, I'd say Chloe contributed at least as much to the ratings this week as anyone else. I know I tuned in to see her. :)

Still, the ratings were lower than I'd expected, and I think that jwm is right that Thursday night football is eating into ratings. "Abyss" had it the worst, since it lost the entire NYC market (and who knows how many other Giants fans?) last week, but obviously "Bride" suffered, too.

And still the CW promos force-feed the Nois shite. God. Are they too stupid to know better or they just don't care on a show that's dying. Either way the best episodes of the season are the 4 coming up with Lana that she's not in as far as I'm concerned.

We'll need to see how finals shake out. Football tends to take a pretty hefty chunk out of the ratings. But I'd attribute any success this one had to the fact that we finally saw Doomie in the bony flesh, since he is after all one of the absolute biggest Supes villains. I know that was pretty much what got me to turn in... not to mention seeing Chlark dance together, which was featured in the longer trailer:-).

Personally?

I missed Lana.

Sweet wonderful Lana with her secreths and lieths and Lana-Fu. Sweet wonderful Lana who'll come back and make every conversation about her. Sweet, sweet Lana who actually has a history and context for her feelings for Clark. Miss Kreuk, I'm sorry for whatever I said before. Please stay and save us from Nois!

Actually, I was intrigued to see Doomsday in person myself, but having Lana back and have her interrupt Cnois Fest '08 was a pretty nice ratings draw too.

There also isn't any positive/negative correlation between eps she is in vs ones she isn't in. Sometimes ratings fall when shes in an ep sometimes they don't. Crimson which was heavily promoed as the beginning of the epic romance fell half a million from Labyrinth. I still stand by my original position on this argument. The people on the show are better equipped to analyze ratings than I am. They had the option to not resign AM and pick up Erica for the full year using the money from AM's contract. That they didn't tells me that whether or not I personally think Chloe is ratings tanker/drawer is immaterial. The showrunners don't seem to think she is a ratings tanker.



These still aren't final numbers. Word is there was an issue with Neilson's so finals won't be out until Monday. They're going to drop at least some and probably in line percentage wise with the drop that "Abyss" suffered from football. I say percentage wise because New York is 6 times larger market wise than Pittsburgh is so it was almost a given that this weeks ratings were going to be higher.

From the spoilers thread:



I suppose that's what TPTB will do anyway. And aren't we used to a damn long second hiatus during the back half of the season ? Just so the CW can get through sweeps without running out of fresh episodes.

Bride finals



Doesn't look like Lana delivered.

Still, it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

With pre-emptions, that's pretty strong.

That's 4.2 and I don't think they are including the NY market which aired the episode on Saturday. It no doubt probably would have been much closer to the fast nationals without the pre-emptions.

The trick for Smallville will be, how well does it do when it comes back. They always have a drop off in the second half of the season.

Bride was preempted in the NY market (as in NYC)? That's news to me. I know it was preempted in Pittsburgh but their market is similar in size to Denver and despite the Denver's preemption of Bloodline it was still able to garner more overnight viewers than any other episode so far this season.

If Bride wasn't shown in more markets than just Pittsburgh (like NY) 4.2 would be pretty good.