And, I missed this tidbit of info along the way. Cool...I'll preorder just like I did last year. As for the last half of the season, it's worse than the let down after Reckoning.

There are the fan documentary's and Kevin Smith's commentary as of now. I'm buying the set just for Kevin Smith's commentary. I think that's going to be hilarious.

Hmmm...that depends. What's the hoyay quotient on "Arrow"? Either way though, I bet he's going to be on his best behavior. I'm sure he won't be allowed to curse, and aren't Denny O'Neil and Judd Winick also going to be on the commentary? I bet they'll be letting O'Neill do most of the talking. Not only is he a comic book legend, but he and Neal Adams are the creators that made Green Arrow the interesting character that he is instead of the lame Batman knock off that he was. It's a shame Smallville decided to go the Batman knock off route.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to the "Justice" commentary at all. The thing I like about commentaries is that it gives me an insider perspective, and behind the scenes sort of glimpse into what went in to making an episode. Bringing in a bunch of comic books guys won't do that. I'd be much more excited if the "Justice" commentary had Justin, Kyle, Alan and Lee doing it (TW is just a pipedream at this point).

Other then the commentaries, the only extras that generally interest me are gag reels (also a pipedream) and deleted scenes.

But regardless of ratings (topic), or my overall feelings about the season, I know I'll be buying S6 to keep the set complete.

BadToad, we don't know which episode it's for yet.

The Justice and Doom episodes and the Oliver Queen Chronicles will also be featured on the DVD set.

Ratings are lagging and I don't see the CW picking up their promotions game. I saw VM and it had a GG series finale ad. One. It was pretty short and not very imaginative. The only point to distinguish it from a regular promo was that it announced the episode as the "series finale."

It was piss poor, imo. It looked like it got no attention at all. They could have used scenes from the pilot or from over the seasons to play up the long duration of the show. They could have given the finale a name like an event like the WB did with "Aqua" or even the uber illogical "Smallville: After the Prom" for "Spirit." People expect these gimmicks now to indicate something major is going to happen. On a similar note, I think they should do the same thing for the S6 finale. Hyperbole the heck out of it.

The WB's "Everything you've waited to see....will happen" was darn brilliant marketing for S5. The CW could really use some of that marketing skill. Seems like people are interested to find out what Chloe's power is. And the rumors about a "death" are obviously being pushed along a bit now for the finale. It would make sense to hype the heck out of them to me.
Example:
"A new enemy appears"
"A new friend returns"
"Secrets will be shared"
"Powers will be Revealed"
"Lies will be uncovered"
"Betrayals will be confronted"
"and someone will die"
"and it's not who you think...."

"Don't miss the episode that will change everything in Smallville FOREVER."

I actually don't think they'll hype the finale that much. If they were going to, I think the CW would already be pimping it out as an event by now.

I understand what your saying Massena. But first, SV was a WB show not a UPN show. So I don't think they care about it as much. And second, I'm not sure CW could come up with as good of marketing promos/slogans as you did. Actually, I'd be a little afraid of what they would come up with.
Ex. "Someone everyone loves will buy the farm" (sorry, I'm not good at coming up with these things)

Wow, crazy how the show keeps falling. From pifeedback.

Also:

Those numbers are season 4 bad!!!

They are actually WORSE. Hee. This season deserves the ratings it's getting. Season 7 should definitely be the last season now, thank God.

Ha ha ha!! Absolutely delightful! Crash and burn SV: (From Pifeedback)


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Celler-dweller--I love it. Piss off SV. That's what you get for sacrificing Chloe for Nois, lobotomizing Lex, and I won't even start on what you've done to degenerate Clark. Here's hoping for your continued decline!

Considering they only advertised Clexana in the trailer with one shot of Lois you really can't say its Lois's fault. For people that arent online and dont read spoilers all they knew was that the episode was going to be about Clexana yet again and they probably didnt want to see that.

Do we really have to try and peg the ratings decline on one particular area of suck? From where I'm sitting, there's plenty of suck to go around. There's just not a lot there that's enjoyable anymore, and I think that's probably true no matter what characters you are a fan of.

So, we have lower numbers than last week (not sure I'm reading/remembering correctly)? Whoa. Think people will tune in for the finale? It'd be a sad, sad thing if the finale was the lowest rated of the season. Doubt that'll happen, though.

Well, hopefully they'll decide that S7 is the last and go into it with that mindset and give us something worth watching next season.

Word!! Crash and burn baby. Nois, the General's Daughter with her Groupie (and not much else) sure does make for interesting viewing with Clexana. *rolls eyes*

Haw! Haw! [/Nelson]

They managed to piss all their fans. Even Lana fans.

Holy shit! Like, I thought it would be low because the boards went silent after last week. A lot of people are able to log on, and the groups I watch knew (through me) that it was a big Clexana and ED episode and didn't watch.

But THAT low? THAT low?

So SDK's written the season high and the season low. Lex was evil in both. One had good Chloe, one had side lined Chloe. One had good Clark, one had cheater Clark. One had girlfriend EDLo, one had SuperReporter!!11EDLo. One had the JLA, one had none. Now I'd take out a mill easy for the JLA, and go down to the Progeny levels for the Clexana.....

But holy. shit.

WOW. I just.

WOW. I can't believe it. I really can't believe it. That's like, the worst ever, by a lot, isn't it? I just. WOW.

NOW, can we stop blaming the pre-emption/weather/seasonal/whatever reason for the decline in viewing and say it's Clexana, lack of emphasis on the superstuff, making Clark a guest star in his own show, bad writing and a ton of other stuff that's clearly the show? Thank you!

Actually I CAN see the finale getting lower ratings. As much as people snark about how pitifully small in number internet denizens are, I would like to point out that if NBC sure as heck doesn't think so (points to all the wonderful extras on their site like actual commentaries by 3 actors at a time of the episodes & the web comic). Even sp, I can't imagine anybody has baited breath over who wins the right to bang the Lang. I will EVEN go as far to say that if S7's premiere will probably be in the 3 millions.

Steady, Chiriru........I need your insight to help me to understand what's going on out in Kansas these days.

What does 2.2/4 mean? If I read correctly, it's the number listed at http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratin...-news-headlines as a fast national, but I can't figure out if it's an 18-49 or a total or what. I'm thinking 1.3 is the 18-49?

There's still one more episode to go.

Spin that, Goughlar! If things keep going this way, SPN will outrank SV next season.

Quite. Even Chlarkers, who've had a lot to be happy about this year, are starting to gripe about the deteriorating relationship between Chloe and Clark (not to mention the conspicuous absence of a Chlark kiss). And Clana fans can't be terribly invested at this point, since the general consensus is that KK is leaving.
What I'm wondering is why on earth they're continuing to plug Clexana. Granted that they can't do much about the CONTENT of the season finale at this point, but why advertise the soap opera-like aspects of it, rather than the action? Are they still oblivious to what the viewers want despite the ratings? If so, I hope they figure it out over the summer and fix it. Much more of this and there won't be ANY viewers left.



I get the impression that Supernatural was really low, too, especially considering it was the first part of the season finale. But that is likely related to SV's slide-- people aren't tuning in for SV, and then they forget to tune in for SPN. The real pity here is that SV is apparently safe and will almost certainly be renewed, but SPN isn't that secure, based on what I've read. It would be terrible if by ruining SV this season, TPTB managed to get a superior show cancelled just because it has the misfortune of following SV:-(.

I can't believe the ratings are getting blamed on Lois. Its obvious that its Clexana and CLana. Thats all that gets shown really in the trailers now, even the finale trailer. I mean it was a Lex heavy episode with him being evil that still doesnt mean that its Lex's fault. Its the stupid triangle.

That's the household rating/share. 2.2% of households in the US watched the show, which was 4% of households watching TV at the time. 1.3 is the rating in adults 18-49.

Thanks kimmyray - maybe one day I'll learn to understand all this stuff.

Supernatural looks to be okay. They're showing it twice a week all summer long, so it seems as if its coming back at least. Whew. And yeah, considering that Smallvilles ratings were so low, Supernatural didn't really have much of a chance to get stellar ratings, espacially since the Smallville ratings are normally the Supernatural ratings. Weird. Very very weird.

Well, other shows have had a ratings slump. Even critically acclaimed shows like Ugly Betty and Heroes.

Last night, SPN was its lowest or second-lowest of the season (depending on finals). It doesn't appear that SV's slide has hurt SPN that much - the difference between the episodes airing after Justice and Noir was less than 300,000 viewers, despite SV's huge slide of about 1.7 million. Sure, it would help if SV could deliver some extra viewers to SPN, but I don't think its decline is deeply hurting SPN - I think the killer 9 p.m. competition is doing that quite nicely already.

And, on the plus side, SPN's viewer retention of SV has been awesome lately.

*waves to kimmy*

But the trend is lower and lower and lower and noticeably started with the Clexana explosion in Promise and just went cliffdiving from there on. If the ratings went down but were steady after an initial drop, maybe . . . not this kind of trend.

And honestly, I'd love to see how SV would do against CSI (which had Lady Heather last night and I nearly watched that instead of SPN) and Grey's Anatomy

Is that for real?

Wow.
But, really, am I surprised? They've absolutely killed the storyline, made the hero a jackbutt, brought Chloe down in order to lightswitch a character most don't really care for, victimized Lana (who has been so much , and...did I mentioned, killed the storyline?



Out of touch with the fans seems to be the only answer I can come up with.

I usually don't root for low ratings for a show I watch. It just doesn't sit well with me. However, I can't be upset by these. I just can't. The Goughlar are quoted, all the way back in S3 (I think?) that the further they stray from Clark as the center of the show, the more problems they have. So, why did they forget this?

Honestly, going into the finale, just how much of this is really about Clark Kent? Almost none of it, IMO. Some tenuous connection to a Phantom, a storyline that was allowed to be off screen so long it more or less petered out. Ditto for MM who is supposed to make a short appearance. Thats it. And its so thin, it could put the Olson twins to shame.

Basically, in the 2nd half of the season, they've made Clark's main storyline being worried about Lana (Trespass, Promise, Noir, Prototype), when he's not worried about Chloe (Freak, Progeny), when he's not worried about Lois (Prototype). And all that is well and good, but thats pretty much ALL he's been doing. Aside from Nemesis, and maybe Combat. And even Combat they made uncomfortably about Lana.

And lets not even discuss the amount of time he's spending off screen.

Lex's storyline deserves screentime, build up and explanation. Its important, b/c in a significant way, it defines Clark as well. Or it should. But all the rest of this tripe, particularly the Lana stuff? This MORONIC love triangle? The Chloe is a freak shit? Lois being dropped in and out of the storyline with incredible sloppiness and very, very little care? Its just bad. Worse, its boring and annoying.

I watch Smallville, and Supernatural, weekly with my sister and after last night? Both of us were intensely disinterested (sorry, didn't care for SPN last night either).

AlMiles have, IMO, completely lost track on what the main point of this show should be. They're in the ballpark with Lex, at least. But with Clark? I'm not even sure they remember who he is, and who he is supposed to be. My impression is that they couldn't be less interested in writing for Clark.

Also, with it looking like Martha is leaving? I think the show is going to take a hit from that. Even if Martha was completely misused this season, I do believe that the Kent family had strong appeal for some viewers, especially those that watch with younger children. Now Clark has no family at all? But he's going to run the farm himself? Awful, awful idea from the brain of show creators who never seem to run out of awful, awful ideas.

I posted this on the CW Source thread for "Noir". I still think it's pretty accurate.

I'm surprised they didn't just text message Clark's scenes like they did with Lex in season 4.

Wow, I guess even having a guest star from Battlestar Galactica didn't help.

They're going to need to come up with a really good campaign and a action-packed premiere to lure people back for S7.

The entire second half of the season could have been told in emails that Clark sends Chloe and Martha telling tem about his wonderful advetures with the Justice League. Meanwhile, on screen, it's a lot of Lana being bathed in angelic light with James Blunt playing in the background and Lex licking her feet.

Yeah, me too.

I would be more worried about SV's decline if the other shows weren't also setting season lows on other networks. They really need to do something to get people talking about this show again. If they follow through with that one BIG spoiler then they need to advertise the hell out of it during the summer. People need to start talking about this show again.

I'm just glad that this will kill any talk of an 8th season.

The problem is that the send-off is utterly wretched. Why dine at the restaurant when the meal is not only wretched but the last course dessert (which often saves meals, bTW) is a scorched, warmed-over leftover and the managers are unapologetic?

Doesn't that happen always?? you know that ED appeared like a half second on the trailer and BAMMM is her foult that the ratings went donw....I am telling you she is the cause of global warming

Hey, the opinion that people tuned out partially because of Lois is perfectly valid. It's certainly one of the reasons I tuned out. Not the only one (horrid Clexana, disinterest in the direction of the show in general, and no Chloe mentions in the spoilers contributed), but Lois getting the Luthor-experiments storyline is one of the major reasons I chose not to watch.

Her body is so hot it melts the ice caps.

Yeah but outside the net did you really knew it was going to be a Lois heavy episode???

What's happening right now is not systematic of any one episode focusing on any one character. It's a show content problem, and a TV problem. Blaming this on Lois is ridiculous. I mean if we do that then we have to blame NEMESIS on Clark and Lex right?

I don't know anything outside the net. I don't get CW and there haven't been radio promos (that I've heard - but I only listen the car, and my hours have changed) in ages. I don't read magazines or watch entertainment shows. Every spoiler, every tv guide description, every promo, the director's cuts - everything I get on Smallville, I get from the net. If it sounds good, then I watch the ep.

I'm up for that. I'm sick of the references back to their friendship and how poor Lex was betrayed by Clark not trusting him. Tired of it. Want them to be full-blown enemies. Was very ticked at Clark's "my friend" and all that crap. Not to mention how pathetic the rift being so much about Lana is.

Personally, I don't think showing Lois (a character that is not even present in all the episodes) has anything to do with the low ratings. To me, the show has been lacking in the writing department ever since the crapfest "Promise" aired. I know a lot of people were turned off by that episode, not to mention the heavy promotion of Clana/Clexana drama in every freaking trailer/radio ad following "Promise".

At this point I don't think anyone can say "outside the net" too much; board chatter was pretty much nil around here for the past week and the ratings went down a TON.

It's not 1993. The internet is not a rare bubble that only campuses have access to anymore. There is reasons why grey's has a writers blog. Reasons why NBC puts Office and Heroes extras online. Reasons why when trying to build an audience, shows are now streaming online. There are reasons why so many shows from SV to Nip/Tuck have myspace features. It's not a bubble.



I don't know, especially after Fallout brought the point home. I think the other thing here though is that even when we do get Clark, he's not really all that rootable.



Or on Lana and SDK's Scifi interview that told everyone the plot for the rest of the season was Lana and her baby. (And yes I do think that's a factor.)

I tuned out because it was going to be a Nois heavy episode (I can handle the nauseating Clexana by ignoring it.) And based on reviews, I'm glad I did. It was a double dose of bad. I'm glad I didn't have to suffer thru that dreck.

The ratings are horrible. And I'm not sorry about it in the least. I consider it justice. They have delivered a pathetic season and they deserve bad ratings. If they were treating Chloe, my favorite character, well, then I'd feel bad about it, but since they're not, I feel vindicated that they aren't being rewarded for it. I won't even go into what they are doing to Clark and Lex because the character assassination there is too tiresome to go into. They got great ratings for Justice with less hype than Reckoning or Promise. More recently, their 18-34 demos went up for Progeny and I felt they deserved that bump and if they had done a better job of advertising the episode and if they hadn't been preempted, I think they might have done even better. As for everything else, my sentiments run from indifferent to hostile about what they've been presenting as a storyline. Maybe they'll get a clue and do a dramatic turnaround next season. I will dare to dream.

Maybe it's time to bring back the "Smallville fatigue" theory.

But yes, even good, popular, much-beloved shows have been dipping toward the end of this season.

Yes, the trailer. When you use the words "Clark", "Lana" and "Obession" in the same sentence, it's not exactly a ratings grab.