Racj82
Dec 30, 2005 @ 1:52 am
Personally, I haven't really enjoyed the way marriage as been portrayed on television for along time. On television today, people who are married seem to hate each other, argue all the time, and never make love. At this rate I may never get married. For me though, I just wish so many marriages on television weren't so one dimensional. On "King of Queens", you would think the couple on that show hated each other. On "Everyone Love Raymond",their always mean to each other. That goes Ray and Debra and his parents. On "Friends", Monica made fun of Chandler at every oppurtunity and Im supposed to believe it's just friendly ribbing and they really love each other through all the verbal barbs? This is just my feeling on the subject. I'm curious what your thoughts on the portrayal of marriage on television is and what are some of your favorite and least favorite television marriages.
sweet cheeks
Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:14 am
Oh, you've just touched a good point. I hate the way marriaged are being portrayed on TV. IMO it has a lot to do with the genre the show belongs to. You've given some good examples, and what King Of Queens, Everyone Loved Raymond and Friends have in common is that they're comedy sitcoms, therefore the married couples start making jokes of each other - sometimes brutally - and the audience just finds it funny and doesn't always stop to think how unhealthy this is. And in dramas, every married couple has to go through the world's biggest problems, like cheating on each other, a divorce, etc.
The only married couple on TV that I absolutely adore is Kirsten&Sandy from The OC. In S1 they were just perfect, sometimes fighting but not in an ugly way, even their fights were cute. And even though they've been married for over 20 years, they're still romantic and lovely. In S2, as a part of The OC Slump, the writers tried to test their marriage in a pretty unrealistic way, by bringing Sandy's ex girlfriend from the past and blah blah blah, but I'm grateful that at least they went through this and stayed together, 'cause seriously, I'm so tired of seeing so many divorced and dysfunctional couples on TV.
murphsully
Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:32 am
This is going back many, many years, but I love the relationship between Caroline and Charles Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie.
last minute
Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:12 am
I thought Helen and Will from Joan of Arcadia had a pretty good tv marriage. They fought from time to time, and a couple of them got a bit ugly, but overall there was a good balance. They could be so cute together. They loved each other and their kids and were equal partners in the relationship. It wasn't a perfect marriage, but it was far more realistic than most that you see on tv.
candynecklace
Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:19 am
But KoQ and ELR didn't start out that way. I also really disliked the way the couples eventually became on those shows-I've been calling it "The Deborah Barone Syndrome."
A similar show (that gets no forum posts for some reason) is "Still Standing" which is really kind of good. It's in the genre of "heavy husband, attractive wife" but so far it's escaped the "DB Syndrome." The couple are actually loving and fun with each other. If anything, they kind of mock out their kids.
YoungAtHeart
Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:33 am
ITA about the Ingalls. The actors worked well together. The Waltons is another good example. Both generations. You never see couples like that on TV any more. Loving, caring, able to tease each other but not be mean. Sigh. I feel like I'm dating myself.
blodwedd
Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:38 am
Ok, who do we appeal to to get the title of this thread spelled properly?
ETA - yay! thanks!
prairiegirl
Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:40 am
Young at heart and murphsully are right. LHOTP and the Waltons are great examples of actual parents working together and loving each other. So many times, the dad is treated as a bozo and mom as bossy and controlling-"Rosanne" leaps to mind-they were for the most part, good parents, but there was little doubt as to who was in charge, IMHO.
dorabelle
Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:11 pm
The only married couple on TV that I absolutely adore is Kirsten&Sandy from The OC. In S1 they were just perfect, sometimes fighting but not in an ugly way, even their fights were cute. And even though they've been married for over 20 years, they're still romantic and lovely. In S2, as a part of The OC Slump, the writers tried to test their marriage in a pretty unrealistic way, by bringing Sandy's ex girlfriend from the past and blah blah blah, but I'm grateful that at least they went through this and stayed together, 'cause seriously, I'm so tired of seeing so many divorced and unfunctional couples on TV.
I love Sandy and Kirsten too, but I think the writers have really lost sight of them, both in S2 and S3. They spent a great deal of time leading up to Kirsten's alcohol problem, then, boom! she goes into rehab, comes out, and perfect husband Sandy doesn't even seem to listen when she makes half-hearted remarks about feeling useless, bored, and at loose ends. The only time I remember her alcoholism being adressed between the two was when Kirsten and Julie were going to hold a charity event and Sandy asked her if she was going to be OK with alcohol being served.
I think one of the problems with portraying marriage on-screen is the perception that 'happy' couples are boring. Bringing in outlandish plots about returning ex-girlfriends and whatnot is kind of self-defeating, IMO, because so often it doesn't address what might realistically be going on in a marriage that would make those exes so attractive at any particular time. Of course, endlessly talk talk talking about relationships is boring to me in its own way, which is one of the reasons I loathed
Thirtysomething's Michael and Hope.
jessicajason
Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:47 pm
What about Paul & Jamie Buchman on Mad About You? They had a very realistic marriage, I thought. They bickered sometimes, but were generally very loving, and well suited for one another.
IseutLaBrune
Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:58 pm
I think it's interesting that the Buchman's seemed to have more serious arguments in the first season, when they were newlyweds. Then things mellowed, and then of course after a few years they had more serious problems leading to a near breakup.
When I got married, I really appreciated that portrayal, because usually newlyweds are depicted as having a perfect, happy, romantic life. I found that being a newlywed, while nice a lot of the time, was also kind of scary. You've just made a huge, lifelong decision, and anything that goes wrong during those first few months seems magnified to a frightening degree. MAY was one of the only shows I've seen that wasn't afraid to show that.
I like that Lynette and Tom on Desperate Housewives still obviously care about each other and are still hot for each other, despite the multiple kids and multiple problems, and the fact that Lynette is kind of an asshole a lot of the time.
LilWharveyGal
Dec 30, 2005 @ 1:00 pm
I always really liked Nancy and Dr. Mike on Ed. You saw them deal with real-life things like in-laws, career vs. family issues, and the loss of their home in a pretty normal way. They had their spats but you could tell they were a loving couple.
It may be too soon to say (God only knows what the flashbacks have in store) but for the moment I adore Bernard and Rose on Lost.
sweet cheeks
Dec 30, 2005 @ 1:02 pm
I love Sandy and Kirsten too, but I think the writers have really lost sight of them, both in S2 and S3.
I agree, although I just see it as one of so many defects that
The OC has (don't get me started). But IMO they're still a couple that worths mention.
Oh, and what about Al and Peggy Bundy from
Married With Children? Worst. Married. Couple. Ever. The way they were behaving towards each other was just sickening. And the way the husband always said out loud how much he suffered from touching his wife (in front of the kids)... I couldn't watch. I've always found it sad, not funny.
labprincess
Dec 30, 2005 @ 1:06 pm
There are a couple examples of marriage from ST: DS9 (yes, I was totally obsessed with that show) that I actually like:
Everything they showed about Ben Sisko's marriage to his first wife Jennifer (who died) indicated that they had a solid marriage and that he adored her. In the last season, when he marries Kasidy Yates, their relationship also seems supportive and loving.
Miles & Keiko O'Brien: They seemed to fight alot, but always made up by the end of the episode, and it was clear that they loved eachother. When Keiko wanted to go to Bajor to join a team that was studying plant species on the planet, Miles wasn't thrilled about it; but he supported her decison because he knew she was bored on the station and wanted to use her skills as a botanist.
In an episode where Bashir and O'Brien are trapped on a deserted planet and presumed dead, Bashir comments on how he was really looking forward to a party that night because there were going to be beautiful women there. "Not that it would matter to you, because you're married," (or something like that) he says to O'Brien, who replies: "I'm married but I'm not blind! I can still look!" "As long as you don't let your wife see you look," Julian scoffs. He tells Miles that alot of "career officers" think that marriage will hold them back, and they'll miss out on all the "adventure" in Starfleet.
But Miles gives him a lengthy response in support of marriage, concluding that it's the greatest adventure there is, because it's one that you take together.
ETA: Yup, Harrison Fjord, we're talking about the same episode. That's a great one.
And there was an episode I loved where Keiko had gotten back from a long trip, so Miles made an effort to spend time with her, after he had been hanging out with Julian. She finally told him it was ok if he wanted to go play with his "friend." (winkwink, nudgenudge)
Harrison Fjord
Dec 30, 2005 @ 1:11 pm
I love Keiko and Miles. I know a lot of people think Keiko is a shrew, but she really was a good match for Miles. Not many women would be as... understanding... of his relationship with Julian, winkwink, nudgenudge.
But in all seriousness, I think their finest moment as a married couple came in the episode where Miles & Julian were helping the aliens of the week disarm a bunch of technobabble weapons. When everyone on DS9 thinks they're dead and that it's Miles' fault, Keiko keeps insisting that something is wrong about the security video, and finally manages to convince Sisko that the video is a fake and Miles is alive because he's drinking coffee at the wrong time of day, one of those details that "only a wife would notice". Then, when Miles safely returns to the station, she tells him about it and he flatly contradicts her, saying, "I always have a cup at that time. You know that." Funny stuff.
ladyrott
Dec 30, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
I like the way Emily and Richard are portrayed on Gilmore Girls....at least as far as their marriage goes. They have fights, but they still love one another. She gets mad when his nose is buried in the paper and she is trying to talk to him...he teases her. It's nice.
Brahmsian
Dec 30, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
Have you ever watched Medium, Racj82? You'd love Allison and Joe I think. They're almost always more entertaining than the show's mystery of the week.
Actinolite
Dec 30, 2005 @ 2:57 pm
I like the way Emily and Richard are portrayed on Gilmore Girls....at least as far as their marriage goes.
I enjoyed their midlife breakup-and-get-back-together, too. Seemed very naturally done. On the same show, although not seen together nearly enough, Babette and Morey have always seemed to have a very good marriage.
LlamaSpank
Dec 30, 2005 @ 3:02 pm
I always thought Gillian and Peter from Judging Amy portrayed marriage well, especially with going through adoption and their marital issues later on. They have fights but obviously care about each other, and the marriage is shown as evolving as each of them changes. Usually TV doesn't show the way people change and how it changes a marriage.
The less nasty ribbing doesn't bother me; my husband and I rib each other all the time, but it isn't malicious. I think some couples are like that, it depends how they were raised, and both our families do the same thing.
dustylil
Dec 30, 2005 @ 3:22 pm
Among current shows I like Hal and Lois on Malcolm in the Middle they are very flawed individuals and inept as parents but they are devoted to one another.
Going back almost fifty years to the dark ages, I always liked Ward and June Cleaver of Leave It To Beaver. There appeared to be a genuine fondness for one another there that transcended there overly watchful interest in Wally and Beaver.
SheenieB
Dec 30, 2005 @ 4:35 pm
Oh, and what about Al and Peggy Bundy from Married With Children? Worst. Married. Couple. Ever. The way they were behaving towards each other was just sickening. And the way the husband always said out loud how much he suffered from touching his wife (in front of the kids)... I couldn't watch. I've always found it sad, not funny.
Although they were the worst, wasn't that one of the points of the show? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Married With Children supposed to be the anti "lovey dovey, husband and wife" marriages that were portrayed on sitcoms at the time (i.e. Growing Pains, the Cosby's). Eventhough they were both mean to each other, I do remember at the end of one episode when Al said "I married the prettiest girl in school," or something to that effect. They had their moments. On a sidenote, I did like how MIC showcased, though in a funny way, that marriage isn't all that great sometimes, and shit that you don't expect happens. I'm probably reading too much into it, but here's Al, a guy that was a star football player in high school who married his h.s. sweetheart. Sounds like a recipe for happiness, but in the end, he's miserable, his football career never takes off and he's stuck being a shoe salesman with messed up kids and a lazy wife. That's why I thought that the Al and Peg marriage was interesting because it was the anti happily ever after that most tv show marriages are used to portraying. :Gets off soapbox.:
VersesBatman
Dec 30, 2005 @ 4:40 pm
I always thought Married With Children was a satire myself.
Tim and Jill on Home Improvement bothered me. Tim would tell humiliating stories about Jill on his show, she would get mad, he'd apologize and then in the next ep, he'd do the same thing.
I honestly don't know if I could stay with a man like Tim.
va32h
Dec 30, 2005 @ 5:30 pm
What about Paul & Jamie Buchman on Mad About You? They had a very realistic marriage, I thought. They bickered sometimes, but were generally very loving, and well suited for one another.
Now see, I was going to cite Paul & Jamie as a couple that I really loathed! It might just be a side effect of my very strong dislike for Helen Hunt and her character. But I always thought Jamie was right in the thick of that "shrewish wife constantly making fun of, browbeating, and acting superior to her pussywhipped husband" genre.
I remember being just disgusted at the episodes when Paul & Jamie were both tempted to cheat - she jumped all over Paul for admitting he was attracted to another woman, but totally dismissed the fact that she had kissed some guy.
Rozinante
Dec 30, 2005 @ 5:36 pm
I don't watch a lot of fictional television, but it seems to me that many times a marriage is introduced to a program simply to be a vehicle for adultery or divorce or death later in the series.
People are already talking about the end of Warrick and Tina's marriage on CSI. I hope it doesn't happen. I would like to see just ONE couple in Las Vegas that is happily married and NOT cheating on each other.
labprincess
Dec 30, 2005 @ 6:12 pm
A TV marriage that annoys me is Sean and Julia on Nip/Tuck. I wish they would just decide to either end it or get back together for good, instead of going back and forth all the time. But I guess that would take away from the drama of the show.
Julia keeps secrets from him; that Christian is actually Matt's father, and it would seem there's something wrong with her current pregnancy that she's not telling him about. She complains about how her life sucks and blames it on having to give up on her dreams for him, but then quits medical school once she's had the opportunity to go back. She flushes Annie's hamster and lets Matt have sex with his Neo-Nazi girlfriend in her apartment, while she's in the kitchen cooking dinner. Oh, and she starts dating Quentin, an arrogant ass who turns out to be the Carver.
Sean is a borderline alcoholic (imo, anyway) who works all the time. He makes a pass at Grace Santiago, then has an affair with a patient; and while he and Julia are separated, he starts dating Kimber. And parades her around at an event at Annie's school, obviously to upset Julia. He kicks her out of the house and she has to move to a crappy apartment. He almost strangles her when he finds out the truth about Matt. He hits Matt, who takes out a restraining order against him, bringing social services into the whole mess.
Their kids are either f'ed up beyond help, or clearly headed down that road. Matt has only had a few scenes this season where he was actually tolerable; poor little Annie disappears for episodes at a time, and has to spend Christmas at Epcot with a friend's family. And then there's that horrid, wretched Princess Menses episode. *shudder*
No wonder I take such a dim view of marriage ;)
Eliot
Dec 30, 2005 @ 7:18 pm
I think what annoys me about most TV married couples more than anything is the way husbands are always portrayed as if they were clueless children, and wives are the voice of reason who mothers and disciplines the entire famly.
Personally, I don't want children at all. And I certainly don't want to marry one.
moosepants
Dec 30, 2005 @ 7:28 pm
I have always like Hal and Lois as well. They would do anything for each other despite all arguments they have.
MetropolisGal
Dec 30, 2005 @ 9:56 pm
One marriage that I grew to hate was "Dharma and Greg". At first I thought it was a cute show about complete opposites getting together, and as a comedy, I didn't take it too seriously.
But then, Dharma starts taking adult-ed classes, and she ends up kissing her teacher (played by Kevin Sorbo), and she can't understand why her husband, Greg, is PISSED OFF. And then she kisses the guy AGAIN, and she acts like Greg is being evil because he can't trust her and is seriously considering a divorce!
And I'm watching this - and I'm single, mind you - and I'm like, you're fucking cheating on your husband, you dumb bimbo! YES, kissing other people is cheating! He's absolutely right to be pissed! And I stopped watching the show, because, if it had been an episode where Greg kissed another woman, they'd have been in divorce court three episodes later.
I don't like episodes on old shows where the woman is advised to "suck it up" if she catches her husband with another woman, and I don't like it in modern shows when women do the same thing to men.
pinkmoon
Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:40 pm
Have you ever watched Medium, Racj82? You'd love Allison and Joe I think. They're almost always more entertaining than the show's mystery of the week.
I so agree with this! I wouldn't bother at all with Medium if it wasn't for their relationship. I love how, you know, they have sex, are supportive of each other and how the writers aren't afraid of making Joe a jerk sometimes. Very realistic.
Rychard
Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:36 pm
Worst TV marriage ever? Graham and Patty Chase, Angela's parents on My So-Called Life. Patty Chase's attitude alone would send any rational man into the arms of Hallie Lowenthal.
Pretty awesome marriage? Hal and Lois We-Have-No-Last-Name.
Best Marriage We Never Saw: Rose and Charlie on The Golden Girls.
Racj82
Dec 31, 2005 @ 10:59 am
Yes, I do watch Medium. I have to admit I do love the Allison/Joe marriage. I was getting a little leary for awhile because Joe's attitude towards Allison and her gift was getting a bit repetitive and annoying but I like the place that the marriage is in right now. I dont think all marriage's on television are bad but there are just too many. Also, Im glad someone stated another one of my pet peeves. The fact that so many husbands on television are made out to be idiots or mindeless dolts that can't control themselves around women. It's just so annoying to see as a man. Third, I wanted to show some love for the Mike/Nancy marriage on ED. That marriage had it's problems but they always worked through it. Plus, Nancy made a fair share of mistakes to be worked out too which I liked. The episode where Mike's online flirting comes out is my favorite epsiode featuring them. Just seeing how they worked things out and how hurt and scared Mike felt just thinking that Nancy might not trust him anymore or that he could cheat on her just pulls at my heart strings.
alocin
Dec 31, 2005 @ 1:11 pm
What bothers me is that in some genres, say the soap opera, marriage becomes so easily throw-away. The minute you get married, you start looking at somebody else in that special way, after the big build up to the wedding, it just seems wrong.
I too loathe the marriages between the stupid husband and controlling wife, it just doesn't seem real. Yes, there are controlling women out there, but that's usually just a coping mechanism with the stuff they have on their plate. A woman who wants so much out of her life would never have chosen an idiot for a husband in the first place, she would have picked a man she thought she could share the burdens with surely?
One of the better marriages on t.v. was Tom and Barbara Good in 'The Good Life' - I think you call it 'Good Neighbours' or something like that in America. You wondered what they were thinking (no, what Tom was thinking) when they decided to go self-sufficient, but you could see that they loved each other dearly, they had a strong personal chemistry and that they made a good team so when things went wrong, like they couldn't get the harvest in on time or something like that, they met it together and overcame the challenges they were faced with, they moved beyond their disagreements. You would have to have a strong marriage to even attempt what they attempted together, its just too much risk, too much work and too insecure in their old age other-wise.
The couple that suit separation the best are Jack Bristow and Irina Derevko on 'Alias' - now they are dangerous. I have lost count of the number of times that Jack has sworn to kill the woman who betrayed him and spied on him, but despite all the betrayal, mistrust, misunderstanding and downright violence in that relationship, you don't question that they love their daughter and would do anything for Sydney and that somewhere deep down, they really love each other. I think what makes it interesting is that they are the possible path to redemption for each other, obviously Irina more than Jack because she's the terrorist after all, but Jack's one damaged and dark human being too. They kind of remind each other of how much they have to work at being better whilst still making a surprisingly good team. There's a surprising amount of mutual respect there, both as people and professionally knowing what they are both capable of, they never underestimate the other one and do consult each other on the major decisions made relating to the Rambaldi/daughters situation but also know that sometimes its safer not to tell all. Its a genuinely remarkable relationship and wouldn't be nearly as good as it is without the two actors playing those parts.
MsGail61
Dec 31, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
I like the marriage on The Ghost Whisperer. Of course, it helps that they're newlyweds and still hot for each other. He also seems easily accepting of her "gift" and doesn't get in the way.
Brahmsian
Jan 1, 2006 @ 2:44 pm
I've only watched the premiere of Ghost Whisperer, and part of the reason I haven't watched since is the way that marriage seems to be such a ripoff/pale imitation of Allison/Joe.
The main reason, to be fair, was that the show's concept and execution were too schmaltzy for my taste, but the newlyweds didn't help.
Queen C
Jan 2, 2006 @ 4:38 am
Since the movies are old and constantly on tv, I think they can be mentioned in this category:
I love the relationship of Nick and Nora in the Thin Man movies. They come across as happy and really caring.
lobster02
Jan 2, 2006 @ 5:35 am
I agree with those who are in the Sandy and Kirsten S1 bandwagon. They genuinely suited each other, amidst the bickers.
I don't like how Frank and Marie just trash talked each other in Everybody Loves Raymond, I can only think of one sweet and romantic moment between them (when he was wiping off her face cream). Are all old couples really like that? My grandparents aren't exactly all lovey dovey 24/7, but they don't trash talk either. I also don't like how Deb's character has bitched it up in the later seasons. Robert and Aimy's marriage was my favorite in that show. Like I had any other choice.
Even though they don't appear in much episodes, I love Jack and Judy Geller's marriage on Friends. They're still hot n' heavy after all that time. But if I was Monica, after seeing their sex tape, catching a "live show" in the bathroom, and getting caught in the act by her dad (followed by sex advice), I wouldn't want to see much of them either.
Rinaldo
Jan 2, 2006 @ 8:10 am
Mostly agreement with names already named: the parents on Joan of Arcadia for a give-and-take, humanly imperfect but very healthy marriage; Medium for the most believable depiction (ever) of the daily little problems and irritations of marriage and dealing with them in stride (being late, dumping childcare on the other at the last minute) plus handling a potentially divisive issue in a plausibly adult way (as a scientist he'll never be comfortable with her paranormal gifts, but he'll always be supportive of her).
I liked the Buchmans in the early seasons, when they were realistically going through early-marriage stages, and handling them not perfectly but well. Then the writers descended to Sitcom Formula Hell (have 'em both tempted to stray; give 'em a baby), and I can't stick with them any more.
A name that hasn't been mentioned yet: Rob and Laura Petrie. Partly because I remember what most sitcom marriages were like when The Dick Van Dyke Show came on, they really stood out with their ability to handle life's little annoyances and their unspoken little sparkle of attraction (twin beds notwithstanding!).
pengbear
Jan 2, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
I love the relationship of Nick and Nora in the Thin Man movies. They come across as happy and really caring.
I love Nick and Nora, too. They're just so comfortable with each other, and neither one is condescending to the other.
I hate the marriage in I Love Lucy. Lucy is treated like a child, while Ricky is pretty much allowed to do as he pleased. To be fair, Lucy also acted like a child, so I'd probably treat her like a 4 year old if I were married to her too.
So I'm glad women are portrayed as strong and independent now, but I don't like that it's usually because the male has been neutered - like Roseanne. A good marriage is a balance, and I think a lot of current TV shows have a manipulative, shrewish wife, and a clueless, happy-go-lucky man. (Everybody Loves Raymond, According to Jim)
But another couple that seems to have a good marriage is the couple on Hope & Faith (Shut UP! It's because Kelly Ripa is so skinny, I can't tear myself away from counting her ribs!). They seem realistic to me.
Kosher Redneck
Jan 2, 2006 @ 8:03 pm
I love the relationship of Nick and Nora in the Thin Man movies. They come across as happy and really caring.
I think their entire relationship is built around pouring each other drinks and then pouring each other into bed. Because they ARE loving and charming but, man, Prohibition wasn't raining on
their parade, was it?
Rychard
Jan 2, 2006 @ 8:22 pm
I hate the marriage in I Love Lucy. Lucy is treated like a child, while Ricky is pretty much allowed to do as he pleased. To be fair, Lucy also acted like a child, so I'd probably treat her like a 4 year old if I were married to her too.
Isn't it HILARIOUS when Ricky bends Lucy over his knee and spanks her for her wrong-doings???
edited because spoilers and quotes aren't the same thing
TheSmell
Jan 2, 2006 @ 9:45 pm
[quote]A name that hasn't been mentioned yet: Rob and Laura Petrie.[quote]
Finally! I didn't think anyone was going to mention them. When I look at tv marriages today, it makes me want to cringe. The husbands are stupid and the wives are shrews. The Petries were completely likeable and realistic. They argued, but you knew they still loved each other, and there wasn't a hint of the obvious hate current tv couples have for one another. Rob and Laura were portrayed as equals while still maintaining the husband-as-breadwinner image.
And you knew they were bootknockin'. A lot.
aisela
Jan 3, 2006 @ 4:20 am
I always liked the relationship, then marriage, of Rick and Lily on Once and Again. Being remarried w/kids myself I related to their "issues" and thought the writers managed to capture the hotness of new marriage - even between 40-somethings - the frustration of dealing with ex-spouses, and the challenges of a yours and mine family. I still miss that show.
I like the couple of Medium, too, though I don't watch the show very often.
I also loved the relationship between James and Florida Evans on Good Times.
To put a bit of a twist on the topic, how do you think reality TV marriages - Jessica and Nick, Ozzie and Sharon, Whitney & Bobby, et al fare as realistic portrayals of marriage?
hutch
Jan 3, 2006 @ 7:56 am
I thought Ozzie and Sharon really loved eachother and Joyce and Uchenna (sp) on The Amazing Race came off really well. To go back to fictional marriages, my all time favorite is on the English sitcom As Time Goes By, Lionel and Jean were an older couple who really loved eachother and treated eachother with respect and affection. I like the couple on Medium:they seem more realistic than most TV couples. I also liked Roseanne and Dan (until the last horrible season). She may have been in control but there was no question about their affection and liking for each other. Its rare and enjoyable to see representations of marriages where the couples seem to really like and trust eachother.
Boton
Jan 3, 2006 @ 9:58 am
I think Ozzie and Sharon are so comfortable with each other that the presence of a camera or two doesn't even faze them. Therefore, I tend to think that what we saw on the Osbornes was pretty realistic, and I respect both of them for having their particular niche in both the marriage and the "Ozzie Osborne" brand.
I think the presence of cameras was one of about four thousand reasons the Nick and Jessica marriage broke up. That first year of marriage is terrifying, and about the last thing I would have wanted is to have mine filmed.
MyopiaGirl
Feb 19, 2008 @ 1:14 am
Yes, I was reading threads from two years ago...I was bored! Anyway, I was thinking about how on just about any crime/medical show, if there are characters who start off married to people not in their profession, they'll end up having marital trouble and usually getting divorced--for example ER had Mark Green start off married but that didn't last too long. I was surprised when on SVU they got Elliot and Kathy back together since I was sure for years they'd figure out a way to get rid of her, either through divorce or tragic death.
I always figured this was partly because the writers wanted more fodder for incestuous workplace relationships and the like. And since a main character having a spouse who's mostly offscreen kills potential for workplace hookups and also it's difficult to write in the spouse, who doesn't work there. I can think of very few examples of characters in this type of show who marry someone outside the police force/hospital etc. and stay that way!
HotBlooded
Feb 19, 2008 @ 5:04 am
Rob and Laura Petrie
How undeniably wrong is it that when I saw that I immediately went to the Arcadia episode of The X-Files where they were undercover as a married couple and there names were Rob and Laura Petrie? Oy.
Topic: Back when I still watched it, I always liked how Gilmore Girls portrayed Richard and Emily. They weren't constantly in danger of breaking up, though there was one big blowout where they separated. They actually seemed like what I would imagine a married couple would be like after 35+ years of marriage. They were relatively stable with a few big fights. They accepted each other's flaws and worked to get past their fights, rather than just giving up because they had a fight.
Mermaid Under
Feb 19, 2008 @ 7:51 am
I hate the marriage in I Love Lucy. Lucy is treated like a child, while Ricky is pretty much allowed to do as he pleased. To be fair, Lucy also acted like a child, so I'd probably treat her like a 4 year old if I were married to her too.
Can anyone think of any other shows where a couple that was married in real life played a married couple on TV?
I know all of the
I Love Lucy shows by heart, and of course there have been half a dozen non-fiction pieces about Lucille Ball and the place this show has in TV history. The reports are that the Arnaz's real life marriage was far more tumultuous than their sterotypical 50s TV marriage.
Having said that, I just rewatched the end of the episode where Lucy tells Ricky she is expecting. After much sitcom hijinks, she finally gets to tell him she is pregnant at the night club. He sings a corny love song about babies to her - in the last seconds the camera catches the real emotion of two people who genuinely love each other, and who are overjoyed about the pregnancy. It is unbelievably touching, for a show that didn't really didn't have any serious moments.
And, now that the strike is over, back to your regularly scheduled forum.
henrysmom
Feb 19, 2008 @ 9:26 am
To chime in with some agreements of way back comments. I was also very upset with the disintigration of the Dharma and Greg marriage. For a "free spirit" who refused to use "judging labels" Dharma really could be a twit at times. I know the whole Kevin Sorbo thing was just an effort to win Jenna Elfman an Emmy, but really, the writers could have done better with that. If I had been Greg, I would have chased down my old fiancee and gone for it.
The Good Life--the old British sitcom about the couple that gives up their comfortable life to become self-sufficient. Love, love, love this show. Great married couple. I was a little shocked when I saw interviews with the cast, including one with Richard Brier, who played Tom. And he pointed out that Tom was really incredibly selfish. After all, it was <his> dream to be self-sufficient, not his wife's. But she went along with it because she loved him. I thought about that for awhile and decided that yes, it was a bit selfish of him, but it wasn't as if he forced her into it. He came up with the idea, asked her about it, they discussed it, she thought about it, then she agreed to try it. If only real life marriages were so balanced and equal. I might be married myself.
Luther Heggs
Feb 19, 2008 @ 10:52 am
Can anyone think of any other shows where a couple that was married in real life played a married couple on TV?
Ozzie & Harriet, but none recently.
PRgal
Feb 19, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Ozzie & Harriet, but none recently.
I agree with you, Luther Heggs. Television couples today are almost always dysfunctional! Maybe it's a way of reflecting our society?