I did a search and didn't see anything, so here goes. This show comes on WE twice a week and profiles three or four women dealing with some "secret shame". Last night they focused on women addicted to plastic surgery.

One woman was once married to a famous Hollywood actor and now looks like the cat lady.

One woman had a gastric bypass and surgery to remove the loose skin and put her family $130,000 in debt. I think her husband was a landscaper (her job was never mentioned).

One woman is a belly dancer with porn star breasts who gets lipo every 6 months,and the last woman was a typical So-Cal girl (lets call her blandy) who I don't remember much about.

Did anybody see this? All were insane and I can't believe that the doctors would continue to operate on these women.

I seen this once - it was about shopaholicis. I couldn't believe the debt these women were in. I like to shop and all, but I've never paid my mortgage late to get a new dish set. The sad part to me was it seemed as if the women don't really care and surely don't want help. I mean, if they are on a reality show, you would think that would be the first sign there is a problem.

Saw both shows and found the plastic surgery addicts pathetic. The shopaholics were insane IMO (nice Lexus on a teacher's salary)

I saw part of the shopaholics one and I saw the one about transsexuals. It was just odd the way the guy looked before AND after surgery. It was very interesting to see the process the guy went through to become a woman, but the surgery was kind of creepy.

That older woman on the plastic surgery episode looked like the Elephant Man.

As for the husband of the brunette who put their gorgeous house up for sale to pay for her plastic surgery: get a spine, dude. That would happen over my dead body.

I've only seen the transexual one. Did he ever mention why he waited so long to get the surgery?

He's certainly very lucky his family was so accepting of what he went through. I was wondering if his mom was going to faint when he came in the door.

He went through all that surgery in a day or two? I can't even imagine how much pain that must have been.

I saw the Shopaholic episode last night, and wound up HATING about half the people on there (counting the shopaholics and the dysfunctional freaks who claim to love them).

Lisa? Sad, but not unredeemable. She got help at the end, and seemed to be sticking to her guns. Her bitchy daughter? HATE.

Sari? Not terribly sympathetic, but not unredeemable either. Her parents? HATE. Her friends? Girls, you mean well, and frankly you had a much better impact than the asshats who spawned Sari, but -- well, now that I think about it, I can't really hate on them. Good-ish show, girls.

Mandy? HATE-HATE-HAAAAATE. "He knew what he was getting into when he married me." Take some responsibility, bitch!! And quit enabling her, mom! HATE! Even her husband didn't come off too well. Grow a spine and take the family finances by the horns, you passive-aggressive jackhole! HATE!

Am I supposed to have this reaction to this show? I'm confused.

If Mandy wants to continue shopping the way she does, shed better get her butt back to work. Did she quit completely after having the baby or was it some sort of parttime thing? I don't blame her for wanting to stay home- but you can't shop and be late on mortgage payments. I did like the decor in her house though, very bright and lively.

I was laughing when Sari showed her parents all the credit cards she had. Her mom had a disgusted look on her face through most of the show. I'd be embarrassed also if my friends were buying homes and I still lived in a tiny apartment even though I made more than they do.

Plastic Surgery addicts-- oh my, I felt really sorry for these women. The one who had the gastric bypass and made her husband sell the house was like "this is the last time"

Yeah right! I didn't believe her and I doubt her hubby did either. If he loved the house so much he should of bought another one in the area at a cheaper price- so maybe he wouldn't have been so remorseful. I'm a city girl to my heart and I was blown away by how gorgeous the land and house was.

I hope Elaine Young doesn't die on the operating table for one of her many surgeries. She's over 70, and still badgering the docs for more work even though her face hasn't healed from the last one! Yikes.

She should just stick to the botox- if makes her face look better without the danger. I was sorry to hear about her cancer- its already in her lymph nodes. Really bad sign.

I was searching for this show so I can TiVo and couldn't find it. I realized it is called Secret Lives of Women, not The Secret Lives of Women. I finally figured it out. Just wanted to pass that along for anyone who was searching like me.

My husband's comment to me when I TiVoed... "What kind of crap are you recording?" This from a man who loves Ghost Hunters. Ugh. What can I say, I am a sucker for this stuff.

I saw the one with the transexual (I hope she gets some coaching on how to walk like a woman. She was all pretty after her makeover with the stride of a linebacker), and the one about the plastic surgery. I cannot beieve that one chick and her husband who lived in Soquel sold that gorgeous house on that stunning property. She is an idiot, and he is an idiot for going along with. It was all too sad.

Also, the belly dancing chick? Hurt my eyes. The bad makeup, the cornrows, the craptastic dance moves, the lipo that only made a tiny difference. Uh uh. No.

The belly dancer scared the shit out of me and I was pretty repulsed by her. I had to fast forward through all of her dancing and much of the rest of her story because she was just kind of gross somehow.

I've seen the Eating Disorders, Plastic Surgery Addicts, and part of the Shopaholics. This show fills the void left by the lack of new episodes of Intervention. (I'm a total Intervention junkie).

On the plastic surgery episode, I HATED the woman who forced the sale of her amazing house for more plastic surgery - selfish bitch. HATE. Her husband seemed so nice, but as others have mentioned, is in desperate need of a spine transplant.

On the Eating Disorders episode, I was SO happy that Candi didn't get surgery, and was doing well on her new eating plan. All through the show, I was practically yelling "STOP EATING FAST FOOD! That would be a great start!". I feared that she would get the surgery, not be able to comply with the eating restrictions, and burst her pouch. When she was discussing getting pregnant with the doctors, I yelled "if she shouldn't get pregnant for a year or two after the surgery, she could get herself to a healthy weight in that amount of time with diet and exercise!" I was so pleasantly surprised that she did the (in my view) more sensible thing that will stand her in good stead for a healthy life ahead. So rare on these types of shows.

Oh yeah I just hated the woman who made the husband sell that fan-fucking-tastic house! He should've just told her no, she's like a child, she'll get over it. It was so telling when she really didn't give a shit about starting a college fund when her hubby brought it up. Selfish!

I just couldn't stop laughing at the fact that her Candi's name even revolved around food. I know it's mean, but I'm evil.

I saw the plastic surgery episode and I was appalled at the woman who sold their house. I was disgusted when he asked her if plastic surgery was more important than their kids. What a selfish bitch!

When they showed her scars, I kept thinking that maybe if she took more care into finding a Doc that didnt do a hatchet job on you....then maybe you wouldnt feel the need to sacrifice you entire family for it. If I was her husband, I would have left her ass.

Okay, so has anyone else seen the eating disorder episode?

Anyone else want to smack the shit out of Dava, the uber-bitch 19 year-old? Her mother totally called her on her bullshit. Kudos to her.

What disturbed me most, especially with Candi (the 330 lb. woman), was that here you have people not merely talking about their eating issues, but demonstrating them on camera. WE enabling much?

Actually, I kind of could see her point. First of all, if you have to be hospitalized for an eating disorder and everyone tells you you shouldn't weigh less then 100lbs and then a few years later your mom drops down from a perfectly fine 6 to 00 and weighs around 90lbs and tells you it's ok for her but not you, I could see anger building up from that. Plus, her mom did dress too young for her age, I could see her competing, maybe not conciously, but I could see it.




I hated that woman. First, I loved how she kept saying she'd pay for it, but never mentioned what job she had, or offered to get a second job. People like that piss me off because, she isn't that pretty and she had a crappy personality,which is usually the reason people give for marrying, so why the hell is she married and not me? I admit I have a crappy personality, but I wouldn't put my family $100,000 in the hole, and I'm prettier then her. What the hell do I have to do to land a man?

I'm very happy that Candi did not go the surgery route since I think doing surgrey is a very drastic measure that really should be taken when all other avenues have been exhausted. She is learning how to eat better and she's doing more for herself by learning how to eat properly since I hope that she will continue this when she has children so they do not follow in her footsteps. I really liked her husband since he loved her obese and supports her weight loss efforts as well. That anorexic wonam definitely needed therapy since from what I saw she looked way too thin right after giving birth, no wonder she nas no energy to deal with her kids or much else she was too hungry. She looked this close to dead to me her hair was way thinning out.

Just watched this again. The young woman (the annoying one who said "Orange County" about 99 times) - Monica-without-the-fablulous-house said she had had Botox injections three times. I thought Botox did something to wrinkles - why would a 28 year old get Botox injections? I"m honestly curious, if anyone knows the answer.

Botox paralyzes facial muscles so that you cannot make expressions that tend to cause wrinkles, such a furrowing the brow. Supposedly, it's preventative too.

hannebash, thanks for the info!

I only saw part of the Shopaholics ep (I fell asleep) and have searched and searched - they just won't re-run it. Grrr!

Oh my god, YES! I felt really sad for the other women on the show, but Dava just made me sick. The way she was blaming her eating disorder on her mom. While I do agree that eating issues go from mothers to daughters, I think she needs to take some personal responsibility for her actions. Instead she was this big drama queen! And it was really irritating seeing her at that restaurant with her friends, telling them that they shouldn't eat certain things and how many calories certain items had. I hate when people do that when I'm trying to eat!

I just watched the eating disorder show. It was eye opening to me. I think both Dava and her mother had issues, Dava was just more obnoxious. And a size 2 my ass. And I really liked Candi and was so glad to see her doing well on her eating program- and she looked so better and happier at the end. The super skinny anorexic with the domineering husband? I had a sinking feeling that she was not going to make it too longer. She looked on the edge of death and so unhappy. I have to admit, it was a realy eye opener in the way of eating habits and women's ideas about food and weight. I saw myself in some of their stories.

I saw the plastic surgery addicts’ episode, and word about the selling-the-house-lady. I could barely tell the difference between her before and after pics in relation to the scarring, and the kind of scarring she had looked like keloids (is that the right word?), the darkening of the scars that occur in some people. So my take was that the "new" scars would most likely become as bad eventually as the "original" scarring.

I was appalled by how she was so ultra focused on having it done, with her reasoning that it would somehow be of benefit to her family, and the fact that she would undergo elective procedures ( and while I can almost see how the initial gastric bypass with the associated corrective skin excision would have been more medical in nature) that would incapacitate her for several days while she had 2 small children to care for. Did you notice that the 50K stuff she had done to "take care of the painful scars" include some lip injections?

Scariest part? They sold the house, paid off the debt, and moved to Austin. Where I live. So know she has some clean credit cards for more procedures, and I have the fear that her kid and my kid will end up on the same teeball team this spring! Gah!

The OC girl, I just wanted to send to therapy. SOOOO unhappy. She kept repeating that her elective procedures were all about besting the competition. Yeah, the competition in her freakin' mind! Her body was completely fine for a 28-year-old woman. A bit cellulitey in the back of the thighs and ass, and maybe she could firm up a bit, but lord, she did NOT need lipo of the inner thighs. And, I'm sorry, but lipo of the KNEES? What is WRONG with people!

edited because my grammar sucks when I become enraged!

I felt bad for the husband but why did he let her talk him into selling that beautiful home? But when it said they moved I wonder if they were moving anyway and would have sold the home with or without the additional surgery.

And speaking of the surgery why did it cost 55k? What the hell? That was pretty steep for what he did.

Did not like her and thought she come off as self centered and don't believe for a minute she is done with surgery.

And tonight's episode (which I found somewhat boring and only watched the first 30 minutes) was about women that work in San Diego doing autopsies and one of the bodies that came in was a healthy women who had under gone a boob job the day before and in her post op check up the next day, died in the doctor's office. she apparently had a blood clot that moved from her legs to her heart and killed her. And it was from the surgery the day before.

Word to that. I was not particularly impressed with the results the plastic surgery addicts had. I suspect that Dr. 90210, et.all shows only feature people who have good end results. All I could think when I saw the "after" reveals was "$55,000 for that? Dude, I would have been pissed."

She wasn't hideous, just average looking afterward. For tens of thousands of dollars I would have expected at least lesser known porn star level of quality.

And the other girl who said "her lips were just perfect"? Uh no. Your lips look like you're having a bad allergic reaction to something.

Hee, I was just looking at the TiVo episode guide and the next one is women who do porn. Should be interesting!

The forensics episode forever affirmed my position to never get plastic surgery, what a senseless way to go.

You are so right! When it showed her at the doctor's office getting information for her gastric bypass, I went back to reading my book. It seems like all these shows push GP as the only way for overweight people to lose weight.

Color me shocked when they show her again losing weight with diet and exercise! Amazing that she chose that route instead of the 'easy' way out.

When they were discussing being broke, in debt, broke, broke and a little more broke, I was looking in the background at their house thinking "well, you seem to be living beyond your means" I'll bet they couldn't afford the house to begin with, but she stomped her childish little foot and said "I want it. Find a way to get it" and that was that.

I was also glad to see Candi decide against Gastric Bypass. She thought ahead to what her life would be like, and didn't just think of it as a "magic bullet" to solve all her problems. It was an option she didn't feel she could live with and good on her for being honest with herself!

Her diet doctor was a real new-age-sensitive-touchyfeely guy, wasn't he? People like him make me giggle, but I'll bet he'll be there for Candi and keep her going, so I'm glad people like him are around!

You're too kind, shockermolar. I've been battling insomnia for the last two weeks so I've watched this on the DVR more times than I care to admit... she said she had the bypass after not being able to lose 75 lbs of pregnancy weight. Now, that's nothing to sneeze at, but I thought gastric bypass was reserved for morbidly obese people. I also loved the way she slipped in "my doctor said I needed it." It reminded me of her telling her husband that the scar-fix doctor was "the only one who does this kind of work." I hate people who make shit up like that, always have to invoke some kind of authority for their manipulative purposes.


AND, she got her boobs re-done, a little bit bigger. And how exactly do scars "hurt"?

I also noticed that she was whining about how she can't wear a miniskirt or go to clubs. I did the math on her age, and she's 37 years old (two years older than I am). Not like it's a hard-and-fast rule, but Clinton and Stacy say "no miniskirts after 35" - and that's probably a reasonable guideline for most people. But the one that was more irritating was the comment about the clubs. YOU HAVE TWO SMALL CHILDREN AND YOU LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!!! How often do you go to clubs, lady? And, is it really worth $55 K to feel like you can wear some ridiculous hoochie dress on the one occasion it happens? I can't even comprehend that kind of vanity.

There is a marathon of all the shows airing this evening, along with the new 'Women in Porn' episode if anyone was interested.

You hit it right on the head. There is always someone to blame for everything bad that happens to an individual. Funny, personal responsibility is not mentioned at all. But too often personal responsibility is viewed as "they had it coming" or 'they deserved it" which any logical person can tell you is not the case. Like the woman in Texas that is the shopaholic? She blames everyone else for her blowing through so much damned money.

I don't know. Is it me or is this show already getting boring. The first couple of episodes were very interesting but the last two have been so boring I flipped over to Buy Me after the first 30 minutes. Women in Porn. Must have sounded good on paper but very boring to watch.

I thought the porn ep was kinda interesting. It was especially hilarious when one of the women (I think it was the porn producer) said that she doesn't think porn promotes unrealistic images of how women should look...and then they cut right to a shot of eight or nine blonde, big-breasted bikini-clad-barbie doll porn stars posing in front of the camera.

BabyFishMouth, that is exactly what I came to write about. She was talking about not all women having fashion model bodies. Not all women have porn star bodies. At least not Vivid's standards. The only diversity was blonde or burnette haircolor.

This episode was kind of boring for being about porn. I do like to hear experiences of women who work behind the scenes, but I think I understand why some reality shows create or focus on some kind of faux drama at times....to keep shows from becoming boring.

With the amount of money the porn industry generates, I'm surprised they weren't living more posh lifestyles. Who is getting all the money?

That transexual was creepy. I don't see how he felt he was ready for the big snip, just living as a woman for a few hours a day at home. I mean, there is a reason America makes you live as the opposite sex before the surgery, I mean really, he's a man at work, then he's getting his penis removed and when he goes back, he'll be a girl? Or is he planning on being a guy at work still? Just weird. And his "male" work wig? If I went up to him at a ticket counter, I'd die. I wonder why they didn't show if he did take his testicles home with him? I'd have loved to see him explain that to customs.

The guy who had to sell the house to pay for his wife surgery, get some balls, already.

I just watched the "Shopaholic" episode. Gah! I hated Mandy (the Texas stay-at-home mom) the most. I can't imagine that her marriage will last much longer. I suspect her husband is hanging in there and wants to give it a try because of the kid, but eventually, he's probably going to bail. At least I hope so.

For the other two, the ones with all the brand-new designer clothes, I have just one word: eBay. Seriously. They wouldn't be able to recoup all the losses, but they could sell that stuff for a good amount of money.

Meh on the women in porn episode. Been there, done that on HBO. But the forensic doctor episode was great! Sure, I felt like I was watching A&E or Discovery, but I still liked it.

However, I think the "Secret" should actually be that: a secret. Being in forensics or being a doctor isn't a secret.

babyfishmouth, I love your screenname. WHMS shoutouts are always good in my world!

crimekate I hated Texas shopaholic Mandy. I hope her hubby does bail on her soon too. She was so disconnected from reality it was painful (how exactly does a teacher afford a Lexus again?) and made me feel better about being poor.

The ebay idea is a good one for the clothes collectors. :)

How did you all find this show?? I need some way to know when things like this start up! Last night I came across it by accident, hitting the wrong channel for a Law and Order rerun, and found myself in the middle of Late-in-Life Lesbians. What fun! And now I want to see the Women in Porn, especially since the preview (although from your posts it's apparently been on plenty already) showed a woman pole-dancing, and I just saw the other day a thing on Sheila Kelly and her pole-dancing hobby, and was totally entranced (mostly because I love Richard Schiff, and got such a kick out of his discussing his wife's pole....).

Anything else like this I should know about???

"Women in Porn" is from a few weeks back, the preview you saw was for "Women in the Sex Industry". There was a different pole dancing lady, along with the dominatrix, and the college student call girl.

"Late in Life Lesbians" was pretty interesting. It was amusing that the women still maintain their "femme" identities even when in a relationship with another woman. It reminds me of an article I read a few months back (maybe when Mass. had legalized gay marriage) that 2 or 3 times the number of female couples wanted to get married as the number of male couples. They were saying that women generally want to have the kids and family life regardless of their orientation while men were mostly fine staying single.

I watched "Late in Life Lesbians" as well, but I wasn't surprised that the women maintained their identities. They seemed rather comfortable with themselves, and as adult women coming to terms with their sexuality, I wouldn't expect them to get caught up in the trappings of "butch" versus "femme."

I totally loved Kitty, and although I wasn't wowed at first glance, her girlfriend grew on me within a few minutes of being on screen. I hope I run into them someday in WeHo, except I hope Kitty's not wearing that yellow dress she wanted to wear to GirlBar.

I'm very curious about the transexual episode now--it's coming up in repeats in a couple of weeks. Did the show reveal anything about the results of the surgery with something like a postscript?

This show was very odd. The thing that struck me was that most of them didn't seem to have been actual lesbians, they just sort of found a relationship with someone who fulfilled them more than they ever knew and lived "the american dream" for so long without questioning it. Seemed like at least a couple of them I wouldn't be surprised to hear of them being with a man if given the chance and not in a relationship. I'm not making a judgment either way, that's just the impression I got.

The only person I got that vibe from with Kitty. She just seemed like someone who would try anything and a girlfriend was just something new and exciting for now. I loved her though; her perky outgoing personality was great.
On the Women in Sex Trade show, they did a terrible job concealing "Erin’s" identity. What is the point of blurring the top half of her face if you will still show the bottom half, her tattoos, hear her voice, etc. I have a hard time believing people who know her would see that and not recognize her. IMO I loved the one who taught housewives to strip. Call me a freak but that looked like it would be fun! Plus she really seemed to enjoy teaching those women.

I thought the same thing, I thought the same thing, she had a very distinctive mouth and then showing her tattoo was so stupid.
I thought the cuddle party bit was so freaking boring, I had to fast forward through those segments. I've heard of them before, they sound so lame.
Did anyone else get grossed out by the dominatrix Erin who kept calling her husband "daddy". I think it's so creepy when women do that. I'm not opposed to a woman calling her husband daddy when talking to her kids about him or anything, but when you call the man you sleep with daddy using a little girl voice in regular conversation without the kids around, just, eww.

Snowlep, You hit it on the head. It was creepy, watching this woman behave like a submissive child around her husband, then turn around and play "Tool Time" at work. I was wondering who is kidding themselves when they say she isn't having sex as part of her job. She might not be having intercourse, but she's having more of a sexual experience than say, Erin, who seems to be nothing more than a blow up doll who dresses herself in a costume you pick ahead of time.

Domainatrix Barbie is playing roles all the time: at home she's a submissive little girl, calling her husband "Daddy," and letting him be the "King" all the time. (And tell me he doesn't love every second of it: he has a working wife who pretends he's the sole breadwinner and caters to him so much that he doesn't have to do anything as taxing as taking out trash when he's home.) I got the impression that she began her career to keep herself from becoming frustrated while "Daddy" ugh. is away soldiering, and discovered that the flip side of it (being a submissive child) made her husband very, very happy when he was home.

IMO, Erin's experience as a prostitute was the saddest part of the whole episode. (I know she referred to herself as an Escort, but I didn't see her escorting anyone anywhere. Mainly, men walked over to the futon in her grim little apartment all by themselves) The "All-Knowing Text Message" card at the end of her segment said that she had seen herself in this program and decided to stop prostituting herself, and I only hope that it's true. Erin seemed to be the only one of the women profiled on the show who seemed to hate what she was doing. All the others, even the boring people at the "cuddle party," were approaching their "sex for money" pastimes as a fun way to earn a buck.

Erin didn't like what she was doing, and kept moving her "this is as far as I go" line further and further away from where she was comfortable. When she was looking for her john's apartment, I got the shivers. Here she was, saying the police were her biggest worry, when she was wandering through a dark neighborhood, going to see a man she didn't know, simply because he offered more money than one who would come to her place. Hon, you might not know it now, but the police are the least of your worries. Keep up your "career" and you might find that the police are your best friends.




And again, Snowlep, comes right to the point. When "Chris" was talking about life as a woman, he really wasn't talking about need to experience life as a woman. He was all about the veneer: the clothes, makeup, shoes, etc. He never mentioned that he looks at life from the female point of view, or that he had tried to become comfortable with his gender (as a man).

As I watched, I kept thinking that he was going through an awful lot of trouble just to be accepted as a cross-dresser. Really. When I think of what I like about being a woman, "the silky panties" doesn't exactly make the list.

Did the show any previews on what the next episode would be about?

It is just me, or did the guys at the cuddle party come off as rather gay? I'm just thinking that a straight guy cuddling with an attractive strange woman in pajamas is going to worry about popping wood at some point. Maybe I'm just overestimating the male response.

Did you guys see how much weight Pandora the dominatrix lost from her old pictures? Wow! She wasn't fat or anything to start with, but now she's like a toothpick. It didn't even look like the same person, and she didn't say she was pregnant or anything in the old photos. I was worried for the husband's career. Don't they have some sort of ethics clause in the military for adultery and stuff like that? It's funny that the macho husband approves of his wife's career, but as long as they're happy...

I agree that Erin's identity was poorly concealed. She reminded me of an old friend of mine and they even looked alike (it's not her)- traditional Korean immigrant parents with high educational standards, daughter quietly rebelling with alcohol, promiscuity, and white guys. The girl obviously has more issues that just being addicted to the fast money.

I watched the ep. late night on Sunday and there were no previews.

I was also completely disgusted by the dominatrix (that Daddy thing was just SO skeevy), and thought Erin was really pathetic. I think she needs serious help. And really - saying that her parents would be just devastated if they knew about her "escort" career (where she gets "donations")? Um, Erin? Do you really think that going on national television is the best way to keep that secret??? I was assuming, btw, that the not-at-all-effective hiding of part of her face was for her to avoid prosecution, not hide her identity otherwise, because obviously anyone who knows her is going to recognize her from this! I don't know why she couldn't be prosecuted based on it also, since if they wanted to make a case they have an awful lot of identifying features even if her eyes were blocked out, but what do I know.

Cuddle party woman also seemed really lame, as did cuddle party participants. And again, what's with this "no one at work knows" thing, but then going into detail about where she works, what she does, etc? Haven't people been fired for less, like mentioning their employers in their supposedly anonymous blogs? And all that stuff about how the parties are good because people need to touch more? Blech - it strikes me as sort of creepy that all those people pay money to go "cuddle" with strangers. Why not try actually connecting with real people in your lives??? But hell, it's their money I guess.

I loved the stripper teacher though. She's the only one whose kids I don't feel really bad for (can you imagine those poor Pandora's kids having to deal with their friends down the road having this video?), and she seemed together, and fun, and not creepy.

I happened on this show last night while flipping through the channels. Seemed an interesting concept though at first I thought I had happened upon HBO's Real Sex series.

According to the web site for cuddle parties, the big rule is NO DRY HUMPING. (www.cuddleparty.com) Reading through the site, the whole concept becomes more and more creepy. It is MEANT to be about one thing but in reality is about something else.

I am SO glad it wasn't just me who was squicked by Pandora calling her husband 'daddy' and talking about how he was the king. Something there just did not seem right. Must be some very strange family dynamics going on there...