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bogtrotter

I saw Randall in the hall, dressed in a white dress shirt, standing in the background. Can't wait to see his surprise. [/quote]

Maybe it's my television reception, but I thought the shot made it look as if Randal was sitting on some sort of throne. Foreshadowing?

And my initial reaction to the arrival of The Significant Others on the sailboat was "Hmmmm. That must be Randal's wife. But who's that other woman, the one in the funny wig and male drag?"

Trump's elimination of Alla seemed very contrived. She was the only serious competition Randal would have had in the final project, (I can't figure out what he sees in Rebecca, professionally speaking) and if he's wanted to hire Randal from the outset, he wouldn't be able to risk keeping Alla around until next week.
Bah humbug.
jblues
Most of it has been said, so I'l try to be brief...

I'm not sure how far in advance these things are planned out, but I got to thinking what if R&R had lost to the Orange Subtitle Twins? Would there still have been a double firing?

In defense of Alla, when you're on a two-person team and one person has to be in charge, someone has to be in charge. Felisha was the PM and then gave directorial control to Alla in some half-assed way. I'm sure Alla was totally frustrated by Felisha's running of this project. When I am asked to do something and then not given the authority/resources/control to make it happen, it's exasperating.

In non-defense of Alla, she should have let Felisha do the talking. Alla's track record up to that point would have kept her in the game. Here's a tip: You're not a shark and you don't have to attack everytime there's blood in the water.

In non-defense of both of them: Your. Commercial. Sucked. If all they were after was to "convey the message that Microsoft wanted to get across" then why not put "BUY THIS" in big block letters on the screen for 25 seconds followed by the product name? People want to read commercials even less than most people want to watch them in the first place.

Randall should win this (and I can't emphasize this enough) because he is clearly the best candidate. Any of this affirmative action nonsense is wholly speculative and I would expect that from people who haven't watched the show and certainly not from having seen what he's done this season. Had to get that one off my chest.

Rebecca? Meh. Seems to me like she's a more-then-competent employee but she clearly gets stuck in neutral too often.

Of course, this is only my opinion, I could be delusional...
solitaire

Randall: "I would have been vexed." Who says VEXED? More people should! That's awesome[/quote]

My background is Jamaican... we say 'vexed' all the time!! (laughs)
Masem
Randal, by himself, is probably the strongest candidate on the show, not just this season but ever, as many have pointed out above. To not hire him at this point would be a travesty.

Rebecca, she's not a weakling, but she's like Troy to Randal's Bill - she's got what it takes, but just not as good as Randal. I'm sure that if R&R lost this task, there would have been only one firing (Rebecca), and then next week a series of interviews to weed it to Randal and Alla. So while she's done a good job, I don't see her as the same level as Randal.

However, this is key, is that together, they are a completely awesome team with a outstanding professional chemistry. Randal as a PM with Rebecca in the ranks works like a well oiled machine, while if Rebecca is in the lead, Randal's got her back (the entire "let it fall" comment after Carolyn's production time question) and does his job so she can manage and not worry about details. Additionally, both are killer when making any sort of presentation and working with customers - a yooge skill. I know that the game implies a single candidate, but during the show "teamwork" and "ability to work with others" is so highly stressed that I would also rather seem them hired together as the strong team that they are, as opposed to the postulated double hiring of two individuals. That way, the 'winning' is in no way lessed for Randal - I'd doubt he'd be one to say that he got where he was alone and thus he should win alone, and Rebecca, who's got the skills, gets credit for being that support that Randal won with. Weird, yes, and doubtful it will be done this way (because that's too 'over the heads' for common viewers) but I can appreciate it if at least they mention teamwork here.

That said - probably the best boardroom ever (and notice how NBC didn't even take advantage of it in the promos?). I didn't know Alla was Inuyasha.
BubbaGum
Whoever said that Felisha was doing fine before she started crying had a point. I think if she stuck to her guns and didn't get weepy, it may have been just Alla.
AdrienneP

He looked like some kind of Monchichi test pattern. [/quote]
BWAH! Excellent.

I tend to think Rebecca didn't recognize him "out of context" ie, in Apprenice Land, since she clearly said she missed him at the dinner and that he would love her regardless. She has definitely shown that she keeps everything, emotions, etc. in reserve, and she's probably not just not PDA, but ANTI-PDA.
growsonwalls

I thought Carolyn looked like a shark who had just smelled blood when she saw Felisha crying. It was frightening.
[/quote]

I read it a totally different way. I thought Carolyn noticeably softened when she saw Felisha crying. Carolyn then went after Alla. I think Carolyn knew Felisha was a goner, but she felt bad that Alla was so cruel in the BR.
If there's one thing that's been consistent about Carolyn in all the Apprentices, it's that she's often surprisingly soft on the "wimpy" candidates. In the first season, she said in many interviews that she liked Kristi. Carolyn also treated Verna of season 3 very softly. Last week I think Carolyn told Felisha the blunt truth, but this week Carolyn was very soft on Felisha. As was Trump when he fired Felisha.
JTMacc99
Tee-hee-hee! RevLovejoy Good one.

I loved the adorable face that Felisha made in the cab ride immediately after Alla finished speaking. It was really quick, but it was great.


And, on that topic, I actually agree with Alla. I am sure that if Alla was on a two person team with Carolyn or Trump in charge, she would be a terrific soldier, but that is only because Carolyn and Trump would be confident enough to let her do her thing and only interfere if Alla went down a road they didn't like.

Poor Felisha freaked out, and she very much took her friend Alla down with her.


I would have really enjoyed an Alla/Randal final. I just don't think Rebecca has the firepower to lead a team of losers over Randal. In the hopes that we might end up with close results, I would like her to get Markus and Randal to get Clay. I think Rebecca would have better luck with Markus's brand of "big idea's" as opposed to Clay's insubordination.
JanGator
I took Rebecca's reaction to her boyfriend differently. I have yet to see her get warm and fuzzy with anyone, no matter how good the friendship is (Toral, Randall, etc.). Also, I almost never seen her get riled up for anything, even in the boardroom. On the contrary, Randall has shown that tendency to ramp up the excitement when he's happy about something or jazzed about an idea. He keeps it even-keel, but has those moments too. So to see him have such an obviously affectionate moment with his wife, contrasted with Rebecca's subdued manner, didn't surprise me at all.

I noticed that once Rebecca sat down with her boyfriend, she got kinda snuggly with him and said "I'm so glad you're here" very quietly. Also, during the "final four dinner" at the station, Rebecca interviewed that the dinner was nice but "I'd rather be sharing it with my boyfriend" or something to that effect. I know people like Rebecca, and they're just not very demonstrative with their affection. It doesn't mean they don't care, or aren't happy - they're just a bit more private.

Regarding the rest of the episode... I'm relieved to know that many of you were also thrown by the double-firing last night. I was feeling a bit gullible after that!

Not sure if I agree with it though. The key to managing strong people like Alla is to put them in a position where they have important work to do but do not have the opportunity to lead the entire task. Felicia didn't do that; she put Alla in charge of directing the video, which is a direct way for her to take over the whole vision of the thing. Alla even offered several times to be the actress instead and let Felicia direct, but Felicia got all wishy-washy over it.

I never got the impression that Alla was difficult to lead. Yes, if you give her the opportunity she'll run the whole job - but I never heard from anyone else besides Clay about any problems with that. At the same time, she was the one that picked the losing format for the video they did. So she was probably more responsible for the loss. Still, I think she would have fit perfectly into Trump's organization. Ah well.

LOVE Randall and his reaction to his wife. Just so cute!!
catrina
The whole issue with the double-firings is not whether they were pre-meditated but rather when they were pre-meditated. Like when the season was first planned did they intend to have an "interview" task at some point (and the "interview" stage has happened when there were 5, 4, and 3 contestants left IIRC).

I don't think Trump just decided at that Boardroom to fire Alla as well. He would have had to have known before hand whether the next task was going to be a final two or an interview stage. These things are planned in advance (especially getting those 3-4 people for the interviews and I imagine canceling at the last minute is possible, but unlikely).

Here's my best guess...at some point, in the last 3-4 firings, Trump and the producers started to focus on Randal and Rebecca. I think Randal is outstanding if not "showy" with his competance. (Remember that when Capital Edge was all-girls they wanted Randal BAD for their team. I think he just has *quality* stamped all over him that people recognize which would set him apart from most reality show contestants). I think Rebecca is fine, not as good as Randal, but definately quality. But more importantly I think Trump really loves her. She's smart, she pretty and yes, she looks something like his current wife.

I would say a double-hiring isn't impossible but the thing to remember is that the "hirings" portion of the show is always done during the live episode. So a "double-hire" could be suggested or proposed and even discarded as an idea between the initial shooting schedule and then the live episode.

I would say that a double-hiring would remove some of the "glory" of winning but , really, how much glory is there in this show? Only Bill seems to be getting anywhere with his position. Kelly and Kendra are both mostly M.I.A and what little leaks out them, their jobs, tends to be bad. Frankly Randal is *too good* for this show and I'm surprised he even wanted to be on The Apprentice.
katiekaye

When Felisha came back to the suite and she and Alla hugged each other and wouldn't let go, was I the only person who said, "All right, you two--get a room, already!"?[/quote]

See, I saw this completely differently. I saw Alla the Ice Queen. She was like "Yeah, ok, let's go to dinner." Felicia kept talking about how they were going to be a team and work together and was talking about how awful that boardroom was so they need to win next time and Alla just kept saying "Yeah, Get dressed, we're going to dinner." She has a heart of ICE!

Yeah, can't wait to hear Felicia's reaction after she sees all of the interviews with Alla where she talks about how terrible Felicia was....that should be interesting.


Is it possible Rebecca is nearsighted and literally didn't recognize her boyfriend?
I don't know...if my boyfriend hadn't had a haircut in about forever and was wearing 2 different plaids, I might not "recognize" him either.[/quote] [/quote]

Brilliant observation!
bananafoot
It's quite the pity. Alla is a very smart woman and she knows what needs to be done. I love her aggressive moves and almost everything about her makes her a stronger candidate than both Randall and Rebecca except for ego. She's got too much ego for her own good. O yes, I must add that she's insecure as well. As soon as she got in the boardroom and heard Felisha's remark on her performance, she broke down too. Unlike Randall in the previous boardroom with Rebecca and Clay where he kept his cool and just accepted Rebecca's comment with minimal retaliation.

Alla's goal was to crush Felisha, but does she not realize Felisha's the sweet lady that was overwhelmed with her presence??!? I think her rude remarks to Felisha was what Trump hated.

I'm a little disappointed to see this side of her. The previous boardroom, she did so well with throwing the rocks on Adam. I guess what goes around comes around - for saying my Adam is no good!

O what was with Donald talking about family value? Of all people, he's one on top of the list that shouldn't be preaching about the importance of family. He should have just said something like, "balanced life" connotating the importance of family.

Someone mentioned they are disappointed that there's no "interview" and I agree. No interview really sucks.

I wonder what's in showcase for the final task, hopefully there won't be any Toral or Markus. I want those 4 idiots back, just for Donald to prove they were true idiots and he killed off the right 4.

Go Rebecca!
RevLovejoy
The one thing that kept running through my head during this ep was Alla reminded me of an assasin. I guess being a stripper removes a good portion of ones senstivity, eh?

I was blindsided by her ouster, and thought Trump was sitting her back down to do a little verbal smackdown, but not can her. Still loved it though!

It will be great to sse who gets brought back, and which team they are assigned to. I'm hoping for a Calvacade of Asshats, Past and Present (Toral, Markus, Clay, Ivana, Tana, etc.)
Quiddler
Man, that Alla was such a bad sportsmanship, man, and ... oops...wrong forum. <heh>

You know, I was on the Alla love train last night, but started to lose it when she and Felisha got into their whole passive-aggressive "you're the leader but I'm leading this part of the task but you're leading this..." Shut up! And then, with little fanfare, I was thrown off the moving Alla love train when she made her "I look down on people who get depressed" and how she laughs at them.... Well, Alla honey, as a person who's struggled with depression, let me just say: fuck you. And? That your thread title of "Stripper with a Heart of Cold" is ... perfection.

Add me to the chorus of squee's! that Randals oh-so-cute "I got to see my wife! <heeheehee!>" remark. Awwwwwwwww.... So. Sweet. :D

Oh, and P.S. Alla? Alexis sends her regards, also.
LadyKenobi
Hey, Allatine! Merry Christmas, you ho ho ho!

Somone mentioned upthread that Carolyn seemed to be threatened by Alla-- I never got that vibe. IIRC, she rarely even addressed her directly. Although... Carolyn, why were you wearing the drapes that were hanging in my mother's living room in 1986?


I saw Randall in the hall, dressed in a white dress shirt, standing in the background. [/quote]

I think I noticed Rebecca as well.
RevLovejoy

I saw Randall in the hall, dressed in a white dress shirt, standing in the background. [/quote]

They were both there, and I swear that even from that distance you could almost see the WTF? looks on their faces.

Trump doing that Walk of the Spared Apprenti? Priceless.
viva v

Is it possible Rebecca is nearsighted and literally didn't recognize her boyfriend?[/quote]

I don't know...if my boyfriend hadn't had a haircut in about forever and was wearing 2 different plaids, I might not "recognize" him either.
He looked like some kind of Monchichi test pattern. Seemed nice, but needs someone to dress him. [/quote]
Did she go to the U of C undergrad or B-school? If undergrad... that, my friends, is an accurate representation of the majority of the undergrad male dating pool at U of C.


p.s. Alla, Alexis tells you to sit also.[/quote]
Hee. There's just so many ways to use the Alexis P.S.
Blackie 35
I, like Alla, Felicia and most other people was sure Alla would be in the final two. So count me as shocked she got fired, even with the crappy video.

I thought R&R's video was pretty good and Alla and Felicia's was just awful. It looked like an eighth grade powerpoint assignment, the voice over voice was terrible, and I'm sorry, but they could not fit all the information they wanted to in a 60 second video, but what they did find time to include was "enter username and password to begin". What? Just, seriously, what?

I would love a double-hire, because I love both R&R. I think they have made a great team in the last few weeks, and in a season full of nasty team dynamics, it has been so lovely to see. I think Rebecca has really kicked ass, and I was just saying before the episode started that I wish there was a way she could stick around. Never thought she would make final two...
Xenith
What ran through my mind when Rebecca saw her boyfriend, was that maybe it wasn't actually her boyfriend. Maybe her actual boyfriend was busy or unable to come for some reason, but they already had the great significant other idea and had gotten Zahara (probably Felisha's & Alla's significant others too), so instead of scrapping it they got a random guy and told Rebecca to pretend...

As for the twist the only other thing I can think of is possibly a crossover with Apprentice Martha, like maybe bringing over some of those rejects for team mates who they'd have absolutely no idea what their problems are or how to handle them...

It's a shame that they never did anything with the sister show, would have loved to see a battle between the two final fours or combine 2 members of each show to make teams and have a joint Martha/Donald board room. Too bad Burnette didn't step up to the plate...
stopeslite

I tend to think Rebecca didn't recognize him "out of context" ie, in Apprenice Land[/quote]

Hee. That would so totally be me. This came up over in TAR as well - people were shocked and upset that the racers didn't recognize some "celebrity" former racers as cluegivers. Me, if I were on a reality show, I wouldn't recognize my own mother if she came up to me in the midst of filming. It's all about the context for some of us.
TraceyBee
Did anyone else get a very weird vibe off Alla during their presentation? They were completely inappropriately dressed and their video sucked, but Alla also looked - I don't know, out of it. Like she had completely cashed it in at that point. She had no energy at all and was sort of hunched over. Maybe Felisha chose the outfits and Alla was embarassed by them, especially after seeing how Randal and Rebecca were dressed?

Rebecca's freaking out when Carolyn asked them how long it took them to make the video was kind of funny. "What does she mean? OMG, do we need to do more? She HATES IT!" And Randal's all, "Dude, chill."

Randal was so sweet with his "I got to see my wife!" *giggle* Although you know he was dreading the boat trip - "Another chance at seasickness, gee thanks, Trump."

I would have liked to have seen Randal against Alla in the Final 2, but "sit down, Alla!" was pretty priceless. Especially after Alla's bragging that, if Felisha dared criticize her in the boardroom, she'd "destroy" her.

Felisha: women in business don't cry, my dear. P.S. Alexis also sends her best.
SlovakPrincess

I never got the impression that Alla was difficult to lead. [/quote]

I don't think Trump had that impression either - until she refused to shut the hell up in the BR when both he and Carolyn told her to be quiet and let Felisha talk. This is her prospective boss, and she wouldn't be quiet when he told her to, so, right there . . .

I think both Trump and Carolyn were thinking along the lines of "Felisha's too soft for this business, so she's gotta go. But there's no reason to be asses about it, we'll just tell her nicely and respectfully," which I can respect. I think that's why they acted so appalled at Alla's inability to zip it.

The cab ride was priceless, with Felisha taking responsibility for not doing a better job, contrasted with Alla telling the world that if she can't be led, it's only because others are WEAK, and must be DESTROYED!
nodoze
Trump may have been sitting on the fence about hiring Alla because of her less-than-savory background, so, in order to get hired, Alla had to prove to Trump that she could work in a fairly staid business environment. And we know that one of Trump's most prized values is loyalty. So, when Alla displayed her previously-disguised contempt for Felicia, who had been a loyal friend (like Troy had been to Kwame, maybe), Trump fell off the fence and fired her.

There's no doubt that Alla is very sharp and talented, but what good are those qualities to an employer if she's disloyal? Trump is better off keeping black widow spider people at a distance.
Lily Bart


Randall: "I would have been vexed." Who says VEXED? More people should! That's awesome[/quote]



My background is Jamaican... we say 'vexed' all the time!! (laughs)[/quote][/quote]

I think it's a West Indian thing--my background is part Trini, and we say it all the time too!


Did anyone else get a very weird vibe off Alla during their presentation? They were completely inappropriately dressed and their video sucked, but Alla also looked - I don't know, out of it. Like she had completely cashed it in at that point. She had no energy at all and was sort of hunched over. [/quote]

Yes! I was staring at her, thinking "What the hell is wrong with her?" And at one point -- I can't remember what was said, but I think Felisha was talking -- she rolled her eyes during the presentation. It kind of seemed like Alla was trying to set it up for Felisha to fail. Even when they went into the boardroom, she was so hell-bent on destroying Felisha, she didn't even notice the "climate" change until it was too late. Maybe Trump really was set on firing both of them from the beginning, but if not, she shot her chances of Final 3 to hell by not keeping her mouth shut.
Culturemaven
I am still unsure how I feel about Alla getting fired. Because, the thing is, I really felt that she and Felisha worked poorly together because they have this bad dynamic going. Felisha (who, once Kristi got fired, came across as very genuine and nice) was really nervous, really wanted to prove herself and her leadership skills, and she just sort of freaked out and wanted to be sure that she was going to be getting credit for being the PM. I think she was nervous that Alla would get in there if they lost and say, "But I did everything, she didn't really lead, I had to make decisions on the video, I had to decide we were going to wear matching outfits." Or...whatever. And Alla, in trying to reassure her, freaked her out even more.

It's too bad, because I really identified with Felisha. She wants people to like her, and she wants everyone to be happy, and she doesn't assert herself enough because she's afraid it's going to be the wrong decision, and everyone will be mad at her. I felt bad for her, crying like that. I think Alla just sort of lost respect for her.

Count me in the minority that sort of likes the job interviews. I think it exposes the frauds (Craig and Nick are two that come to mind). That said, I think Rebecca, like Tana, talks a really good game, she's impressive in the boardroom, she would have been impressive in the interviews, but...I don't think she's a good leader. At least, not with jerky, unprofessional people who are competing for the same job she is. I think she did well with Randal because he wasn't interested in sabatoging her, and she took his input, and they made decisions together.

I think an Alla/Randal showdown would have been outstanding because they have very different leadership styles. Randal is all zen and calm, and Alla is all tightly wound control.

Edited because commas, should be used properly, and I really don't need to use "really" to really emphasize every point.

ETA also to add that I always think of Gladiator when I hear the word vexed. "It's very vexing. I'm very vexed."
charleyhorse
I've loved both Randal and Rebecca from the beginning, am so glad they're the final two, and would love to see a double hiring. But I think it could be done in a way that doesn't detract from Randal, who is clearly the stronger of the two.

First, I think it would be really cool if Randal and Rebecca agreed to not go negative in the final boardroom and to focus on their own strengths and abilities rather than attack each other. When Trump says, as he inevitably will, "Rebecca, why should I hire you instead of Randal?" I'd love to hear her say, "Mr. Trump, Randal is a great candidate and I have nothing bad to say about him. Instead, let me tell you why I think I would be an excellent choice as your Apprentice." Trump respects loyalty - I think he'd eat that up.

I think it would be really neat if, at the end, Trump said, "Randal, you've done an outstanding job...you're hired!" Then after the aplause and squealing have died down, he could turn to the downcast Rebecca and say, "Rebecca, you're young and relatively inexperienced. You had some mis-steps along the way (e.g. the Toral debacle) but you learned from your mistakes and grew stronger as the weeks went by. I also really liked the fact that you worked long and hard despite a broken ankle, and never complained. In a few years, with a little more experience, you'll be a tremendous asset to whatever organization you work for. And... I'd like that to be the TRUMP organization. Rebecca, you're ALSO hired!"

This wouldn't take anything away from Randal - he'd still be "the Apprentice" - but would also let Rebecca win. I'd love to see that!
SunniLee
First there was Shirtless!Randal.
Then there was GeekyStarWars!Randall.
Now there's SmoopyILoveMyWife!Randal!

That does it. I want a Randal action figure for Christmas.


Alla and Felicia were so unbelievably inappropriately dressed for their presentation! It was a business presentation for business clients about a business product for businesspeople. One would think business attire would be the thing to wear. If one would only think...

I truly expected Trump to say, "Good dog!" after "Alla, sit!" (Even if there was a "down" after "sit.")

Can't wait for the finale.
gianmatt

And this is completely random, but is anyone else sick of hearing people in the boardroom insist that they can do something or that they don't have some flaw when ALL evidence points in the opposite direction? Like when The Donald says to someone "You're a terrible leader" after they've completely lost control and they respond with "Mr. Trump, I'm a great leader"?[/quote]
I'm not surprised. People tend to overestimate their abilities. You've probably read survey results along the lines of "75% of drivers think their driving skills are better than average." I think the unspoken thought is, well, I'm not terrible at it, so I must be good. You don't often hear people say, "You know, I'm just completely mediocre at this sort of thing."

I'm sure Felisha truly believes that she's a great leader, but I'm not sure just how many great leaders she's been around to use as a benchmark.
Empress1

I think I love Randall. His “I got to see my wife” voice was the cutest.[/quote]
Oh my goodness, SO CUTE. I adore him: he can be intense (in the cab when he promised to get Rebecca a win), but he’s so lovably sweet and nerdy.

I agree with all of you about Felicia’s and Alla’s outfits. I imagine they were trying to look coordinated, but you can, and should, do that in suits. You do not go sleeveless to a presentation like that.

Didn’t see Alla going at all. “Sit down.” Hee! This was more shocking to me than the quadruple firing because I thought Alla was a final two lock. Bill’s right, though: she can’t be led. She really has no business working for someone else. And as we know, she’s great at running her own business and franchise. She’s good where she is. And Felicia really isn’t tough enough. I’ve said before, no weeping at work unless, God forbid, there’s some kind of personal emergency like a death in the family. That was up there with Flyer Girl.


When Felisha was talking about the text being Alla's idea -- and Alla said, "shame on you, Felisha!"[/quote]
I thought that was hysterical. I bet Alla’s a scary mommy.


Did the preview say that Trump has one more trick up his sleeve? If so I'm calling a double Hiring to balance all the multifiring that went on this season.[/quote]
See, I’m with those who wouldn’t like this. Randal is a better candidate than Rebecca. He’s 3-0, she’s 1-2, and her victory came when she a) led only one other person, and b) when she pretty much told him to take over. He was the one who thought they should sack the actor (who sucked. How embarrassing for him), and she hemmed and hawed and talked about how she hated making that call. She’s proven that she’s not a good judge of character with the Toral debacle. I don’t think she deserves it, really, unless Randal fucks up egregiously. They may both kick ass on their final tasks, but Randal has kicked ass all along, and Rebecca just hasn’t. It would be unfair to give them both the same prize, kind of like how Rupert won that extra million when he didn’t, you know, win the game.

That was really an enjoyable episode.
RevLovejoy

Alla and Felicia were so unbelievably inappropriately dressed for their presentation! It was a business presentation for business clients about a business product for businesspeople. One would think business attire would be the thing to wear. If one would only think...[/quote]

This leads to speculation, crazy as it may seem, that Alla might have intentionally tanked this task. Not spectacularly, but enough to ensure a loss, since after last week she could see how vulnerable Felisha was and figured a loss would finish her. If any doubt arose, she was confident (as we saw in the confessionals) that her Boardroom ability would destroy any argument Felisha could bring up in her own defense. Make the presentation a bit hard to follow, dress inappropriately, etc., then let the Dead PM Walking take the heat. Obviously, if a double boot was preordained she was toast anyway, but she would never have assumed that, thus "Sit Alla!"

Anyone else want to join me on the grassy knoll?
Rosalyn578

I never got the impression that Alla was difficult to lead. [/quote]

She's not difficult to lead if she agrees with what's happening. Most of the time she was either left pretty much on her own (e.g. directing the Lamborghini video), or allowed to take over (e.g Sex in the Workplace). Other times she spent a lot of time griping about how much the current PM sucked.
Figaro1
When Rebecca's "boyfriend" showed up on the boat last night, I had a total flashback. Long ago, before Mr. Figaro, I accepted a position that took me to the other side of the world, with part of my motivation for accepting the move being that I would get some distance in a relationship that had been on-again-off-again-and-we-will-probably-settle-for-marriage-someday. It was my (OK, not healthy, but let's say I've grown since then) attempt to transition to a new life by running far far away. BUT, knowing how miserable I must be without my 'sweetie', my boss surprised me by transferring him to join me. The boss thought it was so romantic. Me? Not so much.

When I saw Rebecca's reaction, I instantly felt those old emotions, and thought she must be feeling something similar. Here she is in this transitional state, trying like crazy, and finding some pretty remarkable success, in starting a career direction that will re-define her future. She has been reserved, keeping her options open, and since her boyfriend is not 'fiance' or 'husband' yet makes me think that she wasn't exactly planning on taking all attachments from her previous life into her new one. In that moment, her past crashed into her present/future, and it looked like a doe in the headlights, witnessing the collision.

Too much analysis and projection? Sigh. OK.
BethieJean
Felisha and Alla were doomed because Felisha was so shaken up by the whole "You're the weakest link" statement. She was so hell-bent on proving them wrong, she was running it on emotion, and getting scatter-brained by it. Alla was probably exasperated. They imploded. I knew it was coming (damn me and the spoiler threads!) but was HOPING it was wrong... I was soooo looking forward to an Alla/Randal final. =(

"I got to see my wife!" 1...2...3... AWWWWWWWW!!!!

When I told my dad, who only half-watches the show, who was in the final 2 (stating very sadly the Bloven is dead) he was like "The girl on crutches?! What ha she done all season except hop around?" Um, yeah. I second that.

Alla, I loved you even when you were being cold-hearted bitch. Even when you said all you could do was sit and laugh... in all honestly, I don't think she was saying she thinks people with serious depression are a laughing matter, just when someone was reacting the way Felisha was. At any rate... if I'm ever in Vegas, I'll be stopping my your spa!

Edited because I can't be bothered to proof-read my own posts...
Edited again because it's proof-read, no proo-read...
Therixter
At the beginning of the episode, when Trumpasaurus announced the task, I knew, KNEW that Felicia would be going home. I think Trump used this soft, qualitative task (with the winner based on what somebody thinks of their presentation) for the explicit reason that he could ensure that Felicia and Alla would be in the boardroom (unless something REALLY obvious happened, ala the Tide To Go task from Martha). If it had been a quantitative task, where the winner would be the one that say made the most money, there's no way to manipulate who goes to the board room. I think Trump definitely did not want to fire either Randall or Rebecca, and had to make sure he had enough wiggle-room to ensure neither of them made the BR.

I also think that's part of the reason he fired both Alla and Felicia--he wants either Rebecca or Randall, and doesn't want to risk having one of them fired before Alla.
PittsburghDiva

This leads to speculation, crazy as it may seem, that Alla might have intentionally tanked this task.[/quote]

If she did, that was foolish. Why risk the boardroom at all? Let Randal and Rebecca go to the BR, and let one of them- who are both stronger than Felisha- get fired. Then Alla would most likely advance through to the interviews (I can see Felisha crying during an interview) and then go head to head with just one strong player (most likely Randal?)
Nutjob

This leads to speculation, crazy as it may seem, that Alla might have intentionally tanked this task. Not spectacularly, but enough to ensure a loss, since after last week she could see how vulnerable Felisha was and figured a loss would finish her. If any doubt arose, she was confident (as we saw in the confessionals) that her Boardroom ability would destroy any argument Felisha could bring up in her own defense. Make the presentation a bit hard to follow, dress inappropriately, etc., then let the Dead PM Walking take the heat. Obviously, if a double boot was preordained she was toast anyway, but she would never have assumed that, thus "Sit Alla!"

Anyone else want to join me on the grassy knoll? [/quote]

I'll halfway join you there. I don't think that Alla completely tanked the task. However, when she started to feel that they were going to lose anyway, she started acting defeated and displeased with the video (especially during the announcement of the winner) so that she could blame it all on Felisha. IMO, it was very calculated to make sure Felisha was fired. So, hey, she was successful at least on that side of it! She just got herself canned in the process. Heh.
JTMacc99

First, I think it would be really cool if Randal and Rebecca agreed to not go negative in the final boardroom and to focus on their own strengths and abilities rather than attack each other. ... Trump respects loyalty - I think he'd eat that up.[/quote]Oh charleyhorse, I love the way you think, but in this case, I think you're being way too optimistic, both with this and the double hire.

From everything I've seen, if Randal and Rebecca tried the super-happy approach in the boardroom, Trump would be like, "Screw this! Fight! Fight! Fight! Or I'll throw you both out and bring back Alla."

I think he likes loyalty, but he loves fighting.
ecogaia
I agree - Randall's "I got to see my wife" was the sweetest moment ever on The Apprentice, perhaps on reality TV in general!

I'm trying to follow Jacob's advice and look at the Extra Bonus Footage. However, I am apparently a moron of some sort because I cannot find the Extra Bonus Footage. I see the links for video, but from there I only see links for Seasons, 1, 2, 3, and "you're fired." Can someone help me? Thanks.
Jodster
When Rebecca's boyfriend showed up I thought it was the actor who played the title character in Napolean Dynamite. I think it was the hair. It made me look at Randal's wife to figure out which celebrity she was.
Nutjob
Yeah... he kind of did. I think I expected Rebecca's bf to be, I dunno, more attractive? They just made a weird-looking couple.
charleyhorse
You're probably right, JTMacc - I must be channeling Rodney King!
JTMacc99
BWAH!

No, on The Apprentice, we can't just all get along.
aandt

I love this stupid show. Even when I hate it.[/quote]
NotheBox, me too! heehee
I can't not watch it.......


Maybe so, but the girl looked like she didn't even recognize her own boyfriend[/quote]
Bleu, maybe she didn't.....my lord all that shaggy hair, maybe he had a buzzcut when she left. Is that in style now??

All the spec that DT will have a multiple hiring was just what I was thinking....they did say there was something "shocking" that was going to happen (wow, like that never happens!)

Count me as one who is very glad of the possibility of no interview round....the boringest part of the whole shpiel.....
NotTheBox

This leads to speculation, crazy as it may seem, that Alla might have intentionally tanked this task. Not spectacularly, but enough to ensure a loss, since after last week she could see how vulnerable Felisha was and figured a loss would finish her. If any doubt arose, she was confident (as we saw in the confessionals) that her Boardroom ability would destroy any argument Felisha could bring up in her own defense. Make the presentation a bit hard to follow, dress inappropriately, etc., then let the Dead PM Walking take the heat. Obviously, if a double boot was preordained she was toast anyway, but she would never have assumed that, thus "Sit Alla!"

Anyone else want to join me on the grassy knoll?[/quote]

I still haven't decided, but save me a seat because I haven't ruled it out either. On the one hand, Alla seemed so sincere with her last minute "Oh, I've got it!" regarding the text thing. On the other hand, we've seen her work before and that just is nowhere near the quality of her previous work, and she DOES hate to lose. On the OTHER other hand, she sucked pretty badly at the last task too so maybe she was just coming apart or was never as great as we were led to believe.

I think she went into this fully devoted to winning and when she had her last minute idea thought it was a good one. But they ran out of time once they chose what they wanted to put on there and only had x amount of time left to produce the thing. I just can't imagine any other scenario where Alla thinks it's a good idea to have words flying around too fast to even read, and while Felicia was no superstar, I can't see her thinking that would work either. I mean that's just common sense.

The odd thing about this to me was that they seemed stunned to have 2 1/2 minutes of film for a 1 minute video. I know nothing about filmmaking but I thought that should be a GOOD thing, get more than you think you need then only select the best shots that are essential to telling the story. They acted as though they expected to use the whole footage almost like trying to get the whole thing in one take, or something.

So anyway maybe once the video was done, Alla knew it was all over and fully expected Felicia to take the hit for it which, based on previous performance, she was pretty justified in expecting. So I think maybe she didn't deliberately sabotage the task itself, but once the video hit the point of no return she saw no point in trying to save it in any way, even by dressing appropriately, thinking that could only fall on Felicia as PM and hasten the inevitable.

That might be giving her too much credit but she DOES seem to hate to lose. But Felicia's leadership really did have to be frustrating for her. She was dead on when she said Felicia was more focused on not letting Alla outshine her than she was on winning the task. But Felicia was right too, she was dead woman walking so her desperation was understandable. Let Alla do too much, then "what did you contribute, Felicia?" Shut Alla out too much and you don't get her undivided energy, focus and creativity. And for those who say Alla never had trouble being led before- well that may be true but I've always felt the teams of 2 are kind of awkward anyway. The less people you have, the more important it is for both team members to fully contribute. One has veto power, but nobody has the luxury of getting lunch or sweeping or doing something behind the scenes. You're not so much boss/employee as two employees who need to be on the same page, and one has ultimate veto power.

There was a lot going on in this task between these two and it's hard to pinpoint one particular thing that wrecked it. And I loved every minute of it. I hate when it's so easy to just go "oh well candidate X fucked this all up, he should go." It's more fun to look at all the different dynamics that led to the loss. A lot of times I am more interested in examining what went on with the winning team because the losers can be shown as such a simple one dimensional story, but that sure didn't happen on last nights show. Good tv!

ETA: Every time I look at the bonus footage on Yahoo lately, my computer shuts down. Would someone mind giving a minicap of the scenes for those of us who can't see it?

Edited again to fix italics.
Jodster
I had to chuckle at the script that Randal ad libbed. I hate cussing on television shows, but his "Gosh golly gee" approach to the wording cracked me up. I half expected him to say "Dang it!! I hate these darned ol' nasty meetings!" or something to that effect.

Count me in on the Randal love though.
ajesquire

The odd thing about this to me was that they seemed stunned to have 2 1/2 minutes of film for a 1 minute video. I know nothing about filmmaking but I thought that should be a GOOD thing, get more than you think you need then only select the best shots that are essential to telling the story. They acted as though they expected to use the whole footage almost like trying to get the whole thing in one take, or something.
[/quote]

It may not have been so much that they thought they had too many good shots to fit into 60 seconds, but that they felt they needed that long (2-1/2 minutes) to adequately describe the product and didn't think they could do it in just 60 seconds.
jjj
"Alla - SIT"

"Alla - play dead"

What a great episode -- leading to the most agreeable final two since Bill/Kwame.

One of the Seattle papers had an article about Microsoft's choice of appearing in this episode -- for which the company paid a fee. They had done research on ratings and demographics to determine which episode would be best, and decided that the "final four" episode would provide the best exposure. According to the article, "The Apprentice" honchos said no one had ever done that kind of research before agreeing to appear on the show. But Microsoft has a history of stepping up to the plate.

Is there really some extra bonus footage of Felisha crying? Or is that recaplet hyperbole?
Quiddler

Alla and Felicia were so unbelievably inappropriately dressed for their presentation! It was a business presentation for business clients about a business product for businesspeople. One would think business attire would be the thing to wear. If one would only think...[/quote]
So....what are you trying to say, exactly? <snerk> Seriously, count me in as one of those who were just flabbergasted at the way A&F dressed for the presentation. I mean - they first met the MS execs at NASDAQ - at what point did they think it would be appropriate to dress like they were going to the company picnic? Yoiks. Whereas Rebecca and Randall both looked super sharp in their matching black business suits.

Though, Becca? Please stop with the "I MUST HOP THROUGH THE DOOR FIRST!" routine. You want to be first. You're injured. We get it. Enough.


SmoopyILoveMyWifeRandall![/quote]
Gold. Pure gold.

Edited because a "suite" is not a "suit" ... and vice versa.
CheekyCricket

The whole issue with the double-firings is not whether they were pre-meditated but rather when they were pre-meditated. Like when the season was first planned did they intend to have an "interview" task at some point (and the "interview" stage has happened when there were 5, 4, and 3 contestants left IIRC).

I don't think Trump just decided at that Boardroom to fire Alla as well.
He would have had to have known before hand whether the next task was going to be a final two or an interview stage. These things are planned in advance (especially getting those 3-4 people for the interviews and I imagine canceling at the last minute is possible, but unlikely).[/quote]

I would think that could damage the relationship with some of the corporate sponsors, since (based on last season) that's who provided the interviewers last season. If the companies in question expected some more air time, and didn't get it, that would make Trump and Burnett look bad. So yes, I think the double firing was decided well in advance.

Here's my best guess...at some point, in the last 3-4 firings, Trump and the producers started to focus on Randal and Rebecca. I think Randal is outstanding if not "showy" with his competance. (Remember that when Capital Edge was all-girls they wanted Randal BAD for their team. I think he just has *quality* stamped all over him that people recognize which would set him apart from most reality show contestants). I think Rebecca is fine, not as good as Randal, but definately quality. But more importantly I think Trump really loves her.[/quote]
Based on what we saw last night, and have seen over the past few episodes, that sounds plausible. Trump has had to do quite a bit of spinning to make Rebecca look comparable to Randal, especially after she lost the XM Radio task. In last night's episode, she was smart enough to take Randal's advice about getting rid of the actor, but she was noticeable hesitant, and her panic-struck reaction to Carolyn's question about the amount of time involved in making the video showed me that she doesn't feel as confident as her boardroom manner suggests. Personally, I find Rebecca decently competent, but one of the most boring candidates ever. I'm hoping for some twists in the upcoming final two matchup or I'll be dozing off halfway through.

Count me in with those who found last night's multiple firing one too many. The first time, with four at a swoop, was impressive, even if I didn't agree with all of the firings. The second time, with two firings, was still decently dramatic, but starting to get old. A third multiple firing starts looking like a gimmick, at best.

Edited yet again to add that I thought the Rebecca/Randal video was hopelessly amateurish. I didn't think either video was particularly good, but I'm pretty sure Trump knew from the outset who he wanted to lose. [/quote]I thought the videos were equally mediocre, and I would have resorted to a coin toss to decide the winner. Excel's video reminds me of some of the awkward, cheesy commercials I've seen by local loan companies or car dealerships. Randal's acting made (I'm sorry Randal, I really do love you) me feel sorry for him.
eenie

I had to chuckle at the script that Randal ad libbed. I hate cussing on television shows, but his "Gosh golly gee" approach to the wording cracked me up. I half expected him to say "Dang it!! I hate these darned ol' nasty meetings!" or something to that effect.[/quote]
I laughed at Randal's Oh geez-ing, too! Because I'm sure that's really what a harried businessman would say when waiting for a large file to load...
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