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WinkyDink

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:29 pm

Boring.
I fell asleep, so I had to come here to find out who exactly got fired.
Randall better watch out for Rebecca's shiv; it's gotta be there somewhere!
Why even have "wraps"? Just buttonhole people and tell them, "Here's my cell-phone! I already dialed! Tell them your name and get free perfume!"*

Maybe they could've "wrapped" Trump Bar? Hee.

*ETA: Sarcasm there! I meant: Since this IS what you were doing, why pretend to bother with the assigned task?!

Nutjob

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:29 pm

First thing I thought was that they should try to plaster the side of a building in Times Square or something with all that stuff; *something* more dramatic than just wandering around town.[/quote]

Yeah, I thought so too at first. But after I thought more about it, I realized that they actually reached a lot more people in a lot more areas by using people the way they did. A billboard or even plastering a building would severely limit the number of people they reached. Plus, like Rebecca said, the people with the sandwich boards could actually talk to potential customers.

Why even have "wraps"? Just buttonhole people and tell them, "Here's my cell-phone! I already dialed! Tell them your name and get free perfume!"[/quote]

That's basically what Alla was doing anyway, even with the "wraps." I had a bigger problem with that than I did megaphone-gate.

Akai

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:31 pm

In fact, I hazard to guess that if Randall and Rebecca had lost and they hadn't taken the bullhorns when they accidentally came across the information, Trump would have taken them to task for not having the desire to win.[/quote]

Yeah, exactly; you're applying to be *Donald Trump's* apprentice, after all, not apprentice to the Ethical Society of America or something.

omophagia

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:30 pm

Reason #5839 why I could never be a contestant on this show: I would've spent that task saying, So, Shania's there to promote her new apparel... every five minutes, asking Shania about tofu tuna, then returning to the suite to ask Adam how he felt when his cat died and then trying to get him kicked out of the Open Spaces coalition.

I also would've brought up in the BR that Adam's other bright idea was to physically wrap the horses to counter his "creativity" argument. Because honestly.

Next week's Jen M and Sandy Memorial 4 Non-Blondes Screechathon throwdown between Alla and Felisha should be good times, though, given the moxie Felisha showed this week and the villain-edit given to Alla by the clip show.

lessa2010

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:30 pm

did anyone else think it was odd that the best idea either team could come up with was sandwich boarding people?[/quote]

Yes, Trump is talking about wrapping houses, thinking big and they do sandwich boards.

ETA: It worked, and it turned out the way to go, but still, it was kinda, boring.

2BigDogs

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:31 pm

The reward was almost a punishment.

Randal was so incredibly uncomfortable on that gorgeous and wickedly obstinate horse. Methinks the last horse he rode was outside Walmart and took quarters.

Shania should stick to lyrics. When she was bumbling and fumbling her speech on how to succeed -- I turned the channel. Too painful to watch.

YoureSoUrban

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:33 pm

This may be too elaborate for Trump, but I was thinking he sent Alla back to the suite to increase tension between Alla and whoever returned later.

Alla fancies herself a great strategist, and she's a control freak, but being out of the room she will only have Felisha's version of events. She won't really know what Trump, Carolyn and Boring Bill said, or how Trump pitted Felisha and Adam against each other. Only what Felisha tells her. I think if Felisha's smart she'll spin it that she really impressed Trump and that's why she survived, making Alla feel just a teeny bit less untouchable.

SnarkBoi79

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:32 pm

I, too, don't get sending Alla back up to the suite pre-maturely. Did they really think she would implode? I doubt it. This is tricky and makes me think that my Moldavian princess has this one in the bag.

I am totally loving Felisha now. I used to think she was a weak player, but now I believe she is stronger than Rebecca. She has been totally impressive these past two weeks. Tonight, she was the voice of reason on Capital Edge. How anyone could pin any blame on her would be completely unjustifiable. If it weren't for her, CE would have lost this one in a landslide. Wrapped carriages were a HORRIBLE idea.

I liked the clip show. Brian's crush on Jenn was totally unfounded but cute. I have a crush on Brian myself. Marshawn basically admitted she didn't want to be blamed for losing the Star Wars task; the sweet irony was that if she had gone along with the presentation as planned she wouldn't have been fired.

Cygnia

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:34 pm

Hindsight being as it is, next time A) Stress that only X,Y or Z will be picking up the merchandise and check ID &/or B) Put a deposit down.

Anyone else think Carolyn wanted Felisha gone because there are too many blondes around? I'm getting a (not so) subtle disgust at Trump's need for eyecandy again from her. ;)

And speaking as one who has experience in the Disposable Workforce, that kind of an assignment is tough to get labor for, especially with only a day's notice. The agency can promise the manpower, but there's NO guarantee that it'll show up (let alone being competant labor).

Akai

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:35 pm

Wrapped carriages were a HORRIBLE idea.[/quote]

Not if they'd only wrapped the hard, metal lower sides of the carriages instead of trying to do it on the soft fabric part. That wouldn't have been different than wrapping a car or truck except that a carriage moves slower and would thus give more time for someone to write down the number.

But even if it *were* a terrible idea, I still say it was up to Alla as PM to treat it as a brainstorming idea, veto it, and challenge Adam to come up with something better.

And speaking as one who has experience in the Disposable Workforce, that kind of an assignment is tough to get labor for, especially with only a day's notice.[/quote]

Okay, here's my idea; why didn't they call a modeling/acting agency? There are *how* many unemployed actors in NYC looking for work on any given day? Tell the agency you only want hardbody, good-looking men who should show up in cowboy boots and hats (this is a cheap, Stetson perfume after all), and women with a "country" look who should wear those big flouncy skirts like in the ad photo of Shania. That way you'd turn heads *and* have people who, being actors, would hopefully be better at public speaking than the average I'm-not-homeless-today-because-I'm-doing-this-and-getting-paid people you get with a general "I need bodies" agency like the ones they called.

Swell Baby

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:35 pm

Oh, one other thing I wondered about; did anyone else think it was odd that the best idea either team could come up with was sandwich boarding people? Pretty low-rent, cheap idea. [/quote]

Yes, my first reaction was that a famous person would be embarassed to have her face on sandwich boards; too tacky. The point of selling a perfume with a famous person's name is to sell a piece of that glory, not necessarily the scent, no? But I definitely don't know NYC. Maybe this is not as tacky there as I am imagining it?

muchsarcasm

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:36 pm

Oh, one other thing I wondered about; did anyone else think it was odd that the best idea either team could come up with was sandwich boarding people? Pretty low-rent, cheap idea.[/quote]
Exactly! How many times has Trump complained that a team thinks that "marketing = handing out flyers at the Port Authority". There are so many things they could have done. Buy a thousand CD singles of Shania's and give one out to each person who they see calls the 800 number.

I'm glad Alla was allowed up to the suite. While she didn't do a good job she had built up enough credit to let her escape approving her teammates' ideas (horsedrawn carraiges & $4,000 to hire 15 people).

PinkyTuscadero

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:37 pm

So why exactly was inept project manager Alla sent up to the Suite early? Grr, Trump. [/quote]

I was wondering the same thing. All tends to hear only her thoughts and ideas and shuts everyone else out. This time it bit her on the ass.

Based on the clip show, she appears to be the ring leader of the "who's the weakest link, let's get 'em fired" brigade. I don't respect people who talk tough and put up a front of being the shit and then doesn't have the balls to say to to the person's face unless they know they have back up. Alla should have been fired but was given a pass. And, to whomever said this boardroom felt pre-determined, I totally agree. Any time Trump steps in and tells people to go back to the suite, something seems fishy. I think he didn't want Felisha or Adam building a case against Alla because if it were strong enough he may be forced to fire her.

Rebecca, again, did nothing but coast. The Spanish Harlem idea was a bad one, because the peopel sent up their to sell should have been in the higher traffic areas. They only won by 5 calls....not a big enough margin to call that win a landslide. Had they lost, that would have factored in greatly.

Which makes me wonder...how the hell could Randal and Rebecca have won by only 5 calls if they had 4 times the man power on the streets?

Baralai

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:39 pm

Honestly, I didn't care which person got fired. I like Felisha, but I wouldn't have cared if she were fired. Same with Adam, so when he went, it was fine by me.

I do think that Felisha practically running away from Adam seemed kind of sad to me. Guess she was mad at him.

I think the reason why Alla was spared(and she seemed kind of broken in the boardroom)was because she's otherwise a great competitor. Yes, she made mistakes, but she was indeed still better than Felisha and Adam.

As for the megaphone thing, I didn't approve of it as it made me think of childish behavior, but I understood it. I honestly can't make any harsh judgements about it as I can't help but think that I might have done the same thing. I understood that Alla was upset, but I sided more with Adam. I didn't blame them either.

I think the horse carriage was a good idea in theory. In practice? Not so much.

I honestly didn't care about the reward. Then again, I never cared about most of the rewards.

kittyglitter

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:38 pm

Clip show stuff:
Toral might be a total dung beetle, but she was right on about the cryfest between Felisha and Marshawn during the Lamborghini task. That was ridiculous.

Markus thought people felt threatened by him? The only thing you threatened, Fnurkus, was your prospects of future employment.

Oh God. . .poor Adam. "Raise your hand if you've had sex?" How icky.

The task:
Felisha's singing at the beginning. . .oh God. . .poor Jacob.

Adam wanted to "wrap" the horses? That won't get the PETA army after you or anything. . .

What is it with the relationship between NYC and country music these days?

Felisha was actually shocked when Carolyn called her and Adam the weakest players left? Her terrified yelp of "Oh my God! Oh my God! Really? Oh no!" was painful yet hilarious.

Can't wait until Mary/Rhoda take on Randall/Rebecca next week. War, it will be.

BleuBelle

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:39 pm

[Don't "get the love"? Try reading the posts. That disingenuous "please explain" crap is not half as clever as you think.]

It really bugged me that Shania never took her hat off during dinner...made me think it was glued to her head like Kenny Chesney's. Damn, that was one awkward exchange.

thuganomics85

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:40 pm

Wow. I didn't see the bullhorn stealing coming. I don't know what to think. It was a dirty move (similar to Kwame/Troy's sceme at Planet Hollywood), but I kind of loved it. And since Trump kept poking at Randal at the beginning (You barely escaped!"), he was pretty much asking for Randal to do something bold. Well, Trump got what he wished for. And he loved it, I guess.

Why did Alla go again? She was the PM, and let Adam do the whole carriage thing. She was the person who controlled the budget. What the hell are you doing, Trump?

I do think Felisha deserved to say. But her boardroom performance was not very good. Especially her gasp/laugh when Carolyn said that she and Adam were the weakest left. That was almost as bad as Randal's facial expressions last week.

Adam deserved to go, but I was a bit sad. I though he actually fought pretty well in the boardroom. He defintley didn't deserve the hate Bill gave him.

Now, I'm not sure who's going to win. It's between Randal, Alla, or Rebecca (Felisha? Please!) Randal is 3-0, but his tatics were dirty, and the clip show showed that he has no creativity whatsoever. Alla is smart and strong, but can be abrsaive, and wasn't very good tonight. Rebecca is loved by Trump and confident, but now has dirty tatics added to her horrible record. Interesting.

Favoite moments from the clip show:

The extra Markus stuff. After akk his whining about how he was edited, I saw tonight as a big FU from Burnett. Sort of like "You should have shut your mouth. Now I'll show how bad you really can be, bitch!"

Toral. Yeah, she's still smug, but she had the best facial exspressions tonight. I loved her reactions to Melissa in the van. And I especially loved her reaction to Marshawn/Felisha's fight/cryfest. I actually kind of felt for Toral there.

Marshawn's extra stuff was confusing. The cryfest made her look bad, but her fighting for PM against Randal was kind of impressive. Until Randal started listing his education and exsperience.

I also loved Jenthura trying to play parent/psychotrist to Marshawn/Felisha when they hugged. On the otherhand, I don't know what to think of her flirting with Rubble Man.

biblioexile

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:43 pm

Chalk me up as another one who doesn't have a problem with the great bullhorn heist. Anybody with an ounce of sense would have at least held the purchase with a credit card. IIRC there was no real misreprestentation at the store. Rebecca merely said she was there to pick up the bullhorns. Perfectly true, and the Radio Shack employees didn't have any legitimate business reason to deny a paying customer right in front of them.
Good move, actually. It got the team what they needed and denied the resources to their competitors.
The 'unshown' clips were sort of interesting. Marshawn's previous glitch with Felishia put a different spin on her for me. She's still impressive but not really finalist material. Markus, though...sheesh, an oblivious idiot right to the bitter end. The tool's fired on national television and the best he can salvage is he would have been a really swell challenge to inside-the-box types. He might as well have painted a toxic waste symbol on his tush.
I can't really see either Felishia or Alla winning this thing. Alla went with Adam's lame carriage idea. Very bright, gutsy wench but a corporate leader type? Nah. She and Felishia both come across as demented Mary Kay moguls or Walmart fashion buyers. There ain't enough polish in the world to buff them into Trumpishness.

fictionista

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:44 pm

That's basically what Alla was doing anyway, even with the "wraps." I had a bigger problem with that than I did megaphone-gate.
[/quote]

ITA. I was thinking, 'is that fair?' I think that's why the scores were so close.

I don't get why Alla was sent up first either. She would never have been fired, but they should have made her sweat some more.

Isn't a colleague a person you work/associate with? So, how exactly did Randall lie? What was he supposed to have said, 'I think my competitors reserved those bullhorns!' I would have said colleague or coworker too, just for the sake of saving time. *shrugs*

Well, I agree with this Final 4. Can't wait for next week.

LolaLilaLilly

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:44 pm

Loved "Megaphone Gate". hardly unetical, totaly within stuff that happens in business everyday, and HIGH-larious.

Sorry to see Adam go, it should've really been Alla.

And I think Felicia and Alla should just pack it in now. Barring a sudden "resuffle" next week, I don't see how with Rebecca and Randal together (who's sheer awesomness has caused a great big black-hole in the Space-Awesomness Continuum) are going to be unbeatable.

SmedIndy

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:46 pm

Alla shouldn't have been fired, but probably shouldn't have gotten the free pass. Adam's idea for the carriages was idiotic.

I would have asked Shania how hard she had to work to snag her husband, because without him she'd probably be working the lounges somewhere, for tip money.

Felisha's really a non-factor - it's a final three for all intents and purposes.

Akai

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:47 pm

The more I think about it, I think one of the final four candidates should have been that anonymous black guy in the van with the megaphone who was holding conversations with people in upstairs windows of their apartment making sure they were calling for free perfume samples! He showed the most "energy" and "creativity" of anyone on the show tonight!

GeorgeOMalley

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:49 pm

Barring a sudden "resuffle" next week, I don't see how with Rebecca and Randal together (who's sheer awesomness has caused a great big black-hole in the Space-Awesomness Continuum) are going to be unbeatable.
[/quote]

A Final Two spot for Rebecca would be as bad as the one that went to JenM in TA2. If what we're seeing is Rebecca at her best, then I'd hate to see her at her worst. Even if she pulls out some fantabulous victory next week, she still has consistently been weak on every other task, including the ones she's PM'd. Also, what was with her vixen like poses in her audition tape?

Hoola

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:52 pm

I kinda saw this differently. I think that Felisha was the one who had the right idea about marketing, and I also thought she made the best of what she was given.

I think Alla completely ditched Felisha this week the same way that Clay ditched her in the Star Wars task. I think she foresaw her own karma. [/quote]

I think Allacrat likes to make decisions and once she has; it's done. There was no use for Felicia to argue for more staff because the deal was done with the carriages.

I sort of am rooting for Felicia now, go figure.

And speaking as one who has experience in the Disposable Workforce, that kind of an assignment is tough to get labor for, especially with only a day's notice. The agency can promise the manpower, but there's NO guarantee that it'll show up (let alone being competant labor). [/quote]

I was so surprised they found staff as easily as they did. Did Alla say they allocated $1500 for staff and expected 20 workers from 8-4? That's pretty cheap staffing at a day's notice, even for unskilled laborers. I did staffing for a year and I cried some times about how hard it was to find people, and I had established relationships with companies. They must have namedropped. I was shortstaffed so many times.

I think the boards were a good idea because it was the only way to get people interacting. Nobody would have called if they just passed by a sign. Sometimes, it doesn't pay to reinvent the wheel or wrap horses in cellophane.

I was so mad that Alla got sent back up. She made several wrong calls and her suite maneuvering bugs.

The only thing that pissed me off about Operation: Sabotage was Rebecca going on about honor and respect once again. One or the other, please.

Nutjob

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:51 pm

I would have asked Shania how hard she had to work to snag her husband, because without him she'd probably be working the lounges somewhere, for tip money.[/quote]

Yeah, but... have you SEEN her husband? Boyfriend is ug-LAY. *shudder*

BleuBelle

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:52 pm

Also, what was with her vixen like poses in her audition tape? [/quote]

Rebecca looked like a total party girl in that video - not what I would have expected her to send in...

Susmommy

Nov 24, 2005 @ 11:57 pm

Add me to the camp that found Alla practically dialing the number on her phone to be at least as shady as "Megaphone-gate." I actually thought that was a fair move by Randall and Rebecca. I didn't think that they technically claimed to be the ones who asked for them - just that they were there to pick up the megaphones. Kinda skirted the issue.

Still surprised that R&R won by such a small margin. They had four times as many people (as at least one person has pointed out). Of course, they might not have thought of giving out their cell phones to make those calls.

Adam looked so shocked to be fired, which I found touchingly naive, since I totally thought his was the bigger mistake here. Alla skated by on the strength of her past wins, which was probably the right decision.

And Carolyn? Adam and Felisha are the weakest? What about Rebecca? I haven't seen her do much at all, frankly, except tout her own integrity and stab Randall - completely unfairly - in the back last week.

WinkyDink

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:00 am

Carping:
Shania's face looked puffy to me.
Rebecca's make-up in her narrator spots looked Joan Crawford to me.

Task:
Brian was thinking of NYC as a tourist would (horse carriages); R&R thought of it from a resident's stand-point (neighborhoods).

Rewards:
Trump actually sounded taken aback that, previously, the women didn't know from ice hockey. DUH!! His "rewards"---Shania's horses and Randall's being not so equestrian notwithstanding---have impressed me as geared towards men.

Task companies:
Dick's Sporting Goods?
Coty?
Bring back the Lamborghini!

scrounge

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:01 am

Alla twists the knife again, masterfully as always. That bathroom prep exchange (in which Felicia looked the best she's looked the entire show, but I digress...) must have had Adam whistling home free. He got caught totally off-guard in the BR. Alla may or may not have earned her quick trip upstairs, but I thought she played the BR beautifully, seeing the tide turn against Adam, sensing that it was the staffing and the budget hamstring that she and Adam caused, and getting the hell away from that issue as fast as possible. Well played.

As for the bullhorns, I fail to see anything even remotely unethical about it. Randal and Rebecca NEVER said that they were other than who they were, just that they were there to pick up the bullhorns. Which they were. And I would have called the others colleagues. Don't their confidentiality agreements actually prohibit them from mentioning the show or that it's a competition? Even if they don't, the term is as good as any. Those bullhorns were NOT the property, implied or otherwise, of Alla et al. They were Radio Shack's property until someone came in and paid for them. Them's the breaks. Pay for them next time if you really wanted them. It's hardball, to be sure, but nothing wrong with that in my opinion. My view of Randal went UP with that maneuver, I was quite glad he wasn't so soft to turn down an opportunity when it presented itself. Good play.

tracyKAY

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:02 am

I have no problem with what R-ah & R-ah did with the bullhorns. 'Tis business Kids. The problem I have with both teams is the lack of imagination. Wrapped carriages? Are you kidding me? On what PLANET would that have worked? And not for nothing, this is NYf'ing City. Radio Shack is NOT the only place in town to get a freakin' bullhorn!

Toys R Us sells a version for $29.99..so please.

ajesquire

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:04 am

Well, this seemed like one of those "There's no way I'm going to hire you anyway, so I might as well fire you this week" firings.

Alla seems to be Teflon, but Felisha really didn't defend herself very well at all in the boardroom.

And I'm guessing that whoever invented "wrapping" as a marketing tool is wishing this episode never aired.

Peg Amy

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:06 am

I thought Randal and Rebecca were crazy smart to take the megaphones. This show is a competition and Trump values cutthroat behavior. And Randal now joins Kelly and Kendra as the only people with 3-0 PM records. I'm thinking the competition is over just about now.

I didn't really have a problem with Trump sending Alla back up even though I wouldn't have done the same in his position. If he knew that he wasn't going to fire her, there was no point in keeping her hanging on. Plus we all knew that Trump was going to fire Adam since he never can resist putting two "hot" blondes together. I did think that Carolyn seemed unnecessarily vicious with Felisha. It made me confuzzled. Felisha did a very good job on the XM radio task and I haven't seen anything to show that Adam is more valuable than she.

gastrolyor

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:06 am

I didn't have any problems with the megaphone "stealing." If they hadn't done it and they'd lost, Trump would have dragged them across hot coals for not undercutting the competition, giving them a lecture about how business isn't passive, be proactive, etc. Ask Bill -- he knows the buzzwords.

I thought sending Alla up was crap. Of all of them, she was the most culpable. She set the budget, she went with Adam's idea; this was all under her control. That being said, I'm surprised no one made any of these arguments in what we were shown of the boardroom:
a) Adam: Yeah, the carriages weren't beautiful, but look: if, with fifteen temps and those carriages, we only lost by five calls to Excel, who had sixty temps, doesn't that suggest that the carriages were a good idea and/or that Excel had badly managed temps/won through sheer luck?
b) Felicia: I had fifteen workers, and I managed to train them well enough and sell, myself, hard enough to come damn close to Excel, who had sixty workers and weren't personally selling. That suggests that our ideas were efficent and well-excuted.

... or some variation thereof.

I flipped when I saw Alla calling the hotline with her cell. If the winner was determined by the most "hits," well, then, why not just keep dialing it from your own cellphone to inflate the numbers? And if it's based on orders, then why not just make up some fake addresses and names in order to boost your own sales? I'd be curious to know just how those calls were processed, as what Alla's team was doing seemed sketchy, but there might be something in the task dossier that makes it all make sense.

Jacob

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:14 am

Not singling anyone out, but could you guys please drop the "I'm in this camp"/"I'm in that camp" stuff? It's unnecessarily divisive.

Everyone has an opinion, and making it an us v. them thing refocuses the thread away from the issue at hand. Just have the conviction of your stance.

PinkyTuscadero

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:16 am

I would have asked Shania how hard she had to work to snag her husband, because without him she'd probably be working the lounges somewhere, for tip money.[/quote]

Yeah, I found Shania dispensing business advice pretty bottomless seeing as her whole career (which has sort of fallen to the wayside) was due to being married to/linked with to uber-producer Mutt Lang. Not like she had to do much to get an album produced once she snagged him. Oh, and...take the damn hat of at the dinner table!

Also agree with how low rent some of the sponsors have been this season. Shania's scent is more of CVS/Duane Reade brand than Bloomingales or even Macy's. Coty must be producing a fragrance for Trump or hiring Melania as a spokes person.

CurryMasala

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:22 am

I do not know what to think of R&R's act --- had I been in their place, I would have done the same thing to win, so I do not think that what they did was unethical. However, I do not like the way Rebecca has gotten so lucky that she has come this far without a single win as PM. And she was the one who prompted Randal to probe further about who placed the order at Radio Shack - which just shows that she does have the habit of sailing on someone else's work, and has no real original ideas of her own. I really do not like Trump's giving her so much credit without performance to back it up.

I do think that this episode will come back to haunt Alla - she lost to Randal, which clearly shows that Randal is better than her and is a clear winner. And Felisha impressed me a lot. For the first time, I feel that Carolyn is very unfair to state that Felisha and Adam are the weakest players. Why has she not said a thing about Rebecca? I am getting to the point where I realize that this show is mostly a set-up, and its quite disappointing.

I wish Alla's team had defended themselves better, and had presented R&R's act in a better way - they could have spoken about 'integrity' and 'ethics'. Rebecca keeps talking about her integrity, but honestly I have not seen it. Trump was not wrong in sending Alla back - in my opinion - she does have a strong record in the past, and she would not have been fired anyway.

Ahh Reality

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:21 am

Peg Amysaid

I did think that Carolyn seemed unnecessarily vicious with Felisha. It made me confuzzled.[/quote]

This is me too. It made me wonder what in the dickens did Felicia do off camera that made Carolyn dislike her so much cause I sure didn't see it on camera.

Canaduck

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:22 am

Markus, thank you for yet another round of belly laughs. You certainly would be a "challenge" to the Trump organization. What a delusional tool.

Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but I was half-expecting Rebecca to own up to her boardroom misrepresentation of Randal when they met the next day with Trump. After Trump commented that Randal's stock had fallen, I thought I heard crickets chirping. I really believe the editors left in that long silence to emphasize the fact that she didn't defend him. I've always been suspicious of her but that really got me thinking.

The reward was almost a punishment.[/quote]
A real punishment would have been dining with Celine Dion!

I'm warming up to Felicia finally but, man, she really needs to assert herself. She wasn't shown to be pushing for a larger temp budget, although I wondered if the reason was that they had committed themselves on the carriage deal already from what was said in the boardroom. During the lame brainstorming session, Alla seemed to be like, "Whatever. If the carriage idea is the only one you guys have, we'll go with it."

Maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly but my impression was that it wasn't made clear to Trump that the carriage budget was a whopping $6000 until after he'd excused Alla from the boardroom. I was itching for Felicia to state exactly why she couldn't hire more temps and she kept skirting around the fact that she was restricted by her budget. Once the $6000 figure came to light, Trump seemed to make up his mind quickly; however, Felicia came dangerously close to getting the boot for not speaking up for herself.

LolaLilaLilly

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:23 am

And, of course, this week we YET AGAIN had a marketing task.

How I long for people having to sell lemonade, drive rickshaws, or remodel old New York brownstones for my entertainment.

Watch people argue about how to design a poster and whether or not to put it on a horse is slightly less entertaining.

If slightly means greatly, that is.

TriumphantComic

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:24 am

I can’t say I loved the megaphone theft. Excel misrepresented themselves to Radio Shack. It was a toe over the line from sneaky to sleazy for me. I didn’t think Randal would conduct himself that way. It would be one thing to go in and negotiate with Radio Shack to give them the megaphones and pay more than Capital Edge, but instead they just lied. I don’t like it.[/quote]

I disagree. Both Rebecca and Randal were "gladiators" on this task. The person who was to blame for this happening was none other than Adam. He was extremely stupid for not leaving a name and number to reserve those megaphones. Both Rebecca and Randal capitalized on Adam's major stupidity and paid for those megaphones. In this episode, Adam truly deserved to be sent packing for acting totally stupid. First, he wasted a large amount of money on lame carriages. Then, he was stupid enough not to leave a name and number when he was reserving those megaphones. His stupidity almost matches that of Bradford from Season 2 for waiving his exemption. Adam turned out to be a major liability so he deserved to be fired. I'm sure Clay gave Adam quite the welcoming party over at Sequesterville. *LOL*

yruneh

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:26 am

I remember the good old days when Carolyn was a model of professionalism in contrast to a lot of female candidates who seemed like catty screw-ups. How the roles have changed. Carolyn seemed jealous and petty and overly emotionally invested in her assessment of Felisha. HATE! I'm so sick of Carolyn. Meanwhile, in the past few weeks I've changed my mind about Felisha. She seemed like just a follower, but now she seems reasonably skilled.

I think the R&R megaphone plot was fine. Capital Edge didn't have a contract or a deposit.

As much I like Randal and hate Clay, the clip show made me agree with Rebecca's assessment of their relative creative. Randal's photo of Jide was awful.

On paper, Shania Twain seems like she'd be reall hot, but in reality she's seems really boring. Rumor has it she's actually made of plastic and powered by batteries. She could at least make an effort at being friendly. As someone else noted, there was a noticeable absence of "Shania was amazing!" voiceovers. This is probably the first time the candidates haven't gushed about a celebrity.

yulichka

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:25 am

There is a difference between being persistent and being unethical. Allowing the use of your cell phone in order to advance is persistence. Impersonating your competition in order to win is unethical. I lost a great deal of respect for Randal on this task. Rebecca, I never had any respect for in the first place.

I agree that Alla made poor decisions. However, when looking at the history (of which Trumpy had spoken so eloquently in the past) she is the reason Capital Edge has won most of the recent tasks (the XM radio one, excluded.)

Rebecca is all theatrics. There is a rehearsed quality in her voice that Trump mistakes for conviction. Apparently, her idea of "pushing" Randall was to nod and smile and agree with his idea. Had they lost the task, she would certainly point out to Trump (in highly elevated language, of course) Randal's lack of competitive edge and creativity on the task. Cliche as it sounds, Rebecca is the perfect example of a woman who is all talk and no action. She is S2 Jennifer M without the blonde mane of intellectual horsepower.

SmedIndy

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:27 am

And I'm guessing that whoever invented "wrapping" as a marketing tool is wishing this episode never aired[/quote]

Total word. It looked hideous...no matter what it would have been wrapped around. Yick!

CurryMasala

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:28 am

I do not agree that Alla's making calls for peole was shady - she knew that there was no other way to win, and all three did their best and came pretty close - which is very impressive. It clearly shows that they were much more efficient than R&R. 35 people extra, and only 5 calls more? That just seems highly inefficient to me.

SnarkBoi79

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:30 am

Edited because I completely misread what I responded to. Heh.

Zmeister

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:31 am

As for the bullhorns, I fail to see anything even remotely unethical about it. Randal and Rebecca NEVER said that they were other than who they were, just that they were there to pick up the bullhorns. Which they were. And I would have called the others colleagues. Don't their confidentiality agreements actually prohibit them from mentioning the show or that it's a competition? Even if they don't, the term is as good as any. Those bullhorns were NOT the property, implied or otherwise, of Alla et al. They were Radio Shack's property until someone came in and paid for them. Them's the breaks. Pay for them next time if you really wanted them. It's hardball, to be sure, but nothing wrong with that in my opinion. My view of Randal went UP with that maneuver, I was quite glad he wasn't so soft to turn down an opportunity when it presented itself. Good play. [/quote]

I completely agree. In fact, if this issue was so important as Capital Edge appeared to make it by bringing it up in the boardroom, Capital Edge should be faulted for letting their competition beat them to it. If it was not that big a deal, then bringing it up was simply an attempt to make an excuse for their loss. Either way then, Capital Edge had no reason to bring this issue up in the boardroom since they had nothing to gain from citing this.

highlander

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:36 am

I was a little surprised at Carolyn this evening. When she said to Adam and Felisha, You two are the weakest, I said "Ouch." I never heard her say that in that way before. I wish Felisha would have responded, "I respectfully disagree and then firmly said why. Felisha's response to Carolyn at that moment was too weak and tonight I felt bad for Felisha. Felisha is strong and articulate in her confessionals but it did not come through in the boardroom until the end.

Also, before the task started and Trump said to Randal that he dropped down a notch was that dubbed in by Trump or did that really happen?

Rowr17

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:37 am

Markus, thank you for yet another round of belly laughs. You certainly would be a "challenge" to the Trump organization. What a delusional tool.
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Did you see Toral? The two of them really do live in delusionville. I honestly can't decided whether Markus or Toral is more out of touch with reality.

It was really funny to see the clip of Markus talking about his "research" during the sex class task, where he isn't in the same area code as making sense, followed by Adam's interview where he talks about how when Markus speaks, it's like he takes a random bunch of words and calls it a sentance. Good times. It almost made me forget about the un!comfortable momment where they had to raise their hands if they'd ever had sex... almost, but not quite. And now I have to go shower, because I feel dirty just thinking about it.

interlaced

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:42 am

Also, before the task started and Trump said to Randal that he dropped down a notch was that dubbed in by Trump or did that really happen? [/quote]

It really happened. You could even see Randal all of a sudden become really uncomfortable and if you looked at his throat he made a big "gulp".

TotalAddict

Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:41 am

I think one word summed this whole mess up for me, and it came from Felisha: "niativite." Pronounced ny-ah-TIV-uh-tay. Which, is not a word. But okay. My boyfriend gleefully suggested that perhaps she meant Shaniativite. :)

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