Clip show: I'm sticking with the 'Markus has ADD' theory. He seemed very together in his tape and I'm betting he seemed decent in any interviews as well. That's all stuff that you can prepare for and rehearse. (rehearsing is a common ADD coping method) I know whenever I have to talk to someone I don't know, on the phone or in person or whatever, I'll think about it beforehand and rehearse what I'll say and possible answers to things the other person might say. It really helps make me appear to be a more "with it" person than my typical wandering/babbling ADD self. It's not that the correct response isn't in my head, it's the getting it OUT of my head part that's the problem.
Okay, here's my idea; why didn't they call a modeling/acting agency? There are *how* many unemployed actors in NYC looking for work on any given day? Tell the agency you only want hardbody, good-looking men who should show up in cowboy boots and hats (this is a cheap, Stetson perfume after all), and women with a "country" look who should wear those big flouncy skirts like in the ad photo of Shania. That way you'd turn heads *and* have people who, being actors, would hopefully be better at public speaking than the average I'm-not-homeless-today-because-I'm-doing-this-and-getting-paid people you get with a general "I need bodies" agency like the ones they called.[/quote]
Now
that is a good idea!
Carolyn seemed jealous and petty and overly emotionally invested in her assessment of Felisha.[/quote]
I usually really like Carolyn, but ITA with this analysis of tonight. It really bothered me how hard everyone was on Felisha for the whole thing. She did a very good job with very limited resources. The resources weren't up to her! That was Alla!
When they first said they were "wraping" things I was thinking of something more Christo-esque, not lame sandwich boards.
edited because it's important to spell people's names right
kwantasy
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:09 am
The quality of the temps was totally Felisha's fault. It was great to have Spanish-speakers, but some English-speaking people would've nice. And she didn't exactly use the labor she did have very well, although it appears they didn't do too badly. Like many of you have said, she should've done what Excel did with their Spanish-speakers (and I blame her for that more than I do Alla because labor was Felisha's responsibility). So that had nothing to do with luck. The quantity of temps wasn't so much her fault, though, and for that reason I actually think she should've been sent up instead of Alla, since labor quantity played a key role in determining the outcome of the task (plus, she along with Alla seemed to do a great job in picking up the temp slack). On the other hand, I agree with those who said Felisha didn't defend herself very well. We saw her express her worry to Adam and Alla about not being allocated enough for labor. But her very first words in the BR were weak: having more labor simply wasn't an option. That was vague. Then later on when they asked her whether she asked for more labor, she basically said the budget decisions had already been made. That's fine, but she still shared her concerns to the PM - to my recollection, she didn't even bring that up!
I agree that Alla shouldn't have been sent up, but I also don't think she should've been fired, for two reasons. One, she deserves praise for her own work on foot (regardless of her questionable use-my-phone! technique). Two, I think the carriage idea could've worked, if not for the execution. If the wrapping wasn't so ugly and almost illegible, it could've worked, kind of like ads on buses or taxis. And also, again they could've done what Excel did - have someone (one of the temps, or perhaps even one of the CEers) ride along with the carriages and just yell. If done properly, it could've reached more people than those sandwich boards. In fact, I suspect that those carriages played some role in CE getting so close to Excel, cause 15 temps does not equal 60, and surely Alla, Adam and Felisha couldn't have made up that difference by themselves. So her trust in Adam's idea wasn't necessarily misplaced.
Of course, Alla shares part of the blame for not overseeing better execution of the carriage wrapping, and for not allocating more money to the foot force (even though it could've been a good idea, carriages didn't deserve 60% of the budget). But most of the blame falls to Adam. For one thing, couldn't he have found some more wrapping-friendly carriages? As it was, even with the carriages they did have, the wrapping was bad - it wasn't big enough, especially compared to what Excel did with that van. IMO that was the main reason they lost - if the carriages were done even a little bit better, I think it could've offset any labor shortage and gotten them those 6 extra calls. And for that reason, I agree with the firing of Adam. It was the right decision, especially if you factor in past challenges, what with Felisha and Alla each having at least one PM win.
I think this is Randal's to win, with 3 PM wins, although I'm happy Rebecca's still in there. And I actually didn't have a problem with the megaphone thing, only because I wanted them to win badly, hehe. Normally, though I would take issue with their misrepresenting themselves as "colleagues" of CE. Even if they didn't misrepresent themselves when they actually got to the store, that's a technicality - lie by omission, IMO. I know this happens in business all the time, but even regardless of whether it was shady or not, it didn't have to be like that, cause I refuse to believe they couldn't have made a few calls and gotten the megaphones elsewhere. They're not that hard to find - go to a cheerleading store if you must!
On the other hand, I was also bothered by Alla giving people her phone to use. She even said she was dialing the number herself - all she had to do then was go up to some random person and say, "Just press send. Thanks!"
riffola
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:17 am
I've read all eight pages, but I haven't seen anyone mention this: Why would you want to promote a perfume by affixing a poster to a horse drawn carriage? Horses are pretty in print and on TV, but in person, esp NYC horses, aren't exactly what one normally associates with a "good" fragnance.
I'd have placed people outside the Empire State Building, Macy's, Times Sq, Rockefeller Center, Union Square, Columbus Circle, the various museums, South Street Seaport, Canal St, Broadway and Houston, etc.
yukyee69
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:23 am
Is it against the Apprentice rules to use craigslist as a way to recruit people or to enlist people to call the 1-800 number?
Fire Starter
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:26 am
I thought Alla was highly annoying with those super-pushy tactics she was using on the street. Didn't one clip show her saying "Ladies! You have to call this number" and holding out her phone? Then Felisha was pleading with people (men?) to call the number because "we have a deadline to get as many calls as possible."
As marketing techniques, those don't suggest a desirable product. Quite the opposite. IMO, strident voices, handing your phone over to people and begging are tactics that show desperation and poor marketing; the whole point of a real marketing task should have been to stimulate genuine interest in the product so that people would wait for their free sample with some interest. I think when you use such forceful tactics, people might call because they're too polite to ignore a young, educated-sounding, aggressive woman in a business suit or because they felt sorry for you, but they are also far more likely to toss the sample when it comes. Forcefeeding doesn't create an appetite.
shugafree
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:29 am
Shania Twain telling Randal and Rebecca how if they work hard, they can really succeed?
(From official Apprentice site)
Randal:
"...holds five academic degrees in engineering, business and technology including a B.S. from Rutgers University, an M.S. from the University of Oxford in England as a Rhodes Scholar, and an M.S., M.B.A. and Ph.D. from MIT. A former college championship track and field athlete, he has received numerous awards for his accomplishments as an entrepreneur and technologist including the National Society of Black Engineers "National Member of the Year." A Leadership New Jersey Fellow and Next Generation Leadership Fellow, Randal has been featured by Black Enterprise magazine and Ebony magazine in their "30 Leaders of the Future" issue."
Rebecca:
"...graduated with honors from the University of Chicago, earning degrees in economics and pre-law. As a Chicago-based investment banker, she structured mergers and acquisitions, as well as equity and debt transactions. Prior to that, she traded short-term interest rate options on Citigroup's foreign exchange desk in London. Outside of business, Rebecca founded a non-profit organization, raising over $750,000 to support disenfranchised children."
Please. Just sit there and look pretty, Shania.
mrcoffee42
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:34 am
On the issue of Alla giving out her cell phone to make calls, I think that should maybe have been against the rules of the task. But it apparently wasn't, so whatever. What I'm curious about is this: would the temps be allowed to be some of the calls? R & R had 60 temps. Seems to me like that's a head start of 60 calls for you. Have every one of them call for the samples. I was really quite surprised that they didn't win by a larger margin. Even more surprised that Felisha or Adam didn't pound on that issue more in the BR. They worked more efficiently by far. If it hadn't been for Adam's stupid idea, they would have had money to hire more people and probably would have cleaned up on this task.
catnip
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:39 am
Adam's idea to wrap the horses was great, because really, nothing sells perfume faster than a horse that's collapsed from heat exhaustion.
I hate the fact that Adam was fired tonight for having a bad idea and that Alla completely escaped any responsibility for deciding to go with that idea (and to allocate more than half the budget to it). I think that kind of firing deters candidates from speaking up with any suggestions at all and is one reason why we don't see more creativity on this show.
Hoola
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:46 am
I think that the efficiency argument for the boardroom is weak because they had the same amount of money to spend on getting the results. They didn't allocate their money properly, IMO. I still am amazed at all the temp help they were able to find.
And they spent more than $10 (plus the cost of all that wrapping) per free sample caller. Such a waste of money.
Fire Starter
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:49 am
Shania came across as quite condescending. I stepped away from the TV for a minute so correct me if I missed something but I got the impression that she didn't even shake hands with R&R. She just sat on the horse with that tight, fake smile. And the hat at dinner? "Oh, I'm a fashion icon and I'm making a fashion statement with my divine, delightful hat even though it's common courtesy to take your hat off when you're sitting down to an indoor dinner." She's so pretentious. She looks like a woman embittered by Faith Hill.
Is Rebecca's foot ever going to heal? Speaking of which, Trump really does love Rebecca -- as shown in his harping on her broken ankle in the boardroom. But why this week? Her ankle's been broken a long time.
Rosebud1970
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:55 am
When The Hair opened the non-clip show by saying there's this new thing called 'wrapping' I just about sprayed turkey all over the TV. First, I thought he was talking about rapping (and Randall seemed to have a look of dread wash over his face) and then I realized what TD actually was talking about.
Donald, wrapping ain't new. I've been doing it since 1996 when I wrapped an MTA bus. Bitch, please. Not new. To him maybe, but not in the real world where everyone else lives.
And word to everyone who thinks that wrapping the carriages was a bad idea. It totally was. Not only a bad idea, but incredibly poorly-executed, as well. Wrinkles, lumps, they weren't on straight. They looked like they were fastened on with safety pins. Feh. Especially in contrast with the van, which was thoroughly professionally-done.
I have to admit, I lurved the megaphone appropriation by R&R. TD would have done the same thing...and probably has done.
And that clip show? A revelation. Markus is a bigger tool than I imagined. I guess Burnett's paying him back for whining to TV Guide about being poorly edited. Looks like Burnett actually did Markus a favor with the edits he did get.
niklj
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:04 am
I've never heard of wrapping advertising before. When I heard that they were gonna do it, I immediately thought of like, wrapped up lampposts or something. Is there a good example of it (since obviously these two weren't one)?
Reflecting back, I'm not against the whole megaphone deal. I initially laughed and laughed because Randall's looks made him look like he thought that if they found him, they'd kill him or something to that effect. Silly Randall.
biakbiak
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:10 am
Girl
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:14 am
This show has me hooked! With only 5 candidates left, it was great to see everyone understanding the meaning of the word 'competition' and, in some cases, showing innovation. Both teams were equally conniving, Excel for (rightfully IMO) getting the bullhorns, and Capital Edge for using their personal cellphones.
However, Excel's maneuvers are the kind seen often in the business world - someone upthread mentioned that the goal of all businesses is to undercut competition, and they seized the opportunity when they saw it!
Capital Edge's cellphone ploy, on the other hand, is a tactic not done in business, making it obvious that their end goal was not to have the most effective marketing but rather to make the most phone calls. Superficially, this was the goal of the task but it will mostly likely reflect negatively on Alla and Felisha later because it showed poor marketing techniques. As
Firestarter said:
As marketing techniques, those don't suggest a desirable product. Quite the opposite. IMO, strident voices, handing your phone over to people and begging are tactics that show desperation and poor marketing; the whole point of a real marketing task should have been to stimulate genuine interest in the product so that people would wait for their free sample with some interest. [/quote]
Seen in this light, the 5 call margin between Excel and Capital Edge make more sense. Had R&R used their own cellphones - and reimbursed temps for the use of theirs - then the margin would be bigger. But in doing so, they would have compromised marketing tactics. If I were Shania, I would be pissed off if I knew that the people I had hired were not really representing my perfume well, but merely trying to fill their share of the quota.
Furthermore, whenever I come near those horses in NYC, they stink, so associating perfumes with smelly animals aren't a good idea. Plus the posters looked horrible. I could see either Adam or Felisha going - Alla has it covered anyway, as both are her devoted followers. Another orgasmic look from Felisha when she found out that she lives to see another week...
At the end of the day, I think I was just wowed by R&R's moxy and foresight. And Carolyn was right in pointing out that Adam and Felisha were the weakest. With regards to Rebecca's 0-2 record, well, this will work to her disadvantage during the interview stage, but bear in mind that 1) Trump LOVES her and 2) she's great in the BR. Of course, I do think that Rebecca is weaker than Alla and Randall...
Final two? Alla and Randall. I was beginning to think that Randall was too decent of a guy to work as Trump's lackey, but his gumption tonight proved me wrong. Still, at the end of the day, I hope that Alla will get it NOT because I like Alla (I respect and fear her!) but because at the end of the day, Randall is too good to be with Trump, 'gladiator' or not.
PS. What was UP with those audition tapes? Rebecca looking kittenish? Felisha in a bikini? With videos like those, it makes sense that Trumpie picked who he did! And that scene with Jen and Brian was really sweet. Jen does seem pretty awesome. Seeing Kristy back on the screen made me cringe, and though I think Toral is a huge piece of work, I totally agreed with her exasperation with Felisha/Marshawn's yelling match. Way to be professional ladies, and confirm stereotypes of 'crying' women in business! If Martha could see you now ;)
CapeCodder
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:17 am
Loved the clip show with things we hadn't already seen. Made sense out of some of the firings. Liked the exit interviews too, where at least some showed some class. The scene at Outback was really funny-made me like the candidates more than I ever had when they were in the game.
I guess I'm in the minority, but I thought the megaphone "scoop" was unethical and wrong. Had Radio Shack been on the ball it couldn't have happened anyway, which makes me think it was a set up in the first place. Especially when R & R asked so many questions on the phone-it would've been a total tip off to an employee that there was a competition going on. When it comes to my business, I'm a firm believer in the Golden Rule. I agree with Alla on this one-bad karma. I wouldn't want anyone working for me who would do that. LOL that being said I don't own land under any major buildings either. Nice guys may finish last, but I can sleep at night, and have loyal, repeat customers.
I think I've got to root for Felisha now, huge surprise; she's been so invisible. Randall and Rebecca lost me this week, and Alla has no loyalty whatsoever. It will be entertaining to see the back stabbers turn on each other.
tjmor
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:28 am
Horses are pretty in print and on TV, but in person, esp NYC horses, aren't exactly what one normally associates with a "good" fragnance.[/quote]
LOL! Excellent point! I haven't thought of it that way. Thanks.
kerfoker
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:30 am
Lady indoors with dark glasses to Toral: "I'm legally blind." Oh man....
sweetsue
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:35 am
I really disliked Felisha in the beginning, but, I, too, am rooting for her now.
I wonder if her seemingly ineffective boardroom defense tactics were because she did not want to place blame on Alla. I think the friendship between the two of them may have even kept Alla from doing what it seemed like she really wanted to do; keep Adam around because she thought he was the weaker competition. I'm guessing that she felt that way, of course.
polka dots
Nov 25, 2005 @ 3:44 am
I also thought it was just as sketchy for Alla & Co. to allow people to use their Trump-provided cell phones to call the 800 number. I mean, to me, that was just one step up from Alla calling the number herself.[/quote]
I also thought that was a little odd. I guess there was nothing in the rules that said that wasn't allowed but it made me wonder what was to stop them from simply dialing the number themselves?
However, I do think the reason that they got so many calls with less people was because Alla, Adam, and Felisha themselves were also out there selling their hearts out. Maybe we just didn't see the footage, but it didn't look as if Randal and Rebecca were doing the same. Rather, they were just letting all their temps do it. I think they would've gotten better results had they also participated in hounding people on the streets as intensely as AllaAdamFelisha did.
I actually thought that Alla should have been fired. What the hell did she do? I honestly believe she let Adam and Felisha steamroll her decision making because her leadership was "sorely lacking" (tm Martha).[/quote]
I don't think that Alla should've been fired but I definitely think that she shouldn't have been given that get-out-of-the-BR-free pass by Trump. Alla was as much to blame for the loss as Adam and Felisha and she should have NEVER brought up the "we lost by only five calls" excuse because even though it was such a slim margin, it
doesn't matter because Trump only sees things in black and white. They
lost, plain and simple and pointing out the slim margin just sounds like a sad excuse. However, I do agree with Trump firing Adam. That poor puppy was never going to win this and I think he did the worst job on this task. Better to put him out of his whiny misery now.
What a reward for Rebecca - let's put a woman with a broken ankle up on a horse. At least it seemed she had a little more control of her horse than Randall. I felt for him. [/quote]
Heh. First the sport fishing reward that made Randal seasick and now this. But, then again, he did also get the season's best reward (IMO) - a shopping spree at Michael Kors. As for the horse thing, it looked as if Randal's feet weren't even in the stirrups. These rewards seem very poorly planned. No one even bothers to inform the contestants on important things like putting your feet in the stirrups and putting the
elbow pads on your
elbows.
I think the bullhorn caper was funny and smart and clever. What was unethical about it? CE hadn't paid for them yet. The megaphones were NOT their property. [/quote]
ITA. It was definitely amusing watching the whole thing unfold. And besides, it's not as if the megaphones were in a pile in the suite and R&R just walked right up and stole them while AAF slept. Although it would've been pretty amusing to see Rebecca hobbling around trying to grab all the megaphones while Randal stood on lookout with his nervous, shifty eyes. I do wonder if there was a confrontation between the two teams in the suite about the megaphone incident. I wish we could've seen it if there was. Stupid editors.
Shania should stick to lyrics. When she was bumbling and fumbling her speech on how to succeed -- I turned the channel. Too painful to watch. [/quote]
And, yet, still not as embarrassing and painful as Brian's bumbling and fumbling declaration of love to Jen. Man, I liked Josh but he so loses points for forcing Brian into that awkward position. Painful flashbacks to the fifth grade when my so-called best friend told the whole class who I had a crush on. Ugh. Not cool, Josh. Not cool.
It made me wonder what in the dickens did Felicia do off camera that made Carolyn dislike her so much cause I sure didn't see it on camera. [/quote]
Maybe she saw that stupid clip of Felisha crying and channeled Martha - "Women in business don't cry." (Unless it's a well-deserved victory cry ala Kendra.)
I think one word summed this whole mess up for me, and it came from Felisha: "niativite." Pronounced ny-ah-TIV-uh-tay. Which, is not a word. But okay.[/quote]
Man, I was going to point this out, but you totally beat me to it. Add this to the Apprenti dictionary, chock full of non-words like "demeaningful" and basically every word that came out of Craig's ass. I mean, mouth.
I also wanted to point out Alla's Tana-like speech in her confessional: "I can lead...with great leadership skills." And she was irked at the temp workers because they couldn't speak English? Honey, people in glass houses... wait, I'll just let Bill finish that thought.
el Robbo
Nov 25, 2005 @ 4:03 am
Word to
TotalAddict who said:
I think one word summed this whole mess up for me, and it came from Felisha: "niativite."[/quote]
I thought it was high-larious when she said that. She was the one who looked "naivitivious" after that.
Markus, dude, I laughed out loud at you being a threat to The Donald. How's the weather on your planet?
The Megaphonies owe no one an apology. It would have been wrong if -- and only if -- it had been illegal or against some rule of the competition. Tripping up your competition in business is essential. It's not nice and it's not friendly, but welcome to the business world -- it's not about playing nice, it's about the win. Only the win.
And Adam? A hunger and desire to learn means nothing if you don't know as much as your competitors.
Vivianne
Nov 25, 2005 @ 4:18 am
I would be very curious to hear how many of the Shania perfumes ordered through the Alla & Co. number got returned to sender. If a shrill woman thrust a cell phone in my face in New York City and ordered me to speak into it, you better believe I'd give a fake name and address.
Balthazar
Nov 25, 2005 @ 4:22 am
And they spent more than $10 (plus the cost of all that wrapping) per free sample caller. Such a waste of money.[/quote]
I noticed this, too, Hoola. Once I had the cost per call figured out, I wondered why one team didn't just wrap themselves and offer $5.00 to the first 2000 people who were willing to call an 800 number on their cell. They would have had people lined up for blocks and been done by lunch!
kindredlaugh
Nov 25, 2005 @ 4:27 am
Clip Show
I spent the entire show guessing who were going to be the "employees" given to the final 2. Man I forgot how annoying some people were.
I had an obscure thought about the last episode based on the "what you didn't see" footage. So Clay redid the poster for Jadé after Randal picked such an awful picture to use. What is the possibility, given the sandbagging he seemed to be doing towards Rebecca during other parts of the task, that maybe he changed the number of the station during the edit?
Task Show
ITA with the person above who said that CE did better on sheer hustle of the core 3 people in getting people to call. 15 or 60 temps, none of the trmps (with possible exception of the guy in the van) were particularly motivated to do any extra effort whereas the CE folks were going out of their way to get people to call.
As for the Megaphone issue. This is the kind of scrounging maneuver that sales people do to each other all the time. This is why I think Trump and Bill thought it was a good move on Excel's part. And from what I remember, when Rebecca went in to Radio Shack, she said, I'm here to purchase the megaphones, she didn't specifically say she was the one who ordered them.
Vermicious Knid
Nov 25, 2005 @ 4:30 am
They spent $20,000 and received less than 2000 calls. Sounds like a crappy advertising technique to me. As for Shania, her entire country girl schtik is just a pose at this point. The woman lives in a multi-million dollar mansion in Switzerland and her name is Eileen Lange.
biblioexile
Nov 25, 2005 @ 4:55 am
yulichka wrote:
Rebecca is all theatrics. There is a rehearsed quality in her voice that Trump mistakes for conviction. Apparently, her idea of "pushing" Randall was to nod and smile and agree with his idea. Had they lost the task, she would certainly point out to Trump (in highly elevated language, of course) Randal's lack of competitive edge and creativity on the task. Cliche as it sounds, Rebecca is the perfect example of a woman who is all talk and no action. She is S2 Jennifer M without the blonde mane of intellectual horsepower.[/quote]
With all respect, which doesn't include the least sarcasm btw, this whole show is about theatrics. TA is a mutual masturbation frenzy with hungy corporate sponsors greedy for air time footing the bill. The only buzz is figuring out where any actual business savvy might filter through the rampant bullshit to an actual 'win'.
("Winning" means working for Trump? Gag.)
The voice over lesson of the week, Grasshopper, was to channel your Inner Gladiator. Of course anybody who actually tried to succeed by Trump's TA schizo lessons couldn't run a sole-supplier water franchise in Death Valley. Integrity! Loyalty! Vision! Cooperation! Daring! With, of course, whatever edits are needed to justify Trump actually being saddled with the 'winner'.
Interesting that only Boyfriend Bill is dragged back for scenery in this lame show. GI Joe whats-'is-name made a brief and hideously unconvincing appearance. He had Executive Director of Information Flow (i.e. revamp the mail room) written all over him.
Kwame dodged the bullet. Randal and Rebecca have too much on the ball to work for Trump, and Alla has too much savvy grit.
Trump deserves Felishia and vice a versa. Which probably means it won't work out that way because it all happens in tv-land.
Harumph.
Midnightmom
Nov 25, 2005 @ 5:39 am
These rewards seem very poorly planned. No one even bothers to inform the contestants on important things like putting your feet in the stirrups and putting the elbow pads on your elbows. [/quote]
So, that was what was so funny about that clip! DUH!!!!!!!! (Yes, I know nothing about hockey. It just went right over my head.)
I wonder exactly HOW the calls were counted. Unless a hockey puck hit me in the head and I was seeing double, I could swear that both teams had the SAME phone number on their respective posters. 800 numbers are usually different so calls can be traced to a specific campaign, magazine/newspaper ad, TV/radio spot, etc. The numerica are essential for deciding which is the most cost-effective time/placement/method. So, if callers for both teams were calling the same number, how did they get the 'credit' for the call????? A simple clerical error (ie-a talley mark in the wrong column) could have been the cause of the loss-thus the NEED for different phone numbers!
ralphiejax
Nov 25, 2005 @ 6:30 am
Adam: Yeah, the carriages weren't beautiful, but look: if, with fifteen temps and those carriages, we only lost by five calls to Excel, who had sixty temps, doesn't that suggest that the carriages were a good idea and/or that Excel had badly managed temps/won through sheer luck?
[/quote]
Especially since Adam made such a big point about his analytical skills... But I can't really say I have a problem with his being fired because
1) I don't really believe the carriages were more efficient
2) He was the weaker candidate of the two anyway
niklj
Nov 25, 2005 @ 6:49 am
Hey thanks biakbiak and may I say that these things are ugly. Which is why that it wasn't Adam's fault that they were so ugly on the carriages! Okay, maybe it was a little.
Okay, maybe a lot.
johnnywang57
Nov 25, 2005 @ 7:47 am
Clip Show: I was sort of yelling at the TV during the Brian/Jenthura thing..."Jen, you idiot! Hit that while you can! Damn!!!" Not seeing him for those two weeks was a well-desired reminder of how HOT (yet hilariously short) he is.
nubbs
Nov 25, 2005 @ 7:47 am
Can someone just put Bill Rancic out of his misery? Perhaps step up to the plate with fire in the belly and hit him out of the park? He's a walking dictionary of dumb cliches and he never ever has anything substantive to say. That last comment we heard from Mr Self-Satisfaction as Adam left the building made me want to kick in my tv screen.[/quote]
As the saying goes, how about putting Borefriend Bill out of
our misery?! I was almost in need of a new tv as well. I can't believe what a goddam tedious bore he's turned into. George sitting there saying
nothing and looking bemused is better than Bill sitting there speaking.
Yeah, Felisha made it! Although she's a marked woman. Pity, because I've really warmed up to her. As opposed to Rebecca, whose default facial expression is 'smug'. One thing against Felisha though...she has an unfortunate habit of showing up in the boardroom dressed for casual Fridays, while everyone else looks very corporate. She needs to 'step up' sartorially speaking.
Alla should have been booted, and had it been any one of a number of other apprenti, they would've been. I think her stripper past gives Trump a boner. I've read more about her past recently, and frankly she disgusts me.
With respect to the whole bullhorn incident, I think it was unethical and deceitful to use the word 'colleague'. As a poster upstairs said, they were at that point in time clearly competitors. I'd have had more respect if they'd said, they are our rivals and I am going to take them all to screw them over. I mean, if you were Alla, Adam, or Felisha, would you use the adjective colleague to describe them? Trump with his whole 'loyalty' shtick would do well to read the anecdote about President Roosevelt and the ranchhand. "
Yes, my friend, and if you will steal for me then you will steal from me."
Yeah, but... have you SEEN her husband? Boyfriend is ug-LAY. *shudder*[/quote]
He isn't nicknamed 'Mutt' for no reason.
On paper, Shania Twain seems like she'd be really hot, but in reality she's seems really boring.[/quote]
Another performer referred to her as the world's most highly paid lap dancer. (Way more than Alla even.)
PS Will someone here volunteer to bail me out if I ever see Bill Sycophancic and punch him out?
tone
Nov 25, 2005 @ 8:08 am
Clip show:I’m so used to Trump being inappropriate that when he was voicing over his introduction of the final five, I fully expected him to say, “Adam is a 23 year old virgin from Atlanta…”
Rebecca looked like a total party girl in that video - not what I would have expected her to send in... [/quote] She’s smart. If she he had any idea that Trump was reviewing the short list, she played that well. Being savvy in the BR is what is keeping her going. Otherwise, she would have fallen long ago, like wink-wink Erin.
I kinda understand Toral a little better now. She got disgusted with the behaviour of the women after the Lamborghini task, and never forgave them for it. I think she would have been a better fit on TA: Martha. After all, women in business don’t cry.
I wish they had shown us this side of Marshawn before. The clips of her make her firing more justifiable.
Markus – still a clueless tool.
The Fired Four post interviews:
Josh: I blame blah, blah, blah
Mark: I blame, blah, blah, blah
James: I blame blah, blah, blah
Jenthura: It was such a great experience. I was so glad to be here.
I’m just not sure whether to classify her interview as classy, or airhead.
And on with the show:I think Trump decided in advance that Adam and Felisha were overall the two weakest.[/quote] And thanks to Carolyn, Felisha is a dead women walking.
Has a PM ever been dismissed and taken out of the line of fire? If there are actual rules to this show, I’d be crying foul if I were Adam or Felisha.
R&R are so lucky they won. 75% more manpower & bullhorns only gave them a 5 call advantage? What the hell were they doing?
cristobal
Nov 25, 2005 @ 8:54 am
Are we sure that the hopeful apprentii aren't allowed to say they're doing The Apprentice? I ask this because it's hard to imagine that Radio Shack would have hunted thru all their stores and dug up the megaphones and then had them delivered to one store without credit card number in hand. It's one thing to hold an item for a few hours, it's another to have to do actual work and use manpower hours to dig stuff up, with no guarantee of the people actually showing up to pick up the product. This seriously bugged me. If I call Barnes and Noble to hold a book for me, they want my credit card number.
I didn't have a problem at all with the megaphone heist. It seemed like something Trump would have
loved, and The Apprentice is essentially about appealing to DT and making good television.
I do think that Adam should have been sent home. There's no way he was going to win anyhow, and the stupid, stupid carriage wrapping
was his idea. That said, no way Alla should have been sent out of the boardroom. Even though it was Adam's idea, Alla had final word and the idea was just SO stupid that I can't for the life of me figure out how she could have possibly thought it was a good one.
Can someone just put Bill Rancic out of his misery? Perhaps step up to the plate with fire in the belly and hit him out of the park?[/quote]
Heee. Remember when he used to be Boyfriend Bill? He's like this little Trumpie Robot now.
I have pretty consistently had a final three of Randal, Alla and Rebecca. The fourth was always a little iffy to me. Felisha's as good as anyone, I suppose. It's going to be much fun next week watching the remaining Blonds go at it. I'm of the opinion that should they end up in the boardroom, Alla will grind Felisha into dust.
ETA: Regarding Shania Twain keeping her hat on during dinner: Per Miss Manners - Women are not required to remove their hats while inside or during dinner. Basically because hats were either too difficult to remove (Pins and such) or because they end up with a pretty bad case of hat hair when they've been wearing one.
BethieJean
Nov 25, 2005 @ 9:31 am
And anyone else notice how while Rebecca and Randal seemed to be sipping champagne, Shania was drinking plain water? She seemed rather cool and indifferent,[/quote]
Maybe she's not a drinker?
I sure wouldn't want to be the manipulative stripper two innocent lesbians were murdered in order to procure ....
Alla didn't murder anyone, nor did she suggest to anyone to murder anyone, nor did she take part in a murder in any way. To blame her for that is akin to blaming Jodie Foster for John Hinckley shooting President Reagan.
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WORD!
Thoughts:
Clip show: Brian: I feel like I've really grown... You mean he was SHORTER before TA? Wow...
I ALMOST forgot why I hated Toral so much...
"Real" show: Randall... your stock has dipped, Rebecca... meh. Always has been, and still is, just... meh...
Soooo glad Alla is still around!
Don't see any problems with them using their phones - it was for people who didn't have a cell phone on them, and it guaranteed them a call. They were also spritzing people with samples of the perfume.
random thought: I was half-watching the opening credits, and when you only see Alla out of the corner of your eye, she kinda looks like Heidi in the opening credit... weird...
ETA: I didn't really notice until now just how fast Randall talks... slow down, I can't keep up!!
Happy Black Friday all!
debng
Nov 25, 2005 @ 9:31 am
I have pretty consistently had a final three of Randal, Alla and Rebecca. The fourth was always a little iffy to me. Felisha's as good as anyone, I suppose. It's going to be much fun next week watching the remaining Blonds go at it. I'm of the opinion that should they end up in the boardroom, Alla will grind Felisha into dust.[/quote]
The main reason I'll be watching next week!
Troy and Kwame were friends in every sense of the word and even though they went after each other in the board room, they were able to do so in a respectful, civil manner without bringing anything personal into the boardroom. It will be interesting to see if Alla and Felicia will be able to act with respect and civility as well. I look forward to some snarkiness!
sje
Nov 25, 2005 @ 9:37 am
I was squicked out by the megaphone bit. If it was so honorable and above-board, why didn't they shoot straight with Radio Shack? I think its because they know Radio Shack made a deal with the other team and might want to honor it. They did not give RS that chance- to honor their word and sell to the people to whom they promised the merch. It would have been aggressive but cool to try to openly convince RS to sell to them instead of the others. If I worked with someone and told him or her I would hold something for them, then I was duped into breaking my promise, I'd be pissed.
And the whole using-their-phones thing didn't bother me, because I don't think simple hits to the number were counted, I think they had to have an actual person sold on giving their name and address to get the sample. They made it REALLY easy for the person by offering their phone, but that, to me, it just smart.
Interpol
Nov 25, 2005 @ 9:52 am
Don't know if it would be against the rules, but...
If they had $10k to spend, one of the teams should have used a portion of the cash to simply PAY people to make the call. Someone standing on the street next to a bunch of payphones with flyers with the number on it handing out cash ($2 to $5, say) to people to dial a number for a few minutes probably would have generated a steady stream of calls, regardless of where you are in New York.
"Want to make some pocket change for a free cup of coffee, donut, bagel, muffin, etc. AND a free sample of perfume? Just call this number."
Stardancer2001
Nov 25, 2005 @ 9:55 am
As for the new episode, "Shaniaghans", I really thought that Randal and Rebecca would get fired for taking the bullhorns. Maybe things are different in real estate, but claiming someone else's property in their name could get you SUED in some places.[/quote]
I don't think so. They didn't "take" the megaphones. I loved the fact that R&R outfoxed Capital Edge. It's the George Carlin rule: It ain't yours until you buy it!
benrod1
Nov 25, 2005 @ 10:40 am
I dont agree with the criticism of the megaphone heist. Money now is better than a promise to pay later. I dont think the Radio Shack store would have held on to those megaphones forever. All they had was someone's word that they were coming to by them that day without any kind of money down to hold them. Anyone could have come int during that time and the store would have been within their right to sell a megaphone or two. All Rebecca and Randal did was to use the information they had to gain an advantage for their side. Trump saw this as a way of fighting for the win while screwing the other team. He literally wrote books on the subject so of course he loved it.
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