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Sheap
I'm as big a Rebecca fan as you'll find (and I was also a big fan of S2's Jen M - they're basically the same), but I have to admit that she didn't stand out on this task. The task was supposed to be about finding someone who fit the format of the station and the PM has to be responsible here. Rebecca didn't pull it off. But it doesn't matter.

If I were a contestant (on this show? not a chance!) this would be exactly the sort of task that I would hate to be PM for. It's a PM death trap. It's almost totally accountability-proof. Writing the song (the stupidest task yet) has to be a group activity because otherwise the other two people will have nothing to do but sit on their thumbs. On top of that, it's something where you're ultimately dependent on the artist, who isn't even part of the team. And you can't justify any of your decisions because the only argument you'll have is "I liked it, I thought they would like it too."

Randal's channel number error and Clay's presentation disruption were both firing type mistakes, but on this task, basically nothing you can do can make you lose. George said "that's not why they lost the task" and I think that would apply to almost anything. "We picked out a great musician and thought we had the task in the bag, but on the way to the studio, Clay tore him limb from limb." Anything less than that, and George is going to say it didn't cost the task, and he's going to be right.

Which means that if you lose - virtually a coin toss - all you can do is go to the boardroom and hope Trump has someone he wants to get rid of. I think (and Trump with his "history" speech basically admitted) that this utterly subjective task was here right before the final four so Trump has the opportunity to purge dead weight and not let them slip through to the "important" interview round. Trump hedged his bets by putting one weak player on each team, and had another hedge available in the form of having the judges declare a tie, like on the Dove task, in which case he can fire anyone he wants.

Much has been said about Rebecca's 0-2 PM record, but the only task you need to win is the last one. Napoleon won a whole bunch of battles and George Washington hardly won any, but the final round is the only one that counts.

As far as the actual music goes, I thought Poor Man's Seal was better than Poor Man's Edwin McCain, just in terms of the quality of his voice. The thing is that despite Rebecca's choice of him as a soulful, "world musician" type, the callers complained about it sounding over-produced. Over-produced is a funny thing. I can listen to techno music, where the production is the whole point, and yet it can still turn out to sound overproduced. If this is what let them down, it wasn't their fault at all, because music production requires about as much talent as music performance, and it's highly unlikely the contestants were actually responsible for it.
CurryMasala
Like the others here, I will start by saying that this episode annoyed the hell out of me. I really liked the way Alla's team worked together. Alla may have 'weaklings' around her, but she has won against the other team with her ideas alone. And I liked that she let Felishia take charge when it was her due. I really like Alla and her ideas, but I do think that she is less polished and maybe a little too aggressive. But she gets the work done, and knows how to win, which is what matters. She is not like the others that do not contribute to a win and are content doing the bare minimum.
Randal is just okay. He does not appear to be brilliant in any way, but he does have a good chance at winning given his record as PM. As for Rebecca, she annoys me so much. She has this mystical smile in the boardroom that she uses as a facade to display confidence. Initially, I found it impressive. But now, I think it hides a mean streak. And I do think it was very stupid of her to go at Randal. She has to work with Randal next week, and no matter what, his performance is better than hers. Trump may have met many women like her, and he is not stupid to choose her despite her loss. I think she went after Randal in the boardroom to cloud her involvement in and responsibility for the loss. Rebecca has had nothing to her credit except for her performance in the boardroom. It is only time before her poor record will catch up with her. But I do see her having a bright future.
I personally think that it was a strategic mistake on her part to bring Randal in between. I just hope he takes this as a wake up call and does something to make up for this mistake. Can you believe how cunning Rebecca is - her fault was much bigger than Randal's, and yet, she was not called out for it - Randal's comparatively minor fault was belabored more than Rebecca's.
But in season 2, Trump liked Nick and kept him around. However, when Trump realized that Nick had nothing to show for it, he asked Nick 'You keep saying you have this charisma. Where is it?' Although he does seem to have the hots for Rebecca. And yet, he will get rid of her eventually because she does not having anything of substance to back her up.
Consider this - she lost twice as PM, made a blunder with Toral (a really big mistake which she could use to her advantage by saying she is loyal), and made a big mistake this time as PM and was responsible for the loss. She plays the martyr, where she assumes leadership and calls it a good move to hide her complacency due to her foot, and last week when she decided to give the presentation. By the way, this time her presentation was very boring. I honestly don't take kindly to people who do nothing and then step in as martyrs and make it clear that they 'saved the day.' God I am so tired of her and I plead with Randal to do something next week to put her in her place. By the way, Alla would not put up with something like that! Why is Randal so meek??????
thuganomics85

I do think the final 5 are all decent people. That's a higher percentage than in other seasons, I think.[/quote]

I do agree, but I'm still kind of shocked that Adam is still here. When I first saw him, I figured he would be out halfway. Shows how much I know.

Now that I thing about it, Trump was pretty easy on Rebecca (until the wrap-up). He mentions Clay being hard to work with, and he's all over Randal for his mistake, but he doesn't bring up anything all that bad about Rebecca. She may be look good in the boardroom because of that. I'm wondering how she would have responded if Trump brought up her 0-2 record, against Clay/Randal's 2-0 record. I'm worried. If Clay hadn't been a prick, I think Trump might have actually fired Randal over Rebecca. That scares me.
WBBell

[Rebecca] is not creative, not a standout and not a star[/quote]
All may be true, but damn, does she ever give good boardroom. And if we believe the theory that Trump never watches the videos and all he knows about them is what he (briefly) sees of their tasks, and what he sees in the boardroom ... well then Rebecca is the biggest star of them all. She says just what she needs to say, she is eloquent, well-reasoned, succinct, and non-whiny. And Trump laps it up like a kitten at the milk bowl.

Although tonight did put a little chink in her armor. And Randal's as well.


(Edited to spell words correctly.)
highlander

Now she's with Adam and Felisha. The one time she PM'd she had Marcus (boob), Felisha (the Marcie to her Peppermint Pattie), Adam (a child) and Clay. Before that she was constantly getting into something with one of the women whether it was deserved or not, and only managed to win once while on the all female team. [/quote]

Alla also had Randal on her team. IMO, Alla has not had any trouble with the females. Toral is a snob, and so is Rebecca. I did not see Alla have any problems with anybody except for Clay. Isn't it funny that Alla worked with Clay two times and won and Rebecca just worked with Clay once and said in her confessional that she can't work with Clay again? Alla would have worked with Clay again and won. What I see is a wonderful working relationship between Alla and Felisha-similar to Kwame and Troy. When it's Kwame and Troy everybody says ooh, how nice and wonderful. Why not the same for Alla and Felisha? Alla was very supportive of Felisha tonight and gave her kudos. Alla is a very hard working candidate who is very creative and uses her brain. Every candidate so far that has been fired except for Toral (except she has Alla on her website, so she must like her) has spoken very highly of Alla. That says something to me.


personally think that it was a strategic mistake on her [Rebecca]part to bring Randal in between. I just hope he takes this as a wake up call and does something to make up for this mistake. Can you believe how cunning Rebecca is - her fault was much bigger than Randal's, and yet, she was not called out for it - Randal's comparatively minor fault was belabored more than Rebecca's[/quote]

I agree that Rebecca is cunning but I also don't trust her. When she stuck up for Toral, she told Trump that none of the other women have a prayer to win this and insulted all the other women while they sat there. Randal surprised me by not saying anything to counter Rebecca's charge. I think maybe he was blindsided by her because in the suite, she was saying things to him about Clay and acted like she was only going to go after Clay. I hope Randal sees her for what she is and makes sure she doesn't get the better of him next time. Otherwise, he will be seen as weak by Trump and the viceroys. Randal is very classy and polite but he needs to see that when Rebecca goes after him like that, he needs to defend himself strongly.
msrayrudd
Thank you Clay is gone.

Randall did show some cracks tonight, but if possible I love him even more. It's obvious that creativity probably isn't his strong suit, but I did like that unlike so many of the other candidates now and in the past, he can admit when something is his fault and not blame it on anyone else. I think Randall would have been in much more trouble for that mistake if he had tried to pass the buck, but he didn't. Granted Trump loves him anyway, but this doesn't change my opinion that he is still a frontrunner.

It's sad because I wanted Clay gone but I would have rather the other team lost. I am ready to see Felicia go away now.

Rebecca. I'm a little surprised Trump was refering to her as a star. She's now 0-2 as project manager and while I like her, I wouldn't call her a star. Though I do agree she gives good boardroom. I also was suprised that Trump did not take her to task for managing Clay better. Like when she told Trump it was Clay's decision not to have the musician speak on air. Well, wasn't she the PM? Why was it Clay's decision?

Frankly, the only reason Rebecca got away with it is because it's Clay and everybody has complained about him so far.

Also, I don't see how Rebecca hung Randall out to dry. She was asked who was more creative between Randall and Clay and as much as I can't stand Clay, I would probably agree. Doesn't make Clay smarter or a better person for the job by any means. Plus, Randall did make a huge mistake which he fully admitted.

Either way, I'm happy. But I really want to see Felicia go next. I don't know why but she irks me.
Lead Magnet
I don't think I've seen this observation in the thread yet: Did anyone notice during the opening the camera pan past the chalkboard in the suite? The board had the last nine (?) candidate names on it and their win/loss record. The early losers' names were gone completely, but Markus's was still up there, with his one win and his name CROSSED OUT. I wonder if they'll do that with Clay too...

At least the helicopter ride with The Donald was a bit fancier than construction tour with Bill. I've been waiting for a Donald reward and there we go... like quite a few others of you, I expected him to say that he owned the Statue of Liberty also. I'm impressed enough that he had the ego to mention that he owned (IIRC) the land underneath the Empire State Building or somesuch.

Randal had the best "oh bleep!" face when Trump asked him if the poster mistake was worth a firing. Despite that, the episode pretty well telegraphed that it would be the Clay Gets Ridden Out On A Rail train.

It was definitely a very, very subjective task going by the XM listeners' comments--I wonder how much weight the presentation had on the results. The execs still did pick on Excel more regardless--and when Clay opened the door early, Rebecca looked like she was about to feed Clay one of her crutches through the wrong orifice, sideways.
If Trump hadn't put the Death Watch on Clay a couple weeks ago, I suspect we might have had a more interesting boardroom, weighing Rebecca's "history" also... but he had Clay.
askew
Overall, this was a stupid task. But, Capital Edge had a better idea of what XM Cafe was looking for in a song and won the task. On Rebecca's team, they all agreed together that their singer was the right choice. They were all thrilled with him. So, I wouldn't blame that just on Rebecca. I do think Trump used this task to clear some dead weight before the next round either Clay or Adam would have gone in my opinion.

As for Rebecca's 0-2 record, wasn't Kwame 0-2 on the first season and made it to the final 2? And for the life of me, the only I thing I can remember him doing before the final round is pretend to be an NBA star.
scarletsmith

What is a "true Apprentice"? Are they going to burn their hand like Johnny Tremaine?[/quote]

Holy sh-t! Jacob wins this week's award for the most obscure-yet-appropriate reference!


"Clay is a road block"

Was anyone else hoping for Phil to come out as that was said...

"A road block is a choice between two tasks, each with it's own pro's and cons. This leg's tasks are bitching and sniping...."[/quote]

BOMP.


Rebecca annoyed me tonight and as PM she could have taken control.[/quote]

But this is exactly why Alla and company didn't fight him last week on his desire to be PM. This exact behavior. Clay was not listening to anything anybody said; he just went on with his own thing, and finally Rebecca and Randall had to practically gang-tackle him to get him to let go of his idea. That isn't to say either of them had a better idea, but they had an idea that wasn't Clay's, and that was enough to get him into full-blown Lord Pissious mode.


How could they be that clueless about Clay's behavior on the other team??[/quote]

Randall in particular, who was one of the first to confessionalize that Clay really is an obstructionist and a hindrance, praises him when the little doof has all but said, "Daddy, they're not playing fair! They won't let me play by my rules!" Yeah, by that point, it was pretty obvious that they weren't going to get a choice in the matter, but...damn, they all acted like they were surprised by his behavior. Blah.


Clay turns away from her, saying, "No, you changed on me, that's okay." Hugs Randal, keeps talking to her over Randal's arm, "You said somethin' you didn't have to say."[/quote]

What a bitch.


Now she's with Adam and Felisha. The one time she PM'd she had Marcus (boob), Felisha (the Marcie to her Peppermint Pattie), Adam (a child) and Clay.[/quote]

And Randal, right? And, IIRC, they got along great.

The editing weasels completely betrayed us again. It was obvious from the end of the meeting with drama-queen Clay that he was going home, and as soon as he switched to Excel, I knew they were going down.

How much longer is this going to go on?
Hoola

So, is it just me, or did Clay's bitter-view in the cab basically tell us that he thinks Alla is going to win? He says that Rebecca and Randal don't have a chance, because they don't have a creative bone in their bodies. He says that Felisha and Adam are "next," since Alla doesn't have Clay to pick on anymore...so that means that Clay endorses Alla as the last one standing?[/quote]

I agree with this. I think Clay saw Alla as his only real competition.


This episode irritated me overall, mostly because of how it was judged: the XM execs based their decision mostly on the reaction of the listeners who called in. No scientific sampling of a random cross-section of XM listeners!! Since when do three to four people speak for the entire group?? This is America, dammit, and as long as Donald Trump owns the Statue of Liberty everyone will speak for him/herself!![/quote]

The execs knew it wasn't right for that particular station's format before the call-ins. It was always set-up as a please the executives task. I don't know where Nigerian-influenced, not-womanly songs of the elevator music variety songs belong in the XM universe, but it wasn't on Cafe 45. And that was Crutch Girl's fault.

George rocked with his 30-year old experiences owning radio stations.

I actually think this is the weakest final 5 ever. Season 1 - Nick, Amy, Bill, Troy, Kwame. S2 - Kelly, Kevin, Ivana, Jenn M. Sandy, S3-Bren, Alex, Kendra, Tana, Craig. I don't think Felicia, Rebecca, or Adam are anywhere near the caliber of previous seasons.
JeffersonAero

As far as the actual music goes, I thought Poor Man's Seal was better than Poor Man's Edwin McCain, just in terms of the quality of his voice.[/quote]
More like Rich Man's Seal/Edwin McCain - satellite radio is expensive and I have to tell you, Trumpy, seeing you with your AWESOME XM radio did not encourage me to run out and buy one. You'll have to whore out something cheaper before my cash is leaving my pocket.

I agree that Randal probably did pick up some points by fully accepting the blame for his mistake and, what's more, exonerating Clay and Rebecca both. That's class. Despite the falter, Randal's still my pick for winning, though Alla's close.

You know, if the television crew hadn't come along on the chopper ride, Capital Edge and Trumpy wouldn't have had to bunch up on the other seat. Close proximity with the Hair -- does not sound very appealing.
Lanka

She has this mystical smile in the boardroom that she uses as a facade to display confidence. Initially, I found it impressive. But now, I think it hides a mean streak.[/quote]

I noticed it too and it really annoys the hell out of me. It's kind of makes her seem like she's better than everyone else here. She really did not do anything up to this task, and she didn't do anything this time either. Usually when other team members screw up, it all comes back to PM, at least to some degree. Randal screwed up the number? Yes it's his fault, but didn't Rebecca see the poster before the presentation? Isn't she supposed to be checking all the details, especially in this task, where there weren't too many details at all? She did the exact same thing in the other task that she PMed and missed the Tethno cake, she should have noticed that as well!

I am so glad that Randal did not get fired. He was just so gracious in the boardroom. His only possible flaw is that he does not fight for himself, which is probably a flaw in the business world, but it is such a good character trait. Not only he doesn't say anything bad about others, but he owns up to his mistakes and doesn't brag about his achievements (e.g. his record as a PM).

The other team - actually they're all better than I thought. Felisha is actually smart and competent, and seemed to be working very well on her own, not simply dumping all responsibilities on Alla. Alla works well as a team member, not only a team leader. And Adam is just sweet. They all seem to be very friendly and nice and it was really good to see it especially at this late stage in the game, when everyone is usually falling apart.
MiamiGuy

What was it Clay said to Rebecca as he was going to the down elevator?

Some artist used to have a hit with a song called "What About Me"- it was somebody like Air Supply or somebody generic like that. I'm pretty sure the singer was a male. It was a homogenized Adult Lite Rock type song so it cracked me up that Rebecca was so against that song.

Most boring episode this year. [/quote]

Right country (Australia), wrong band. The group Moving Pictures, sort of a Down Under wanna-be E Street Band, had a yoooge hit in Australia in the '80s with "What About Me" and it received some airplay on this side of the Pacific and was a minor hit in the US.
Janet05
The saying is - There are 4 possible combinations - bad managers with bad people will always lose - Good managers with bad people is equivalent to bad managers with good people and a good manager with good people can't be beat. I have to give credit to Alla for knowing how to manage her managers as well as managing a task.

As to this music - the downfall of the project was the ego of expanding the music of the XM station - The station knew what ti wanted to be and expanding the horizons was not a choice - there for Rebecca should have left. She was just lucky to have Clay on her team because there could not have been any excuses with anyone else, Clay's latent and not so latent hostility made him the obvious target, with no one worse sitting around to take the fall.

Anyone else lauging there head off each time the BK star wors ad plays on TV- Guess it is just me.
Swallow
I want to get me one of them dildo phones. It cracks me up a little every time I see it.

How typical that Clay's idea for the song was "What about me?" Is he ever aware of anything outside of the "It's all about me!" buzzing in his own head? The only other thing that ever creeps in there is an obsessive hatred/fascination regarding Alla. And I really hated all the openly bitchy to passive-aggressive and back again bullshit. Relieved that he's gone, as he didn't even have the grace to be an entertaining baddie, merely a tedious one.
BetJo

I was a bit surprised that Rebecca went for Randal's throat like that.[/quote]

Word that!

Our gal Rebecca evidently wasn't thinking very clearly because she possibly will be paired together again with Randall....

I was surprised, as also was Randall from the look on his face. They seemed so close earlier.

Rebecca will probably rue this day, although Trump has made it clear that he respects her honesty, he probably will feel that this side of Rebecca was not her honest feelings.
Magsi2
I wasn't too impressed with this ep. The 2 musicians weren't bad, but I really can't imagine working with either team as the artist. Felisha seemed to have a feel for what XM wanted. Rebecca went for what SHE wanted them to like (with all of their intellectual horsepower....whatever!) I was amazed that Randal had the wrong # on the sign, but in the grand scheme of things, that was minor. His point was concerning the marketing aspect and that wouldn't have been the "real deal" anyhow. Clay.....is just so annoying. Glad he was the one to go tonight, but I really think Rebecca deserved to go too. I don't see what she has done to be a "superstar". We must be missing lots due to editing, because I just see that she has lost twice and is still there.

Miss Universe...and XM.....yep...no relation or segway AT ALL. Trumpy just wanted a reason to have her nearby. Next week looks like it might be interesting. I hope so, this week sure wasn't!
kittyglitter

What is a "true Apprentice"? Are they going to burn their hand like Johnny Tremaine?[/quote]

How do I clean cranberry juice off my computer screen? Because that's what I was drinking when I read that.


Does anyone else think it's funny that Rebecca is always the one to open the door, hop through, and hold it open for the guys?[/quote]

It is a bit assy of the guys not to do that for her, but she may be the type of girl who bristles at any kind of chivalry.
anwen
Yeah, I'm curious about Rebecca's interpretation of "what about me?" as a femininity issue with the song (as opposed to a whiny and boring issue, for example). And in light of all the feminized insults contra Clay (as opposed to just saying "He's annoying"), that stuck out--I wonder if Clay felt personally insulted by that? And thus put on his obnoxious socks? (Because that door opening thing was so sad--seriously, the middle-school kids I know at our church are above that, Clay.)

Although I have to say Clay's "interview" made it sound like he wanted to write something like that Asslee Simpson "Autobiography" song. Wah! Middle child blues, dooby dooby doo. Of course, I don't get what the middle child had to do with the Nigerian theme--one of the advantages Capital Edge had was they stuck to one very simple, basic idea. (I'm not sure I understand what the Excel song was ultimately about, but one of the things I would have pointed out is that in a song on a "what about me?" theme, you have to somehow get the listener to care. Or at least it helps. I think that what they ended up with was supposed to be some kind of empowering thing, but it helped that the CE song seemed to be phrased in a more universalizing way (with intelligible lyrics). Of course I'm not saying that you can't or shouldn't write songs about embracing your cultural identity or whatver--just that you probably have to be a slightly better songwriter to pull it off).

Rebecca says a lot of weird stuff, in my opinion. This episode made her seem much younger to me--usually I have trouble remembering she's about my age. But today, she seemed much more pretentious undergrad student to me. I mean, I went to a quote-unquote prestigious liberal arts school, used the word "meta" in ordinary conversation, wrote papers on post-modernism and all that fun stuff, but something in the way she was trying to put together the "intellectual" listeners with the Nigerian-identity issue seemed very stereotypical of that kind of mode of thought--very consciously urbane and sophisticated and post-colonial and whatever. And in all honesty, I would have been uncomfortable putting together this whole spin on how Jide used to run away from his heritage but is now embracing it--at least as a middle-class white girl making the presentation. I'm going to hope that some of that came out in the interview that we didn't see, but I wonder how much of that was spin on Rebecca's part. Which is kind of gross in a way I'm too sleepy to articulate right now. Or am I inventing this whole issue?

I try really hard not to be a music snob, because God knows I have no pretensions to writing music professionally. It was something I did for fun, and I don't think it has any bearing on one's business abilities. But that whole "process"? Ouch. Although Donald listening was kinda funny--it's like he was trying to nod to the beat, but his whole body language conveyed utter confusion.
dllnw
I still think that Clay's stronger than Adam, Felicia and Rebecca. His problem is he can't work w/ others... I think Adam is next to go.
Nutjob

I am so glad that Randal did not get fired. He was just so gracious in the boardroom. His only possible flaw is that he does not fight for himself, which is probably a flaw in the business world, but it is such a good character trait.[/quote]

This can be seen as a good thing, though. IMO, employees who own up to their mistakes and learn from them are also usually extremely loyal and will work their hardest to make sure it never happens again. Randal strikes me as this type.

And while Randal may not be the most creative, well, Trump did hire Kelly, so I'd still say that Randal is the front runner. heh.


I still think that Clay's stronger than Adam, Felicia and Rebecca. His problem is he can't work w/ others... I think Adam is next to go.[/quote]

I agree (although I'd probably put Clay about even with Rebecca). I think Clay is more creative, a better salesperson, and more savvy than either Adam or Felicia. But yeah, he can't work with others, and he also has severe diarrhea of the mouth.
Cherry Wire
Did anyone else see this task and think, "they're all posers"?

They seem to do this at least once a season, designing a task around some glamorous, creative industry and asking us to suspend disbelief and pretend these beancounters are actually qualified to do what music producers and movie directors and fashion designers do.

Rebecca: "I like listening to music, so I think I could get into producing it". I wonder how many actual music producers (many of whom won't even get to sniff an opportunity like this) were smacking their foreheads hearing that. I'm sure these Apprentices like to think they're good at everything, and that it's inevitable that they'll just waltz into their fantasy job, but just wishing it's true isn't enough. This extends to Carolyn and Trump, although I'll give George a pass because he's actually worked in radio.

I agree, this episode should have brought back the hilariously awesome "Rubble Man."
highlander
I just looked at the photos of this task on yahoo. The caption under CE's singer, Levi Kreis, says that Excel listened to him first but rejected him and when CE heard him, they snapped him up. IMO, even if Excel took him, Rebecca would have screwed it up anyway. Felisha was smart to firmly tell the musicians not to make it sound like jazz. Rebecca got stuck in what she wanted and not what the executives were looking for.
Bobbalouie78

As for Rebecca's 0-2 record, wasn't Kwame 0-2 on the first season and made it to the final 2[/quote]

I think I read something recently about Kwame being the only final candidate ever who had no wins as PM.

Glad George is back. He so much better than Bill.

I can get Trump firing Clay over Rebecca, even considering the win/loss records. Clay's wins were always when the other team tanked, not him doing a good job. Beyond those wins, he was always mentioned as a problem on beyond those teams he was in. Rebecca's previous loss was easily blamable on what's her name, the cake lady. She was never mentioned (as far as we know) as a problem player and several times was the best on a losing team.

I've lost track of how many weeks have gone by, but shouldn't Rebecca's cast have come off by now? soonish?
tiggeril

And while Randal may not be the most creative, well, Trump did hire Kelly, so I'd still say that Randal is the front runner. heh.
[/quote]
Yeah, this was bad, but nowhere near as bad as "CHECK THE BOX!" Lord, was that cringe-inducing.
Jeebus Shuttlesworth
[Topic, please.]


I agree, this episode should have brought back the hilariously awesome "Rubble Man."[/quote]
"Ladies, if you see us in the club...freak-in'...it's the Rubble Man. YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS!" That song was 100x better than both the artists tonight. It's got a beat, and you can dance to it! I give it a 75.

As much as I hate to give Felisha credit, she understood exactly what she needed to do to win this task (re: making it not so "jazzy"). I personally enjoyed that artist's jazz influences, but Felisha correctly remembered that the focus of the station was on alt-pop-rock. Rebecca did not understand that this task was about making a song that appeals to bland, rich snobs who have sucky musical taste.

Clay goes out like a whiny bitch with no self-awareness.

Rebecca will probably be eliminated soon. She has a terrible PM record, and she's been on most of the losing teams. I do not think losing this task was her fault, because she had to deal with Clay's screwups.

Did anyone notice the weird smirk on Carolyn's face when Trump was slobbering over Miss Universe? Heh. And the hell? Trump owned the land UNDER the Empire State Building? What did he have down there, a wine cellar? Crematorium?
KerleyQ

Was it just me, or did anyone else think that Trump was going to say he owned the Statue of Liberty?
[/quote]

I couldn't pay attention to the rest of the helicopter trip because Mr. KerleyQ and I were coming up with ways Trump would change the Statue of Liberty if he owned it--miniskirt, lowcut top, boob job, makeup, etc..

I think Rebecca's real issue with Clay's "What About Me" song was that it was "All About Clay". This was him projecting his issues onto the singer and trying to write his story for him as being as whiney as Clay. I had to crack up sometimes when Clay would be doing his Clay shtick, being an ass, and the singer just had this look on his face like "How the hell do you two deal with this jackhole?"

I think this task was one of, if not the, most pointless TA tasks ever. What the hell does that have to do with working for Trump? Clearly he had XM signed on as a sponsor and had to do something with them, but this sucked. Doing promo's for the show or doing an XM Cafe sponsored coffee house event with one of the singers would have been better. But writing a song? The hell??

And Hee! on Carolyn's expression in that whole Ms. Universe segment. You just know she's like "I love my job, I even have some affection for this guy, but I hate the portion of his company that exists to satisfy his horndog side and keep him in potential new wives."

I would have been pissed off if Randall got fired for the wrong channel on the poster. Even on of the XM execs said it wasn't that big of a deal, and it's clearly not what lost them the task. Hell, making a poster wasn't even a part of the task, it was an extra thing they did.
intrepide
I looooooved George's comments about the radio business: Hard rock? It's terrible. What, we can sell lots of advertising with it? I love it!

I don't think Randal will hold Rebecca's boardroom tactics against her. He's savvy enough about the situation and about people to realize she's just playing the game. If anything, he'd probably be kicking himself for not coming up with some moves himself.

Felisha -- argh I hate the phonetic spelling, though it could be worse "Feleesha" -- impressed me with how she managed the task and the studio band. It would have been interesting, however, to see how she led a less cohesive team.
Batrochides
This week's was easily the bleh-ist bleh task that ever blehhhh'ed. Shoot-in-the-dark selection of a winning artist, amateurs writing songs, random calls from listeners determining the result...this looked like a purpose-created task that would let Trump give the finger to the candidate he liked least in general; just forget about who was responsible for the loss.

Not that I cared, really, 'cause Her Majesty the Queen has finally left the building.

Still, I thought that TD was unnecessarily harsh in rapping his hand on the table before doing the cobra on Clay. That was something I'd expect and would think appropriate when directed against a flagrant failure like A2's Ivana, and, pissy beotch that Clay was, his 2-0 record and moderate behavior in tonight's boardroom should not have warranted such contempt. I was surprised to see Clay walk away from Trump with a bit of class (the only instance of it this week from him); not surprised at all to watch him get back into poisonous spider mode outside the BR and in the cab.

Felisha had excellent editing...did she actually have some intelligent and insightful thoughts that weren't transmitted by word, writing, or telepathy from Alla?

Two tasks in a row that Randal didn't look like he was 100% in the game. God, this had better be mere editing to build up suspense, or Alla will have him for dinner the same way she'd have Rebecca for breakfast.

Unless Randal or Alla somehow fail before the final task, there is no way that Rebecca can be in the final 2. If the final 2 are Alla and Rebecca, refer to my previous statement on Alla's breakfast.
Tupelohoney78
Regarding the Trumpicopter tour, does anyone else think Trump ought to be honest and just name his next building "Trump's giant penis"?
gastrolyor

And while Randal may not be the most creative, well, Trump did hire Kelly, so I'd still say that Randal is the front runner. heh.[/quote]

But Kelly IS creative -- he designed one of the jackets during the fashion task (though I don't think it made it in), and he seemed to be with Ivana on the fit wheel thing. And I think he came up with the design for the Pepsi bottle. We haven't seen anything like that from Randal, so I'd rank him behind Kelly in terms of creativity.

And I don't think it's necessarily a great character trait that Randal doesn't defend himself. You can defend yourself without going on the attack, but Randal isn't great with that either. When told by Trump that what he'd done was a fireable offense, he didn't jump back in and say, "I think it was a mistake, but not one worthy of firing, because..." or "Maybe so, but there are other factors that contributed to the loss and could be considered fireable offenses, such as..."

I think Randal's a good guy and he's got great credentials, but I still don't think he's going to bring a puppy back to life anytime soon.
ReillysRevenge
[Topic, please.]

I liked this task because I'm such a huge XM fanatic. But I don't get why in the hell any business people would be expected to write songs as part of a job interview.

I'm thrown off this season by all the actor resemblances: Now that Clive Owen, Christie Brinkley and Reese Witherspoon are gone, we're left with Kim Cattrall, David Schwimmer and Sandra Bullock. And Randal, who resembles no one, is going to win.

Oh, and neither musician had a particularly compelling life story.
azchileheads
Reilly - what about Alla? SHE'S going to win, but I honestly can't think of who she lookes like.................
cudareef
Kwame wasn't 0-2 as PM entering the finals against Bill. He was 1-2. He won the Atlantic City casino task as PM. I think Rebecca will finish 1-2 as PM and move on to the interviews where Alla or Felisha will get fired. Then Rebecca vs Randal in the final.
cudareef
On the final tasks if Randal gets Clay, Melissa, and Toral will he be able to handle them? Rebecca or Alla, as I said I think Rebecca, can get Markus, Jennifer M, and Josh. Could Rebecca deal with these people? And do you think Clay, Melissa, Toral < Brian, Chris, Kristin (the 3 who helped Tana on the final task in season 3)?
blocked writer

But I don't get why in the hell any business people would be expected to write songs as part of a job interview. [/quote]

I think this was an insult to songwriters and producers everywhere. I actually think both teams did well with the songwriting aspect, under the circumstances. But it would have been so much better IMO, if they had to pick the best musician, with the best song that they wrote themselves. Or I would have liked to have seen both teams come up with a line-up of three or four artists and put on a mini-concert for the station.
hapless
Stupid task but the sponsor must be involved. Did you see Adam's expression when the task was announced? Oh no, more music and singing!

I think Randal was behind the selection of Jide, because Randal's bio is full of black-centric studies and the books he lists as faves. I think he influenced the Nigerian guy to be selected. At least he was the better singer and less bland than the Levi guy.

I had a "Friends" moment when Rachel, Ross, and Phoebe, no, I mean Alla, Adam, and Felisha were composing the song and singing and the guitar playing.

Poor Alla! She gets all the sucky rewards. Mark Burnet, what's with the cheap rewards? At least the winners should have gotten XM Radio receivers and 1 year free service. I was waiting for Trump to say he owned the Statue of Liberty.


I agree that Rebecca is cunning but I also don't trust her. When she stuck up for Toral, she told Trump that none of the other women have a prayer to win this and insulted all the other women while they sat there.[/quote]

I have always maintained that Rebecca is a very cunning BR player but awful as a PM. This is why it's Randall and Rebecca as the final 2. Randall has to win and Rebecca will fail. Alla could beat Randall as a finalist.

I can't wait until the losers return to "help" the final 2 PMs. Remember Tana's crew? So Clay, Markus, Marshawn, JenZanthura, Toral, and Brian, I can't wait to see you.
agentnojo

I was waiting for Trump to say he owned the Statue of Liberty.[/quote]

Actually, he owns the land under it.
ralphiejax
I'm guessing it wouldn't have been allowed, but how (not) cool would it have been for CE to have given Clay immunity, then toss him over the fence to Excel?

============

Also, a couple more examples of the music Cafe plays:


A mellow approach to modern adult Alternative music. . .Dave Matthews Band, Shawn Colvin, Tracy Chapman, David Gray, Sheryl Crow, Sarah McLachlan, Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison. . .all in a coffee-house atmosphere.[/quote]

and


What you'll hear: Dave Matthews Band : Crash Into Me ::: Tracy Chapman : Telling Stories ::: David Gray : Babylon ::: Natalie Merchant : Carnival ::: Sting : Brand New Day ::: Shawn Colvin : Sunny Came Home ::: Santana : Love of My Life ::: Bonnie Raitt : Nick of Time ::: Van Morrison : New Biography ::: Sarah McLachlan : Building a Mystery[/quote]
Midnightmom

And, I'm sorry, but I still don't understand the segue between Miss Universe and XM radio. That was clunky. [/quote]
I had something to do with the Miss Universe Pageant being a talent contest and the radio stations always being on the lookout for new talent.

Baaaaaaaaaaaad connection, but not as lame as some of the others this season.

How can you own the land under a building, but not own the building? And that begs the question, Who owns the land under the other buildings that he said he owns?
debng

I think Trump has a crush on Rebecca. Her boardroom skills are almost hypnotic. Everytime she goes to the boardroom she seems to come out stronger than before. Now she's a superstar? Wow. If you didn't know better you'd have thought Randall and Rebecca were currently even when it came to their current standing in the Apprentice. At this rate she could win this thing and have one of the worst winning records of any apprentice.[/quote]

I don't quite get the Rebecca thing. The only time she really impressed me was when she volunteered to present during the Star Wars task, and even that was just average. I wouldn't say her presentation blew me away at all. Frankly she lost me after the whole Toral debacle. If she makes it to the final two, or even the final four, I'll be forever wondering why.

Up until this week, Randal had my vote to win this thing. Last night I learned he was human and does, indeed, make mistakes. At this stage of the game, mistakes have to be minimal. I'm leaning towards Alla to take home the prize.
Soupy Drek
Nicely played Mr. Trump! Yes, the fact that Randal and Rebecca have been solid on previous tasks should certainly factor into your decision. Yes, they messed up, but I think their track record should be a factor in your decision.

I wasn't really all that bugged about Randal having the wrong station number on the poster. I think they should have just said it's a prototype, not a finished product. I know it was a silly mistake, but, at least from what they showed us, I had the impression the XM execs weren't really bothered by it.

And a show devoted to XM and no Opie & Anthony? For shame!
Flootoona

'What About Me?' Off the top of my head, Kris Kristofferson wrote and sang a song with that title. Likewise Robert Cray. Dino Valenti when he was with 'the Quicksilver Messenger Service. Richie Havens and Terry Collier covered (seperately) the Valenti song.

Manly men all.[/quote]


Okay, now this is driving me bat shit crazy. Helen Reddy (ptuii) had a song virus with the chorus:

He-e-e-e-e-ey, what about me?
I've got some feelings on my mind, too

He-e-e-e-e-ey, what about me?
I'd like to have a song to sing, too


And that sonofabitch is stuck so firmly in my head by now, my only hope is to pass it along to some other poor sucker and hope it sticks.

<evil cackle>
Slade2

To me, a two-time loss as PM pretty much says it all. I don't know if Trump is keeping Rebecca around because of her injury or what. So far Rebecca has shown nothing in the way of being even moderately competant. Both times she's has taken zero respobnsibility for her team's loss and sat there and thrown people under the bus.[/quote] This was my issue with her last week. Sure, Marshawn screwed up, but what the hell did Rebecca do before Marshawn gave up the presentation? Nothing. She just complains behind everyone's back.
I agree that Rebecca is cunning but I also don't trust her. When she stuck up for Toral, she told Trump that none of the other women have a prayer to win this and insulted all the other women while they sat there. Randal surprised me by not saying anything to counter Rebecca's charge. I think maybe he was blindsided by her because in the suite, she was saying things to him about Clay and acted like she was only going to go after Clay. I hope Randal sees her for what she is and makes sure she doesn't get the better of him next time. Otherwise, he will be seen as weak by Trump and the viceroys. Randal is very classy and polite but he needs to see that when Rebecca goes after him like that, he needs to defend himself strongly.[/quote] It will be Kwame and Omarosa all over again. (I knew Kwame couldn't win over Bill as soon as Kwame didn't stand up to Omarosa. That kind of weakness is inexcusable.) I respect classy and polite, but if Randall allows Rebecca to screw him again, he'll have to go. Last night, Randall could have easily turned this into a Rebecca firing despite his mistake. All he had to do was ask Trump why the team lost the task, then go on to explain Rebecca's decision to choose the song and her inability to control Clay. He could have said she's been flying under the radar since the Toral debacle (though I don't know how much he knows about that) and only steps up when she has no other choice. Then he could have let the door close in her face when they left the boardroom. I was annoyed that he helped her with her bag.
Such bullshit. Rebecca is being kept around...why?[/quote]I've been wondering for a while.
Trump was probably thrilled that Randal visibly tripped up so he can play his "i'm not sure who I'm going to pick" game in the finale.[/quote]I'm with you on this one heebiejeebie. I've been wondering how Trump would get out of hiring Randall and Randall gave him his out.

Does anyone remember who was fired for the Zathura task? It wasn't the woman who kept saying "Zenthura," right? She was fired with the three other guys for the sports display task. So why was Randall's mistake more of a firable offense than doing an entire presentation about a movie float while mispronouncing the movie's title?
tone

I'd like to see Randal win, if he wants to, but I won't be too sad if he doesn't. He's way too good to put up with Trump's shit.[/quote]Wordy McWord to that. Key word: if he wants to.

I wonder if there is going to be a develop/market real estate type of task this season?

I agree with the posters upthread that said Clay deliberately opened the door before he was supposed to. This is not the end of him either because that's the assy-type behaviour that will guarantee him coming back the screw one of the final two.

I could see Clay, Toral and Kristi coming back for the finale because they were difficult. Also, I could see Jenthura and Markus coming back for their stupidty. This has the potential of being a good finale.

ETA: A verb is always a good thing to have in a sentence!
benrod1
I think that Randal's mistake was way over blown. During the presentation one of the XM guys turned to the other and brought out the mistake with the channel, the other guy basically brushed it off as "small detail", meaning I guess, "Hey it can be fixed easily and quickly. Besides, that's not why this presentation sucks." It was the song choice. I dont get how you decide to go against the programming of the radio show, especially since the whole selling point of satellite radio is the fact that all the channels are specific to a particular group or interest. The teams' song may have worked on another channel or show but not the one the customer wanted to promote. This loss was about not listening to the customer, and that goes against the PM.
ellisbell
I have come to the personally painful conclusion that if Felisha looked like Rebecca and Rebecca looked like Felisha, I'd think Felisha was brilliant and talented and Rebecca was hardly better than adequate.

Although I would still have trouble with how Felisha spells her name and her fashion choices.

My favorite moment was Rebecca sizing up Miss Universe. I could just hear her thinking, "Can I take her? Yeah, I can take her."

One should never underestimate the power of a very smart very attractive brunette.
natashapierre
[quote]Rebecca is being kept around...why? [/quote]

The Donalid is blinded by his crush. As are many viewers, probably.

On the other hand, when she's been a possibility for firing, there have always been other even riper candidates such as Clay. He had his wins, but how are you going to keep somebody who's explicitly been pointed to by practically everybody else in the place as someone they can't ever work with again? Of course, he'll probably be brought back as part of the team for one of the unlucky final two!

[quote]I found it quite strange that Rebecca and Randall were so hot for Clay. Don't they all live together? Surely the Apprenti have noticed how trouble always followed him! "I thought he was cool ......until I worked with him." Snerk.[/quote]

I think they figured that if they were nice to him he might spare them. Fat chance with Clay, obviously. He really does hang on like an attack dog, long after the actual provocation ought to be behind him, as Alla said.

[quote]I think the losing team's big mistake was picking the wrong type of singer. I mean, he was a good singer and all but I think for a task like that you should try to just make the catchiest song you can find,[/quote]

I pretty much agree with this, but if they'd given a good listen to the station, they clearly could have picked up on what the song needed to fit in there. Look how quickly Felisha figured out that her song was going in the wrong direction, and all she needed to do was tell the musicians what sound she was looking for and they delivered it immediately. It was trying to push the envelope and not listening to what the station actually plays that did them in. ... Seems to me that part of that was Rebecca's snob factor again -- these particular listeners are smart and educated, so they'll like having their envelope pushed ...


[/QUOTE]noticed it too and it really annoys the hell out of me. It's kind of makes her seem like she's better than everyone else here. She really did not do anything up to this task, and she didn't do anything this time either. Usually when other team members screw up, it all comes back to PM, at least to some degree.
[QUOTE]

This phenomenon was even more striking on the Tethno-Expo task, where somehow Rebecca didn't notice that there were mistakes all over the place and the dang thing didn't have any kind of theme or attractive feature. The signs said stuff like "station one." It was her job -- in my opinion -- to make sure it did have those things and to be aware of and push for elimination of the flaws in indivdiual aspects of that task. Yet even though the whole thing looked like it was put together by kind of lazy fifth-graders, Rebecca wasn't called on it for a second. Now, there, I suppose her foot may have had something to do with it. But I think the big Trump crush has more to do with it, since history has now completely repeated itself. Once again, she missed the entire point of the task, which the execs articulated up front -- put together a song that fits our format.
Cheynem
The boardroom seemed perfunctory. It reminded me of the first season boardroom between Katrina and Amy when no one was really at fault more than the other but there was no way Trump was going to fire Amy over Katrina. In this case, Clay was the obvious third wheel. He also didn't seem to either be given a chance or try himself to present an argument--he would have had valid ammo against Rebecca for going with the unorthodox musician.

Randal's mistake seemed kind of overblown. Yes, it was a sloppy error. But it was an error on a project he took on his own initiative and for something that (apparently) wasn't released yet anyway. It wasn't like the whole project was the ad and that's all they were being graded on. I thought he took it like a man, and I think Trump was just trying to rattle him with the talk of firing.

Trump's boardroom monologue seemed odd. When he mentioned history, I eventually realized he was referring to Clay's past history in fighting with teammates. Originally, I had no idea where he was going. I thought he was going to channel Jack McCoy and ask if the team had seen the movie "The Third Man."
Pasticcia
Trump definitely has a crush on Rebecca, who I think hasn't been the worst candidate but in no way has been the best. Felisha really showed her up in this episode. Rebecca has a talent for a snappy confessional comment and a quick and nasty boardroom crack, but I don't see anything else there that would qualify her for a job with Trump. I agreed with last night's firing, but I think Rebecca was lucky that Clay had been so obviously hard to deal with. Given that, I'm certain that he'll be back in the last task for some unlucky PM. Since I am an Alla fan, if she manages to get that far, I hope he's someone else's problem and not hers. That having been said, I can see her doing what Kwame didn't and saying 'Clay, you're fired (again). Get the hell away from here...'

And edited to add that it looks to me that Alla and Felisha are this season's Kwame and Troy. If Alla does make the Final Two, I think Felisha would be a loyal and helpful 2IC. If Felisha does, I think that Ice-Cold Alla would do the same for her.
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