So much word to this. I get the impression, at the very least, that there is verbal abuse going on there. I was really disturbed by the things he said last night. He acted like an angel to get her back, and now is back to his old self. I doubt this was just "one moment".

Did anyone else think she didn't look that happy in the parking garage after Jason grabbed her and kissed her?

The fact that we know that they now bought a condo in LA together does not make me root for them and their all-enduring lurve. It just makes LC look bad.

I felt so bad for Lauren. All she wanted was a nice new years. Jason is so jelous. She is too good for him but she is in love with the yutz (or atleast she thinks she is) so he has no need to be so worried about her leaving him for David or any other guy. Also ITA agree with the person that says this is a typical Hight School relationship. Scary but true. But Lauren is so much more mature than a teenager I am sad that she gets wrapped up in all this.

Also I loved how she brought that huge black duffle bag purse that Jason gave her to New Years Eve. I know that she only wore it that night because Jason gave it to her. And while it was nice and I am sure she loved it I doubt that she would have used it for New Years Eve if he hadn't given it to her. I kinda thought it was cute.

ETA: I love Heidi now too. That was sweet of her to leave with lauren. I like her now.

I'm totally on the Heidi love train after she chose to leave the party to be with Lauren. I think Jordan deserves props, too, because his New Year's Eve was ruined, too. Even though most guys aren't as sentimental about the holidays as their female counterparts.

Did anyone notice that when the guys were getting out of the limo Jason had two "cigarettes" one was in his mouth and another was in his hands at the same time. I paused my DVR thinking it might just be the editing, but you you see both cigarettes in the same frame. I doubt he was holding the other one for Jordan (I'm not sure if he smokes) because he had it in the hand that he was using to hold all the flowers and it didn't seem like Jordan had his hands full and surely there were ashtrays in the limo. I've heard that if you smoke a cigarette while smoking marijuana or if you smoke a cigarette imediately after smoking weed it intensifies the high. I wonder if that's what Jason was doing.

Last thing, how cute was it that Jordan gave Heidi one of the flowers from Jason's garden? When Jason came back in the picture and gave Lauren the "tree" she said that her dad said that "flowers mean I'm sorry and chocolate means I love you." I guess this must mean Jason's really sorry.


I'm way too invested in this crap.

Agreed. The fact that they were even able to get a stretch limo and bouquet of yellow roses in about twenty minutes tipped me off.

Am I getting old and senile or was this ep extra difficult to follow?

I wonder how much those tres tackey dog tags cost? They must be making money hand-over-fist in those interning jobs!

I did too. That's why I can't be too hard on Lauren and say she completely crumbled when he came back to her. It was obvious that she was still terribly annoyed and basically decided to go with the whole JasonIsSorryAndBroughtYouFlowers crap by the sheer "force" of Jason's begging.

I agree with an earlier post and believe when the relationship is under a microscope for the whole world to see, it will be easy to think Lauren is a fool for being with Jason, or that Jason is an awful boyfriend. We can be sanctimonious all we want but the truth is there is nobody who can claim to having been in a relationship who hasn't had to compromise a little of his or herself for the other person. It's an ugly truth, but truth nevertheless.

Oh, and Heidi is great!

I don't think it was that difficult considering the limo was their's and it looked like the flowers were being sold on the street outside the club.

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Thank you, I thought I was just PMS-ing! That puppy was really cute.

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I loved that line! Other people might have sounded insincere or just shallow, but her delivery was perfectly light-hearted.

Poor Lauren. I dated a guy like Jason once so I totally can relate to being in love with a total renob, I'm sure the good times make it worth it in her mind. That mind-f*ck where he acts like she is always making mistakes when actually he is being ridiculously jealous for no good reason is a good indication that he is still a cheater.

I'm boarding the HeidiLOVE! train after last night. That was a very nice thing she did for LC, ditz or not.

Jason IS an ass. I agree with everyone here who is worried about LC. Gossip says that she doesn't really talk to anyone from Laguna anymore and last night my inquiry was answered, because it's obvious as hell it's Jason who doesn't really LET her interact with her old friends. I hope she dumps this looser, because after last night's episode I don't see how her parents would approve of their relationship.

And BWA! to Jordan busting his ass. Too funny.

MORE WHITNEY PLEASE!!!

I've never seen her just be a good friend to anyone on the three years she's been on television, and I've never seen her pass up an opportunity to be melodramatic and mopey, so that's what I base it on. I don't think Lauren is a terrible person or anything, she just annoys me.

I don't know, I guess I just don't view anything that Jason has done as all that heinous. That fight was ten times more tame than the aggressively psychotic Kristin-Stephen fight from LB1, and I don't think Stephen's abusive. I could be totally wrong though, because there was that rumor about Jason slamming Alex M.'s head into the wall.

I'm not quite on her love-train yet but she did come through for Lauren last night. I'll stop short of nominating her for sainthood because, hell, that's what your friends are supposed to do.

As for Lauren...if I were her, I would not be waiting in the basement for him, no matter what he said. Turn the cell phone off, go out with Heidi and let that asshat come down off of whatever he was on. Wilted flowers and a sloppy kiss that he won't remember tomorrow do not get that boy off the hook.

Oooh, is that why she looks like that?!

I fell asleep before the show started last night, which is odd because I usually fall asleep somewhere right in the middle.

How do they afford these things? Does money grow on trees over there?

I really feel sorry for that poor little puppy.

TVgasm recap of the latest episode.

Has anybody noticed that on both The Hills and Laguna Beach, the supporting characters almost always end up overwhelming the main characters and become the most interesting/entertaining features?

The more I watch this show the more I dislike LC. She needs to dump Jason ASAP. He's unreasonably jealous, controlling, threatens to break up with her, tells her she's always making mistakes in their relationship, is an obvious druggie, is living off of his parents/grandparents' money, has no future.. is there anything good about him??? I don't know why any girl would let herself be treated like that. I don't care if he always makes it up to her. You can fake being sweet, but you can't fake being an ass.

I'm now also on the Heidi love train.

Well, all of the wasted hours I've spent watching this ridiculous, tedious, heavily scripted, heavily edited "show" finally paid off when Jordon slipped and cracked his ass. There is a God after all.

Something tells me that adorable puppy is either already dead, or at least doomed. Yeah, Heidi was nice last night, but that's what a friend is suppose to do. Plus, I don't think that Heidi lets the camera stray too far from her and probably figured she'd get more exposure giving Lauren a shoulder to cry on than she would succumbing to her inner partywhore (well, outer, really) and staying at the club. Heidi is still a massive moron, imo. And a dog for Xmas? Kind of makes me think of all of the stupid parents out there who do the same thing for their 5 year old brats and 3 months later you see those dogs at the animal shelter up for adoption because little Johnny just couldn't handle the responsibility. Poor dog. I can't help but think that Bella ended up just being a passing fancy for little miss featherbrain.

Lauren's hair did look good last night...but only because it looked like she actually bothered to wash it and give it a proper blowout for once. Didn't she get her hair colored? I ask, because she was still sporting some tragic looking roots on New Year's Eve. Warren Tricomi should be embarrassed.

Yes she did. And so did Heidi. It think Lauren is wearing that thick headband all the time because she doesn't want to show her roots.

I loved the curls! Did anyone else notice her nickname for him is bub or something like that... She called him that when he called her at the salon.

It's sad that I even know this, but there is a pic of Heidi's dog on Jordan's MySpace. Not sure when it was taken, but the dog looks bigger so she kept her for a little while, anyway.

This may have already been discussed, but I haven't found it yet. How, exactly, is Jason, who is not even twenty years old and jobless, driving a Range Rover and buying Chanel bags? In addition to his coke habit? What does he do for money?

Wow has it been that long? Laguna Beach started in 03? It doesn't seem like its been that long. Anyway..I think Lauren has been a true and normal friend to Lo, Heidi, and Jen, at least from what I've "seen" - she's as good of a friend as anyone else I've seen on these shows. She's never been in the postiton to be the "awww" friend to a girl with an asshole boyfriend. I love Heidi tho.

I haven't seen last nights episode yet but I disagree that people who are under the influence have the ability to self censor themselves.

Also re the roots. I get my hair highlighted like that and its not like a full color where every hair on your head is the same color..its like stripes..and its done that way to look more natural than all one color hair. And it does.

Laguna Beach started in 04', not 03', but the Hills would mark Lauren's 3rd season of a television show.

Oh ok..so its been not even 2 years yet. That seems more right.

I know, and that's what I found so baffling. I get my hair colored the exact same way (honey blonde lowlights with buttery blonde highlights) and I don't have roots on the highlighted sections immediately following coloring. I know that the whole point of blending the various colors is so that there isn't this severe root as the hair starts to grow out, but hers still looked half-assed to me. Maybe it was just the lighting...

I'm beginning to wonder if Lauren is sampling some of Jason's blow, because she is starting to look a little rode hard and greasy herself.

Jason is one thoughtful dude, sucking down a cigarette a mere minute before he plans on laying a hot NYE kiss on Lauren. Sexy. I can see why she can't resist him. Jobless, mumbly, and probably stinking of sweat and cigarettes...mmmm mmmm, who can blame her?

Aw, I don't think Heidi's a moron. I think she was genuinely being a good friend to Lauren, once again. She had her laughing and joking by the end of the cab ride, and I think she deserves an award just for that, seeing as how serious and melodramatic Lauren is ALWAYS.

When Jason grabbed Lauren's head and said that really awesome line about just not talking and listening to him, he seemed really forceful. I would have no trouble believing that he gets a bit physical sometimes. I'd also have no problem believing that Lauren would stick with him even if he did.

Shallow notes- Lauren, black and white are not the only colors that clothes come in. Also, I hated Heidi's NYE dress.

what DOES jason do? for all of the wealth that she accumulates by being a trust-fund baby, Lauren is still motivated and goes to school/has an internship. WTF does Jason do?? other than smoke crack and attack people with boquets of drunken regret?

It's been three years of her life. The second half of her senior year of high school, her full freshmen year in college and now her full sophomore year in college. So, yeah two and half years of her life has been filmed, not three. That would make her ridiculous.

Granted the storylines usually revolve around Lauren, so we're likely to see the bits that pertain to her life, but she seems too self-absorbed to be a good friend, in my opinion. When she does decide to care enough to spill out some helpful "advice", it always comes off as condescending and judgmental in my opinion. It's usually accompanied by heavy sighing and a bored demeanor, but that is Lauren's default state so who knows?

I love Lauren & her hot hot ass. I hope she agrees to keep being filmed & that we can watch her on tv for years to come. These 2 1/2 years have absolutely flown by!!

The first part of Lauren and Jason's fight was totally genuine, but after Lauren got in that car and started in with the calculated lines like her tearful, unblinking "Happy News Years Jason" it was all so completely over-the-top that I had to watch with one eye closed. He is an ass, but she is such a VICTIM. ALL THE TIME. I literally cannot remember an episode of LB or the Hills where she hasn't been the victim of someone else's behavior. She needs to shut up and start taking responsibility for her own happiness, and her role in the shitty situations she's constantly in.

Heidi is so cute.

Yep, she was probably dying for a dog just like she was dying to work at Bolthouse. It's my dream puppy! It's my dream job! Whaddya want to bet that after day 2 with Bella she brought it to her boyfriend whining "I didn't know that I would have to feed her EVERYDAY!!!" It probably lives at her parents house.

BTW, did she really say she would cry at home if she didn't get what she wanted for Christmas? Yeah, that's our Heidi...a girl filled with the true meaning of Christmas. Heart of gold on that one, I tell you...

If Heidi can't take care of her dog, maybe Lauren should. She should just forget all the guys who are so shitty to her & get herself a cute little pup to give her the love & affection she needs. I think it would be really good for her, the dog, and even Heidi.

I was referring to how long it had been since Laguna first started, but thanks.


Lauren has greasy hair and she eats babies on tv in a boring way that makes her look like the victim instead of the babies. Must. Never. Forget.

'04, '05 and '06 is three years.

True, but the first season of LB was a fall show, coming in at the end of '04 so it wasn't a full three years. Somewhere between two and three years! My point was that I've seen a lot of L-Sizzle, and none of it makes me think she's a spectacular friend.

You forgot that she's self-righteous, pouty and practically engaged to an emotionally abusive drug addict.

I love how when my friends complain about how idiotic Heidi is and what a clueless ditz she can be and her horrible work ethic, the easiest way to trump that is going, "Well at least she hasn't dated Jason."

I'm not bored by the show or Lauren. If I was, I wouldn't watch it or post on a message board about it. I just don't have the energy and don't care enough to post about shows that bore me or about people who bore me. There's just better things to do in life, and frankly, I don't think I could muster up that kind of negative passion for a tv show or for a 19 year old girl.

Now, I know I'm talking about the old birthday episode, but I noticed something when I saw it on repeat today. I thin Jason was talking to his dealer when he was talking about "you should move in" because he then adds "It would be trouble" or something like that.

Oh! Edited to add...I love Heidi now, too. Totally surprising and cool that she misses her first NYE with Jordan to be with Lauren.

I forgot to mention earlier that I loved how playfully enthusiastic Heidi was about sharing her New Year's kiss with Lauren. It was adorable how hard she was trying to cheer her girl up.

Hmmm, I'm gonna have to disagree with that. I think that if he were talking to his dealer he would have said "you should move in...it would be convenient!" :p

So I just watched the episode (after reading the posts from last night) and I gotta say it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was gonna be from reading the posts here.

Lauren stood up for herself and walked out on him....yeah she caved when he came racing towards her with a giant boquet of flowers (and a cig - ew) crying 'I love you!' 'I'm sorry!..but so would like, most everyone..except for a few hardass bitches who want to put on a drama show..I suppose.

The only parts I rolled my eyes at were Lauren's stupid ass pout, not once, not twice, but THREE times (maybe she has a thing for threes?) and its super annoying how every damn time they show the girls apartment that goofy ass text slides onto the screen letting us know those are "Hillside Villas - West Hollywood" ... its not a cast member ... I hate that.

On my calander and according to my math September 2005 was last year, also known as one year ago (less than a year technically) and September 2004 was not quite two years ago. One TV show season does not equal one year (just ask Donald Trump & Mark Burnett) and what I was saying was it didn't seem like it had been 3 years ago since Laguna premiered.

Bella is as cute as Heidi. I kinda like Jordan more every week. He clearly adores her. As he should.

I completely respect your opinion and sincerely applaud you in taking the high road in your TV viewing, but I'm not sure if TWoP would exist if others, including myself, felt the same. It is television without pity, after all. For me, the only reason to watch this show is for its snark factor, but that is of course just my opinion. None of the people of this show are evil, that's for sure, but they are all so laughably directionless (but who isn't or wasn't at 19?) and one dimensional that I simply can't turn away. Which is why I love to hate this show. Well, that and I keep hoping that we'll get to see some sort of intervention with Jason where he ODs and is forced into rehab, once again if rumors are to be believed.

Lauren is 20.

Well somebody sign that girl up for AARP!!!

Not everyone achieves that magical scale of human perfection by the time they are the ripe old age of 20.

I think both couples have jealousy issues. Jordan totally flew off the handle because Heidi talked to a guy she went on 1 date with. Totally mild and Joran was right there. Yet he makes it all Heidi's fault and tells her she's always wrong.

Same thing with Jason and Lauren. I don't think either relationships are particularly unhealthy. I think both couples are just young and immature.

I like Heidi when she's being a loyal friend but her ditzy bullshit gets really annoying. I worry for that dog. You just know she won't take care of it at all.

I don't think Lauren is a dumbass. Obviously she has good times with Jason but MTV is always only going to show the fights since that's entertaining. In fact, Heidi's one bright moment seems to have explained alot about Jason. I think he's jealous because he's cheated on past girlfriends and doesn't want to be in the position of the cheatee. Doesn't make it right, but it gives him a motive at least, instead of just being a random asshole.

I also take issue with the fact that Lauren seems like a victim. Just because she fought with her boyfriend and then took him back? I thought she stuck up for herself really well and didn't just lay down and take it. I also thought it seemed like she hugged him at that moment but that it wasn't the end of that fight by any means.

I like that The Hills shows girls getting along not back stabbing each other or stealing each other's boyfriends. That's the one thing on LB that really got on my nerves.

Stuck up for herself? When? She repeatedly apologized for something that wasn't her fault and that she had no control over. Yes, she left the club but only a half an hour later she's meeting him downstairs in the garage and letting him kiss her with that nasty ass smoker's breath. Further, Jason likely still got laid and he'll pull the same shit again and again because there were no repercussions. How is that sticking up for herself?Heh. Who'd want them? Neither seem to be a great catch...

I've always heard that as "Babe," but it's said in a not-so-clear way.

Babe and Woobie or something? I have to admit, I found their nicknames for each other very cute.

Ok, how am I the ONLY person to laugh till it hurt when the "snow" came and Jason was excited b/c he thought he was getting free coke at the grove?!

I think it's a possiblity that he's manipulative, thus being emotionally, mentally and verbally abusive towards Lauren. I do remember last season where someone speculated (i can't remember if it was on this board or on the show) that Jason had been physically abusive with either Jessica or Alex M. last year. When he grabbed LC's arm like he did at the benefit it just made me wonder what was going on behind the scenes.

Yes, he may be loving towards her, but I can't help but feel like we're watching some sort of after-school special on teenage date abuse and such.

To me, it seemed like Jordan really lost it when the guy leaned in and said something that insinuated how good Heidi was in bed (I can't remember what it was). I'd say that's a fair reason to get pissed, but I could have read the situation differently than others did.

Jason is a dick. We've seen his jealousy paired with cheating in the past, and I can't imagine why LC wants to stay with him. Particularly after the line about "Shutting up and listening and doing what she was told." That's a major red flag. He is gross.

Things I did like: Jordan falling on his ass and everyone dying of laughter when Heidi said she never got the present she wanted. Two moments that seemed very real.

Rumor has it he's living off his grandparents' money.

I think she apologized because she just wanted the fight to be over with and she obviously didn't want to fight on New Year's Eve. And that was only after arguing with him repeatedly that she had done nothing wrong. And since she totally left his ass flat there, yeah I thought she was sticking up for herself.

And since we don't know what happened after that kiss it's all speculation that she let everything go. She could have also thrown him out on ass after taking the flowers. We have no way of knowing.



Yeah, but he lost it with Heidi. It wasn't Heidi's fault that that guy was a jerk. She wasn't flirting with him and she told Jordan that she was trying to get him to leave. Jordan may feel insecure but that's not Heidi's fault.

Good point. I think I wasn't concerned with Heidi being yelled at in that ep because I was hoping her boss would do it, but you're right, she didn't deserve to have Jordan yell at her.