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pogo

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:12 pm

Oh my poor Alla. Missed out on the designer clothing spree to go traipsing about in a hardhat with Bill? It's enough to make a girl despair...

Magsi2

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:11 pm

I can't believe that these people are supposed to be leaders. Why on earth didn't Rebecca, Marshawn or Brian just immediately say they would be PM? I don't get it. Isn't the point of this "interview" to show that you can lead people, even if you aren't the most knowledgeable on the subject?! Brian was toast from the beginning. We knew Marshawn was gone when she was looking for "cuter" characters for the display. (I can't believe she called it just a DISPLAY). How very NOT smart. It was only the whole point of the darned project! (Idiot!) Besides that, it was supposed to be INTERACTIVE.

I must say Rebecca gained a few points for just taking the presentation and making it work with the time that was available to her. What exactly was Randal doing during all of this stuff? Wouldn't he have been the most passionate about the whole project?

Clay needs to GO! I was so glad to see that he wasn't given the exemption. Alla deserved it, just because of all she did for this task. She really was impressive.

Culturemaven

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:11 pm

Oh Marshawn. What happened? You were so good, why would you shoot yourself in the foot like that? You can fake the presentation. Pretend to be excited about your assy concept.

Clay, you suck. Alla did that whole project without you, and you should not be surprised that you were not granted immunity. And treating your fellow players like they don't matter? Will not play well as the game goes on.

Brian, you were a terrible PM, and you deserved to be fired. I haven't lived in New York since the eighties, and I still know that you always leave extra time to get anywhere, especially in a taxi.

Akai

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:11 pm

This is probably how they'd do "The Greatest Story Ever Told":

Brian: Who should we put in the center of the display?
Rebecca: How about this guy?
Marshawn: That hippie guy with the beard? No, I think Peter is the guy that'll draw more attention.
Randal: I think the other guy is more important in the film.
Marshawn: No. Besides he dies halfway through anyway.[/quote]

Bwahahaha! Actually, after today's pathetic and inexplicable appearance, I think Marshawn would have been more likely to pick some random Roman for her star: "who is this guy in the Centurian's outfit? It's got that red plume. People are going to want to know what the deal is with the new guy with the red plume. They already know who that Jesus guy is and why he gets nailed."

Jodeci

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:13 pm

So much to say! But first of all, I was never a Bill Rancic fan, but I didn't realize he was quite such a cliche-o-mat. Man talks like a bad self-enhancement tape.[/quote]
Big Word to this. I was cringing every time Boyfriend Bill opened his mouth. What awful corporate speak was going to come out next?

I always thought Marshawn was very articulate, but not very helpful. Too bad she proved me right.

I really like Alla's drive, but she complains too much. Donald will have a hard time hiring someone who's all about the "But look what I did! See?"

ETA: Brian, I've only visited NYC three times in my life and even I know that midtown traffic in the middle of the day, heck, at any time, is going to take longer than 15 minutes. Idiot.

dithering

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:14 pm

I love that Trump clearly no longer gives two shits in a biscuit about the rules of his own game, firing people all willy-nilly and in bunches, without even having the PM bring people back to the boardroom.

Marshawn? What a surprise this was tonight- I would not have guessed her "strategy" would be "If I contribute to this task in any way, I could be held responsible for something if we lose! I had better just refuse to do anything." Good thinking there. Even better strategy trying to explain it by saying "Well I thought Rebecca should prove herself finally... what? No, I didn't actually ask her..."

Oh Alla. I know how pissed you were girl. Last week's team got to go shopping at Michael Kors, and when you win you get to hang out in a half-finished building with Bill The Douche? I'm sorry.

Randal, the handsome, chivalrous, kind doctor-five-times-over is also a Star Wars geek? Be still my beating heart.

Peg Amy

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:14 pm

The Star Wars geek in me is really bitter that these people who don't know anything about Star Wars got to make these displays. But Alla did a good job. I want her and Randal in the Final Two v. badly. Rebecca is insanely tough and I like her, but I don't think she's in the same league with Randal and Alla as a business person.

How could Clay possibly think that his team would give him the exemption after he was so rude to them? I actually think we've seen the last of the exemptions period. But his monologue of Eeeevil was so hilarious at the end. If the editors had played the Vader theme music while he was blithering about only looking out for himself, I would have loved them forever.

Brian really seemed to want to go home and he truly dropped the ball with the execs. I thought Randal's concept with good and evil was a good one, but they just had no idea what the execs wanted. I feel sad about what happened with Marshawn, but I can't respect what she did. She didn't want to present cause she was afraid of getting scapegoated and then she didn't even have the balls to be honest in the boardroom.

Her cab ride monologue was one of the best cab rides ever. It was like watching a Stepford Wife robot malfunction. Did she not realize that Brian was in the cab with her?

quaintirene

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:13 pm

And I have to love hearing FelishUGH and Alla tell us over and over that Alla did ALL the work. Of course we can believe them, because they're always unbiased opinion from Bim and Bo. Especially since all I saw Felisha do on this task was dress up in ugly outfits, which is what she always does. [/quote]

I am an Alla-fan, so not unbiased. But we did see Alla doing just about everything and we saw Clay doing nothing much except zoom a production guy.

yadayada

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:13 pm

I think at the current apprenti firing rate, the season may come to an end two weeks for now.

Even if I am to dodge tomatoes for this statement, I have got to get it off my chest. I think Randal is coming off great because so far at least 3 tasks we know of are skewed towards his skills. The old folks home, the Learning Annex and now Star Wars, it is almost like the producers and Trump decided that they need to hire a minority this time around and decided to skew as many tasks as possible in order to enable that person to shine. Let me guess the next task will require the teams to organically synthesize Vaseline in a test lab because Vaseline is the yoogest petroleum jelly lubricant out there.

I am not saying he actually sucks in person, but I wonder what would have happened if the tasks were more like the ones in Season 2 where the contestants had to open a bridal salon, set up a dog washing park, appear on QVC or renovate a home. How much would Randal excel then?

Also, as much effort Alla put into the task, I had to stop myself from screaming STFU lady when she said during the photo shoot that Clay was off somewhere hitting on a producer. Dude, just cause a gay man is behaving civilly to another man that hasn't bitched him out doesn't mean the gay guy is flirting with him. I found that comment almost as offensive as Clay's "tight Jew" comment from last week.

XZero-g

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:15 pm

I can't believe Marshawn out-thought herself to such a degree! She chickened out trying to anticipate the outcome of the poor display and eliminated herself! Wow. But, "other guy"(since I can't remember his name) definitely deserved to get fired.

And I hate Clay now. Before, I thought he might suck less at some point, but clearly he just born that way. He Toral with subtlety.

Muwarr90

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:14 pm

Good Lord -- he's going to be down to firing Carolyn and George soon.[/quote]

Bill still always looks like he's afraid he's going to get fired whenever he's in the board room .

Maybe Trump will bring Kelly Whatshisname up from the basement and fire him.

Why doesn't Trump just fire everyone but Rebecca now? Does he go out of his way to complment her every time or what?

Brent724

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:14 pm

Her cab ride monologue was one of the best cab rides ever. It was like watching a Stepford Wife robot malfunction. Did she not realize that Brian was in the cab with her?[/quote]

I kept looking at Brian and *hoping* he would slap her... ugh.

Fluffy Malone

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:14 pm

I think Marshawn got a little carried away with this week's product...she went to the Dark Side in dramatic fashion.

Yeesh, refusing to do the presentation was just dumb, but her boardroom behavior? Despicable. She waffled, she lied, she tried to talk in circles and contradicted herself multiple times. Her whole plan of avoiding the hot seat by not doing the presentation seemed to backfire due to the fact that she really didn't seem to prepare her defense for why she did that.

I mean, she had to know it would come up, didn't she? How could she not be better prepared to answer that? So stupid! If she had just done the presentation, and done it well, it would have been only Brian fired alone, cut and dried.

And I disagree that she was cut off by Donald and not able to give an explanation...she had multiple opportunities to give a clear answer, but she obviously couldn't say that she didn't want to do it because she didn't want to be targeted when the task failed, and she had no other plausible reason to offer.

maudlin

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:16 pm

Two talented people with lots of potential, including one of my favourites, just got fired. And I'm fine with that because they both deserved it. Brian was a weak leader and made a massive mistake from which the team could not recover. And Marshawn bailed on her team in a foolish attempt to avoid having the responsibility for a loss pinned on her. They wouldn't have won even if she had stayed and given her best possible presentation, but she was still incredibly wrong. In real life, you work your butt off for your team, not just for the current project (which may be merely weak but salvageable, or which may be doomed) but for the benefit of the team as a whole so that you can work to your maximum on any future projects. The Lamborghini task was one where I was still cutting Marshawn some slack. No more. That win was Alla's, too, as I think it was very likely that Marshawn hung back and played CYA there, too.

That said, I think Brian and Marshawn both can have very successful careers. Brian is smart and engaging, and Marshawn has probably learned that the adversarial, zero-sum approach does not serve you well in every situation outside of a courtroom.

It looks as if Randall missed the central importance of Darth Vader, and that's not entirely surprising. He doesn't seem to have the training or instincts of a marketing expert. He does well as a diplomatic leader and as a teacher and motivational speaker, but he lacks the breadth of business experience to be the best overall player in this game.

I think it will still be a Randall-Alla final (with a Rebecca-Alla final a possibility in case an asteroid flattens Randall), but based on what we have seen so far, Alla has the smarts, drive, creativity and fearlessness to win. I still think she's a bitch, but she's a highly competent bitch. Randall can take honourable second place and go back to his original career with an elevated profile and a stronger public presence. I like him a lot more than Alla, but liking isn't everything.

How beautiful that this episode was the one where we saw the birth of Darth Clay. There was an early cut in the show where they went from the Vader mask to the back of Clay's head. Stunning.

DreamAloud

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:16 pm

My favorite part of this episode was the announcer at the very end: "To buy the movie featured in tonight's episode, visit yahoo.com and search for Apprentice Movie." Yeah, because I'm sure a lot of people will need help finding that little indie gem.

Also? Shut up, Clay.

The Palace Worm

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:15 pm

As a bona-fide Star Wars nut practically since birth, I find it next to impossible to believe that Randal would not have DRILLED it into Brian's head that Lord Vader would have to be the CENTRAL character in the display. I just can't believe that Randal would drop the ball in that manner. I'm going with the theory that Randal DID tell Brian, "Vader, Vader, VADER! VADER EVERYWHERE!" and Brian just didn't care. Brian didn't seem to care about a lot of things.

"Tell me everything about Star Wars Randal." Now, as much as we Wars freaks live for that crap, it's not the best idea when you need to make a display so close to cruch time.

MARSHAWN! Toral got fired for not doing a presentation! Were you not paying attention to that?

AuntieKaren

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

Trump: Brian, you're fired.
*pause*
Marshawn, you're fired.
*pause*

Me: Run! Run for your lives, Rebecca and Randal! Nevermind the crutches, ditch the luggage... You. May. Be. Next!

In other news--as much as I dislike Clay, I'm disliking Alla, Felisha, and Adam even more. They "let" him be PM, then bitched and whined about it for the entire episode. Alla's very competent, but the woman is just hateful.

Go Randall!

JTMacc99

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:16 pm

1. Trump called her Martian at one point!

2. Martian couldn't tell Carolyn that she didn't want to present because she suspected that the team might just be making her do it to set her up for the failure. And because of that, I was so very, very disappointed. At least Randal and Alla have yet to let me down.

3. After the world's greatest recap last week, Jacob so doesn't deserve more singing next week. That's just mean.

TiffanyNichelle

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

And I disagree that she was cut off by Donald and not able to give an explanation...[/quote]

She was cut off several times but because she kept starting the same prepared speech over and over again. Only sometimes she would use Rebecca's name instead of Brian.

Trump practically had her spot in the final two ready and waiting and she screwed herself out of it.

In other news--as much as I dislike Clay, I'm disliking Alla, Felisha, and Adam even more. They "let" him be PM, then bitched and whined about it for the entire episode. Alla's very competent, but the woman is just hateful.[/quote]

Alla and Felisha pissed me off more. Adam just kinda went along with them. I think that he and Clay could have sat down and hashed things out if Alla and Felisha hadn't swooped in to keep up the tension in the group. They use Adam to keep Clay on the outside until they can get him fired and then they will turn on Adam. Then each other.

stopeslite

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

I wonder if she thought Star Wars was trivial or beneath her.[/quote]

No, I think her problem was that she tried too hard to "play the game". She specifically said in her side-terview that she didn't want to be the presenter because if they failed, then Brian would pin it on her as the presenter. It's like we're in a strange part of the season where everyone is so concerned about being pegged for firing, they don't want to actually do anything. Hence, they lose, and get fired anyway. She should have known better, and she deserved to get fired.

Rebecca had it spot-on. I think her reason that she stepped up to try and get the bickering over with was only a half-truth; she realized that win or lose, she would be the one who stuck her neck out to try and save the project, and would be untouchable. Win, and it's partly her win; lose, and it's because she had so little time to prepare but was TRYING. I'm looking at you, Marshawn.

Brian, what the heck was that about trying to pin the loss on Randall? Dude, if he wasn't around, you would have had NOTHING. Sure, Randall's ideas weren't the best in the world, but they were sure better than your "who are all those people again?" depth of knowledge about the movie. And the time of departure? You should have been waiting outside the conference room by 9:55, not leaving home at 10.

Clay I now consider to be just as delusional as Markus. Did you see how surprised he was when Alla said that she had done 90% of the work? It was like he really didn't believe that she had. Even Boyfriend Bill had commented on Clay's lack of a clue - I just wish he had mentioned that to Trump in the boardroom, too. "Clay's team won, but Clay really sucked, Mr. Trump." And how Bill told them about teamwork, and working to win, and doing your best, and Clay came away from it with "screw everyone else".... I really, really hope he completely implodes next week. With the stuff about loyalty, I was worried at the beginning that it was a reference to Alla and Clay, and she would end up fired for dissing Clay's lack of leadership skills in the boardroom, but then it was clear fast enough that they'd win.

flopod2000

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

What the hell? I love that Trump is firing people left and right, since it adds some credibility to the whole “interview” process.

Even if Brian knew exactly how long it would have taken to get to the meeting, wouldn’t he want to arrive early? It seems foolhardy to allow only15 minutes of travel time to get anywhere in New York.

As much as I like Marshawn, she really made a mistake, when she backed off of the presentation. After the missed meeting with the executives, she could have talked in tongues and Brain still would have been fired. While I can understand not wanting to be associated with a poor presentation, this is one of those situations Marshawn needed to play along.

anwen

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:19 pm

Well, that was not how I expected Marshawn to go down. How damn short is this season going to be, anyway? Although I did wonder why they never considered having Randal do the presentation, since he's the only one who apparently would know what he was talking about. And Rebecca? You did better than I would on that short notice, but "good" and "darkness" aren't precisely opposites. Parallel structure is your friend!

During one of the interviews with Clay, did they have him, like, standing inside a hedge?

Awww, Randal. You get down with your SW fanatic self! (I'm mostly indifferent to Star Wars myself, but the men I love, not so much). He looked so sad in the Boardroom, too.

I don't remember past seasons having so many candidates who were unable to maintain a modicum of self-control in the boardroom. If Clay grimaced in "appalled" "shock" and "betrayal" anymore, he'd sprain something. And when she's on the hotseat, Marshawn starts making faces, too. It really does make Rebecca's polish--and addressing people by name--stick out. Although the cab ride, with Marshawn going back into aloof analysis while Brian just sits there in disgusted despair? Was pretty awesome.

I loved how when Carolyn asked about the presentation, and Trump cut her off to say, "Absolutely, Carolyn, that is the number one question," you could just see her thinking, "Yes, that's why I ASKED it!"

Clay? No way will you win against Alla. No freakin' way. (I loved Alla's little notes during the meeting, too--somehow, the way she wrote down "WHO IS DARTH VADER?" made me go "Awwww!").

Bassari99

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:19 pm

She consistently played not to lose instead of playing to win, and this time it bit her in the ass.[/quote]
I think you summed it up, nicely, truecrystal. I kind of knew Marshawn was a goner when she interviewed that she was having second thoughts about doing the presentation because if it did not go well, the blame for Excel losing the task would be pinned on her. That seemed to be a very passive way of playing the game.

caseyg

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:19 pm

Did someone pay Marshawn to take a dive this episode...no I'm serious. I find it hard to believe that she would even give Trump a reason to fire her.

I mean...as soon as 'short guy' made them what...30 minutes late for the meeting with the executives, she had to know that his fate was sealed. But noooooooooo, she decides 30 minutes prior NOT to do the presentation!

Um...but what...she thought 'short guy' would be a better presenter...bullish! I simply don't understand this. Even if I did not feel comfortable making the presentation, I would have faked it...I don't understand how a Recent Law School Graduate can't fake being an expert (or something close to it) on a subject! That's basically all you do in law school!

Ugh and I thought that there was finally a black woman on this show that would do something spectacular and get fired for being too educated...or something equally ridiculous. Marshawn deserved to get fired.

The 'short guy'...so glad he went, that's what he gets for doubting Randal last week and apparently he needs Markus' time management workshop.

And I still can't stand Bill...can't stand looking in his face!

On a positive note: Randal and Alla are definitely top two!

amityisland

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:20 pm

Finally a chink in Randal's armor: Wayyyyyy too into Star Wars.[/quote]

Actually, that's a plus in my book:-)

Was kinda cute seeing him go into total nerd mode, though[/quote]

Agreed, I liked "Star Wars According to Randal".
Actually, I'm not surprised that most of them don't know about Star Wars. They're too busy reading Trump's book....with a flashlight under the covers at night....and with a highlighter.

Do you think Adam kept the outfit?

BrytEydBelle

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:20 pm

Another very impressive display from Alla. That woman rocks. I loved Kendra last season, but Alla is even more awesome. Even Bill noticed that she was in charge. I got the impression he wanted to point that out in the boardroom.

Clay was useless, which is suprising, given his forcefulness in the Dairy Queen task.

Loved Marshawn's firing. She seemed (IMHO) to act as though she was above a lot. She'd just sit back and then tear into people, without ever really offering other ideas. And what a bitch in the cab, talking about Brian like he wasn't even there. At least Brian acted like a gentlemen despite her total abandonment during the tas

milkfish

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:20 pm

I am not a Marshawn fan, but I think she might have tried defending herself in the Boardroom by saying that she did not believe in the booth they produced, as she'd said in the interview. If she could say this without the appearance of the dreaded Disloyalty, she would have won a point or two with Trump by going along with what he and the executives had just complained about.

The good thing about this season is that this show actually has some candidates I can root for (unlike some other reality shows on now). Alla looks like she'd give the past winners a run for their jobs if she had the chance. I also like Randall and Rebecca.

Oh dear, more singing next week, twice in one season! Someone's not gonna like that.

Rowr17

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:21 pm

I was messing around on my computer during the cab ride, so I only heard Marshawn talking. I just watched again though and saw that they were in the same cab. Un!Comfortable much?

What is up with DT this season? It's just been one awesome BR and cab ride after another. No wonder TA:M seems so tame in comparison.

AuntieKaren

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:22 pm

"Tell me everything about Star Wars Randal."[/quote]
I also couldn't believe so few people really knew Star Wars. I was half hoping one of the teams would have to rely on the explanations of a slash fan for their presentation. "You see, Obi-Wan and Anakin are in love, and Anakin is torn between Obi-Wan and his pregnant wife Padme. Then Palpatine tries to molest young Anakin, because he's totally jealous of Obi-Wan...."

DeepInTheHeart

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

I really like Alla's drive, but she complains too much. Donald will have a hard time hiring someone who's all about the "But look what I did! See?"[/quote]I have no problem with her taking credit while voting to deny Clay an exemption. It was the appropriate time and opportunity for her not only to take a shot at Clay but also to make her own case.

mbridgii

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

"Tell me everything about Star Wars Randal."[/quote]

That is just so pathetic. I have to admit to only seeing the original "Star Wars" trilogy in the mid-90s, but I knew enough about the series through nothing more than osmosis to have been able to do a passable job at a presentation.

However, missing the opportunity to talk with the executives was such a bonehead move. WTF was with the whole "15 minutes" suggestion? I'm surprised that some of the others didn't just leave earlier on their own accord, but I suppose that would have been "disloyal". Tardiness is such a weak-assed reason for losing a task.

Clay is a real piece of work, isn't he? "It's all about me now. Teamwork is for losers." It doesn't take much to show the ridiculousness of some of these "leaders". No way this guy can lead, and I am glad that he didn't get the exemption. Normally, I would not care for the way Alla kept jumping in with the "and also"s, but since she was the mastermind of it all, I can't argue.

NotTheBox

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:24 pm

Also, as much effort Alla put into the task, I had to stop myself from screaming STFU lady when she said during the photo shoot that Clay was off somewhere hitting on a producer. Dude, just cause a gay man is behaving civilly to another man that hasn't bitched him out doesn't mean the gay guy is flirting with him. I found that comment almost as offensive as Clay's "tight Jew" comment from last w
eek.[/quote]

Totally agree. There were plenty of legitimate reasons to bitch about Clay. That just made her look petty. Which she is.

BubbaGum

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:24 pm

You know, over the last few weeks, everyone's been going on and on about Marshawn's potential, from Trump himself to people on these boards. But she has not proven herself ONCE. Yeah, she knows how to speak publicly. First of all, it's her job. Second of all, so does most of her team. Randall and Rebecca (especially after this task) know how to address an audience. God, even Marcus managed to get the seniors interested! The only thing Marshawn can truly call her own is staying in the shadows until it's time to criticize everyone. She is such a MARCUS!

kmp

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

I can't figure out that if the team knew they needed way more than 15 min to make the meeting, why they didn't say "We need to go NOW". Instead it was the "can't leave before the PM tells us". They were setting him up from the beginning...

I agree with a pp: it's become more about CYA than performing the tasks well. Let's see if they have the priviledge to work on something as big as Star Wars when they go back to their cubicles at home. Maybe they can get a souvenir poster from Best Buy to hang.

truecrystal

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

What is up with DT this season? It's just been one awesome BR and cab ride after another. No wonder TA:M seems so tame in comparison.[/quote]

I think the biggest differenece between the two shows is that the losses on TA:DT have been so yooge. These people aren't just losing; they're going up in flames. And that makes the multiple firings so...satisfying.

sesstr

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:25 pm

Another very impressive display from Alla. That woman rocks. I loved Kendra last season, but Alla is even more awesome.[/quote]

Totally agree with you! Alla has already done much more than Kendra did the whole season. She does have some rough edges, but I relish her direct style and positive attitude.

Quiddler

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

Hee! Apropos of tonight’s Apprentice:

Driving Around Manhattan, You Pay, Under One Traffic Idea

"The idea is to charge drivers for entering the most heavily trafficked parts of Manhattan at the busiest times of the day."

Oh, Brian, would that this plan had been in place when you needed it most.

catrina

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

I'm off the "Rebecca is overrated and has never done anything except argue effectively" train, and would be willing to board the "Hey, maybe she's not so bad pending further review" train.[/quote]

I don't think Rebecca is going to win, but she may get to final 2 because this is at least twice now we've seen her be the "best" person on the team that loses. The Dick's/Baseball task she sold pretty well. I think Trump also likes her "pluck" in the sense that when she does step forward she usually does an okay job.

But I think her problem is going to be that, unlike Randall, she's just a little too intense and not quite a sunny as he is. People want to be on teams with Randall. I actually think Rebecca and Alla are kind of similar in this regard in that they are strangly competant, but can't seem to have a whole package of traits that makes one a winner (like Randall).

Heh...I love that Clay learned exactly the wrong lesson..."I learned that while there's no "I" in teamwork....there is a ME. Because that's what Teamwork is all about, ME!"

That is just so pathetic. I have to admit to only seeing the original "Star Wars" trilogy in the mid-90s, but I knew enough about the series through nothing more than osmosis to have been able to do a passable job at a presentation. [/quote]

I know there's going to be a lot of like "how come someone not know about Star Wars" comments and that's fine. But not everyone does know or care about it passionately. My friend has never seen a single movie, although she can identify the characters, she just doesn't know much about them. Some people probably watched the movie (especially the new ones) once and quickly forgot about them. Plus I'm sure the editors were happy to have an on-camera explaination of the plot of the series.

Flavialynn

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

I’m glad to see Trump firing in batches. Why bother with people who disappoint?

Marshawn, when your team display stinks, you don’t turn up your nose like you’re too good. What a snot.

Brian, I wouldn’t leave at 10:00 if I had to be in the *boardroom* at 10:15, sheesh.

Adam, just when we thought you were the dorkiest dork that ever dorked, you put on a Jedi suit. But I admit it was a nice touch, and surely excited the execs, and that’s what it’s all about.

Fluffy Malone

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

I loved that what Clay learned from Bill during their "reward" was that he should not respect his teammates. That is one overly sensitive, self-absorbed, delusional man. I'm so happy that they denied him an exemption.

Also? What does Felicia do? She doesn't bug as much with Kristi gone but I still can't figure out what she...does.

And how excited do you think Adam was that he got to dress up like a Jedi?

ajesquire

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

"And Excel, your reward is NOT having to spend the day with Rancic in an unfinished building".

Well, I thought the "lesson" about loyalty pretty much foreshadowed Marshawn's firing, but I can't believe she crashed so bad in the boardroom. Her excuse was so bad, she must not have expected to be called on her behavior. "I was happy to present. . . I chose not to present. . . I'm much better than Rebecca . . . I let Rebecca present". Ugh.

luvrhino

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

From the previews, it looks like next week Alla and all get a Clayectomy, which sucks for Randall and Rebecca. I'm not sure how His Royal Hairness going to test business acumen from having the ACWs compose an original song.

I think HRH is a little more trigger happy this season to some extent because of the reviews about last season dragging on forever to the fairly predictable Kendra/Tana showdown. However, a bigger factor is that HRH picked these losers, which makes it offensive to him that they suck so much.

Clay and Rebecca seem the most likely to commit suicide in the Boardroom. Based on the extreme angle at which HRH apparently fires the ACW next week, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens while both teams are in the boardroom. Otherwise, the ACWs tend to sit more towards the center of the table, which wouldn't require enfilading (oblique cobraing?).

Yes, I need a life.

JennaC

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

I am very disappointed in Marshawn and I am off the Rebecca train too. Neither volunteered to lead the project this week. Both women seemed as though they were hoping not to be chosen by hanging their heads low and not making any eye contact with their teammates.

I wish Clay would have been fired too.

Why does one team have to lose so badly? These people are supposed to be accomplished professionals yet none of the competitions have been close.

yadayada

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:28 pm

I just rewatched the cab ride, man after Marshawn stopped speaking, I could have sworn Brian looked like he just got up and found himself in a cab and had no clue how he got there. Regardless, I am glad he didn't find the need to shit all over the person sitting next to him in front of them. Class Marshawn, is something you need to have rather than just fake like you do.

As for her explanations in the boardroom as to why she refused the presentation at the last minute, I think (and I may be proved wrong by the extra footage) there was no way she could have said it was strategy and hence the dilly dallying around the repeated question of why.

Akai

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:28 pm

Adam is planning on wearing his Jedi outfit on his wedding night. He's just hoping his future bride will be willing to be Leia.

Why, when they realized they were stuck in traffic didn't they (except Rebecca) hop out of the cabs, and either run or try to take the subway or a bus to increase their odds of getting there faster? It would be one thing for Rebecca to show up later and late (we're sorry, executives, but one of our team mates is on crutches and had to take a cab, she's hoping to join us ASAP), but if you know you're already running behind ...? When I worked in NYC in the '80s, I *never* used a cab; most of the time I'd speed walk, or if the weather was bad, I'd actually take a bus over the subway, because if the bus gets trapped in traffic, you can jump out and keep walking (obviously not an option when the subway breaks down). By that method, I'd make it at rush hour from Grand Central to my office in the Flatiron Building in about 20-25 minutes. Such fools. It's like they forgot God gave them legs for a reason.

Lead Magnet

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:29 pm

Thoughts:

Jacob: You are referring to Adam in the Luke Skywalker costume? Eek. At least he didn't have the Gilligan hat from the cut Tattooine scene in Ep. IV. :)

There are plenty of fanboys out there. Randal just has the courage to admit it to the entire viewing audience =)

Bill's appearance: I loved it when they were about to leave the construction site and someone finished off his "you have to..." with "step up."

The reward of a day with Bill: I don't really mind the guy, but that wasn't much of reward considering how TA hypes itself. Of course, it could have been a day with Trump himself or... Martha Stewart, eating your breakfast :)

Hard hats are so not Adam or Clay...

Clay pushed for PM and mentioned in the interview the very obvious method of how to knock people off. As far as the editing displays, he did let Alla run the project and then tried to take credit in the end. Which isn't exactly a revolutionary tactic on this show, so his indignance in the boardroom doesn't have much weight.

I still like Alla, and like a previous poster here, Felisha is growing on me a bit also. Randal, of course, still has the best odds.

Not sure what Marshawn had in mind. Brian set himself up for the fall by totally miscalculating Manhattan, but it was a big gamble to dodge her assigned task at the last moment to see if Rebecca would screw it up...

SmedIndy

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:31 pm

One thing about Marshawn, she tried to go out with a fight. Carolyn and Bill saw through her prepared text, but at least she tried. Brian just rolled over and played dead. Woof!

droolface

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:30 pm

Marshawn (and the rest of the team for that matter) were so befuddled that they didn't realize it was a weak display, and that the presentation is safer with a ho-hum effort. As Randal said, it was a great concept but poorly executed. This task was going to be won on product.

The double cobra surprised me. Marshawn's backout was egregious, but the late arrival and poor planning were all Brian's. People who have backed out like Marshawn have been spared before in the presence of poor leadership, but DT is definitley fire-happy now, which makes NBC ratings-happy from viewers who are shock-happy.

Rebecca sans Toral is growing on me. (Okay, I've always thought she was cute). Final Four: Rebecca, Randall, Alla, and Felisha. Let's face it, the last boardroom pretty much dusted Adam and Clay.

ajesquire

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:31 pm

Boy, Brian couldn't even "step up" in the cab ride.

But, then, I think Marshawn's rant was alitte inappropriate to be ripping the guy she's sitting next to when she just basically committed suicide in the boardroom.

mbridgii

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:30 pm

how excited do you think Adam was that he got to dress up like a Jedi?[/quote]
I think that was almost the dream of a lifetime. Well, next to, someday, getting some... experience.

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