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Imaginary Foe
Ok, there are a lot of reasons not to just hop into bed with someone on the first day you met them. One of the most obvious would be getting some dreaded disease. Another, of course, is that they will totally mess up your life in some way. Setting aside the possiblity that they could go all Fatal Attraction on you, it is entirely possible the person is married. That is one of those little facts that should come up in the "getting to know you" stage of the relationship. At the very latest, it should come up by the second date. To wait two months in the relationship and have the spouse show up unannounced is relationship suicide.

Or at least it should be. This is the situation that Meredith faces and that everyone has been waiting see. Top it off with a pregnant best friend and a bartender needing a resurrection stat, and you have one of the best second season openers to hit the Western seabord in some time.

Having the chief laid up from the brain surgery seems a lit bit of a stretch. It did give Burke a chance to shine as the interim, however, It also gave him a chance to blow it with Cristina. Somehow, the worse it gets, the better it gets.

And quote of the episode:
"You all nasty. That's how you got syphillis." - Dr. Bailey
jewlmc
OMG! I just saw the George/Alex hug at the end. How cute!

I loved Addison telling off that woman. I think it shows she's not one dimensional.
Rant
My George love just grew and grew after watching this episode; his reaction to the chief's request ("I'm an investigative sponge?") cracked me up to no end. T.R. Knight does great reaction shots, but I was disappointed to see that George's Meredithcrush went back so far. He really should have gotten over it by now (as of episode 9), especially since she's never been any less wrapped up in McDreamy.

"Sponge duty sucks...damn it, I'm a bad sponge."

"I'm an evil ex-mistress." .Meredith
"Still, you look nice." .George

OK, I give in. I've got a Georgecrush myself. He's just got such a good heart, y'all!
jewlmc
I loved Burke in this episode. "I don't have a story, I just wanted to hear yours." HA!
themightylaur
Rewatching this episode was great. I managed to notice and appreciate different things from the first time around - mostly notably, I enjoyed Christina's whispered "Bastard" to McDreamy as George, Izzie, and her each tried to get in his way after he went after Meh.

It's funny how Addison's changed since she first came onto the scene. Her first scenes were just uber-bitch, the evil close-lipped smile. But now? Nothing. I almost forgot she started out like this.
Lyssanick
Watching this episode made me realize how much, again, I love this show. And this episode especially. God, could they have packed more into an hour(that sounded vaguely Chandler Bing...)
Anyways, this always makes me go "aw"
Cristina: You know this constitutes hugging.
Mer: Shut up. I'm your person.
EvilSpawn

It's funny how Addison's changed since she first came onto the scene. Her first scenes were just uber-bitch, the evil close-lipped smile. But now? Nothing. I almost forgot she started out like this. [/quote]

I completely miss this Addison. She was such an awesome bad ass.
Swipsey32

To wait two months in the relationship and have the spouse show up unannounced is relationship suicide.[/quote]

I agree. My biggest pet peeve from Season 2 so far, is how quickly Meredith forgave Derek for this terrible, terrible ommison of truth. I get that she is supposed to be madly in love with him and all that, but still...


I completely miss this Addison. She was such an awesome bad ass.[/quote]

I agree. Sometimes for me, I think that its just tedious having 5 awesome,ballsy characters that we have to root for coz they are empowered snarky, ballsy etc. Why can't we have at least one character that we love to hate ? Addison fits the bill for me, just perfectly.
Meggs
I love this show and am so glad they re-ran an episode to fill the gap between new episodes - especially since I only caught the last 10 minutes of the original airing.
Normally, I love Burke, but he was kind of a jerk this episode - demanding Christina figure out what was going on between them and then breaking up with her.
Loved the George/Alex hug and the Mer/Christina hug. Hugs all around!
lindah

To wait two months in the relationship and have the spouse show up unannounced is relationship suicide. [/quote]

This is the reason I don't forgive McDreamy. He left out crucial information to someone he now claims to love. And I'm not even sure why. Meh jumped into bed with him after meeting at a bar, so it looks as if the possibility that he could have been married may was not important enough for her to find out about. But once they started getting serious, McD owed her the truth. After all, maybe she didn't want to be his mistress, but by not telling her the truth, he took the choice away from her.

I actually liked Addison this episode. She didn't come to get McD back, she came for a job. And I she seems to be pretty upfront. She didn't have to tell off the patient, she could have allowed her to think Meh was a slut. She really didn't have to tell the patient the truth in front of Meh. She let her husband's mistress know that Addison had screwed up the marriage. That makes here a far more honest person than Mr. Passive-Aggressive McDreamy.
ParadiseFound

I completely miss this Addison. She was such an awesome bad ass.[/quote]

EvilSpawn, count me in as well. As much as I *hated* her in the beginning, I have to admit, she was a total bad ass and FUN as hell to hate. In the matter of 13 episodes, they've managed to turn her into this whiny, doormat... that makes me sad.

I love the part when she talks about having a crush on Russell Crowe to McD in the beginning. That part really stuck out in my mind after finding out that she cheated on McD, as making her a real witch. After doing what she did, how could she even joke about having a crush on another man??? I know it was "tonuge-in-cheek, but just in really bad taste... IMO.

Here's the dialog, this is probably one of my most favorite scenes in the whole series so far:


Derek: Addison, what are you doing here?
Addison: Your hair is different.
Derek: A lot of things are different.
Addison: You’re hair is different, it’s longer… very Russell Crowe
Derek:  What are you doing here?
Addison: What are you doing here?  You just pick up and leave everything? You house your practice, your friends?  You had a life in Manhattan.
Derek: Had.
Addison:  And now you have a girlfriend in Seattle.  She seems sweet.
Derek:  The ice your on… thin.
Addison: She’s young.  That whole wide eyed, ohh he’s a brain surgeon thng happening, but still sweet, which is exactly what you were going for, the “Anti-Addison”.
Derek:  If you came out here to try to win me back… you can forget about it.
Addison:  I did.  I flew all the way across the country to reminisce over wedding photos, get drunk, fall into bed and make you realize you can’t live without me.
Relax Derek, I’m here for work.  I’m helping with the TTS case you guys admitted last week… and from Richard’s briefing…
Derek: Richard knew you were coming out here?
Addison: He asked me to.  Didn’t he tell you?
Derek:  No, he didn’t.
Addison: Oh, surprise… The hair though, you know I’ve always had a thing for Russell Crowe.[/quote]
Unusual Suspect
I only caught parts of this episode, but I loved that exchange between Addison and Derek. Well, to be honest, I kinda love Addison, she's pretty badass. No Bailey, but close.
American Snob
I started watching last week with the awesome Christmas episode but I have to say last night's rerun was pretty good as well. A few touching parts at the end between George and Alex & Cristina and Burke. I thought it was funny when Bailey said she was McDreamy since Burke is curious who it is. I will definitely be watching again next week!
MelineB13

And quote of the episode:
"You all nasty. That's how you got syphillis." - Dr. Bailey[/quote]Hell, that may be the quote of the season.

I too liked this Addison and miss her a great deal. The woman who not only had the balls to set the truth straight with that bitchy patient but to do it in the smackdown style she did while admitting Meh had class is not the same woman who was following her husband around begging him to be happy and pick presents with her.

Apparently, the McDreamy sex causes strong willed women everywhere to become puddles of spineless, mindless gooh.
flux
Bah, Addison's evil vibe has long since disappeared. I wonder what she meant with the Russell Crowe thing. It was so random, kinda like that sex talk, it just came out of nowhere. She wasn't racked with guilt, she was really mean to McD considering she cheated on him and he ran away to avoid her. This episode remains me of why I still detest her.
EvilSpawn
I forgot how much this episode ruins the case for those who believe that Addison went to Seattle to win back McD. She did it for work, and she stayed in Seattle because she wa going to get more press and money than god. McDreamy had very little to do with any of this.
abcddee
With all due respect to the late John Ritter, that spit-take by TR Knight in the opening sequence was one of the funniest things I've seen, and I'm not usually a fan of such broad physical comedy.

Still don't quite understand what George did to help Joe out--is Joe getting paid by a research organization that studies people who have died and then been brought back to life?
MelMelW
I don't think Joe is getting paid, per se, I think George found a clinical trial of some kind that is studying this procedure. When you sign up for those kinds of things, they typically pay the cost of whatever it is they're studying. In this case, I would guess they're covering the cost of the procedure, so Joe doesn't have to pay the $100k+ himself.
Mitch0046
You know the part I don't get? What, exactly is Mer going for? Derek gives her this incredible speech equating her with BREATHING, and she says, "It's not enough." and leaves. What does she want??
smoothcriminal
I still say Meredith should have taken him back right then and there. The whole not enough thing kicked her in the ass later.

Ah good old Addison, I miss my bitch, I hated her, but I loved it. Now she's all gushy. Maybe she should have out with Christina more.
EvilSpawn
Personally, I would have jumped McD after the speech, and then after his hotness cooled off, take some time to figure things out. I mean, his wife did just show up. That deserves some serious angry time.
smoothcriminal
I know, I can't believe she was able to walk away like that. It is scenes like that, that make me wonder how people can see Meredith as weak and pathetic.
Mitch0046

I know, I can't believe she was able to walk away like that. It is scenes like that, that make me wonder how people can Meredith as weak and pathetic.[/quote]

I am so not romantic, but DAYUM, would I have fallen for that speech. And those eyes. Mmmmm.

THEN I'd get mad. Later. Quite a bit later.
Swipsey32

I know, I can't believe she was able to walk away like that. It is scenes like that, that make me wonder how people can see Meredith as weak and pathetic.[/quote]

Yeah. I agree. That took serious balls. I am a newbie here. I have lurked a lot, I rarely post, but I do read everything. If memory serves me right, that episode is pretty much the only one so far where dang near everybody here at TWOP, was patting Meredith on the back for the way she handled that scene. Usually it 50/50 for and against her, isn't it ?

Maybe why she left Derek at the trailer after his drowning speech was because it was too vague. It sounded pretty and poetic, but it lacked the in-your-face, black and whiteness of a declaration along the lines of him telling her he loved her, or something more concrete like that.
Mitch0046

Maybe why she left Derek at the trailer after his drowning speech was because it was too vague. It sounded pretty and poetic, but it lacked the in-your-face, black and whiteness of a declaration along the lines of him telling her he loved her, or something more concrete like that.[/quote]

You could be right, but she'd asked, "What was I to you? A one-night stand? Revenge? What?" That's all paraphrased, but close. They hadn't broken up yet, he was telling her about why he left NY, and had every reason to expect Mer to stay with him. I understood her to be asking what she was to him when they met.

But she wants more. Like what? If you're right, and she wants a declaration of love, why not just say so? Why just announce "it's not enough", get in her car and leave without giving him a chance to find out why?

And could she BE more hypocritical? What was he to her when they met, after all. He got the shower speech. Was that supposed to be enough?
loudninjette

I know, I can't believe she was able to walk away like that. It is scenes like that, that make me wonder how people can Meredith as weak and pathetic.[/quote]

The very first episode I watched was the one with the "Choose Me" speech. THAT is how I can see her as weak and pathetic. If I make a comment about liking something Mere did in later eps, my husband jokingly says "Love me" in that baby-waby voice to remind me of the hate.

If I had seen this episode first, or maybe some first season stuff, I might have had a chance of liking Mere.

This episode was jam packed full of stuff. I still wish they had gone a little more into technical with Joe. George said he had syph in the bar, but what the hell was going on? The heart stoppage, the hypothermia, the blood draining, technically dead, the grant? HUH?
smoothcriminal
I thought the pick me speech, was another example of her not being weak. That is balls to the wall right there. You won't find too many people who actually put there shit on the line like that.

But I've beaten that horse to death over and over in the old thread.
RaymeS
I'm confused about why Addison should get points for cleaning up the very mess she made. She's the one who gave the patient the impression that Meredith had broken up her marriage (& caused the patient undue stress, even if it was unwitting). She damn well should have the guts to say that none of it was Meredith's fault. But she did more than that--she was a bitch to a woman she knew hadn't done anything to her (that was Derek's sin, not Meredith's), & what has she ever done besides try to make things worse for Meredith? I've missed some parts of episodes, so maybe there's something I don't know about...?
EvilSpawn

And could she BE more hypocritical? What was he to her when they met, after all. He got the shower speech. Was that supposed to be enough?[/quote]

As one night stands go, yes, that was supposed to be enough. If he hadn't pursued Meredith after their ONS, would Meredith cared if he had a wife from whom he was separated ? I don't think so. But he pursued her very very hard, and that changed things. She ended up falling in love with him, and that's where her confusion is coming from. She was thinking along the lines of, "why would you pursue me if I was just a way of paying back your wife?"

So in short, no, I do not believe that Meredith is being a hypocrite here.


But she wants more. Like what? If you're right, and she wants a declaration of love, why not just say so? Why just announce "it's not enough", get in her car and leave without giving him a chance to find out why?[/quote]

I have learned that alot of the things that don't make sense on this show or things that make the characters look like morons are due to bad writing or the director going for a special effect. Meredith getting in her car and leaving after she said, "It's not enough" was a great effect and end to a scene. However, it left a bad taste in alot of our mouths. They wanted her to look like a bad ass for leaving this guy after his great speech, only to have her go crawling back to him 2 episodes later. I say they should have just cut out the middle man and let her go back to him there. But, the writer's ultimate goal was to give McD that time to consider being with Addison again. In the process, they make Meredith look really dumb.
tvnut
You know, the "coming up for fresh air... it's like I was drowning and you saved me" line may have been swoonworthy, but I agree with Meredith, it WASN'T enough. It still doesn't explain why he didn't tell her that he was married. McD feigning poetic about Meredith doesn't change the fact that he had months to tell her of his situation and chose not to. Besides, no one likes being compared to a safe harbor for someone during a storm. That's hardly a "I chose you because you were special." It almost makes it sound as if he's saying, I needed someone ANYONE and there you were.

This episode summed up for me why I can't feel any sympathy for Addison no matter how horrible McD has or will treat her in the future. For someone who slept with her husband's best friend and broke her vows, she sure lacks remorse. It's as if she's saying, "So what I slept with your best friend. It happened, I'm sorry, now get over it."
Swipsey32

It still doesn't explain why he didn't tell her that he was married.[/quote]

Maybe the writers are presuming we have figured out for ourselves that he didn't tell her he was married, because he was afraid of her breaking up with him, and losing the only good and decent thing that he has in his life these days. It might he so glaringly obvious to them that they couldn't be bothered writing a scene, actually depicting it. I wish they wouldn't do that. We need to see it actually played out. I do, at least.
tvnut

Maybe the writers are presuming we have figured out for ourselves that he didn't tell her he was married, because he was afraid of her breaking up with him, and losing the only good and decent thing that he has in his life these days. It might he so glaringly obvious to them that they couldn't be bothered writing a scene, actually depicting it. I wish they wouldn't do that. We need to see it actually played out. I do, at least.[/quote]

See, for me, whether the writers said it explicitly or not wouldn't have made any difference. Without the writers indicating otherwise, all we are left to think of why Derek didn't tell Meredith is all that you have stated above and that's what makes it worse. That's not an excuse to not tell someone something that could affect their life. That excuse is all about HIM and what he needs, not her or her needs. It was selfish and cruel of him. Seriously, there is no excuse for him not telling her about his marital status IMO.
Swipsey32

It was selfish and cruel of him. Seriously, there is no excuse for him not telling her about his marital status IMO.[/quote]

It was indeed a very, very stupid thing for him to do. But I stop short of calling it intentionally cruel. The only arguement I will offer in his defence is that that he just wasn't thinking straight when he met and began dating Meredith. He had just been dealt an incredibly painful body blow by his wife and his best friend. His head and his heart just aren't functioning properly, due to their betrayal, hence his inability or unwillingness to be honest with Meredith. His head is majorly messed up.

That I guess is why I dislike Addison so much. It is not her in particular I dislike. It is the domino effects that her actions have on the thought processes and actions of the innocent victims that she hurts.

After the Savvy/Weiss episode aired, a lot of people here had issues with Savvy making her radical mastectomy/hysterectomy decision, so soon after her mother had died. They questioned her ability to make such a huge, life changing decision while she was still in her period of mouring for her mother. I would put Derek in the same category as Savvy. He was an emotional cripple when he met Meredith. He just didn't have the smarts to realise it, and leave her alone until he got his head together. He is the victim here, IMHO. Poor guy.
tvnut
Whether the Derek's cruelty was intentional or not doesn't make it any less hurtful. I don't think anyone would question that Derek was dealt a heavy blow by Addison's thoughtless and excessively CRUEL actions. However, that doesn't excuse his actions. Derek and Meredith's one night stand was just that. Neither had any expectations of the other; Derek didn't tell Meredith about being married and she didn't ask. But when that ONS moved to something else Derek had an obligation to be truthful. I'm sure it couldn't have been easy. How do you tell someone you are starting to care about that you haven't been totally honest with them and that you are actually married? I'm sure he was afraid of losing her, but that's not an excuse not to tell her. He owed it to her. What Addison did to Derek was horrendous, but that doesn't excuse his actions to Meredith IMO.
amikaro
I agree, that it was cruel that Derek wasn't honest with Meredith. But I think he was just being a coward, trying to start a new life and pretending to himself that the old life didn't exist. I'm guessing he was secretly hoping he would never have to deal with his wife and that mess of a marriage. It's like that episode in season 1 where a woman has a giant tumor that had been growing for forever. Eventhough deep down she knew she should go see a doctor she closed her eyes and hoped it would simply go away. I think a lot of people do that in a lot of situations in life. Sometimes it's just too hard to face something and I guess McDreamy knew, that if he told Meredith about Addison he would have to deal with her (Addison) one way or the other.
tvnut
I'm not saying that I don't get WHY he did it, just that that still doesn't make his actions excusable or even forgivable (not yet, anyway :)). It doesn't make him some sadist who preys on innocent victims, but it doesn't make him blameless in the situation either. Whether he wanted to face it or not, he knew what he was doing and knowing the likely consequences of his own actions, he chose to do them anyway. He is finally starting to make some stride in becoming forgiven (at least by me) by finally being honest with himself and those around him as of the last new episode 2.10, but he still has ways to go IMO.
deaja
Okay, finally saw this episode! And it was awesome!

I loved Alex's interactions with Joe. The tab part was really funny.

Hate, hate, hate Addison more than ever after this episode. She is so cold-hearted it's not even funny. They really shifted her personality by the end of the season.

The strangest part of this episode is that I actually liked George! The way he covered Mer with the umbrella, was a leaky sponge, found a way to get Joe covered....... he was kind of bumbling still, but it was a cute bumbling.

Was Burke breaking up with Christina or ordering lunch..... I really couldn't tell by his tone and emotions. :)
GreyGirl24
Was Burke breaking up with Christina or ordering lunch..... I really couldn't tell by his tone and emotions. :)


That is the quote of the day, deaja. You know you have problems when people can't tell if you're ordering a meal or ending a relationship :)

I didn't rewatch this ep last night so I can't be 100 percent certain, but I do believe he broke up with her.
BondGirl74
Having just now gotten *slightly* up to speed thanks to Lifetime's airing of the S1 and S2 episodes on Sunday evenings, I have to say that I loved this episode. And damn it if I haven't gotten through ONE Greys Anatomy episode without crying at the end!! Anyway- I loved Bailey's "I am McDreamy" line. Also, when Burke said "I don't have a story, I just wanted to hear yours". I thought for sure at one point he was going to refer to Derek AS McDreamy. I think George's timing is so great, he does that quick, stammery-type comedy like no other. (I mean that in a great way!) He just always seems like he's tripping over his shoelaces or something.

With regard to Burke and Cristina- I think he gave Cristina all the opportunity in the world to either say she wanted to be with him, or that she didn't want him to break up with her- but it's Cristina's way- oftentimes, she just won't speak up. It's her stubbornness I think. But after watching a lot of interaction between the 2 of them, I have realized that through it all, I think Burke is "amused" by her. I see it in the slightest little smile he's got on his face when they are together.

Addison and Meredith- I loved the scene with them and the patient. Where the patient is laying into Meredith "how could you do that", and Addison steps it up and basically (can't remember the exact words) says that Meredith is the one who was scorned. Or something like that. That's how I interpreted it, anyway. I liked when she said she didn't have "the class or the patience" that Meredith had.
amorphous
I was watching that episode again, I don't realize how Addison turned from that cold hearted bitch to a really sweet person who had her moment of weakness and mistakes and that's it. Derek is indeed McDreamy, he lives somewhere else where he thinks he can shut out the world if he wanted to. The victim is Meredith, but Derek isn't evil either, he was the victim of Addison's betrayal with Mark, and he ended up hurting Meredith who hurt George in return. It's a vicious circle.

After that speech it was really cruel to leave like that, because I suppose it hasn't been long since what Addison did, and it's hard to start a relationship, it's hard to admit what you feel, it's hard to feel vulnerable in front of somebody else, who could just take advantage and hurt you again.
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